History Main / WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency

7th Jun '18 2:28:53 PM RainbowPhoenix
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** The Templar Order often borders on this, given that their primary function is to kidnap mage children and take them to live in mage towers as heavily guarded prisoners for the rest of their lives, where horrific abuses are ''frequently'' inflicted. But hey, at least they don't slaughter mage children in the crib ([[SociopathicSoldier usually]]), or cut out their tongues and use magic rods to render them PeoplePuppets like those [[AntiMagicalFaction Qunari]].

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** The Templar Order often borders on this, given that their primary function is to kidnap mage children and take them to live in mage towers as heavily guarded prisoners for the rest of their lives, where horrific abuses are ''frequently'' inflicted. But hey, at least they don't slaughter mage children in the crib ([[SociopathicSoldier usually]]), or cut out their tongues and use magic rods to render them PeoplePuppets like those [[AntiMagicalFaction Qunari]]. In the aftermath of the [[MisplacedRetribution the Annulment of the Gallows]], the Templars' complete inability to consider the idea that the mages might actually have a legitimate reason to be upset is what caused the situation to degenerate into open war.
29th May '18 9:20:29 PM darkemyst
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* In ''ComicBook/RedRobin'' Damian complains that Tim and [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick]], though mostly Tim, don't give him enough credit and trust for turning on his training and upbringing by the League of Assassins as a {{Tykebomb}}, joining his father's crusade and working hard to curb his more murderous impulses despite the fact that he hasn't stopped sabotaging Tim's equipment in ways that could kill him.
16th May '18 8:32:59 AM Jables8
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* ''Manga/YuGiOh'': During the Battle City tournament, Jonouchi is in danger from Marik, the arc villain. Kaiba finds him using technology and expects thanks from Yugi for his help. There's only one issue with this -- Kaiba is the overseer of the tournament, and therefore responsible for the safety of every contestant, so he should have wanted to find Jonouchi anyway regardless of his dislike for him.

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* ''Manga/YuGiOh'': During the Battle City tournament, Jonouchi Joey is in danger from Marik, the arc villain. Kaiba finds him using technology and expects thanks from Yugi for his help. There's only one issue with this -- Kaiba is the overseer of the tournament, and therefore responsible for the safety of every contestant, so he should have wanted to find Jonouchi Joey anyway regardless of his dislike for him.
27th Apr '18 10:16:25 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/TheHeartstrikers'': Inverted. Julius is the first nice dragon anyone has ever heard of, and has lived his entire life being told that VirtueIsWeakness and being threatened by his much more powerful family members. He is therefore pathetically grateful for even the simplest of kindnesses. In the first book, he is on Cloud 9 after getting a simple thank you--it's apparently the first time someone has ''ever'' thanked him, at least in person. In the [[Literature/NoGoodDragonGoesUnpunished third book]], as Julius is trying to reformat his clan into a democracy, all his siblings are trying to kill him and blaming him for making the clan confused and weak at a critical moment. When Julius mentions to a general from the UN that the clan is too much of a mess right now to help her. She is very impressed to hear his plans to turn his clan into a democracy, and tells him to take all the time he needs. Julius nearly hugs her on the spot.

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* ''Literature/TheHeartstrikers'': Inverted. Julius is the first nice dragon anyone has ever heard of, and has lived his entire life being told that VirtueIsWeakness and being threatened by his much more powerful family members. He is therefore pathetically grateful for even the simplest of kindnesses. In the first book, he is on Cloud 9 after getting a simple thank you--it's apparently the first time someone has ''ever'' thanked him, at least in person. In the [[Literature/NoGoodDragonGoesUnpunished third book]], as Julius is trying to reformat his clan into a democracy, all his siblings are trying to kill him and blaming him for making the clan confused and weak at a critical moment. When Julius mentions to a general from the UN that the clan is too much of a mess right now to help her. She her, she is very impressed to hear his plans to turn his clan into a democracy, and tells him to take all the time he needs. Julius nearly hugs her on the spot.
27th Apr '18 3:57:40 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/TheHeartstrikers'': Inverted. Julius is the first nice dragon anyone has ever heard of, and has lived his entire life being told that VirtueIsAWeakness and being threatened by his much more powerful family members. He is therefore pathetically grateful for even the simplest of kindnesses. In the first book, he is on Cloud 9 after getting a simple thank you--it's apparently the first time someone has ''ever'' thanked him, at least in person. In the [[Literature/NoGoodDragonGoesUnpunished third book]], as Julius is trying to reformat his clan into a democracy, all his siblings are trying to kill him and blaming him for making the clan confused and weak at a critical moment. When Julius mentions to a general from the UN that the clan is too much of a mess right now to help her. She is very impressed to hear his plans to turn his clan into a democracy, and tells him to take all the time he needs. Julius nearly hugs her on the spot.

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* ''Literature/TheHeartstrikers'': Inverted. Julius is the first nice dragon anyone has ever heard of, and has lived his entire life being told that VirtueIsAWeakness VirtueIsWeakness and being threatened by his much more powerful family members. He is therefore pathetically grateful for even the simplest of kindnesses. In the first book, he is on Cloud 9 after getting a simple thank you--it's apparently the first time someone has ''ever'' thanked him, at least in person. In the [[Literature/NoGoodDragonGoesUnpunished third book]], as Julius is trying to reformat his clan into a democracy, all his siblings are trying to kill him and blaming him for making the clan confused and weak at a critical moment. When Julius mentions to a general from the UN that the clan is too much of a mess right now to help her. She is very impressed to hear his plans to turn his clan into a democracy, and tells him to take all the time he needs. Julius nearly hugs her on the spot.
27th Apr '18 3:57:02 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/TheHeartstrikers'': Inverted. Julius is the first nice dragon anyone has ever heard of, and has lived his entire life being told that VirtueIsAWeakness and being threatened by his much more powerful family members. He is therefore pathetically grateful for even the simplest of kindnesses. In the first book, he is on Cloud 9 after getting a simple thank you--it's apparently the first time someone has ''ever'' thanked him, at least in person. In the [[Literature/NoGoodDragonGoesUnpunished third book]], as Julius is trying to reformat his clan into a democracy, all his siblings are trying to kill him and blaming him for making the clan confused and weak at a critical moment. When Julius mentions to a general from the UN that the clan is too much of a mess right now to help her. She is very impressed to hear his plans to turn his clan into a democracy, and tells him to take all the time he needs. Julius nearly hugs her on the spot.
17th Apr '18 2:38:59 AM Diask
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Bob just [[HobbesWasRight isn't good by default]]. Where some people cleave to good behavior more or less naturally, Bob does not, either through being a {{Jerkass}} or an outright villain. He needs to be pushed and prodded -- by himself and others -- into being a decent person, and because this process is a struggle for him and because his good behavior is above and beyond how he might be acting otherwise, he believes he deserves exceptional acknowledgement for his efforts.

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Bob Some people just [[HobbesWasRight isn't aren't good by default]]. Where some most people cleave to good behavior more or less naturally, Bob this one does not, either through being a {{Jerkass}} or an outright villain. He needs They need to be pushed and prodded -- by himself themselves and others -- into being a decent person, and because this process is a struggle for him them and because his their good behavior is above and beyond how he they might be acting otherwise, he believes he deserves they believe they deserve exceptional acknowledgement for his their efforts.



TruthInTelevision, this is a common excuse used by many real life domestic abusers. "Yes, I horribly mistreated my son, but I also gave him a roof over his head and fed him. He should be grateful!" This is also the mentality behind "virtue signaling", or loudly and publicly moral grandstanding in a way that makes it clear that the speaker views those attitudes as a ticket to personal gain.

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TruthInTelevision, this is a common excuse used by many real life domestic abusers.{{domestic abuse}}rs. "Yes, I horribly mistreated my son, but I also gave him a roof over his head and fed him. He should be grateful!" This is also the mentality behind "virtue signaling", or loudly and publicly moral grandstanding in a way that makes it clear that the speaker views those attitudes as a ticket to personal gain.



* In ''Film/{{Seven}}'', John Doe at one point tells Mills that the latter should be grateful that the former, a SerialKiller who claims to be TheScourgeOfGod, has only knocked him out during his chase instead of killing him outright. How generous of him.

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* In ''Film/{{Seven}}'', ''Film/Se7en'', John Doe at one point tells Mills that the latter should be grateful that the former, a SerialKiller who claims to be TheScourgeOfGod, [[TheScourgeOfGod arranges "poetic" deaths for other people]], has only knocked him out during his chase instead of killing him outright. How generous of him.



* One episode of ''Series/{{Lucifer|2016}}'' ends with Det. Decker drunkenly throwing herself at Lucifer after thinking that her ex-husband was leaving her and Trixie for good (he'd actually been kidnapped.) Lucifer is too freaked out to take advantage of her, and instead lets her sleep it off at his place. The very next episode has him crowing about how good he is just because he didn't take advantage of Chloe. Of course, this ''is'' the literal Devil we're discussing here, so his standards of "basic decency" are arguably somewhat skewed to begin with.

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* One episode of ''Series/{{Lucifer|2016}}'' ''Series/Lucifer2016'' ends with Det. Decker drunkenly throwing herself at Lucifer after thinking that her ex-husband was leaving her and Trixie for good (he'd actually been kidnapped.) Lucifer is too freaked out to take advantage of her, and instead lets her sleep it off at his place. The very next episode has him crowing about how good he is just because he didn't take advantage of Chloe. Of course, this ''is'' the literal Devil we're discussing here, so his standards of "basic decency" are arguably somewhat skewed to begin with.



* The ''[[{{Splat}} Book of Exalted Deeds]]'' from ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' [[DiscussedTrope discusses]] this when talking about what it is like to be truly "[[CharacterAlignment good]]", saying that one who cites all the evil things they have '''not''' done is at best neutral rather than an active force of good.

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* The ''[[{{Splat}} Book of Exalted Deeds]]'' from ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' [[DiscussedTrope discusses]] {{discusse|dTrope}}s this when talking about what it is like to be truly "[[CharacterAlignment good]]", saying that one who cites all the evil things they have '''not''' done is at best neutral rather than an active force of good.



** [[TheChurch The Chantry's]] attitude toward [[EnslavedElves elves]]. A few centuries ago frictions between elves and humans eventually broke out into open war, which ended with the humans conquering and destroying the elven homeland. [[EnslavedElves Again]]. As [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_City_Elves the Chantry often boasts]], they ''could have'' slaughtered every elf down to the last man, woman, and child, but instead showed "mercy" by allowing the elves to live in {{fantastic ghetto}}s as second-class citizens, as long as the elves capitulated to human religion and law. Most modern Chantry priests and scholars can't understand why those uppity elves would be so ''ungrateful'' after all the ''mercy'' humans showed them.

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** [[TheChurch The Chantry's]] {{The Ch|urch}}antry's attitude toward [[EnslavedElves elves]].{{e|nslavedElves}}lves. A few centuries ago frictions between elves and humans eventually broke out into open war, which ended with the humans conquering and destroying the elven homeland. [[EnslavedElves Again]]. As [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_City_Elves the Chantry often boasts]], they ''could have'' slaughtered every elf down to the last man, woman, and child, but instead showed "mercy" by allowing the elves to live in {{fantastic ghetto}}s as second-class citizens, as long as the elves capitulated to human religion and law. Most modern Chantry priests and scholars can't understand why those uppity elves would be so ''ungrateful'' after all the ''mercy'' humans showed them.



* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda: Annea, an angara hording water on Elaaden, will retort when confronted with this fact that she ''allowed'' the krogan, who left the Initiative in anger at their shabby treatment, to establish a colony. Ryder retorts that it shouldn't be her choice as to who gets to live there.

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* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda: In ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'', Annea, an angara hording water on Elaaden, will retort when confronted with this fact that she ''allowed'' the krogan, who left the Initiative in anger at their shabby treatment, to establish a colony. Ryder retorts that it shouldn't be her choice as to who gets to live there.
5th Apr '18 11:47:23 AM Owlorange1995
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--> '''Daenerys:''' [[LameComeback Your life!]]
4th Apr '18 3:36:22 PM bitemytail
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* In a Thanksgiving episode of ''Series/MalcolmInTheMiddle'', Malcolm goes into a huge drunken rant about how he was [[AboveTheInfluence too nice a guy to sleep with a girl who was barely conscious when she came on to him.]] His family are unimpressed.

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* In a Thanksgiving episode of ''Series/MalcolmInTheMiddle'', Malcolm goes into a huge drunken rant about how he was [[AboveTheInfluence too nice a guy to sleep with a girl who was barely conscious when she came on to him.]] His family are is unimpressed.
18th Mar '18 9:18:35 AM gb00393
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* In [[Recap/GameOfThronesS3E10Mhysa the final episode of season three]] of ''Series/GameOfThrones'', Tywin Lannister angrily refers to his act of not drowning his ''infant son'' but instead raising him and acknowledging him as such as an example of how he makes personal sacrifices for the good of his family. Tyrion is so horrified by the declaration that he fails to make the slightest retort... a very rare moment for him. Especially as ''he'' was the infant in question. The realization that his father despises him with every fiber of his being and the only reason he's still alive is because his father couldn't find a way to ''legally'' kill him is the turning point of his life to that point - [[spoiler:which ultimately leads Tyrion to kill Tywin after he declares Tyrion guilty of Joffrey's murder]].

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
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In [[Recap/GameOfThronesS3E10Mhysa the final episode of season three]] of ''Series/GameOfThrones'', three]], Tywin Lannister angrily refers to his act of not drowning his ''infant son'' but instead raising him and acknowledging him as such as an example of how he makes personal sacrifices for the good of his family. Tyrion is so horrified by the declaration that he fails to make the slightest retort... a very rare moment for him. Especially as ''he'' was the infant in question. The realization that his father despises him with every fiber of his being and the only reason he's still alive is because his father couldn't find a way to ''legally'' kill him is the turning point of his life to that point - [[spoiler:which ultimately leads Tyrion to kill Tywin after he declares Tyrion guilty of Joffrey's murder]].murder]].
** Daenerys, according to Mirri Maz Duur:
--> '''Daenerys:''' I spoke for you. ''I saved you''.
--> '''Mirri Maz Duur:''' Saved me? Three of those riders had already raped me before you saved me, girl. I saw my god's house burn. There, where I had healed men and women beyond counting. In the streets I saw piles of heads. The head of a baker, who makes my bread. The head of a young boy, that I had cured of a fever just three moons past. So, tell me again exactly what it was that you saved...?
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