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22nd Sep '17 11:10:32 AM Kelothan
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* ''Anime/DragonballGT'': The Shadow Dragons were supposed to have been generated by overuse of the Dragonballs. They absorbed negative energy with every wish granted, but would release that energy gradually over time, something they couldn't do once Bulma's Dragon Radar made them easy to find and events of the show necessitated use far more frequent than intended. But then it's made clear this specifically applied to the use of ''Earth's'' Dragonballs. Earth's original Dragonballs went inert when Piccolo and Kami re-fused and the current ones were recreated by Dende from the originals, yet Dende didn't notice the negative energy when he remade them? Then there's the {{Neglectful Precursor|s}} factor of keeping such a major drawback to the Dragonballs' use a secret. For that matter, how did the Kais know about the Shadow Dragons, but the Namekians - the race who created the Dragonballs - apparently ''didn't?''
* In ''Anime/YuGiOh'', the manga villain "The Ventriloquist of the Dead" is replaced with "The Imitator of Death", who disguises himself as Seto Kaiba's ghost. In the uncut version, it's left ambiguous whether or not he's a ShapeShifter, or just a MasterOfDisguise. In the English dub by Creator/FourKidsEntertainment, this is explained by him actually ''being'' Kaiba, or rather, his evil side [[ArcVillain Pegasus]] freed from the Shadow Realm (while given the name of Ghost Kaiba). This raises several questions: Why was he sent to the Shadow Realm if he isn't even alive? How did he come to life? Why does his real form look ''nothing'' like Kaiba? WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries {{Parodied|Trope}} this by claiming the "Gay Clown" didn't really know who he was.

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* ''Anime/DragonballGT'': The Shadow Dragons were supposed to have been generated by overuse of the Dragonballs. They absorbed negative energy with every wish granted, but would release that energy gradually over time, something they couldn't do once Bulma's Dragon Radar made them easy to find and events of the show necessitated use far more frequent than intended. But then it's made clear this specifically applied to the use of ''Earth's'' Dragonballs. Earth's original Dragonballs went inert when Piccolo and Kami re-fused and the current ones were recreated by Dende from the originals, yet Dende didn't notice the negative energy when he remade them? Then there's the {{Neglectful Precursor|s}} factor of keeping such a major drawback to the Dragonballs' use a secret. For that matter, how did the Kais know about the Shadow Dragons, but the Namekians - the race who created the Dragonballs - apparently ''didn't?''
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOh'', the manga villain "The Ventriloquist of the Dead" is replaced with "The Imitator of Death", who disguises himself as Seto Kaiba's ghost. In the uncut version, it's left ambiguous whether or not he's a ShapeShifter, or just a MasterOfDisguise. In the English dub by Creator/FourKidsEntertainment, this is explained by him actually ''being'' Kaiba, or rather, his evil side [[ArcVillain Pegasus]] freed from the Shadow Realm (while given the name of Ghost Kaiba). Realm. This raises several questions: Why was he sent to the Shadow Realm if he isn't even alive? How did he come to life? life in the first place? Why does his real form look ''nothing'' like Kaiba? WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries {{Parodied|Trope}} this by claiming the "Gay Clown" didn't really know who he was.
21st Sep '17 5:49:59 PM BigKlingy
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* The Japanese version of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn'' had one so bad [[{{Woolseyism}} the English localization re-wrote it entirely.]] Ike encounters the Black Knight and wonders how he survived the previous game despite Ike defeating him in a duel ''and'' a castle collapsing on top of him. In the Japanese version, the Black Knight explains that... his Warp Powder malfunctioned and teleported his soul and armor to the castle Ike fought him at, but not his body. This raises far too many questions: why has Warp magic never done that before, or since, in the series? What happened to the soulless body he left behind? How did the Black Knight's soul re-unite with his body? Who recovered his armor from the ruins? Why was the Black Knight completely unfazed by this and cared more about his duel with Ike than fixing a TeleporterAccident that could leave him body-less? The English localization changes this to the Black Knight [[ILetYouWin letting Ike win]] the duel due to discovering something about Ike's father through dialogue that always existed. Presumably, he escaped the collapsing castle due to being at full strength and prepared for it.
21st Sep '17 9:52:45 AM MBG
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* In most editions of ''TabletopGame/{{DungeonsAndDragons}}'' arcane spell casters ((i.e wizards and sorcerers and the like)) suffer a chance of their spellcasting not working when wearing armor heavier than cloth, the heavier the armor the higher the failure chance. Most likely this is done for game balance reasons, however the in game explanation is that wearing armor makes it harder to do the gestures for the spells properly. The problem is divine casters (such as clerics or druids) also require gestures for most of their spells yet they inexplicably suffer no failure chance from wearing armor.

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* In most editions of ''TabletopGame/{{DungeonsAndDragons}}'' ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', arcane spell casters spellcasters ((i.e wizards and sorcerers and the like)) suffer a chance of their spellcasting not working when wearing armor heavier than cloth, cloth - the heavier the armor armor, the higher the failure chance. Most likely likely, this is done for [[SquishyWizard game balance reasons, however reasons,]] but the in game in-game explanation is that wearing armor makes it harder to do the gestures for the spells properly. The problem is that divine casters (such as clerics or druids) also require gestures for most of their spells spells, yet they inexplicably suffer no failure chance from wearing armor.armor. Are cleric spells just less complicated, or something?
21st Sep '17 6:35:50 AM Kelothan
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** Also in ''ComicBook/OneMomentInTime'', [[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28611 Quesada claims]] that ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' was retconned out of continuity and Mephisto never made a deal with the Parkers -- so he never saved Aunt May; she got better thanks to Peter's love and determination. ''Really'', Joe? After everyone up to God himself told Pete that she's as good as [[Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus passed on, no more, ceased to be, pining for the fjords...]]

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** Also in ''ComicBook/OneMomentInTime'', [[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28611 Quesada claims]] that ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' was retconned out of continuity and Mephisto never made a deal with the Parkers -- so he never saved Aunt May; she got better thanks to Peter's love and determination. ''Really'', Joe? After everyone up to God himself ''God himself'' told Pete Peter that she's as good as [[Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus passed on, no more, ceased to be, pining for the fjords...]]dead.
10th Sep '17 3:05:47 PM Malady
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* The [[http://unshavedmouse.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/disney-reviews-with-the-unshaved-mouse-33-pocahontas/ Unshaved Mouse]] refers to Disney/{{Pocahontas}} suddenly being able to communicate in English with John Smith after listening to the wind with this [[NotableReferencesToTVTropes exact term]] linked to this very page. He did it again in his ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' review, when he called out on the movie's explanation of the Atlanteans' ability to speak surface languages as Atlantean is the root of every modern language, which means they can automatically speak English. If you don't know why this is [[CriticalResearchFailure complete bullshit]]; consider the fact that even [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQVyol7N1Jo&nohtml5=False Old English]] is nothing like the modern language, and knowing one will ''not'' help you understand the other.

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* The [[http://unshavedmouse.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/disney-reviews-with-the-unshaved-mouse-33-pocahontas/ Unshaved Mouse]] refers to Disney/{{Pocahontas}} suddenly being able to communicate in English with John Smith after listening to the wind with this [[NotableReferencesToTVTropes [[ReferencedBy/TVTropes exact term]] linked to this very page. He did it again in his ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' review, when he called out on the movie's explanation of the Atlanteans' ability to speak surface languages as Atlantean is the root of every modern language, which means they can automatically speak English. If you don't know why this is [[CriticalResearchFailure complete bullshit]]; consider the fact that even [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQVyol7N1Jo&nohtml5=False Old English]] is nothing like the modern language, and knowing one will ''not'' help you understand the other.
7th Sep '17 6:27:15 PM Epicazeroth
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* In the later ''[[Literature/EndersGame Enderverse]]'' books, it's [[RetCon strongly implied]] that the "two-children-per-couple" rule was specifically created by the founders of the OneWorldOrder as a BatmanGambit; such an obviously oppressive measure would provoke dissatisfaction such that the OWG would dissolve almost immediately once the existential threat to humanity was dealt with. Except what government do you know would intentionally install a mechanism to destroy it in the future?

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* In the later ''[[Literature/EndersGame Enderverse]]'' books, it's [[RetCon strongly implied]] that the "two-children-per-couple" rule was specifically created by the founders of the OneWorldOrder as a BatmanGambit; such an obviously oppressive measure would provoke dissatisfaction such that the OWG would dissolve almost immediately once the existential threat to humanity was dealt with. Except what government do you know would intentionally install a mechanism to destroy it in the future?future? And if the government felt it necessary to dissolve after the threat was dealt with, why would it need a BatmanGambit in the first place?
7th Sep '17 9:43:33 AM omnicritic
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** And then there is the Extended Cut of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''. The writers attempt to solve the plot hole regarding the squad members of [[PlayerCharacter Commander Shepard]] somehow getting onto the [[CoolSpaceship Normandy]]. This was a plot hole since they magically somehow got onto the ship while they were involved in the ground battle in London. How did they solve that? In the scene where [[EldritchAbomination Harbinger]] uses his lasers to quickly take out ground forces like it is Omaha beach, the squad members get injured. Shepard then calls the Normandy to pick them up. The ship arrives (from space battle in orbit) onto the surface in 5 seconds while it had to pass a fleet of Reapers that were on their way to Earth. And if that wasn't bad enough, Harbinger [[TooDumbToLive forgets]] to just laser the ship out of the sky for the whole minute of two it was hanging around as a sitting duck. Overall, the sequence blatant contradicts the whole reason why the ground assault was even staged in the first place; namely that it was far too dangerous for any craft larger than a shuttle to get that close to the frontlines.

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** And then there is the Extended Cut of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''. The writers attempt to solve the plot hole regarding the squad members of [[PlayerCharacter Commander Shepard]] somehow getting onto the [[CoolSpaceship Normandy]]. This was a plot hole since they magically somehow got onto the ship while they were involved in the ground battle in London. How did they solve that? In the scene where [[EldritchAbomination Harbinger]] uses his lasers to quickly take out ground forces like it is Omaha beach, the squad members get injured. Shepard then calls the Normandy to pick them up. The ship arrives (from space battle in orbit) onto the surface in 5 seconds while it had to pass a fleet of Reapers that were on their way to Earth. And if that wasn't bad enough, Harbinger [[TooDumbToLive forgets]] to just laser the ship out of the sky for the whole minute of two it was hanging around as a sitting duck. Overall, the sequence blatant contradicts the whole reason why the ground assault was even staged in the first place; namely that it was far too dangerous for any craft larger than a shuttle to get that close to the frontlines. Unless Harbinger was too busy killing anyone getting close to focus on one ship that wasn't even attacking.
3rd Sep '17 8:18:31 PM BoxerAndCrewSocks
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* In the 2017 LiveActionAdaptation of ''Film/GhostInTheShell'', this is the rationale for the true nature of the Major [[spoiler: Motoko Kusanagi. Kusanagi was an actual young woman that was captured by Hanka robotics and experimented on into Mira Killian, which the film points out is still Motoko's mind in a cybernetic body in order to justify the RaceLift of her character]]. There are several problems with this:
** 1. Why would Hanka robotics just kidnap someone they found on the street to experiment with? The film outright shows they're a large company with defense contracts in the military and the police.
** 2. [[spoiler: Why is the Major so ambivalent about finding out her entire life is a lie? This also extends to the villain Kuze, aka Hideo, who has a similar reaction despite the toll that Hanka's experiments took on him.]]
** 3. Moreover, [[spoiler: why is Mrs. Kusanagi so accepting of being told that she no longer needs to come to her daughter's grave after the Major tells her the truth?]]
30th Aug '17 6:33:13 PM GoldenKeyblade
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* In TransplantedCharacterFic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12074680/1/Tales-of-Attornia-A-Yanmegaman-and-thepudz-collab Tales of Attornia]], chapter 8, [[Franchise/AceAttorney Phoenix]] gets attacked by a dragon and Maya enters SuperMode to protect Phoenix and effortlesly kills the dragon. When asked why she didn't use it earlier when Phoenix was trying to hunt her down she claims that overusing her SuperMode can kill her. What makes this {{Handwave}} fail is that in battle in questione Maya was completely screwed and she knew it. Phoenix had her already defeated, ready to kill her, and the only reason she's alive was that she accidentally mentioned Mia, who was her sister and Phoenix's mentor, and because of that Phoenix changed his plans to take her alive instead. until that point it was basically a choice between certain death and possible death, and Maya chosing the former comes across as TooDumbToLive.

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* In TransplantedCharacterFic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12074680/1/Tales-of-Attornia-A-Yanmegaman-and-thepudz-collab Tales of Attornia]], chapter 8, [[Franchise/AceAttorney Phoenix]] gets attacked by a dragon and Maya enters SuperMode to protect Phoenix and effortlesly kills the dragon. When asked why she didn't use it earlier when Phoenix was trying to hunt her down she claims that overusing her SuperMode can kill her. What makes this {{Handwave}} fail is that that, in battle in questione question, Maya was completely screwed and she knew it. Phoenix had her already defeated, ready to kill her, and the only reason she's alive was that she accidentally mentioned Mia, who was her sister and Phoenix's mentor, and because of that Phoenix changed his plans to take her alive instead. until Until that point it was basically a choice between certain death and possible death, and Maya chosing choosing the former comes across as TooDumbToLive.



* In ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCatTheMovie'', The Duke of Zill, the ruler of an alternate dimension Felix travels into, based his giant Master Cylinder off of the one in Felix's dimension to serve as his ultimate weapon and the source of power for his mass produced cylinder army. The movies tries to HandWave it by showing the Duke's blueprints, which have a comparison chart between the main universe Master Cylinder and Zill's take on him, but this opens up a big PlotHole—the Duke didn't have access to the Dimensporter technology that allowed Felix to travel into the dimension, so how could he have possibly known about or seen the Master Cylinder in Felix's universe?

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* In ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCatTheMovie'', The Duke of Zill, the ruler of an alternate dimension Felix travels into, based his giant Master Cylinder off of the one in Felix's dimension to serve as his ultimate weapon and the source of power for his mass produced cylinder army. The movies tries to HandWave it how this is possible by showing the Duke's blueprints, which have a comparison chart between the main universe Master Cylinder and Zill's take on him, but this opens up a big PlotHole—the Duke didn't have access to the Dimensporter technology that allowed Felix to travel into the dimension, so how could he have possibly known about or seen the Master Cylinder in Felix's universe?



* The [[http://unshavedmouse.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/disney-reviews-with-the-unshaved-mouse-33-pocahontas/ Unshaved Mouse]] refers to Disney/{{Pocahontas}} suddenly being able to communicate in English with John Smith after listening to the wind with this [[NotableReferencesToTVTropes exact term]] linked to this very page. He did it again in his ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' review, when he called out on the movie's explanation of the Atlanteans' ability to speak surface languages as Atlantean is the root of every modern language, which means they can automatically speak English. If you don't know why this is [[CriticalResearchFailure complete bullshit]], consider the fact that even [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQVyol7N1Jo&nohtml5=False Old English]] is nothing like the modern language, and knowing one will ''not'' help you understand the other.
* ''WesternAnimation/DespicableMe'' heavily implies (but never outright states) that Gru created the Minions, since we see a "blueprint" of a Minion in the background of a shot of Gru's lab. However, when it came time to do [[WesternAnimation/{{Minions}} a spinoff featuring the Minions]], that was understandably too restrictive, so the Minions instead became creatures that existed since the dawn of time to serve evil. Of course, that leads to some very awkward questions - not least, [[StupidJetpackHitler did Hitler have Minions]]? So instead, the Minions became depressed after the defeat of UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte and hid in a cave for 150 years, conveniently avoiding the horrors of the 19th and 20th centuries until they pop out... er, at the height of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. An awkward handwave to deal with an awkward handwave, but probably [[TropesAreNotBad better than the alternative]].

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* The [[http://unshavedmouse.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/disney-reviews-with-the-unshaved-mouse-33-pocahontas/ Unshaved Mouse]] refers to Disney/{{Pocahontas}} suddenly being able to communicate in English with John Smith after listening to the wind with this [[NotableReferencesToTVTropes exact term]] linked to this very page. He did it again in his ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' review, when he called out on the movie's explanation of the Atlanteans' ability to speak surface languages as Atlantean is the root of every modern language, which means they can automatically speak English. If you don't know why this is [[CriticalResearchFailure complete bullshit]], bullshit]]; consider the fact that even [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQVyol7N1Jo&nohtml5=False Old English]] is nothing like the modern language, and knowing one will ''not'' help you understand the other.
* ''WesternAnimation/DespicableMe'' heavily implies (but (although never outright states) that Gru created the Minions, since we see a "blueprint" of a Minion in the background of a shot of Gru's lab. However, when it came time to do [[WesternAnimation/{{Minions}} a spinoff featuring the Minions]], that was understandably too restrictive, so the Minions instead became creatures that existed since the dawn of time to serve evil. Of course, that leads to some very awkward questions - not least, [[StupidJetpackHitler did Hitler have Minions]]? So instead, the Minions became depressed after the defeat of UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte and hid in a cave for 150 years, conveniently avoiding the horrors of the 19th and 20th centuries until they pop out... er, at the height of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. An awkward handwave to deal with an awkward handwave, but probably [[TropesAreNotBad better than the alternative]].



* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' featured psyche-locks - red locks over a person's heart that are a visual representation of how much a person is willing to hide a secret, only visible to one who holds an explicitly magical charm. Fair enough. In ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'', one person had ''black'' psyche-locks over them, which could not be removed at all and no explanation was given as to what the hell was up with them. The next installment gave an explanation - the black psyche-locks hide a traumatic secret that the person is repressing - in other words, not even they know the secret and it's potentially psychologically damaging to interrogate them about it. But the secret hidden by the black psyche-locks in ''Apollo Justice'' was a motive for murder, and it was something the person spilled the beans about in court after a little prodding. How is it that that was worthy of black psyche-locks?

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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' featured psyche-locks - red locks over a person's heart that are a visual representation of how much a person is willing to hide a secret, only visible to one who holds an explicitly magical charm. Fair enough. In ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'', one person had ''black'' psyche-locks over them, which could not be removed at all and no explanation was given as to what the hell was up with them. The next installment gave an explanation - the black psyche-locks hide a traumatic secret that the person is repressing - in other words, not even they know the secret and it's potentially psychologically damaging to interrogate them about it. But the secret hidden by the black psyche-locks in ''Apollo Justice'' was a motive for murder, and it was something the person spilled the beans about in court after a little prodding. How is it that prodding (albeit possibly [[SanitySlippage losing his mind as a result]]). The question of how exactly that was worthy of black psyche-locks?psyche-locks has bothered the fandom ever since, and has resulted in countless amounts of WildMassGuessing.



** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'', there is significant TimeTravel, right up until the ending. Many fans deduced that ''Ocarina,'' canonically the earliest game at the time, finishes by [[AlternateTimeline creating two divergent timelines]]. Then, speculation raged as to which games - before and since - belonged to the "Adult" and "Child" timelines, hinging on how Link defeated the evil Ganondorf, and what became of the hero afterwards. Finally, the ''Hyrule Historia'' came out, to much anticipation, hoped for as [[WordOfGod the final word]] to quell these debates once and for all. Except... imagine the confusion when ''Historia'' said that, in fact, ''Ocarina'' ends with ''[[TakeAThirdOption three]]'' divergent timelines - "Adult," "Child," and [[BadFuture a timeline where Link actually]] ''[[BadFuture failed]].'' This confused fans greatly, because since when are Link's failures taken seriously in-universe, instead of just a "Game Over" screen? Fans are also confused on how the BadFuture games are even {{canon|discontinuity}} (instead of being WhatIf games) if they're the result of Link dying.

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** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'', there is significant TimeTravel, right up until the ending. Many fans deduced that ''Ocarina,'' canonically the earliest game at the time, finishes by [[AlternateTimeline creating two divergent timelines]]. Then, speculation raged as to which games - before and since - belonged to the "Adult" and "Child" timelines, hinging on how Link defeated the evil Ganondorf, and what became of the hero afterwards. Finally, the ''Hyrule Historia'' came out, to much anticipation, hoped for as [[WordOfGod the final word]] to quell these debates once and for all. Except... So imagine the confusion when ''Historia'' said that, in fact, ''Ocarina'' ends with ''[[TakeAThirdOption three]]'' '''[[TakeAThirdOption three]]''' divergent timelines - "Adult," "Child," and [[BadFuture a timeline where Link actually]] ''[[BadFuture failed]].'' This confused fans greatly, because since when are Link's failures taken seriously in-universe, instead of just being a "Game Over" screen? Fans are also confused on how the BadFuture games are even {{canon|discontinuity}} (instead of being WhatIf games) if they're the result of Link dying.



-->"Why dance through caves you ask? Well that's what tiny robot pirates ''do''."

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-->"Why dance through caves you ask? Well Well, that's what tiny robot pirates ''do''."



** This is meant to poke fun at an edit done by 4Kids' {{Macekre}}d dub; in the original version, the "clown" is simply a master of disguise hired by Pegasus to eliminate players unfortunate enough to cross with him. In the 4Kids version, he actually is Kaiba's evil side brought back from another dimension.

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** This is meant to poke fun at an edit done by 4Kids' {{Macekre}}d dub; in the original version, the "clown" is simply a master of disguise hired by Pegasus to eliminate players unfortunate enough to cross with him. In the 4Kids version, he actually is ''is'' Kaiba's evil side brought back from another dimension.
29th Aug '17 10:21:01 PM Bootlebat
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* In most editions of ''TabletopGame/{{''DungeonsAndDragons''}} arcane spell casters ((i.e wizards and sorcerers and the like)) suffer a chance of their spellcasting not working when wearing armor heavier than cloth, the heavier the armor the higher the failure chance. Most likely this is done for game balance reasons, however the in game explanation is that wearing armor makes it harder to do the gestures for the spells properly. The problem is divine casters (such as clerics or druids) also require gestures for most of their spells yet they inexplicably suffer no failure chance from wearing armor.

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* In most editions of ''TabletopGame/{{''DungeonsAndDragons''}} ''TabletopGame/{{DungeonsAndDragons}}'' arcane spell casters ((i.e wizards and sorcerers and the like)) suffer a chance of their spellcasting not working when wearing armor heavier than cloth, the heavier the armor the higher the failure chance. Most likely this is done for game balance reasons, however the in game explanation is that wearing armor makes it harder to do the gestures for the spells properly. The problem is divine casters (such as clerics or druids) also require gestures for most of their spells yet they inexplicably suffer no failure chance from wearing armor.
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