History Main / ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption

31st Jan '16 12:26:02 AM JulianLapostat
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** Indeed, the view of the Reconstruction era since TheSixties, under historian Eric Foner is that the UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan became a threat because the American government was slow to meet and battle them. They pointed out that the Klan died a quick death when President UsefulNotes/UlyssesGrant sent the army to clamp them down and protect the newly franchised African-Americans. The 1876 election led to the Republicans backing out and pulling its forces out of the South, which immediately led to Jim Crow, electioneering violence and the rise of lynching in the South.
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** Indeed, the view of the Reconstruction era since TheSixties, under historian Eric Foner is that the UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan became a threat because the American government was slow to meet and battle them. They pointed out that the Klan died a quick death when President UsefulNotes/UlyssesGrant UsefulNotes/UlyssesSGrant sent the army to clamp them down and protect the newly franchised African-Americans. The 1876 election led to the Republicans backing out and pulling its forces out of the South, which immediately led to Jim Crow, electioneering violence and the rise of lynching in the South.
31st Jan '16 12:25:21 AM JulianLapostat
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** Indeed, the view of the Reconstruction era since TheSixties, under historian Eric Foner is that the UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan became a threat because the American government was slow to meet and battle them. They pointed out that the Klan died a quick death when President UsefulNotes/UlyssesGrant sent the army to clamp them down and protect the newly franchised African-Americans. The 1876 election led to the Republicans backing out and pulling its forces out of the South, which immediately led to Jim Crow, electioneering violence and the rise of lynching in the South.
31st Jan '16 12:21:16 AM JulianLapostat
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* [[UsefulNotes/NevilleChamberlain PM Chamberlain's]] determined effort to make "Peace for our time" through diplomatic means. [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII It didn't work,]] although his efforts did at least buy a little time to rearm the British military. * If a country is invaded and the defender doesn't want war, the choice is either fight back or let the other guy take your country.
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* [[UsefulNotes/NevilleChamberlain PM Chamberlain's]] determined effort UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar ended slavery at the price of the bloodiest conflict in American history. The moderate wing of the Republican party (of which Lincoln was a leader) was willing to make "Peace for our time" through diplomatic means. [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII compromise with the South. It didn't work,]] although opposed the expansion of slavery into new territories but was content to allow already existing slavery to remain with offers of compensation and graduated emancipation. The South refused even this moderate position (hated by the radical abolitionists) and went in open revolt upon Lincoln's election and eventually dug its own grave. John Brown, abolitonist insurgent, who killed slaveowners noted at the trial after his efforts did at least buy a little time to rearm disastrous Harper's Ferry raid: --> ''I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the British military. crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.'' * If a country is invaded and the defender doesn't want war, the choice is either fight back or let the other guy take your country.

* There are some people with whom diplomacy will '''not''' work. [[BloodKnight Combat junkies]], [[KnightTemplar the impenetrably self-righteous]], and the like are [[CaptainObvious unlikely to be talked down.]] The main use of diplomacy with such is, as one definition puts it, the fine art of saying "Nice doggy" while you find a suitable rock.
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* There are some people with whom diplomacy will '''not''' work. [[BloodKnight Combat junkies]], [[KnightTemplar the impenetrably self-righteous]], and the like are [[CaptainObvious unlikely to be talked down.]] down]], and are plainly "bad actors" whose word cannot be relied upon. The main use of diplomacy with such is, as one definition puts it, the fine art of saying "Nice doggy" while you find a suitable rock.rock. ** [[UsefulNotes/NevilleChamberlain PM Chamberlain's]] determined effort to make "Peace for our time" through diplomatic means. [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII It didn't work,]] although his efforts did at least buy a little time to rearm the British military. Chamberlain was backed by the French President Daladier and both of them assumed that Hitler could be negotiated with, that he had the best interests of Germany at hand and that he could relate to everyone's desire to avoid another World War. Hitler was in fact deceitful and manipulative and really did believe WarIsGlorious. ** Stalin angered by the Munich Pact, which he saw as an invitation on the behalf of the West to invade Eastern Europe, negotiated his own deal with Hitler in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Stalin ''did'' believe that eventually there would be war between Germany and the USSR, but he hoped to buy time and delay the war, thinking Hitler wouldn't blindly break the pact and outright invade the Soviet Union. He in fact did just that by launching Operation Barbarossa.

* This trope applies for street gangs, terrorists, and other criminals. They don't respect life, boundaries, or even honor. Using force to kill or imprison them is often the only immediate option to stop them from doing the horrible things that they do.
30th Jan '16 3:05:56 AM bwburke94
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Namespacing The Joker
-->'''Vyvyan''': Exciting new story: "Batman gooses TheJoker's crack!"
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-->'''Vyvyan''': Exciting new story: "Batman gooses TheJoker's ComicBook/TheJoker's crack!"
17th Jan '16 6:13:17 PM nombretomado
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* ''StarControl II'' often averts this with the non-evil races whom you can actually be diplomatic to or you can choose to kill them and get RU. However, there are races that will attack you no matter what you say. Though they usually are willing to chat, often at great length, before they throw down.
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* ''StarControl II'' ''VideoGame/StarControlII'' often averts this with the non-evil races whom you can actually be diplomatic to or you can choose to kill them and get RU. However, there are races that will attack you no matter what you say. Though they usually are willing to chat, often at great length, before they throw down.
16th Jan '16 8:37:53 PM MissFreeman
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** [[spoiler:Trying to spare the final boss of the genocide route (Sans) will get you killed. Your only choice is to... yeah. Justified in that, because you're on the genocide route, you've killed almost everybody, showing no mercy to anyone or anything. Sans is simply showing the same amount of mercy (that is, none) you did to all of his friends.
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** [[spoiler:Trying to spare the final boss of the genocide route (Sans) will get you killed. Your only choice is to... yeah. Justified in that, because you're on the genocide route, you've killed almost everybody, showing no mercy to anyone or anything. Sans is simply showing the same amount of mercy (that is, none) you did to all of his friends.]]
13th Jan '16 3:44:20 PM SgtFrog1
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** [[spoiler:Trying to spare the final boss of the genocide route (Sans) will get you killed. Your only choice is to... yeah.]]
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** [[spoiler:Trying to spare the final boss of the genocide route (Sans) will get you killed. Your only choice is to... yeah.]] Justified in that, because you're on the genocide route, you've killed almost everybody, showing no mercy to anyone or anything. Sans is simply showing the same amount of mercy (that is, none) you did to all of his friends.
19th Dec '15 6:49:37 PM Twiddler
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* This is one of the driving forces behind Aang's character growth in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Being a pacifist monk who was taught to never kill, he's not really suited for being at the head of the war effort, and often tries diplomacy instead. When the time comes to defeat the BigBad his friends and past lives point out that he has no other choice but to kill him, even if its sacrificing his morals. [[spoiler: In the end [[TakeAThirdOption he gets a spiritual way to defeat Ozai instead of killing him handed to him on a silver platter]]. They still have an epic battle.]]
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* This is one of the driving forces behind Aang's character growth in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Being a pacifist monk who was taught to never kill, he's not really suited for being at the head of the war effort, and often tries diplomacy instead. When the time comes to defeat the BigBad his friends and past lives point out that he has no other choice but to kill him, even if its it's sacrificing his morals. [[spoiler: In the end [[TakeAThirdOption he gets a spiritual way to defeat Ozai instead of killing him handed to him on a silver platter]]. They still have an epic battle.]]
19th Dec '15 6:48:42 PM Twiddler
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* This is one of the driving forces behind Aang's character growth in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Being a pacifist monk who was taught to never kill, he's not really suited for being at the head of the war effort, and often tries diplomacy instead. When the time comes to defeat the BigBad his friends and past lives point out that he has no other choice but to kill him, even if its sacrificing his morals. [[spoiler: In the end [[AssPull he gets a spiritual way to defeat Ozai instead of killing him handed to him on a silver platter]]. They still have an epic battle.]]
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* This is one of the driving forces behind Aang's character growth in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Being a pacifist monk who was taught to never kill, he's not really suited for being at the head of the war effort, and often tries diplomacy instead. When the time comes to defeat the BigBad his friends and past lives point out that he has no other choice but to kill him, even if its sacrificing his morals. [[spoiler: In the end [[AssPull [[TakeAThirdOption he gets a spiritual way to defeat Ozai instead of killing him handed to him on a silver platter]]. They still have an epic battle.]]
19th Dec '15 6:47:00 PM Twiddler
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* This is one of the driving forces behind Aang's character growth in WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender. Being a pacifist monk who was taught to never kill, he's not really suited for being at the head of the war effort, and often tries diplomacy instead. When the time comes to defeat the BigBad his friends and past lives point out that he has no other choice but to kill him, even if its sacrificing his morals. [[spoiler: In the end [[AssPull he gets a spiritual way to defeat Ozai instead of killing him handed to him on a silver platter]]. They still have an epic battle.]]
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* This is one of the driving forces behind Aang's character growth in WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender.''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Being a pacifist monk who was taught to never kill, he's not really suited for being at the head of the war effort, and often tries diplomacy instead. When the time comes to defeat the BigBad his friends and past lives point out that he has no other choice but to kill him, even if its sacrificing his morals. [[spoiler: In the end [[AssPull he gets a spiritual way to defeat Ozai instead of killing him handed to him on a silver platter]]. They still have an epic battle.]]
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