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10th Sep '17 9:45:59 AM nighttrainfm
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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' was supposed to be about a girl named Buffy who fought ... well, ''vampires''. She was never limited to ''just'' vampires, but, for the first couple seasons, vampires were the [[BigBad Big Bads]] and represented a serious threat to Buffy. The third season changed this by having a non-vampire BigBad who used vampires as [[{{Mooks}} minions]]. By the fourth season, the series could have been accurately renamed ''Buffy the Demon Slayer'', with vampires simply one of many demon species (and pretty low on the demonic totem pole at that). During the last three seasons, there were usually only a couple vampire-centric episodes each year; the rest of the time these formerly main villains were used as punching bags whom the good guys could kill off when nothing important was going on. The last season made a nod towards the title by having the villain command a legion of, essentially, super-vampires. After the first one they were still pretty easy to kill.

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' was supposed to be about a girl named / ''Series/{{Angel}}'':
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Buffy who fought ... well, ''vampires''. She was never limited to ''just'' fighting vampires, but, for the first couple seasons, vampires were the [[BigBad Big Bads]] and represented a serious threat to Buffy. The third season changed this by having a non-vampire BigBad who used vampires as [[{{Mooks}} minions]]. By the fourth season, the series could have been accurately renamed ''Buffy the Demon Slayer'', with vampires simply one of many demon species (and pretty low on the demonic totem pole at that). During the last three seasons, there were usually only a couple vampire-centric episodes each year; the rest of the time these formerly main villains were used as punching bags whom the good guys could kill off when nothing important was going on. The last season made a nod towards the title by having the villain command a legion of, essentially, super-vampires. After the first one they were still pretty easy to kill.
21st Aug '17 11:14:45 AM SeptimusHeap
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* When Creator/TimothyZahn kicked off the StarWarsExpandedUniverse, his bad guys were Imperials trying to recover the territory lost to the Rebellion/New Republic after the Emperor died. Almost the entire Bantam era has, as its villains, the remains of the Empire, as well as occasional offshoots. A few times strange aliens were fought instead, and nearly every author felt they had to spring a SuperweaponSurprise, but it was nearly always New Republic versus Empire. In the HandOfThrawn duology which capped the Bantam era, the [[TheRemnant battered]] but [[DefiantToTheEnd proud]] [[VestigialEmpire Imperial Remnant]] signs a [[PeaceConference peace treaty]] with the New Republic. Stories set before that point may still have Imperial villains; stories set past that point may have offshoot Imperials, but these days there are fewer books with either. Now strange new aliens are the go-to bad guys, from [[Literature/NewJediOrder extragalactic sadistic masochists]] to [[Literature/DarkNestTrilogy hiveminded bugs controlled by evil burn victims]] to, most lately, [[Literature/FateOfTheJedi Cthulhu]]. Again, there are exceptions like all Clone Wars and earlier books, and one series had a [[Literature/LegacyOfTheForce civil war]], but strange new ScaryDogmaticAliens seem to be the current menace.

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* When Creator/TimothyZahn kicked off the StarWarsExpandedUniverse, ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'', his bad guys were Imperials trying to recover the territory lost to the Rebellion/New Republic after the Emperor died. Almost the entire Bantam era has, as its villains, the remains of the Empire, as well as occasional offshoots. A few times strange aliens were fought instead, and nearly every author felt they had to spring a SuperweaponSurprise, but it was nearly always New Republic versus Empire. In the HandOfThrawn ''Literature/HandOfThrawn'' duology which capped the Bantam era, the [[TheRemnant battered]] but [[DefiantToTheEnd proud]] [[VestigialEmpire Imperial Remnant]] signs a [[PeaceConference peace treaty]] with the New Republic. Stories set before that point may still have Imperial villains; stories set past that point may have offshoot Imperials, but these days there are fewer books with either. Now strange new aliens are the go-to bad guys, from [[Literature/NewJediOrder extragalactic sadistic masochists]] to [[Literature/DarkNestTrilogy hiveminded bugs controlled by evil burn victims]] to, most lately, [[Literature/FateOfTheJedi Cthulhu]]. Again, there are exceptions like all Clone Wars and earlier books, and one series had a [[Literature/LegacyOfTheForce civil war]], but strange new ScaryDogmaticAliens seem to be the current menace.
27th Mar '17 4:31:40 PM nighttrainfm
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->'''Dean Winchester:''' Well then, good luck stopping the Apocalypse.\\
'''Sam Winchester:''' Thanks. Good luck killing Death. ''(beat)'' Remember when we used to just hunt wendigos? How simple things were?

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->'''Dean Winchester:''' Well then, good luck stopping the Apocalypse.whole zombie apocalypse.\\
'''Sam Winchester:''' Thanks.Yeah. Good luck killing Death. ''(beat)'' Remember when we used to just just...hunt wendigos? How simple things were?
8th Jan '17 11:18:55 AM nombretomado
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** And Sith- mustn't forget the Sith. They really started out as extra special, extra dangerous villains, but now they're ''everywhere''- [[StarWarsLegacy Legacy]] and ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'' had Sith Big Bads, while Comicbook/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic and Literature/FateOfTheJedi have Sith among their villains in various ways (not to mention anything set during the clone wars or the Galactic Civil War will have Darth Sidious/the Emperor as BigBad, or more often BiggerBad, by default). Of course, the Sith are certainly Scary and Dogmatic, even if they aren't all aliens, so they could also be said to fit in with the above as well...

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** And Sith- mustn't forget the Sith. They really started out as extra special, extra dangerous villains, but now they're ''everywhere''- [[StarWarsLegacy Legacy]] ComicBook/{{Legacy}} and ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'' had Sith Big Bads, while Comicbook/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic and Literature/FateOfTheJedi have Sith among their villains in various ways (not to mention anything set during the clone wars or the Galactic Civil War will have Darth Sidious/the Emperor as BigBad, or more often BiggerBad, by default). Of course, the Sith are certainly Scary and Dogmatic, even if they aren't all aliens, so they could also be said to fit in with the above as well...
5th Oct '16 2:41:38 PM Liamdurf
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** Season 7 goes yet another step further, retiring angels to replace them with even older, angel-killing Leviathans, so the pedigree goes: Ghosts < Demons < Angels < Leviathans. Though the Leviathans eventually turn out to be an subversion of this trope, as despite their hype their main abilities seem to be limited to shapeshifting and NighInvulnerability, and they have a WeaksauceWeakness in the form of borax. Despite being able to kill the Angels (or at least the weaker ones), they're almost certainly weaker than the also [[SuperpowerLottery nigh invulnerable, face-melting, reality-warping, time traveling, dead-resurrecting, dimension teleporting]] celestials, and if it weren't for the below-mentioned one-hit-kill knife, would probably be rivaled by demons. If the angels weren't busy dealing with the aftermath of their civil war, they'd probably still be running the show on Earth. It also gets straight-up inverted at the end of season 7, as the Demons dispatch the entire Leviathan army by themselves in short order after the Winchesters killed the Levi leader.

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** Season 7 goes yet another step further, retiring angels to replace them with even older, angel-killing Leviathans, so the pedigree goes: Ghosts < Demons < Angels < Leviathans. Though the Leviathans eventually turn out to be an a subversion of this trope, as despite their hype their main abilities seem to be limited to shapeshifting and NighInvulnerability, and they have a WeaksauceWeakness in the form of borax. Despite being able to kill the Angels (or at least the weaker ones), they're almost certainly weaker than the also [[SuperpowerLottery nigh invulnerable, face-melting, reality-warping, time traveling, dead-resurrecting, dimension teleporting]] celestials, and if it weren't for the below-mentioned one-hit-kill knife, would probably be rivaled by demons. If the angels weren't busy dealing with the aftermath of their civil war, they'd probably still be running the show on Earth. It also gets straight-up inverted at the end of season 7, as the Demons dispatch the entire Leviathan army by themselves in short order after the Winchesters killed the Levi leader.
22nd Nov '15 12:25:52 AM jormis29
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* In the ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClankToolsOfDestruction'', the player starts by fighting the villain's simple mercenary armies. However, in the second half of the game the mercenaries are replaced by monstrous EliteMooks from the villain's own race who can phase in and out of matter.

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* In the ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClankToolsOfDestruction'', ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClankFutureToolsOfDestruction'', the player starts by fighting the villain's simple mercenary armies. However, in the second half of the game the mercenaries are replaced by monstrous EliteMooks from the villain's own race who can phase in and out of matter.
21st Nov '15 8:12:02 PM Willbyr
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* Likewise, in BusouRenkin, the original monsters were human-eating monstrous homunculi. Eventually it got to the point where our heroes could beat a whole horde of them and still have enough energy to face the BigBad and hold their own. It was at that point that no new homunculi characters were introduced, and the villains became [[spoiler: humans with Busou Renkin themselves, and way more fighting experience.]]
* The MagicalGirl type [[MonsterOfTheWeek Monsters of the Week]] in ''LyricalNanoha'' were quickly regulated to easily-dealt-with distraction status by the half-way point of [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha the first season]] as the series moved to battles against other mages and knights, armies of AntiMagic-protected MechaMooks, and different kinds of {{Super Soldier}}s. When one such monster showed up in the first ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'' [[AudioAdaptation Sound Stage]], it was treated as something for the rookies to practice what they learned in training on.

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* Likewise, in BusouRenkin, ''Manga/BusouRenkin'', the original monsters were human-eating monstrous homunculi. Eventually it got to the point where our heroes could beat a whole horde of them and still have enough energy to face the BigBad and hold their own. It was at that point that no new homunculi characters were introduced, and the villains became [[spoiler: humans with Busou Renkin themselves, and way more fighting experience.]]
* The MagicalGirl type [[MonsterOfTheWeek Monsters of the Week]] in ''LyricalNanoha'' ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' were quickly regulated to easily-dealt-with distraction status by the half-way point of [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha the first season]] as the series moved to battles against other mages and knights, armies of AntiMagic-protected MechaMooks, and different kinds of {{Super Soldier}}s. When one such monster showed up in the first ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'' [[AudioAdaptation Sound Stage]], it was treated as something for the rookies to practice what they learned in training on.
17th Jul '15 7:17:24 PM JRads47
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* ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'': The first arc features {{Beast| Folk}}men as the main antagonists piloting their mecha. After Lordgenome is defeated and the Beastmen make a HeelRaceTurn, [[spoiler:the [[DimensionLord Anti-Spiral]]]] steps up as the main antagonist, and he uses {{Eldritch Abomination}}s to combat the heroes.
10th Jul '15 6:19:53 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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'''Sam Winchester:''' Thanks. Good luck killing Death. ''(beat)'' Remember when we used to just hunt {{wendigo}}s? How simple things were?

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'''Sam Winchester:''' Thanks. Good luck killing Death. ''(beat)'' Remember when we used to just hunt {{wendigo}}s? wendigos? How simple things were?
10th Jul '15 5:57:51 PM nombretomado
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* The MagicalGirl type [[MonsterOfTheWeek Monsters of the Week]] in ''LyricalNanoha'' were quickly regulated to easily-dealt-with distraction status by the half-way point of [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha the first season]] as the series moved to battles against other mages and knights, armies of AntiMagic-protected MechaMooks, and different kinds of {{Super Soldier}}s. When one such monster showed up in the first ''NanohaStrikerS'' [[AudioAdaptation Sound Stage]], it was treated as something for the rookies to practice what they learned in training on.

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* The MagicalGirl type [[MonsterOfTheWeek Monsters of the Week]] in ''LyricalNanoha'' were quickly regulated to easily-dealt-with distraction status by the half-way point of [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha the first season]] as the series moved to battles against other mages and knights, armies of AntiMagic-protected MechaMooks, and different kinds of {{Super Soldier}}s. When one such monster showed up in the first ''NanohaStrikerS'' ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'' [[AudioAdaptation Sound Stage]], it was treated as something for the rookies to practice what they learned in training on.
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