History Main / UrbanWarfare

14th Oct '17 3:42:56 PM TheWildWestPyro
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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking, Changsha, Changde, Wuhan and Taierzhuang. The defense of Nanking was a CurbStompBattle for the Chinese army, but while Shanghai ended in defeat, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse 423 Chinese troops]] defended a warehouse for 4 days against the Japanese 3rd division, killing 200 Japanese and destroying several armored cars with stick grenades. Wuhan was defended furiously by the Chinese, with an entire quarter ''of their total ammunition'' being used up, but ultimately fell to Japan. That all said, Taierzhuang saw the first Chinese victory of the war, with warlord soldiers (often armed with [[SwordAndGun just swords and pistols]]) literally turning the streets red with blood in hand-to-hand combat with the Japanese. Meanwhile, better-equipped Central Army troops successfully encircled the Japanese, then engaged in truly fierce house-to-house fighting, to the point where platoons would fight for hours to capture ''one room.'' Changsha is remarkable for being successfully defended three times, from 1939-41, until it fell in 1944. The bloody battle of Changde saw the city fall to Japan in January 1944, but the Japanese were quickly forced to withdraw following a successful Chinese counterattack with air support.

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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking, Changsha, Changde, Wuhan and Taierzhuang. The defense of Nanking was a CurbStompBattle for the Chinese army, but while Shanghai ended in defeat, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse 423 Chinese troops]] defended a warehouse for 4 days against the Japanese 3rd division, killing 200 Japanese and destroying several armored cars with stick grenades. Wuhan was defended furiously by the Chinese, with an entire quarter ''of their total ammunition'' being used up, but ultimately fell to Japan. That all said, Taierzhuang saw the first Chinese victory of the war, with warlord soldiers (often armed with [[SwordAndGun just swords and Mauser pistols]]) literally turning the streets red with blood in hand-to-hand combat with the Japanese. Meanwhile, better-equipped Central Army troops successfully encircled the Japanese, then engaged in truly fierce house-to-house fighting, to the point where platoons would fight for hours to capture ''one room.'' Changsha is remarkable for being successfully defended three times, from 1939-41, until it fell in 1944. The bloody battle of Changde saw the city fall to Japan in January 1944, but the Japanese were quickly forced to withdraw following a successful Chinese counterattack with air support.
14th Oct '17 3:42:52 PM TheWildWestPyro
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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking, Changsha, Changde, Wuhan and Taierzhuang. The defense of Nanking was a CurbStompBattle for the Chinese army, but while Shanghai ended in defeat, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse 423 Chinese troops]] defended a warehouse for 4 days against the Japanese 3rd division, killing 200 Japanese and destroying several armored cars with stick grenades. Wuhan was defended furiously by the Chinese, with an entire quarter ''of their total ammunition'' being used up, but ultimately fell to Japan. That all said, Taierzhuang saw the first Chinese victory of the war, with warlord soldiers (often armed with just swords and pistols) literally turning the streets red with blood in hand-to-hand combat with the Japanese. Meanwhile, better-equipped Central Army troops successfully encircled the Japanese, then engaged in truly fierce house-to-house fighting, to the point where platoons would fight for hours to capture ''one room.'' Changsha is remarkable for being successfully defended three times, from 1939-41, until it fell in 1944. The bloody battle of Changde saw the city fall to Japan in January 1944, but the Japanese were quickly forced to withdraw following a successful Chinese counterattack with air support.

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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking, Changsha, Changde, Wuhan and Taierzhuang. The defense of Nanking was a CurbStompBattle for the Chinese army, but while Shanghai ended in defeat, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse 423 Chinese troops]] defended a warehouse for 4 days against the Japanese 3rd division, killing 200 Japanese and destroying several armored cars with stick grenades. Wuhan was defended furiously by the Chinese, with an entire quarter ''of their total ammunition'' being used up, but ultimately fell to Japan. That all said, Taierzhuang saw the first Chinese victory of the war, with warlord soldiers (often armed with [[SwordAndGun just swords and pistols) pistols]]) literally turning the streets red with blood in hand-to-hand combat with the Japanese. Meanwhile, better-equipped Central Army troops successfully encircled the Japanese, then engaged in truly fierce house-to-house fighting, to the point where platoons would fight for hours to capture ''one room.'' Changsha is remarkable for being successfully defended three times, from 1939-41, until it fell in 1944. The bloody battle of Changde saw the city fall to Japan in January 1944, but the Japanese were quickly forced to withdraw following a successful Chinese counterattack with air support.
14th Oct '17 3:42:34 PM TheWildWestPyro
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** Knowing the difficulty of this style of warfare, in the later stages of WWII, American forces would often attempt to [[AvertedTrope avert it]]. They would approach (relatively strategically unimportant) German towns and villages, and before entering, demand the surrender of any defenders. If the offer was accepted, the defenders would be disarmed, a small garrison left behind, and they would move on to the next objective, leaving the village unharmed. If the defenders refused and fought back, US forces would [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill level the place from long range using artillery and aircraft]], and move on to the next objective. For instance, in the [[http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/MOUTGabel.htm attack on Aachen]], US forces did creditably well, although their opponents fought with nowhere near the fanaticism of the Berlin defenders. Special note goes to the use of the [[{{BFG}} 155mm self-propelled howitzer]], in ''[[http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo81/Shirocco2/Tanks/1555tyu.jpg direct-fire]]'', to reduce German strongpoints. The Red Army used ''[[RuleOfCool tracked]]'' [[{{BFG}} 203-mm howitzers]] in a similar role in the Battle of Berlin in 1945. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDxCMuQhegs at about 2:44 minutes.

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** Knowing the difficulty of this style of warfare, in the later stages of WWII, American forces would often attempt to [[AvertedTrope avert it]]. They would approach (relatively strategically unimportant) German towns and villages, and before entering, demand the surrender of any defenders. If the offer was accepted, the defenders would be disarmed, a small garrison left behind, and they would move on to the next objective, leaving the village unharmed. If the defenders refused and fought back, US forces would [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill level the place from long range using artillery and aircraft]], and move on to the next objective. For instance, in the [[http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/MOUTGabel.htm attack on Aachen]], US forces did creditably well, although their opponents fought with nowhere near the fanaticism of the Berlin defenders. Special note goes to the use of the [[{{BFG}} 155mm self-propelled howitzer]], in ''[[http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo81/Shirocco2/Tanks/1555tyu.jpg direct-fire]]'', to reduce German strongpoints. The Red Army used ''[[RuleOfCool tracked]]'' [[{{BFG}} 203-mm howitzers]] in a similar role in the Battle of Berlin in 1945. See http://www.[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDxCMuQhegs this video]] at about 2:44 minutes.
14th Oct '17 3:42:07 PM TheWildWestPyro
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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking, Changsha, Changde, Wuhan and Tai'erzhuang.

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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking, Changsha, Changde, Wuhan and Tai'erzhuang.Taierzhuang. The defense of Nanking was a CurbStompBattle for the Chinese army, but while Shanghai ended in defeat, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse 423 Chinese troops]] defended a warehouse for 4 days against the Japanese 3rd division, killing 200 Japanese and destroying several armored cars with stick grenades. Wuhan was defended furiously by the Chinese, with an entire quarter ''of their total ammunition'' being used up, but ultimately fell to Japan. That all said, Taierzhuang saw the first Chinese victory of the war, with warlord soldiers (often armed with just swords and pistols) literally turning the streets red with blood in hand-to-hand combat with the Japanese. Meanwhile, better-equipped Central Army troops successfully encircled the Japanese, then engaged in truly fierce house-to-house fighting, to the point where platoons would fight for hours to capture ''one room.'' Changsha is remarkable for being successfully defended three times, from 1939-41, until it fell in 1944. The bloody battle of Changde saw the city fall to Japan in January 1944, but the Japanese were quickly forced to withdraw following a successful Chinese counterattack with air support.
16th Sep '17 5:31:24 PM nombretomado
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Known in the [[YanksWithTanks US Army]] as MOUT (military operations in urban terrain) and in the [[BritsWithBattleships British Army]] as [[FunWithAcronyms FISH (fighting in someone's home)]].

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Known in the [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks US Army]] as MOUT (military operations in urban terrain) and in the [[BritsWithBattleships British Army]] as [[FunWithAcronyms FISH (fighting in someone's home)]].
15th Sep '17 5:58:24 PM TheWildWestPyro
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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking and Tai'erzhuang.

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** The UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar had its share of battles in cities such as Shanghai, Nanking Nanking, Changsha, Changde, Wuhan and Tai'erzhuang.
17th Aug '17 7:44:38 AM Rmpdc
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Compare and contrast with JungleWarfare, where fighting takes place in remote tropical rainforests instead, and WinterWarfare, where fighting takes place in conditions below freezing, though in the case of the latter it can easily overlap with this one (Stalingrad being one such example).
16th Aug '17 9:59:27 PM Rmpdc
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9th Aug '17 9:23:17 PM Ominae
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** This is present in Marawi when the Abu Sayyaf Group teamed up with other Islamist forces and foreign fighters who slipped into Mindanao. The reason why it's taking months to weed them out is because most of the local forces grew up/lived in Marawi and know the place. The Philippine military, while having a reputation in the Asia-Pacific due to their jungle warfare experience, have little experience in fighting inside towns/cities based on the 2013 attack on Zamboanga city.
* Some countries have specifically trained their armies to engage their enemies in urban warfare ops such as Israel, Japan and Singapore.

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** This is present in Marawi when the Abu Sayyaf Maute Group teamed up with other Islamist forces and foreign fighters who slipped into Mindanao. The reason why it's taking months to weed them out is because most of the local forces grew up/lived in Marawi and know the place. The Philippine military, while having a reputation in the Asia-Pacific due to their jungle warfare experience, have little experience in fighting inside towns/cities based on aside from the 2013 attack on Zamboanga city.
city with the risk of killing civilians being taken hostage with special forces being the only units to have been trained to fight in urban places.
* Some countries have specifically trained their armies to engage their enemies in urban warfare ops such as Israel, Japan and Singapore.
Singapore due to the country being urbanized.
9th Aug '17 9:19:54 PM Ominae
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** This is present in Marawi when the Abu Sayyaf Group teamed up with other Islamist forces and foreign fighters who slipped into Mindanao. The reason why it's taking months to weed them out is because most of the local forces grew up/lived in Marawi and know the place. The Philippine military, while having a reputation in the Asia-Pacific due to their jungle warfare experience, have little experience in fighting inside towns/cities based on the 2013 attack on Zamboanga city.
* Some countries have specifically trained their armies to engage their enemies in urban warfare ops such as Israel, Japan and Singapore.
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