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14th Jan '18 9:41:57 AM LondonKdS
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* Explored in great depth in ''Literature/TheComfortableCourtesan''. Clorinda Cathcart, a very high-class prostitute in early-nineteenth-century London, is entirely happy to be a prostitute, but a major subject of the story is the amount of effort and intelligence that it takes her to keep things positive for herself, and she still sometimes fails to escape some of the hazards of the lifestyle. There are also other characters for whom things don't go so well.
8th Jan '18 12:14:27 AM Fireblood
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# [[MyGirlIsNotASlut The social stigma attached to prostitution]] is very mild, if it exists at all. In many cases, the sex trade is considered no worse than any other service job. Indeed, it might even be ''sanctioned'' by that society. [[note]] (For example, a society in which {{Arranged Marriage}}s are the norm and seeking out sex elsewhere is more-or-less accepted. Or a society in which prostitution is an aspect of the society's religion, as with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution temple prostitutes]], who were usually also priests/priestesses.) Or one in which boys or girls are given ProfessionalSexEd when they are considered marriageable adults, or some other form of SexAsRiteOfPassage.[[/note]] If and when s/he decides to [[INeedAnIndexByMonday pursue a different career path]], their sex work won't be [[NeverLiveItDown held against them]]. Nor does it hinder their chances of getting into real long-term relationships or marriages, and no one is considered DefiledForever by having been in this career path. Sex workers are never harassed by police or the MoralGuardians. This problem especially, is what have lead some countries to ban the act of paying for sex, but not prostitution. UsefulNotes/{{Sweden}} was the first country to do so in 1999, followed by UsefulNotes/{{Iceland}} and UsefulNotes/{{Norway}} in 2011, UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland in 2014 and UsefulNotes/{{France}} in 2016.

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# [[MyGirlIsNotASlut The social stigma attached to prostitution]] is very mild, if it exists at all. In many cases, the sex trade is considered no worse than any other service job. Indeed, it might even be ''sanctioned'' by that society. [[note]] (For example, a society in which {{Arranged Marriage}}s are the norm and seeking out sex elsewhere is more-or-less accepted. Or a society in which prostitution is an aspect of the society's religion, as with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution temple prostitutes]], who were usually also priests/priestesses.) Or one in which boys or girls are given ProfessionalSexEd when they are considered marriageable adults, or some other form of SexAsRiteOfPassage.[[/note]] If and when s/he decides to [[INeedAnIndexByMonday pursue a different career path]], their sex work won't be [[NeverLiveItDown held against them]]. Nor does it hinder their chances of getting into real long-term relationships or marriages, and no one is considered DefiledForever by having been in this career path. Sex workers are never harassed by police or the MoralGuardians. This problem especially, especially is what have lead has now led some countries to ban the act of paying for sex, but not prostitution. UsefulNotes/{{Sweden}} was the first country to do so in 1999, followed by UsefulNotes/{{Iceland}} and UsefulNotes/{{Norway}} in 2011, UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland in 2014 and UsefulNotes/{{France}} in 2016.



** The original script was a huge deconstruction of it. To start off with Julia Roberts character was heavily addicted to cocaine and emotionally unstable, and the movie ends with the millionaire throwing her out of his limo, tossing the cash at her and driving off. She then dies of a cocaine overdose brought on by a mental breakdown.

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** The original script was a huge deconstruction of it. To start off with Julia Roberts character was heavily addicted to cocaine and emotionally unstable, and the movie ends with the millionaire throwing her out of his limo, tossing the cash at her and driving off. She then dies of a cocaine overdose brought on by a mental breakdown. Some real prostitutes blame the final glamorized version for making them feel it was an okay profession to take up, and ruining their lives in doing so.


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* ''Film/KingArthurLegendOfTheSword: Averted. Though the prostitutes have some protection with Arthur and his gang, they still appear to get beaten up by unruly clients fairly often. Arthur and the others then beat up these men in retaliation.
20th Dec '17 8:33:19 AM Larkmarn
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* ''Website/{{Cracked}}'' also had an article titled "No Fat Tourists: 5 Facts of Life You Learn as a Prostitute in Vietnam" that painted the life of a prostitute in a ridiculously rosy way. According to the article, prostitution was just a nice way for the author to earn some pocket cash, had no social stigma among the locals, she was kept safe by both the police and her "street caller" (pimp), and in fact it enriched her life because it taught her English. The whole thing is criticized as glorifying SexTourism and reads like it was written by a Vietnamese tourism board.
6th Nov '17 5:49:14 AM Nautilus1
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Sometimes TruthInTelevision in regard to #1, #2 and #5, since the girls would try to avoid at all costs people who look dangerous, violent, gross, visibly drunk or drugged, and respond to people who look nice, [[RightForTheWrongReasons for their own safety]][[note]]Seriously, when asked by reporters which is the quickest way to {{Squick}} them, it turned out to be guys who do drugs in their presence[[/note]]. Where prostitution is legal and regulated, #7 may be half-true for at least some--some might stiff her, but since she can sue them for her fee, this happens less often.

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Sometimes TruthInTelevision in regard to #1, #2 and #5, since the girls would try to avoid at all costs people who look dangerous, violent, gross, visibly drunk or drugged, and respond to people who look nice, [[RightForTheWrongReasons for their own safety]][[note]]Seriously, when asked by reporters which is the quickest way to {{Squick}} them, it turned out to be [[HookersAndBlow guys who do drugs in their presence[[/note]].presence]][[/note]]. Where prostitution is legal and regulated, #7 may be half-true for at least some--some might stiff her, but since she can sue them for her fee, this happens less often.
6th Nov '17 5:48:25 AM Nautilus1
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Sometimes TruthInTelevision in regard to #1, #2 and #5, since the girls would try to avoid at all costs people who look dangerous, violent, gross, visibly drunk or drugged, and respond to people who look nice, [[RightForTheWrongReasons for their own safety]]. Where prostitution is legal and regulated, #7 may be half-true for at least some--some might stiff her, but since she can sue them for her fee, this happens less often.

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Sometimes TruthInTelevision in regard to #1, #2 and #5, since the girls would try to avoid at all costs people who look dangerous, violent, gross, visibly drunk or drugged, and respond to people who look nice, [[RightForTheWrongReasons for their own safety]].safety]][[note]]Seriously, when asked by reporters which is the quickest way to {{Squick}} them, it turned out to be guys who do drugs in their presence[[/note]]. Where prostitution is legal and regulated, #7 may be half-true for at least some--some might stiff her, but since she can sue them for her fee, this happens less often.
17th Sep '17 10:44:13 PM Pamina
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* ''Theatre/LaTraviata'' is a deconstruction similar to ''Film/MoulinRouge'', which owes a lot of inspiration to it. The audience's first impression of Violetta is of a lively, cheerfully cynical party girl who revels in the luxury and "freedom" of her life. But we soon learn just how lonely and unhappy she really is. Ultimately, all she wants is a quiet life in the country with a man who really loves her.

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* ''Theatre/LaTraviata'' is a deconstruction similar to ''Film/MoulinRouge'', which owes a lot of inspiration to it. The audience's first impression of Violetta is of a lively, cheerfully cynical party girl who revels in the luxury and "freedom" of her life. But we soon learn just how lonely and unhappy she really is. Ultimately, all she wants is a quiet life in the country with a man who really loves her.her... but she can't have that, because society views her as {{Defiled Forever}} and won't allow it.
17th Sep '17 10:03:08 PM Pamina
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* ''Theatre/LaTraviata'' is a deconstruction similar to ''Film/MoulinRouge'', which owes a lot of inspiration to it. The audience's first impression of Violetta is of a lively, cheerfully cynical party girl who revels in the luxury and "freedom" of her life. But we soon learn just how lonely and unhappy she really is. Ultimately, all she wants is a quiet life in the country with a man who really loves her.
5th Sep '17 5:16:55 PM Peteman
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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' both subverts and plays the trope straight. The first Velvet Room, Chicago's chief brothel, is run by the Red Court of Vampires (flabby, disgusting bat monsters with narcotic drool that can put on a [[VoluntaryShapeshifting 'Flesh Mask']] to look like the VampiresAreSexGods are concept) subverts this trope hard - the girls are hinted to be controlled by addiction to the narcotic saliva, they get fed on by the brothel's vampire Madame, Bianca St. Claire, who kills at least one when she loses control. She's also implied to recruit quite forcefully, with Thomas Raith relating that she hates him because she wanted his drop dead gorgeous girlfriend Justine to be one of her 'girls'. After Bianca, who [[NeverMyFault blames Dresden for provoking her and 'making' her kill her favourite prostitute/lover]], makes an enemy of Dresden and gets burned to ash along with the rest of the Velvet Room, the city's resident NobleDemon crime lord Gentleman John Marcone sets up the new Velvet Room, effectively disguised as a gym/health club about which this trope is discussed: [[FriendOnTheForce Sergeant Murphy]] remarks that the girls in places like this are usually well paid, given/required to have medical tests on a regular basis, and volunteers not coerced or controlled by drugs or violence - all of which fits very much Marcone's habits of being good to his employees and savage in his retribution towards those who harm them. So, aside from token gestures, the cops don't generally do anything because they have bigger problems. However, it is clear that this is not the norm outside of Marcone's control.

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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' both subverts and plays the trope straight. The first Velvet Room, Chicago's chief brothel, is run by the Red Court of Vampires (flabby, disgusting bat monsters with narcotic drool that can put on a [[VoluntaryShapeshifting 'Flesh Mask']] to look like the VampiresAreSexGods are concept) subverts this trope hard - the girls are hinted to be controlled by addiction to the narcotic saliva, they get fed on by the brothel's vampire Madame, Bianca St. Claire, who kills at least one when she loses control. She's also implied to recruit quite forcefully, with Thomas Raith relating that she hates him because she wanted his drop dead gorgeous girlfriend Justine to be one of her 'girls'. After Bianca, who [[NeverMyFault blames Dresden for provoking her and 'making' her kill her favourite prostitute/lover]], makes an enemy of Dresden and gets burned to ash along with the rest of the Velvet Room, the city's resident NobleDemon crime lord Gentleman John Marcone sets up the new Velvet Room, effectively disguised as a gym/health club about which this trope is discussed: [[FriendOnTheForce Sergeant Murphy]] remarks that the girls in places like this are usually well paid, given/required to have medical tests on a regular basis, and volunteers not coerced or controlled by drugs or violence - all of which fits very much Marcone's habits of being good to his employees and savage in his retribution towards those who harm them. So, aside from token gestures, the cops don't generally do anything because they have bigger problems. However, it is clear that this is not the norm outside of Marcone's control.
4th Sep '17 8:28:32 AM Peteman
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* Both played more or less straight and brutally subverted in ''Karen Memory''. The title/PoV character works at the Hotel Mon Cherie (sic), a bordello run by a madam who truly cares about her girls and where most of the unsavory men in town are priced out of the clientele. However, even there not all of said girls are of age (Karen herself is 17; another girl, Bea, is younger) and it's uncertain whether they enjoy their work- Karen, a lesbian, gets no sexual gratification out of it and would rather be training horses. In an accurate reflection of the broad spectrum of sex work in TheWildWest, it's made plain that the Hotel is far from the norm. Karen's eventual girlfriend Priya and her sister Aashini were forced into sex work by the man who paid their passage from India- and who owns a dockside crib of mostly Chinese and Indian girls, drugged or beaten into submission. For an extra Steampunk twist of skeeviness, he also has a MindControlDevice that he uses with impunity on anyone and everyone who tries to oppose him.

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* Both played more or less straight and brutally subverted in ''Karen Memory''. The title/PoV character works at the Hotel Mon Cherie (sic), a bordello run by a madam who truly cares about her girls and where most of the unsavory men in town are priced out of the clientele. However, even there not all of said girls are of age (Karen herself is 17; another girl, Bea, is younger) and it's uncertain whether they enjoy their work- Karen, a lesbian, gets no sexual gratification out of it and would rather be training horses. In an accurate reflection of the broad spectrum of sex work in TheWildWest, it's made plain that the Hotel is far from the norm. Karen's eventual girlfriend Priya and her sister Aashini were forced into sex work by the man who paid their passage from India- and who owns a dockside crib of mostly Chinese and Indian girls, drugged or beaten into submission. For an extra Steampunk twist of skeeviness, he also has a MindControlDevice that he uses with impunity on anyone and everyone who tries to oppose him.
29th Aug '17 5:39:09 AM PumpkinMuffin
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* Both played more or less straight and brutally subverted in ''Karen Memory''. The title/PoV character works at the Hotel Mon Cherie (sic), a bordello run by a madam who truly cares about her girls and where most of the unsavory men in town are priced out of the clientele. However, even there not all of said girls are of age (Karen herself is 17; another girl, Bea, is younger) and it's uncertain whether they enjoy their work- Karen, a lesbian, gets no sexual gratification out of it and would rather be training horses. In an accurate reflection of the broad spectrum of sex work in TheWildWest, it's made plain that the Hotel is far from the norm. Karen's eventual girlfriend Priya and her sister Aashini were forced into sex work by the man who paid their passage from India- and who owns a dockside crib of mostly Chinese and Indian girls, drugged or beaten into submission. For an extra Steampunk twist of skeeviness, he also has a MindControlDevice that he uses with impunity on anyone and everyone who tries to oppose him.
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