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23rd May '16 10:32:14 PM BadassAgamemnon
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** Perhaps the biggest shockers many mainstream Christians as well as believers of other faiths have when reading the bible is Jesus Christ himself. While he is most definitely portrayed in a heroic light, he was not portrayed as the [[SuicidalPacifism Suicidal Pacifist]] that he is often both praised and criticized for in modern religious debates and studies.
***For one, his turning of the cheek quote is often misinterpreted as never using any aggression at all, not even owning a weapon or having a police force. However right before his death, he warned his apostles to get swords, telling them to even sell their clothing if they are too poor to afford one.
*** The notion Jesus Christ will save the whole world in the end particularly in his second coming as many fictional apocalyptic stories with a Biblical theme often portrays is directly contradicted in the Bible. One of the chapter in Luke mentions Jesus stating "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them ... bring them here and slay them before me." Multiple quotes across the various books of the new Testament Jesus emphasize that those who do not accept him will be condemned to hell for eternity upon his second coming.
**** Related with that is Jesus' concept of being saved. Most Christian sects and to a degree so many Catholics believe that because Jesus Christ died to save man from his sins, so long as they are Christians they will be saved. However the New Testament mentions so many times that Jesus states that "hypocritical believers" were never accepted by him and often he mentions how even true believers will face terrible wraith for their sins by his second coming. He mentions many times so many criteria that have to be followed to not only be saved but even be qualified to believe him. Even in the case where he forgave individuals, he often gave a warning if they repeat their sins again, the Father will invoke his wraith and Jesus gave on several occasions duty for sinners to cleanse themselves of past sins. There are a few quotes in the New Testament about specific sins being so evil that even nonbelievers are deemed by Jesus Christ as far worthier.
*** The story about Jesus getting enraged and chasing out merchants out of the temple is the one story that shocks mainstream Christians and nonbelievers the most. Jesus in addition to the modern interpretation of being a suicidal pacifist, being lenient about sins and forgiving you easily so long as you believe, and seeking to save everyone in the end, is often portrayed as even in the worst of times as being optimistic and tranquil in modern interpretations and opinion. So when Christians and nonbelievers come across Jesus's cleansing of the temple, it is completely unexpected and makes many doubt the validity of their specific Church's doctrine. Those already familiar with the story too can be surprised that Jesus didn't just chased the merchants out, he actually made a whip out of chords and was violently hitting merchants and even customers as he chased them away from the Synagogue. A disciplined man who is willing to sacrifice his life for mankind Jesus was, but even he has his breaking limits and was not above using physical violence and rage for what was deemed as justice according to Jewish customs at the time.
23rd May '16 9:47:20 PM BadassAgamemnon
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An unbuilt trope is a work that ''seems'' like a {{deconstruction}} but is ''actually'' the {{Trope Maker|s}} itself.

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An unbuilt trope is a work that ''seems'' like a {{deconstruction}} but is ''actually'' the {{Trope Maker|s}} itself.
itself, in many cases even the TropeCodifier that popularized the trope and often {{Misblamed}} for the current saturated use of the trope itself .
21st May '16 10:50:57 PM redandready45
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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'': The show is the {{Trope Namer|s}} for the RunningGag of [[TheyKilledKennyAgain the character that dies in every episode, only to come back to life later]]. It also unbuilds the trope on several occasions.. In "Rainforest Shmainforest", Kenny's girlfriend actually provides resuscitates him and is annoyed by the fact that Stan and Kyle didn't. In "Kenny Dies", [[PlayedForDrama Kenny dies slowly from a degenerative disease, and the trauma the boys go through is heartbreaking]] Later episodes in the next season also deal with the fallout from his (temporary) death. [[spoiler: As it turns out, Kenny's immortality was the result of some "cult meeting" his drunken parents went to for money. Similarly he's grown tired of brutally dying several times and is tired of his friends not being able to remember it.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'': The show is the {{Trope Namer|s}} for the RunningGag of [[TheyKilledKennyAgain the character that dies in every episode, only to come back to life later]]. It also unbuilds the trope on several occasions.. occasions. In "Rainforest Shmainforest", Kenny's girlfriend actually provides resuscitates him and is annoyed by the fact that Stan and Kyle didn't. In "Kenny Dies", [[PlayedForDrama Kenny dies slowly from a degenerative disease, and the trauma the boys go through is heartbreaking]] Later with episodes in the next season also deal dealing with the fallout from his (temporary) death. [[spoiler: As it turns out, Kenny's immortality was the result of some "cult meeting" his drunken parents went to for money.free beer. Similarly he's grown tired of brutally dying several times and is tired of his friends not being able to remember it.]]
19th May '16 9:43:40 PM brtd
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* Minor Threat are sometimes cited as the first punk band to treat politics in a more socially conscious and "politically correct" way rather than just general rebellion, but they still are loaded with plenty of cynicism of the nature, such as in the very song titled "Minor Threat". But perhaps notably, no such punk band today would ever write a song about reverse racism titled "Guilty of Being White".

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* Minor Threat are sometimes cited as the first punk band to treat politics in a more socially conscious and "politically correct" way rather than just general rebellion, but they still rebellion and are loaded with plenty of cynicism of the nature, such as in the godfathers of most of today's political punk. But there were a lot of huge differences between them and w hat followed:
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very song titled they got their name from, "Minor Threat". But perhaps notably, no such punk band today would ever write Threat", is not meant to be sarcastic or ironic. Rather it's a song very cynical and self-depreciating take on growing into adulthood and admittance that they are in fact a "minor threat" to society and probably aren't going to change anything. The narrator is actually lamenting how he should grow into adulthood like most people but just can't seem to.
** Rather than talk
about reverse racism titled white privilege, they have "Guilty of Being White".White", a song complaining about reverse racism and discrimination against whites that existed in Washington, DC at the time.
19th May '16 9:33:37 PM brtd
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* Minor Threat are sometimes cited as the first punk band to treat politics in a more socially conscious and "politically correct" way rather than just general rebellion, but they still are loaded with plenty of cynicism of the nature, such as in the very song titled "Minor Threat". But perhaps notably, no such punk band today would ever write a song called "Guilty of Being White".

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* Minor Threat are sometimes cited as the first punk band to treat politics in a more socially conscious and "politically correct" way rather than just general rebellion, but they still are loaded with plenty of cynicism of the nature, such as in the very song titled "Minor Threat". But perhaps notably, no such punk band today would ever write a song called about reverse racism titled "Guilty of Being White".White".
** The song "Straight Edge" may have birthed the straightedge movement, but doesn't sound like a modern straightedge anthem at all. Rather than being militant or obsessed with purity, the narrator is simply someone who seems to regard drugs as not fun and a waste of time while he has better things to do. The song isn't even critical of drinking alcohol, just drinking to excess and drunkeness.
18th May '16 10:19:53 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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* Somebody who thinks that celebrity tabloids are nothing but vapid, pointless gossip would likely be shocked if they were to read old issues of ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidential_(magazine) Confidential]]'', the magazine that invented the modern celebrity tabloid in TheFifties. It was as gossipy as any of its heirs, but its reporting on celebrity misdeeds was meant to serve a point: namely, to whip up outrage and moral indignation about the [[HorribleHollywood 'corruption' in Hollywood]] through muckraking journalism of a sort that they felt the rest of the press was too afraid to touch. In particular, it was a driver of UsefulNotes/TheHollywoodBlacklist, with editor Howard Rushmore (who had previously been a director of research for Senator Joe [=McCarthy=] himself) seeking to destroy alleged communists and fellow travelers in Hollywood by smearing them as sexual deviants. For all the stereotypes of the tabloids being major players in the HollywoodHypeMachine, they were originally a reactionary effort to demolish that system.
13th May '16 2:10:29 AM Jerry
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*** Its precedessor, the german film Das Millionenspiel (1971), turns the manhunt into a regular and voluntary event, with the production team trying to keep things interesting by helping the side at disadvantage off-camera to get a climatic showdown. During the show, the candidate for the next run is already revealed and interviewed. Unlike following films the hunt itself is neither questioned nor fought against by the participants (although it's shown to be controversial).
12th May '16 9:00:00 PM Berrenta
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* ''Anime/SailorMoon'', and the MagicalGirlWarrior genre inspired by it, is cited as being at the extreme idealistic end of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, favoring ThePowerOfFriendship over a bullet between the eyes as a way to defeat evil. [[LostInImitation But in the original [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]], the Sailor Senshi rarely attempted to redeem villains and had no problem with killing them.]] This concept got revived with [[AntiHero Sailors Uranus and Neptune]] in their anime debut.

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* ''Anime/SailorMoon'', and the MagicalGirlWarrior genre inspired by it, is cited as being at the extreme idealistic end of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, favoring ThePowerOfFriendship over a bullet between the eyes as a way to defeat evil. [[LostInImitation But in the original original]] [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]], the Sailor Senshi rarely attempted to redeem villains and had no problem with killing them.]] them. This concept got revived with [[AntiHero Sailors Uranus and Neptune]] in their anime debut.
10th May '16 3:50:49 PM pinkdalek
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* Cloud wasn't [[TropeMakers the first]] stereotypical spiky-haired angsty JRPG hero, but he is most certainly [[TropeCodifier the first one people think of]]. However, viewed backwards, Cloud in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' is a deconstruction of that exact stereotype, in that while his serious issues are treated sympathetically, you are supposed to dislike him for his [[{{Wangst}} selfishness]] and shortsightedness, and his masculinity is constantly challenged by having him succeed in humiliating ways. His angst is frequently played for BlackComedy as well as for drama, and even his AnimeHair is criticized by the game. His quest to take down Sephiroth is alarmingly one-sided, to the point of a StalkerWithACrush-style obsession that even the other characters find disturbing. On top of all this, he's [[spoiler:not even ''supposed'' to be TheHero; that guy (Zack) got killed, and now his sidekick (Cloud) is trying to take his place. He's [[ThisLoserIsYou literally role playing a hero to escape from his own terrible self-esteem and inability to talk to girls]]]].
** Cloud Strife is frequently viewed as the TropeCodifier of the angsty pretty-boy JRPG hero, but his dialogue is a lot less angsty in his game than many remember. If anything, [[MsFanservice Tifa]] or [[BigBad Sephiroth]] wear their neuroses on their sleeves much more openly than the protagonist.

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* Cloud wasn't [[TropeMakers the first]] stereotypical spiky-haired angsty JRPG hero, but he is most certainly [[TropeCodifier the first one people think of]]. However, viewed backwards, Cloud in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' is a deconstruction of that exact stereotype, in that while his serious issues are treated sympathetically, you are his attitude is supposed to dislike him for come off as being adolescent and irritating, and the other player characters view it as an annoyance or a big joke if they buy into it at all. He has masculine complexes about being strong and protecting the girls, but the female characters aren't interested in his [[{{Wangst}} selfishness]] StayInTheKitchen attitude and shortsightedness, they both end up saving ''him'' in the end, not the other way around. The sheer absurdity of his {{BFS}} and AnimeHair comes across as parody, especially in his masculinity {{Character Tic}}s using them. While his AngstComa is constantly challenged by having him succeed in humiliating ways. His angst is frequently dramatic, it's played for BlackComedy as well as for drama, slight BlackComedy, and even his AnimeHair is criticized by results in him spasming in a wheelchair rather than any more romantic or pretty visual. Then there's the game. His quest to take down Sephiroth is alarmingly one-sided, to the point of a StalkerWithACrush-style obsession that even the other characters find disturbing. On top of all this, main thrust - he's [[spoiler:not even ''supposed'' to be TheHero; that guy (Zack) got killed, and now his sidekick friend (Cloud) is trying to take his place. He's [[ThisLoserIsYou literally role playing a hero to escape from his own terrible self-esteem and inability to talk to girls]]]].
self-loathing]]]].
** Cloud Strife is [[DeadUnicornTrope frequently viewed as as]] the TropeCodifier of the angsty pretty-boy JRPG hero, but his dialogue is a lot less angsty in his game than many remember. If anything, [[MsFanservice Tifa]] or [[BigBad Sephiroth]] wear their neuroses on their sleeves much more openly than the protagonist.



** Lightning in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' was designed to resemble Cloud and her game contains multiple lines and details pointing this out ("You were a soldier, weren't you?"), but she's presented seriously as the kind of cold-hearted badass Cloud [[IJustWantToBeBadass wished he was]] rather than TheMentallyDisturbed dork that Cloud actually is, even [[ADarkerMe during the depths of his performance]]. The result is that Cloud comes off as a {{Deconstruction}} of her, even though he's the character she's based on. Pointed out in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' where Cloud tells her he sees her as 'the real warrior' when compared to himself.

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** Lightning in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' was designed to resemble Cloud and her game contains multiple lines and details pointing this out ("You were a soldier, weren't you?"), but she's presented seriously as the kind of cold-hearted badass Cloud [[IJustWantToBeBadass wished he was]] rather than TheMentallyDisturbed dork that Cloud actually is, even [[ADarkerMe during the depths of his performance]]. is. The result is that Cloud comes off as a {{Deconstruction}} of her, even though he's ''he's'' the character she's ''she's'' based on. Pointed out in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' where Cloud tells her he sees her as 'the real warrior' when compared to himself.
5th May '16 2:20:06 PM aye_amber
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* The band that in 1978 released the self-titled ''Van Halen'' is definitely not the caricature that typified the later HairMetal bands with which Music/VanHalen is often identified. Eddie’s guitar solos on this album, while impressive, are not as gonzo as the ones later heard from copycat groups like QuietRiot (or, for that matter, as the ones on later Van Halen records); their emphasis is on artistry, rather than shock value or cheesiness. Van Halen also deconstruct the “party-animal” image of the later groups: while the tone of the first album is ''generally'' lighthearted, there are also some brooding, relatively low-key songs such as “Ain’t Talkin’ ’Bout Love.”

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* The band that in 1978 released the self-titled ''Van Halen'' is definitely not the caricature that typified the later HairMetal bands with which Music/VanHalen is often identified. Eddie’s guitar solos on this album, while impressive, are not as gonzo as the ones later heard from copycat groups like QuietRiot Music/QuietRiot (or, for that matter, as the ones on later Van Halen records); their emphasis is on artistry, rather than shock value or cheesiness. Van Halen also deconstruct the “party-animal” image of the later groups: while the tone of the first album is ''generally'' lighthearted, there are also some brooding, relatively low-key songs such as “Ain’t Talkin’ ’Bout Love.”
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