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13th Mar '18 8:12:53 PM kome360
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** Double-Subverted with [[spoiler:Venom Snake and Liquid Snake]]; the former tries to be a somewhat competent parent-figure to the latter, but the latter is too broken to recognize it as anything other than abusive contempt.
14th Feb '18 8:05:52 PM ectostar
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Compare this phenomenon to KickTheDog, except that the designated kicker was a Kicked Dog themself, making it Dog Kicks Littler Dog. If a writer ''really'' wants to play this up, he or she can have a whole ''chain'' of Dogs kicking down the line in this fashion. If a whole chain of these is used, you can reasonably expect it to be used for AnAesop about [[TheChainOfHarm how abuse only begets abuse]].

Compare the TroubledSympatheticBigot, whose bigotry is seldom portrayed as sympathetic due to the ugly reputation bigotry has gained over the years, but is nevertheless a sympathetic person. The Troubled Abuser, given that (s)he is, well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin troubled]], automatically gains some measure of [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status due to his or her status as troubled being out in the open, but unlike bigotry, abuse is less likely to be portrayed in an unsympathetic light. Sometimes, the Troubled Abuser may ''also'' be a TroubledSympatheticBigot.

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Compare this phenomenon to KickTheDog, except that the designated kicker was a Kicked Dog themself, making it Dog Kicks Littler Dog. If a writer ''really'' wants to play this up, he or she they can have a whole ''chain'' of Dogs kicking down the line in this fashion. If a whole chain of these is used, you can reasonably expect it to be used for AnAesop about [[TheChainOfHarm how abuse only begets abuse]].

Compare the TroubledSympatheticBigot, whose bigotry is seldom portrayed as sympathetic due to the ugly reputation bigotry has gained over the years, but is nevertheless a sympathetic person. The Troubled Abuser, given that (s)he is, they are, well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin troubled]], automatically gains some measure of [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status due to his or her their status as troubled being out in the open, but unlike bigotry, abuse is less likely to be portrayed in an unsympathetic light. Sometimes, the Troubled Abuser may ''also'' be a TroubledSympatheticBigot.



Comparable to, and sometimes overlapping with, FreudianExcuse, in which a villain cites a childhood of poor quality as having a role in his or her evil deeds or is revealed to have had a bad childhood in order to gain [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status. However, unlike a villain with a FreudianExcuse, the Troubled Abuser isn't just guilty of ''any'' morally questionable act, they are guilty of committing one or more of these acts against someone with whom they have or end up developing an interpersonal relationship. Additionally, the Troubled Abuser can be troubled in ways other than childhood experiences. Sometimes, the Troubled Abuser has a FreudianExcuse, in which case these two tropes overlap, but FreudianExcuse and Troubled Abuser are not exactly the same thing. For example, a serial killer who targets random women he doesn't know and is later revealed [[HarmfulToMinors to have witnessed]] [[DomesticAbuser his mother]] [[DomesticAbuse attack his father with a knife on a regular basis]] would go under FreudianExcuse, but would not be a Troubled Abuser because he is committing crimes, but not against people he has a relationship with, or even interacts with on a regular basis. [[AbusiveParents A female character who is the single mother of a child that she verbally abuses on a regular basis]], [[ParentalNeglect if she even gives the kid any attention at all]], but is revealed to be doing so because the kid is a ChildByRape and reminds her of her rapist is a Troubled Abuser without a doubt, but wouldn't fit under FreudianExcuse because the hard part of her life, as far as we know, did not happen in her childhood.

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Comparable to, and sometimes overlapping with, FreudianExcuse, in which a villain cites a childhood of poor quality as having a role in his or her their evil deeds or is revealed to have had a bad childhood in order to gain [[TheWoobie Woobie]] {{Woobie}} status. However, unlike a villain with a FreudianExcuse, the Troubled Abuser isn't just guilty of ''any'' morally questionable act, they are guilty of committing one or more of these acts against someone with whom they have or end up developing an interpersonal relationship. Additionally, the Troubled Abuser can be troubled in ways other than childhood experiences. Sometimes, the Troubled Abuser has a FreudianExcuse, in which case these two tropes overlap, but FreudianExcuse and Troubled Abuser are not exactly the same thing. For example, a serial killer who targets random women he doesn't know and is later revealed [[HarmfulToMinors to have witnessed]] [[DomesticAbuser his mother]] [[DomesticAbuse attack his father with a knife on a regular basis]] would go under FreudianExcuse, but would not be a Troubled Abuser because he is committing crimes, but not against people he has a relationship with, or even interacts with on a regular basis. [[AbusiveParents A female character who is the single mother of a child that she verbally abuses on a regular basis]], [[ParentalNeglect if she even gives the kid any attention at all]], but is revealed to be doing so because the kid is a ChildByRape and reminds her of her rapist is a Troubled Abuser without a doubt, but wouldn't fit under FreudianExcuse because the hard part of her life, as far as we know, did not happen in her childhood.



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14th Feb '18 7:56:44 PM ectostar
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-> '''Blackadder''': ''(kicks a cat across the room)''
-> '''Baldrick:''' Oh sir, poor little Mildred the cat, what's she ever done to you?
-> '''Blackadder:''' It is the way of the world, Baldrick, the abused always kick downwards: I'm annoyed, and so I kick the cat, the cat ''(mouse squeaks)'' pounces on the mouse, and finally the mouse...
-> '''Baldrick:''' ''(jumps in pain)''
-> '''Blackadder:''' ...bites you on the behind.
-> '''Baldrick:''' And what do I do?
-> '''Blackadder:''' Nothing, you are last in God's great chain, Baldrick. Unless, of course, there's an earwig around here that you'd like to victimize.

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-> '''Blackadder''': ''(kicks a cat across the room)''
-> '''Baldrick:'''
room)''\\
'''Baldrick''':
Oh sir, poor little Mildred the cat, what's she ever done to you?
-> '''Blackadder:'''
you?\\
'''Blackadder''':
It is the way of the world, Baldrick, the abused always kick downwards: I'm annoyed, and so I kick the cat, the cat ''(mouse squeaks)'' pounces on the mouse, and finally the mouse...
-> '''Baldrick:'''
mouse...\\
'''Baldrick''':
''(jumps in pain)''
-> '''Blackadder:''' ...
pain)''\\
'''Blackadder''': ...
bites you on the behind.
-> '''Baldrick:'''
behind.\\
'''Baldrick''':
And what do I do?
-> '''Blackadder:'''
do?\\
'''Blackadder''':
Nothing, you are last in God's great chain, Baldrick. Unless, of course, there's an earwig around here that you'd like to victimize.



Compare this phenomenon to KickTheDog, except that the designated kicker was a Kicked Dog themself, making it Dog Kicks Littler Dog. If a writer ''really'' wants to play this up, he or she can have a whole ''chain'' of Dogs kicking down the line in this fashion. If a whole chain of these is used, you can reasonably expect it to be used for AnAesop about how abuse only begets abuse.

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Compare this phenomenon to KickTheDog, except that the designated kicker was a Kicked Dog themself, making it Dog Kicks Littler Dog. If a writer ''really'' wants to play this up, he or she can have a whole ''chain'' of Dogs kicking down the line in this fashion. If a whole chain of these is used, you can reasonably expect it to be used for AnAesop about [[TheChainOfHarm how abuse only begets abuse.
abuse]].



-->'''Homer:''' He said I was an accident, he didn't wanna have me.\\
'''Marge:''' You didn't want to have Bart.\\
'''Homer:''' Yeah but you're not supposed to tell the child.\\
'''Marge:''' You tell Bart all the time, you told him this morning.\\
'''Homer:''' *flustered* But when I do it it's cute!

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-->'''Homer:''' -->'''Homer''': He said I was an accident, he didn't wanna have me.\\
'''Marge:''' '''Marge''': You didn't want to have Bart.\\
'''Homer:''' '''Homer''': Yeah but you're not supposed to tell the child.\\
'''Marge:''' '''Marge''': You tell Bart all the time, you told him this morning.\\
'''Homer:''' '''Homer''': *flustered* But when I do it it's cute!
11th Feb '18 10:43:01 PM DesiredUsernameTaken
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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': Mr. Cat regularly abuses Quack Quack, and sometimes Stumpy, for no apparent reason. He also had an abusive and neglectful family.

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** * ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': Mr. Cat regularly abuses Quack Quack, and sometimes Stumpy, for no apparent reason. He also had an abusive and neglectful family.
11th Feb '18 10:42:31 PM DesiredUsernameTaken
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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': Mr. Cat regularly abuses Quack Quack, and sometimes Stumpy, for no apparent reason. He also had an abusive and neglectful family.
16th Jan '18 5:37:40 PM oforiousmic
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** Klaus from ''Manga/MaidenRose'' (drug-addicted, with lots of {{conflicted loyalt|y}}ies, a love interest [[TheChainsOfCommanding with]] [[BrokenMessiah his own]] [[WarriorPrince and strong]] [[CantHaveSexEver issues]]);

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** Klaus from ''Manga/MaidenRose'' (drug-addicted, with lots of {{conflicted {{conflicting loyalt|y}}ies, a love interest [[TheChainsOfCommanding with]] [[BrokenMessiah his own]] [[WarriorPrince and strong]] [[CantHaveSexEver issues]]);
2nd Dec '17 11:26:18 PM Scabbard
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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' has Asuka, who constantly berates, belittles, and curses Shinji despite sharing an apartment with him and honestly wanting his attention. It's revealed that her mother died while her father was cheating on her, and she failed to get the affection of her guardian Kaji. She's left trying to pursue Shinji while still trying to keep him from from getting close to her, causing her and him no end of stress.

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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' has Asuka, who constantly berates, belittles, and curses Shinji despite sharing an apartment with him and honestly wanting his attention. It's revealed that her after an experiment gone wrong, Asuka's mother died while was driven mad and began treating a doll like it was her child and ignored her real daughter. Meanwhile, Asuka discovers her father was is cheating on her, and she failed to get her mother with her mother's nurse. Asuka then finds her mother hanging from the affection of ceiling, the little daughter doll hanging beside her. Asuka then throws all her guardian Kaji.desperate affections at Kaji who gently turns her down, but his kindness only feels like pity. She's left trying to pursue Shinji while still trying to keep him from from getting close to her, causing her and him no end of stress.
11th Nov '17 6:57:28 PM ironballs16
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* Kousei's [[ParentalAbuse mother]] in ''Manga/YourLieInApril'' is eventually revealed to be this - [[spoiler: the reason she was such a stickler for [[TechnicianVsPerformer playing the music as-written]] was due to her illness giving her only so much time to spend with him, and wanting to make sure he could provide for himself when she was gone]].
1st Nov '17 1:52:59 AM darkemyst
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** Severus Snape is notable for his being a SadistTeacher who favors Slytherins over those from other Houses and dishing out cruelty, insults, and strictness to the latter. However, starting from ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', the reader discovers that he is one of these. He was bullied throughout his school years by the Marauders, hinted to have had an abusive father and neglectful mother, and [[spoiler:lost any chance of being with his one true love, Lily Evans, when he called her a FantasticSlur. Then he had to watch her date and marry one of his bullies (who, unlike Snape, has learned his lessons and ''stopped'' being a {{Jerkass}}) and have a child with him. Finally, she ended up dying for that child, despite his attempts to make a deal with Voldemort to save her life.]] He then spends the next sixteen years trying to make up for what he's done [[spoiler: and playing a vital role as Dumbledore's double agent]]...while in a parallel bullying Neville to the point of traumatizing him, psychologically abusing Harry due to his heritage, verbally abusing Hermione when she's crying over having been humiliated by Draco, etc.
** Sirius subjects his house-elf, Kreacher, to a barrage of verbal and physical abuse because he is a reminder of his rotten childhood caused by his status as TheUnfavourite [[ParentalFavoritism in the eyes of his parents, who unsubtly liked his brother Regulus better than him]]. Even after he left his AbusiveParents, he couldn't catch a break. His best friends have been betrayed by someone they thought was their friend, resulting in their death and orphaning their son and Sirius's godson. To top it all off, ''he'' was blamed for every crime that said false friend committed and sent to [[FateWorseThanDeath Azkaban]], where he was subjected to enough MindRape to make him YoungerThanTheyLook.

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** Severus Snape is notable for his being a SadistTeacher who favors Slytherins over those from other Houses and dishing out cruelty, insults, and strictness to the latter. However, starting from ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', the reader discovers that he is one of these. He was bullied throughout his school years by the Marauders, Marauders (though it's unclear whether he or they instigated their antagonistic relationship), hinted to have had an abusive or at least neglectful father and neglectful mother, and [[spoiler:lost any chance of being with his one true love, Lily Evans, when he called her a FantasticSlur. FantasticSlur and joined a hate group. Then he had to watch her date and marry one of his bullies (who, unlike Snape, has learned his lessons and ''stopped'' ''[[ReformedBully stopped]]'' being a {{Jerkass}}) and have a child with him. Finally, she ended up dying for that child, despite his attempts to make a deal with Voldemort to save her life.]] He then spends the next sixteen years trying to make up for what he's done [[spoiler: and playing a vital role as Dumbledore's double agent]]...while in a parallel bullying Neville to the point of traumatizing him, psychologically abusing Harry due to his heritage, verbally abusing Hermione when she's crying over having been humiliated by Draco, (note that these are all ''children'') etc.
** Sirius subjects his house-elf, Kreacher, to a barrage of verbal and physical abuse in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order of the Phoenix]]'' because he is goes out of his way to be a reminder of his Sirius' rotten childhood caused by his status as TheUnfavourite [[ParentalFavoritism in the eyes of his parents, who unsubtly liked his brother Regulus better than him]].him]] while they are stuck in the same house for a year due to Sirius being under a Dumbledore imposed house arrest. Even after he left his AbusiveParents, he couldn't catch a break. His best friends have been were betrayed by someone they thought was their friend, resulting in their death and the deaths of two of them orphaning their son and son, Sirius's godson. To top it all off, ''he'' was blamed for every crime that said false friend committed and sent to [[FateWorseThanDeath Azkaban]], where he was subjected to enough MindRape to make him YoungerThanTheyLook.
16th Sep '17 4:59:40 PM Owlorange1995
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