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4th Sep '17 5:53:48 PM StarSword
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* One ''Webcomic/TerminalLance'' [[http://terminallance.com/2012/05/01/terminal-lance-ultimatum-marine-corps-times/ strip]] features a Marine who ''wanted'' to go to prison, but was sent into the military because the judge didn't like him.

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* One ''Webcomic/TerminalLance'' [[http://terminallance.com/2012/05/01/terminal-lance-ultimatum-marine-corps-times/ strip]] features a Marine who ''wanted'' to go to prison, but was sent into the military because he [[TheGeneralsDaughter slept with the judge didn't like him.judge's daughter]].
21st Aug '17 2:45:37 PM StarSword
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* One episode of ''Series/{{Castle}}'' reveals that Detective Javier Esposito has a juvie record. A school teacher got him straightened out, and he went on to become a Special Forces sniper and eventually an NYPD homicide detective.
7th Aug '17 1:11:57 PM isolato
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* [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships British Royal Navy]] during the UsefulNotes/NapoleonicWars used to supplement its crews, consisting primarily of volunteers and [[PressGanged pressed merchant sailors]], with the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quota_System_(Royal_Navy) Quota System]], which in practice often resulted in inducting men who were [[GotVolunteered not quite voluntary]] trading bars for stripes.

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* [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships British Royal Navy]] during the UsefulNotes/NapoleonicWars UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars used to supplement its crews, consisting primarily of volunteers and [[PressGanged pressed merchant sailors]], with the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quota_System_(Royal_Navy) Quota System]], which in practice often resulted in inducting men who were [[GotVolunteered not quite voluntary]] trading bars for stripes.
7th Aug '17 1:07:41 PM isolato
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* [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships British Royal Navy]] during the UsefulNotes/NapoleonicWars used to supplement its crews, consisting primarily of volunteers and [[PressGanged pressed merchant sailors]], with the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quota_System_(Royal_Navy) Quota System]], which in practice often resulted in inducting men who were [[GotVolunteered not quite voluntary]] trading bars for stripes.
23rd Jul '17 3:18:42 PM nombretomado
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* During WW2, the British armed forces and merchant marine reluctantly accepted drafts from prisons, of cons offered remission or pardon provided they joined up. Most of the time this worked, after a fashion, with close supervision and intelligent management. But the Merchant Navy slipped up with a draft from the notorious Barlinnie prison in Glasgow. Despite urgent advice, men from Barlinnie who had been part of street gangs were not broken up into smaller groups and separated. One ship out of Glasgow found (having accepted the superficially reasonable argument that "mates" should be allowed to serve together) that it had two of the most vicious [[ViolentGlaswegian Glaswegian]] street gangs forming a significant part of its ship's company. One protestant and one Catholic, who continually fought each other as well as antagonising the ship's regular company of sailors. Extra provosts had to be drafted aboard in mid-Atlantic to prevent things completely breaking down. Once in the USA, many of the Glaswegian gangsters rioted in New York and Boston, straining relations between the USA and Great Britain. Many simply deserted and joined New York gangs, bringing [[GlasgowGrin Glaswegian levels of violence]] to a city that already had the Mafia. Sorry, USA.

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* During WW2, [=WW2=], the British armed forces and merchant marine reluctantly accepted drafts from prisons, of cons offered remission or pardon provided they joined up. Most of the time this worked, after a fashion, with close supervision and intelligent management. But the Merchant Navy slipped up with a draft from the notorious Barlinnie prison in Glasgow. Despite urgent advice, men from Barlinnie who had been part of street gangs were not broken up into smaller groups and separated. One ship out of Glasgow found (having accepted the superficially reasonable argument that "mates" should be allowed to serve together) that it had two of the most vicious [[ViolentGlaswegian Glaswegian]] street gangs forming a significant part of its ship's company. One protestant and one Catholic, who continually fought each other as well as antagonising the ship's regular company of sailors. Extra provosts had to be drafted aboard in mid-Atlantic to prevent things completely breaking down. Once in the USA, many of the Glaswegian gangsters rioted in New York and Boston, straining relations between the USA and Great Britain. Many simply deserted and joined New York gangs, bringing [[GlasgowGrin Glaswegian levels of violence]] to a city that already had the Mafia. Sorry, USA.
27th May '17 2:17:15 PM nombretomado
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* [[SociopathicSoldier Animal Mother]] in ''The Short-Timers'', a VietnamWar era novel by Gustav Hasford, was given a choice between prison and the [[SemperFi Marine Corps]]. He came to regret his choice.

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* [[SociopathicSoldier Animal Mother]] in ''The Short-Timers'', a VietnamWar UsefulNotes/VietnamWar era novel by Gustav Hasford, was given a choice between prison and the [[SemperFi Marine Corps]]. He came to regret his choice.



* The US made use of this trope during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI First]] and [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Second World War]] and even as late as the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. It was not unusual for judges to [[LeonineContract offer this deal]] to those of [[{{Conscription}} draft age]]. However, this practice was banned by act of Congress at the request of the military after Vietnam, and nowadays it is very difficult to join up with a criminal record, even a juvenile one (you have to obtain a waiver, which is not easy). This [[http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/joinprison.htm page on About.com]] even cites various official military regulations that bar any such enlistments.

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* The US made use of this trope during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI First]] and [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Second World War]] and even as late as the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar.UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. It was not unusual for judges to [[LeonineContract offer this deal]] to those of [[{{Conscription}} draft age]]. However, this practice was banned by act of Congress at the request of the military after Vietnam, and nowadays it is very difficult to join up with a criminal record, even a juvenile one (you have to obtain a waiver, which is not easy). This [[http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/joinprison.htm page on About.com]] even cites various official military regulations that bar any such enlistments.
14th May '17 3:01:00 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/StarCraft'': Terran soldiers tend to be "neurally resocialized" convicts. Tychus Findley is a specific example who used to be a thief and an old friend of Raynor's, who was on ice for years before [[spoiler:Emperor Mengsk thawed him out and fitted him with armor that would kill him if removed so he could infiltrate the rebellion and assassinate Kerrigan.]] It should be noted that the convicts don't always get a choice in the matter, as demonstrated in the ''Frontline'' comic which features a resocced political dissident.

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* ''Franchise/StarCraft'': ''VideoGame/StarCraft'': Terran soldiers tend to be "neurally resocialized" convicts. Tychus Findley is a specific example who used to be a thief and an old friend of Raynor's, who was on ice for years before [[spoiler:Emperor Mengsk thawed him out and fitted him with armor that would kill him if removed so he could infiltrate the rebellion and assassinate Kerrigan.]] It should be noted that the convicts don't always get a choice in the matter, as demonstrated in the ''Frontline'' comic which features a resocced political dissident.
12th Apr '17 7:10:05 AM RobTan
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* Referenced in ''Series/ThirtyRock'', Tracy Jordan is forced to record a PSA, saying that he can't turn down community service, "'cause if I do, taht judge is gonna make me join the Coast Guard".

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* Referenced in ''Series/ThirtyRock'', Tracy Jordan is forced to record a PSA, saying that he can't turn down community service, "'cause if I do, taht that judge is gonna make me join the Coast Guard".
26th Feb '17 7:06:22 AM RustyBill
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* Ross Murdock is recruited from prison by ''Literature/TheTimeTraders''.
26th Feb '17 6:49:39 AM StFan
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* The ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' fanfic "Adulthood of a Modern Dynasty" has a JerkAss named Kamajirou who shows up early on. He turns up later as part of the trainees for the newly formed Anything Goes Task Force. When asked what he's doing here, he explains he committed crimes, but the judge offered him a commuted sentence if he agreed to join up with the Japanese military.

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* The ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' fanfic "Adulthood of a Modern Dynasty" has a JerkAss {{Jerkass}} named Kamajirou who shows up early on. He turns up later as part of the trainees for the newly formed Anything Goes Task Force. When asked what he's doing here, he explains he committed crimes, but the judge offered him a commuted sentence if he agreed to join up with the Japanese military.



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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': Since there's no shortage of capital crimes in the Imperium of Man, criminals sentenced to death are often given the choice to join a penal legion rather than being executed. Usually they're used as CannonFodder, but ''Literature/TheLastChancers'' novel series concerns a legion composed of convicts with skills that make them more useful (for instance, the viewpoint character is ex-[[Characters/Warhammer40000ImperialGuard Imperial Guard]]).
* One of the old standards for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' campaigns. Either an individual character (usually a rogue) is paroled by the justice system to serve under another player to justify them going along with an alignment-inappropriate plot, or the entire party is pressed into service as penance for a crime by the local sheriff (said crime possibly being a frame job specifically to get them to work for free).
** Can be used as a form of RailRoading if employed to force a party that's been wandering back on track.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': Since there's no shortage of capital crimes in the Imperium of Man, criminals sentenced to death are often given the choice to join a penal legion rather than being executed. Usually they're used as CannonFodder, but ''Literature/TheLastChancers'' novel series concerns a legion composed of convicts with skills that make them more useful (for instance, the viewpoint character is ex-[[Characters/Warhammer40000ImperialGuard Imperial Guard]]).
* One of the old standards for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' campaigns. Either an individual character (usually a rogue) is paroled by the justice system to serve under another player to justify them going along with an alignment-inappropriate plot, or the entire party is pressed into service as penance for a crime by the local sheriff (said crime possibly being a frame job specifically to get them to work for free).
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free). Can be used as a form of RailRoading if employed to force a party that's been wandering back on track.



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* One ''TerminalLance'' [[http://terminallance.com/2012/05/01/terminal-lance-ultimatum-marine-corps-times/ strip]] features a Marine who ''wanted'' to go to prison, but was sent into the military because the judge didn't like him.

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* One ''TerminalLance'' ''Webcomic/TerminalLance'' [[http://terminallance.com/2012/05/01/terminal-lance-ultimatum-marine-corps-times/ strip]] features a Marine who ''wanted'' to go to prison, but was sent into the military because the judge didn't like him.



* There were several flavours of this in the Red Army during WorldWarTwo.

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* There were several flavours flavors of this in the Red Army during WorldWarTwo.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.



** Disgraced Red Army personnel whose service earned them (back) the right to serve in the Army and avoid imprisonment. Their crimes included cowardice (all ranks) or gross incompetence (Officers and NCOs). Personnel who had not escaped enemy captivity of their own volition were regarded as suspect due to reports of up half a million Soviet POW defecting to serve the Germans as ''Hiwi'' ('Hilfswiliger') troops for 'anti-Partisan' (including TheHolocaust) and logistics duties. Recaptured personnel were allowed to prove their commitment to the anti-Fascist cause by serving in ''Shtrafbaty'', Penal Batallions modelled on those of the contemporary ''Wehrmacht''. Service terms were just 1-3 months, but permanent losses (captured, dead, crippled) averaged about 50% of the total combat forces per three months in 1941, 25% in 1942, 17% in 1943, 12% in 1944, and 5% in 1945. ''Shtrafbaty'' losses were always higher because they were used for the toughest fighting.

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** Disgraced Red Army personnel whose service earned them (back) the right to serve in the Army and avoid imprisonment. Their crimes included cowardice (all ranks) or gross incompetence (Officers and NCOs). Personnel who had not escaped enemy captivity of their own volition were regarded as suspect due to reports of up half a million Soviet POW defecting to serve the Germans as ''Hiwi'' ('Hilfswiliger') ("Hilfswiliger") troops for 'anti-Partisan' "anti-Partisan" (including TheHolocaust) and logistics duties. Recaptured personnel were allowed to prove their commitment to the anti-Fascist cause by serving in ''Shtrafbaty'', Penal Batallions modelled on those of the contemporary ''Wehrmacht''. Service terms were just 1-3 months, but permanent losses (captured, dead, crippled) averaged about 50% of the total combat forces per three months in 1941, 25% in 1942, 17% in 1943, 12% in 1944, and 5% in 1945. ''Shtrafbaty'' losses were always higher because they were used for the toughest fighting.
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