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27th Jun '17 11:37:34 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* This trope is [[GenreSavvy (probably) the reason]] Harper Lee took over half a century to publish anything after ''Literature/ToKillAMockingbird''. (She eventually published ''Go Set a Watchman'', a book she wrote before ''To Kill a Mockingbird''.)

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* This trope is [[GenreSavvy (probably) the reason]] reason Harper Lee took over half a century to publish anything after ''Literature/ToKillAMockingbird''. (She eventually published ''Go Set a Watchman'', a book she wrote before ''To Kill a Mockingbird''.)
23rd Jun '17 4:21:12 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'' set the gold standard for mainline ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games, featuring outstanding [[VideoGame3DLeap three-dimensional]] visuals, a brand new combat system, long and complex dungeons, [[NintendoHard challenging difficulty]] that never lets up, six different endings rather than just the traditional [[OrderVersusChaos Law/Neutral/Chaos]] branches including an ultimate ending where [[spoiler:you personally become Lucifer's right-hand man]], and [[MemeticMutation Dante from the Devil May Cry series]]. As a result, ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' had a lot to live up to, and that was just from mainline fans[[note]]it also faced BiasSteamroller from ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'' fans, as ''Persona'' was steadily growing into a CashCowFranchise at the time[[/note]]; complaints include the step back to 2D sprites and portraits, reused the combat system from Nocturne with only minor tweaks, shorter and simpler dungeons devoid of puzzles, the decision to put the game on a Nintendo platform -- [[UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS a handheld one]], at that -- the [[SequelDifficultyDrop difficulty]] [[ItsEasySoItSucks reduction]] even on Master difficulty, [[RocketTagGameplay the removal of the defense stat]], and a more standard Law vs Chaos plot.

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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'' set the gold standard for mainline ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games, featuring outstanding [[VideoGame3DLeap three-dimensional]] visuals, a brand new combat system, long and complex dungeons, [[NintendoHard challenging difficulty]] that never lets up, six different endings rather than just the traditional [[OrderVersusChaos Law/Neutral/Chaos]] branches including an ultimate ending where [[spoiler:you personally become Lucifer's right-hand man]], and [[MemeticMutation Dante from the Devil May Cry series]]. As a result, ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' had a lot to live up to, and that was just from mainline fans[[note]]it also faced BiasSteamroller from ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'' fans, as ''Persona'' was steadily growing into a CashCowFranchise at the time[[/note]]; time, and [[AmericansHateTingle this goes double in the West]] where ''Persona'' easily outdoes mainline in terms of commercial success[[/note]]; complaints include the step back to 2D sprites and portraits, reused the combat system from Nocturne with only minor tweaks, shorter and simpler dungeons devoid of puzzles, the decision to put the game on a Nintendo platform -- [[UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS a handheld one]], at that -- the [[SequelDifficultyDrop difficulty]] [[ItsEasySoItSucks reduction]] even on Master difficulty, [[RocketTagGameplay the removal of the defense stat]], and a more standard Law vs Chaos plot.
21st Jun '17 10:32:31 AM PrincessGwen
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* This is a reason why many UsefulNotes/AcademyAward winning actors, particularly in [[http://www.today.com/id/4285114/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/curse-supporting-class/#.Vvpx3OIrKzc the supporting categories]], become victims of the HollywoodHypeMachine and retreat into obscurity and\or [[MoneyDearBoy low-profile work seeking paychecks]]. Specially once the sudden fame leads to starring roles not everyone can pull off.

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* This is a reason why many UsefulNotes/AcademyAward winning actors, particularly in [[http://www.today.com/id/4285114/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/curse-supporting-class/#.Vvpx3OIrKzc the supporting categories]], become victims of the HollywoodHypeMachine and retreat into obscurity and\or [[MoneyDearBoy low-profile work seeking paychecks]]. Specially Especially once the sudden fame leads to starring roles not everyone can pull off.
21st Jun '17 10:03:14 AM Apocrypha
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* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' has a villainous example. The BigBad of the first game, [[spoiler:Junko Enoshima]] aka. the Ultimate Despair is widely agreed by fans to be the best villain of the entire franchise, even better than it's incarnations in other installments, such as ''Anime/DanganRonpa3''. Every villain introduced is often considered subpar compared to them, with [[spoiler:Tengan and Mitarai]] of ''[=DR3=]'' and [[spoiler:Shirogane Tsumugi]] of ''VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3'' both becoming ReplacementScrappy for them. And in the latter game, [[spoiler:Kaede Akamatsu, the DecoyProtagonist of the game became this. Within her sole playable chapter, she was established as an IdealHero, and the one protagonist capable of giving a new spin to the already tired Danganronpa formula, but when she was killed in chapter one, the real protagonist became a ReplacementScrappy for her.]]

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* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' has a villainous example. examples about characters, rather than specific games:
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The BigBad of the first game, [[spoiler:Junko Enoshima]] aka. aka the Ultimate Despair Despair, is widely agreed by fans to be the best villain of the entire franchise, even better than it's [[spoiler:her]] incarnations in other installments, such as ''Anime/DanganRonpa3''. Every villain introduced is often considered subpar compared to them, with installments! The first two after [[spoiler:her]], [[HateSink Monaca]] and [[TragicVillain Izuru]], did get praise, but were still overshadowed. And the ones after them? [[spoiler:Tengan and Mitarai]] of ''[=DR3=]'' and [[spoiler:Shirogane Tsumugi]] [[spoiler:Shirogane]] of ''VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3'' both becoming ReplacementScrappy for them. And in were flat-out ''hated'' by the latter game, fans, being considered weak, ineffectual, and outright stupid.
** From ''VisualNovel/NewDanganronpaV3'',
[[spoiler:Kaede Akamatsu, the DecoyProtagonist of the game became this. Within her sole playable chapter, she was established as an IdealHero, and the one protagonist capable of giving a new spin to the already tired Danganronpa formula, but when formula. But she was gets killed in chapter one, and the real protagonist quickly became a ReplacementScrappy hated for replacing her.]]
12th Jun '17 9:19:52 PM nombretomado
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* This is a reason why many AcademyAward winning actors, particularly in [[http://www.today.com/id/4285114/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/curse-supporting-class/#.Vvpx3OIrKzc the supporting categories]], become victims of the HollywoodHypeMachine and retreat into obscurity and\or [[MoneyDearBoy low-profile work seeking paychecks]]. Specially once the sudden fame leads to starring roles not everyone can pull off.

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* This is a reason why many AcademyAward UsefulNotes/AcademyAward winning actors, particularly in [[http://www.today.com/id/4285114/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/curse-supporting-class/#.Vvpx3OIrKzc the supporting categories]], become victims of the HollywoodHypeMachine and retreat into obscurity and\or [[MoneyDearBoy low-profile work seeking paychecks]]. Specially once the sudden fame leads to starring roles not everyone can pull off.
11th Jun '17 1:32:27 PM nombretomado
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** Also in soccer: the USA women's national team after the groundbreaking [[TheWorldCup World Cup]] champions of 1999. Despite four Olympic golds since then, the current women still haven't gotten out from under the shadow of the 1999 team. The 2011 World Cup team came close, but lost to [[YamatoNadeshiko Japan]] in the final. In 2015 however, the US beat Germany, being their first Cup in 16 years.

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** Also in soccer: the USA women's national team after the groundbreaking [[TheWorldCup [[UsefulNotes/TheWorldCup World Cup]] champions of 1999. Despite four Olympic golds since then, the current women still haven't gotten out from under the shadow of the 1999 team. The 2011 World Cup team came close, but lost to [[YamatoNadeshiko Japan]] in the final. In 2015 however, the US beat Germany, being their first Cup in 16 years.
8th Jun '17 11:00:56 PM LaptopGuy
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* The best installment of the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series is generally considered to be ''Trials and Tribulations''. All later games [[BrokenBase heavily split the fandom]] but are almost never considered better. In terms of individual cases, most would say the best is either "Bridge to the Turnabout" from ''Trials and Tribulations'' or "Farewell, My Turnabout" from ''Justice for All''. All other cases have their high points compared to those of these cases.

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* The best installment of the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series is generally considered to be ''Trials and Tribulations''. All later games [[BrokenBase heavily split the fandom]] but are almost never considered better. In terms of individual cases, most would say the best is either "Bridge to the Turnabout" from ''Trials and Tribulations'' or "Farewell, My Turnabout" from ''Justice for All''. All other cases have their high points compared to those of these cases.cases.
** The last two cases of ''Justice for All'' inverts this: The penultimate case, "Turnabout Big Top", is widely considered to be the worst case in the franchise history, due to its cartoony nature and several {{scrappy mechanic}}s that are featured. Thus, the case that follows it would have to be ''spectacular'' in comparison. Indeed, the next case is "Farewell, My Turnabout", widely considered to be the best case in ''Ace Attorney'' history.
8th Jun '17 7:11:12 PM Gavitro
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* ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', while not an example for the fanbase as a whole, has historically struggled to satisfy the TournamentPlay community with later installments. ''Melee'' was (and still is) recognized as a worthy fighting game, with its fast pace and in-depth techniques (some of which having been a result of GoodBadBugs) often providing intense rounds. When ''Brawl'' slowed down the overall pace, added a few cases of RandomNumberGod (most notably "tripping") and removed the aforementioned GoodBadBugs, potential for competitive play lowered as a consequence (to the point where [[VideoGame/ProjectM a fanmade mod]] was made in an attempt to bring back ''Melee'''s more well-received elements). ''For 3DS and Wii U'' approached a more competitive format by removing the random elements and making the game's pace slightly faster, but with ''Melee'' still making appearances in various fighting game tournaments, the former game remains standing in the shadows that the latter game has cast.

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* ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', while not an example for the fanbase as a whole, has historically struggled to satisfy the TournamentPlay community with later installments. ''Melee'' was (and - and still is) is - recognized as a worthy fighting game, with its fast pace and in-depth techniques (some (a couple of which having been a result of GoodBadBugs) often providing intense rounds. When ''Brawl'' slowed down the overall pace, added a few cases of RandomNumberGod (most notably "tripping") and removed the aforementioned GoodBadBugs, potential for competitive play lowered as a consequence (to the point where [[VideoGame/ProjectM a fanmade mod]] was made in an attempt to bring back ''Melee'''s more well-received elements).mechanics). ''For 3DS and Wii U'' approached a more competitive format by removing the random elements and making the game's pace slightly faster, but with ''Melee'' still making appearances in various fighting game tournaments, the former game remains standing in the shadows that the latter game has cast.
7th Jun '17 7:48:44 PM BobRiddle
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* ''VideoGame/Bayonetta2'' has a character example in the form of [[BigBad Loptr]]. While he isn't a hated character within the fandom, there are some fans who feel he doesn't quite measure up to Father Balder as he lacks some of Balder's charm and comes off as a bland villain. Also, the final battle with him as [[spoiler: Aesir]], while fun on its own merits, is seen by fans as underwhelming compared to the battle with Jubileus, who was a massive godlike being fought in space while [[spoiler: Aesir]] is roughly twice the size of Bayonetta and the fight with him takes place in a dimensional void within a mountain.
6th Jun '17 11:43:34 PM BackgroundGuy
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* The Edmonton Oilers have had an extremely tough time following the sudden departure of Wayne Gretzky in 1988. Everyone swore he couldn't be traded, but indeed he was, and the Oilers were left struggling to find their identity without him. Decades came and went with the Oilers struggling to even maintain a decent seasonal record, let alone find their next Gretzky (though they did win one Cup without him), before they finally seem to have struck gold with Connor [=McDavid=], who to boot wears 97 on his jersey - just two away from the league-forbidden 99 (though the Oilers retired it on their own before the League at large did). Gretzky's 99 banner might not be all that big, but it certainly casts a huge shadow for [=McDavid=] and his teammates to skate under. He seems largely up for the task, though, guiding the Oilers farther than they had been in years in just his second season of playing for them in 2017. That's not to say there's no pressure on him to turn things around for this franchise, though...
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