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16th Mar '17 6:28:09 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Narbonic}}'': Dave, a long-time chain-smoker, travels back in time and alters the past so that he never started smoking. Later, when he mentions this, his co-workers give him odd looks and comment, "Dave, you never smoked."\\

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* ''{{Narbonic}}'': ''{{Webcomic/Narbonic}}'': Dave, a long-time chain-smoker, travels back in time and alters the past so that he never started smoking. Later, when he mentions this, his co-workers give him odd looks and comment, "Dave, you never smoked."\\
12th Mar '17 4:17:25 PM AthenaBlue
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** Some fan attempts to translate the strange "Circular Gallifreyan" script seen in Doctor Who have come to the conclusion that the language is not meant to be read linearly, but circularly. Words and sentences share tangential relationship to each other rather than flowing in straight lines. It would make talking about time travel easier, but also makes it nearly untranslatable.

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** Some fan attempts to translate the strange "Circular Gallifreyan" script seen in Doctor Who the new series have come to the conclusion that the language is not meant to be read linearly, but circularly. Words and sentences share tangential relationship to each other rather than flowing in straight lines. It would make talking about time travel easier, but also makes it nearly untranslatable.
12th Mar '17 4:16:53 PM AthenaBlue
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* ''Series/RedDwarf'':
** In the episode "Future Echoes":
--->'''Lister''': Hey, it hasn't happened, has it? It has "will have going to have happened" happened, but it hasn't actually "happened" happened yet, actually.
--->'''Rimmer''': Poppycock! It will be happened; it shall be going to be happening; it will be was an event that could will have been taken place in the future. Simple as that. Your bucket's been kicked, baby.
** After being [[RetGone erased]] by the inquisitor:
--->'''Lister''': ''We don't exist here anymore!''
--->'''Kryten''': ''Actually sir, we don't ever have existed here anymore, but this is hardly the time to be conjugating temporal verbs in the past impossible never tense!''
::: TruthInTelevision -- The tenses were ''so'' difficult that Robert Llewellyn, playing Kryten, kept flubbing the line and eventually had to have a cue-card held up out of shot... and then the line was cut anyway. It only resurfaced as they showed the final correct take after all the bloopers in the Smeg Ups collection.

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* ''Series/RedDwarf'':
** In the
From ''Series/BabylonFive'''s second TimeTravel episode "Future Echoes":
--->'''Lister''': Hey,
comes the following line:
--> [[spoiler:'''John Sheridan''']]: The question of who [[spoiler:stole Babylon 4]] is one of the greatest mysteries in Earth military history! And you're telling me
it hasn't happened, has it? It has "will have going to have happened" happened, but it hasn't actually "happened" happened yet, actually.
--->'''Rimmer''': Poppycock! It will be happened; it shall be
was... me!? Uh, is me? Is going to be happening; it will be was an event me?
* Taken to ridiculous extremes in ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', thanks to Sheldon's...eccentricities...when the guys are trying to figure out the timeline of ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartII''.
-->'''Sheldon''': Wait, whoa whoa. Is "placed" right? Is "placed" the right tense for something
that could would have happened in the future of a past that was affected by something in the future?
-->'''Leonard''': Had
will have been taken place placed?
-->'''Sheldon''': That's my boy.
* The sisters (Prue
in particular) in ''Series/{{Charmed}}'' always run into difficulty when trying to get their heads around the future. Simple as that. Your bucket's been kicked, baby.
** After being [[RetGone erased]] by the inquisitor:
--->'''Lister''': ''We don't exist here anymore!''
--->'''Kryten''': ''Actually sir, we don't ever have existed here anymore, but this is hardly the time to be conjugating temporal verbs in the past impossible never tense!''
::: TruthInTelevision -- The
concept of tenses were ''so'' difficult that Robert Llewellyn, playing Kryten, kept flubbing when time travel is involved.
-->'''Prue''': We barely got away as it was. ... Is. Will be. You know, I've never been good with tenses.
* Even happened on ''Series/TheDailyShow''. "You're hurting my brain, [[Creator/StephenColbert Stephen]]."
* In ''Series/DayBreak'', Brett often ran into this whenever he tried to explain
the line and eventually had GroundhogDayLoop to have a cue-card held up out of shot... and then the line was cut anyway. It only resurfaced as they showed the final correct take after all the bloopers in the Smeg Ups collection.another character.
--> '''Chad:''' When did I say this?
--> '''Brett:''' Today.
--> '''Chad:''' Wait, how many todays ago?
--> '''Brett:''' Yesterday.



** In "The Two Doctors," the Sixth Doctor comments on the Second Doctor in this convoluted way.
--> '''Sixth Doctor:''' Your Doctor is an antediluvian fogey! Allowing himself to be captured by the Sontarans. If anything happens to me as a result of it, I shall never forgive himself.
--> '''Peri:''' Oh, I do wish you'd stop switching personal pronouns!

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** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS17E6Shada "Shada"]]:
-->'''Chronotis:''' I am, I was, I will be, Professor Chronotis. Oh dear . . . we Gallifreyans have never managed to come up with a satisfactory form of grammar to cover these situations.
** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS22E4TheTwoDoctors
"The Two Doctors," Doctors"]], the Sixth Doctor comments on the Second Doctor in this convoluted way.
--> '''Sixth --->'''Sixth Doctor:''' Your Doctor is an antediluvian fogey! Allowing himself to be captured by the Sontarans. If anything happens to me as a result of it, I shall never forgive himself.
-->
himself.\\
'''Peri:''' Oh, I do wish you'd stop switching personal pronouns!



--> '''Seventh Doctor:''' ''An anti-gravitation matter transmitter. Didn't you give me this next year?''
** In "The Beast Below," Amy ends up encountering the TimeTravelTenseTrouble, telling a little girl she's getting married "a long time ago tomorrow morning." Which does ''technically'' make sense in the same way as "a week tomorrow".
** In "The Vampires of Venice" Rory says he's getting married in 430 years...which is why they have to have this conversation RIGHT NOW.
** In "The Vampires of Venice": The Doctor says the girls are like Houdini "He was shorter. Will be shorter. I'm rambling..."
** In the short comic relief specials "Space" and "Time"; Rory and Amy get to meet their past (future?) selves, and get confused when explaining that the Doctor will tell them to go back, to tell themselves this, in order to make a StableTimeLoop.
** A non-comedic use: Rose, in 'The Parting of the Ways', is sent back home to avoid a bloodbath taking place in the future. Jackie brushes it off, but it tears Rose up enough she tears up other things..
** In the Eleventh Doctor episode "The Doctor's Wife," Idris[[spoiler:!TARDIS]] in addition to liking biting (it's like kissing, only there's a winner!) has some initial trouble clarifying her tenses. [[spoiler:It makes sense, since she's the spirit of the Doctor's vehicle trapped within a flesh body. She jumps across space and time without regard to those silly simian concepts of past, present, and future.]]
** One more quote:
--->'''Amy''': No, but you told the Doctor you'd see him again when the Pandorica opens.
--->'''River''': Maybe I did. But I haven't yet. But I will have.
** In ''Shada'':
-->'''Chronotis''': "I am, I was, I will be, Professor Chronotis. Oh dear... we Gallifreyans have never managed to come up with a satisfactory form of grammar to cover these situations.

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--> '''Seventh --->'''Seventh Doctor:''' ''An anti-gravitation matter transmitter. Didn't you give me this next year?''
** A non-comedic use: Rose, in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E13ThePartingOfTheWays "The Parting of the Ways"]], is sent back home to avoid a bloodbath taking place in the future. Jackie brushes it off, but it tears Rose up enough she tears up other things . . .
** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E2TheBeastBelow "The Beast Below," Below"]], Amy ends up encountering the TimeTravelTenseTrouble, telling a little girl she's getting married "a long time ago tomorrow morning." Which does ''technically'' make sense in the same way as "a week tomorrow".
** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E6TheVampiresOfVenice "The Vampires of Venice" Rory says he's getting married in 430 years...which is why they have to have this conversation RIGHT NOW.
** In "The Vampires of Venice":
Venice"]]:
***
The Doctor says the girls are like Houdini "He was shorter. Will be shorter. I'm rambling...rambling . . ."
*** Rory says he's getting married in 430 years . . . which is why they have to have this conversation RIGHT NOW.
** From [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E12ThePandoricaOpens "The Pandorica Opens"]]:
--->'''Amy:''' No, but you told the Doctor you'd see him again when the Pandorica opens.\\
'''River:''' Maybe I did. But I haven't yet. But I will have.
** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang "The Big Bang"]]: Even a Time Lord has trouble sometimes:
--->'''The Doctor:''' You need to get me out of the Pandorica.\\
'''Rory:''' But you're not in the Pandorica.\\
'''The Doctor:''' Yes I am. Well I'm not now but I was back then. Well. Back now from your point of view. Which is back then from my point of view. Time travel, you can't keep it straight in your head.
** In the short comic relief specials [[Recap/DoctorWho2011RNDSSpaceAndTime "Space" and "Time"; "Time"]]; Rory and Amy get to meet their past (future?) selves, and get confused when explaining that the Doctor will tell them to go back, to tell themselves this, in order to make a StableTimeLoop.
** A non-comedic use: Rose, in 'The Parting of the Ways', is sent back home to avoid a bloodbath taking place in the future. Jackie brushes it off, but it tears Rose up enough she tears up other things..
**
In the Eleventh Doctor episode [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E4TheDoctorsWife "The Doctor's Wife," Idris[[spoiler:!TARDIS]] Wife"]], Idris[[spoiler:!TARDIS]], in addition to liking biting (it's like kissing, only there's a winner!) has some initial trouble clarifying her tenses. [[spoiler:It makes sense, since she's the spirit of the Doctor's vehicle trapped within a flesh body. She jumps across space and time without regard to those silly simian concepts of past, present, and future.]]
** One more quote:
--->'''Amy''': No, but you told the Doctor you'd see him again when the Pandorica opens.
--->'''River''': Maybe I did. But I haven't yet. But I will have.
** In ''Shada'':
-->'''Chronotis''': "I am, I was, I will be, Professor Chronotis. Oh dear... we Gallifreyans have never managed to come up with a satisfactory form of grammar to cover these situations.
]]



** Even a Time Lord has trouble sometimes:
---> '''The Doctor''': You need to get me out of the Pandorica.
---> '''Rory''': But you're not in the Pandorica.
---> '''The Doctor''': Yes I am. Well I'm not now but I was back then. Well. Back now from your point of view. Which is back then from my point of view. Time travel, you can't keep it straight in your head.
* In ''Series/GoodnightSweetheart'' time traveler Gary Sparrow (who is married in the present day but is having an affair with a woman in 1940s Britain) upbraids his friend for cheating on his wife. When the obvious hypocrisy is pointed out to him, Gary replies "That's different. All my indiscretions are in the past. Even my future indiscretions are in the past.".

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** Even a Time Lord has trouble sometimes:
---> '''The Doctor''': You need to get me out of the Pandorica.
---> '''Rory''': But you're not in the Pandorica.
---> '''The Doctor''': Yes I am. Well I'm not now but I was back then. Well. Back now from your point of view. Which is back then from my point of view. Time travel, you can't keep it straight in your head.
* In ''Series/GoodnightSweetheart'' time traveler Gary Sparrow (who is married in the present day but is having an affair with a woman in 1940s Britain) upbraids his friend for cheating on his wife. When the obvious hypocrisy is pointed out to him, Gary replies "That's different. All my indiscretions are in the past. Even my future indiscretions are in the past."."
* Topical PanelGames like ''Series/HaveIGotNewsForYou'' also get confused by tenses when describing something that might happen between recording and broadcast (and might have changed by the repeat. And heaven knows what'll be happening by the time it's on Dave...)
** Sometimes averted by having a special Friday Morning recording, usually so an election’s results are known...
-->'''Iain''': Amazing the candour a politian can show!
-->'''Lembit Opik''': I'm not a politician any more – I can do what I like!
* Poked fun at on ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' when they were going through a time rift. [[MakesSenseInContext Have you seen my chicken puppet?]]
* In an episode of ''Series/QuantumLeap'', Sam leaps into the past version of his friend and helper Al; early on, Al has a bit of tense trouble relating to his younger self ("I think I'm... I mean, '''he''' thinks I'm my uncle.") Eventually Sam suggests that they refer to Young Al as "Bingo", which was his Air Force callsign.
* ''Series/RedDwarf'':
** In the episode "Future Echoes":
--->'''Lister''': Hey, it hasn't happened, has it? It has "will have going to have happened" happened, but it hasn't actually "happened" happened yet, actually.
--->'''Rimmer''': Poppycock! It will be happened; it shall be going to be happening; it will be was an event that could will have been taken place in the future. Simple as that. Your bucket's been kicked, baby.
** After being [[RetGone erased]] by the inquisitor:
--->'''Lister''': ''We don't exist here anymore!''
--->'''Kryten''': ''Actually sir, we don't ever have existed here anymore, but this is hardly the time to be conjugating temporal verbs in the past impossible never tense!''
::: TruthInTelevision -- The tenses were ''so'' difficult that Robert Llewellyn, playing Kryten, kept flubbing the line and eventually had to have a cue-card held up out of shot... and then the line was cut anyway. It only resurfaced as they showed the final correct take after all the bloopers in the Smeg Ups collection.



--> '''Braxton:''' Thanks to you, we've learned that the temporal disruptor was and will be concealed here. [[LampshadeHanging I gave up trying to keep my tenses straight years ago.]]

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--> '''Braxton:''' Thanks to you, we've learned that the temporal disruptor was and will be concealed here. [[LampshadeHanging I gave up trying to keep my tenses straight years ago.]]
]]\\



* Even happened on ''Series/TheDailyShow''. "You're hurting my brain, [[Creator/StephenColbert Stephen]]."
* In ''Series/DayBreak'', Brett often ran into this whenever he tried to explain the GroundhogDayLoop to another character.
--> '''Chad:''' When did I say this?
--> '''Brett:''' Today.
--> '''Chad:''' Wait, how many todays ago?
--> '''Brett:''' Yesterday.



* The sisters (Prue in particular) in ''Series/{{Charmed}}'' always run into difficulty when trying to get their heads around the concept of tenses when time travel is involved.
-->'''Prue''': We barely got away as it was. ... Is. Will be. You know, I've never been good with tenses.
* Topical PanelGames like ''Series/HaveIGotNewsForYou'' also get confused by tenses when describing something that might happen between recording and broadcast (and might have changed by the repeat. And heaven knows what'll be happening by the time it's on Dave...)
** Sometimes averted by having a special Friday Morning recording, usually so an election’s results are known...
-->'''Iain''': Amazing the candour a politian can show!
-->'''Lembit Opik''': I'm not a politician any more – I can do what I like!
* Poked fun at on ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' when they were going through a time rift. [[MakesSenseInContext Have you seen my chicken puppet?]]
* In an episode of ''Series/QuantumLeap'', Sam leaps into the past version of his friend and helper Al; early on, Al has a bit of tense trouble relating to his younger self ("I think I'm... I mean, '''he''' thinks I'm my uncle.") Eventually Sam suggests that they refer to Young Al as "Bingo", which was his Air Force callsign.
* From ''Series/BabylonFive'''s second TimeTravel episode comes the following line:
--> [[spoiler:'''John Sheridan''']]: The question of who [[spoiler:stole Babylon 4]] is one of the greatest mysteries in Earth military history! And you're telling me it was... me!? Uh, is me? Is going to be me?
* Taken to ridiculous extremes in ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', thanks to Sheldon's...eccentricities...when the guys are trying to figure out the timeline of ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartII''.
-->'''Sheldon''': Wait, whoa whoa. Is "placed" right? Is "placed" the right tense for something that would have happened in the future of a past that was affected by something in the future?
-->'''Leonard''': Had will have placed?
-->'''Sheldon''': That's my boy.
6th Feb '17 4:54:40 PM rjd1922
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** Also, in the game's intro, Robert notes that the player "doesn't row". [[spoiler: He means that (looking from a future perspective) the player ''never'' rows, in any of the timelines. Rosalind misinterprets this as "The player doesn't know how to row, isn't a rower.]]

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** Also, in the game's intro, Robert notes that the player "doesn't row". [[spoiler: He means that (looking from a future perspective) the player ''never'' rows, in any of the timelines. Rosalind misinterprets this as "The player doesn't know how to row, isn't a rower.rower".]]
19th Dec '16 2:21:31 PM HiddenWindshield
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* A frequent out-of-universe problem when trying to describe events crossing ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', due to the major differences in how the retcon affected different characters and different past events. A few characters were rebooted as completely new characters (Franchise/WonderWoman), some were made so that they had been around before the Crisis, but their personalities and histories suddenly had always been very different from what all previous comics portrayed (Franchise/{{Superman}}), some were erased from history (''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}''), and some had basically the same history and memory that they had had before the Crisis (Franchise/TheFlash, Franchise/GreenLantern). Therefore, there's both the reader's perception of what "Pre-Crisis" and "ComicBook/PostCrisis" means (Pre-Crisis: [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver-]] and UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, ComicBook/PostCrisis: [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark-]] and Modern Age), and there's the characters' perception of what "Pre Crisis" and "Post Crisis" means (basically: Pre Crisis: Before [[Franchise/TheFlash Barry]] and ''[[Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} Kara]]'' died, Post Crisis: after Barry and KAra died). This leads to descriptions like "After the Crisis, Batman changed so that he had been dark and brooding both before and after Barry died."\\

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* A frequent out-of-universe problem when trying to describe events crossing ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', due to the major differences in how the retcon affected different characters and different past events. A few characters were rebooted as completely new characters (Franchise/WonderWoman), some were made so that they had been around before the Crisis, but their personalities and histories suddenly had always been very different from what all previous comics portrayed (Franchise/{{Superman}}), some were erased from history (''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}''), and some had basically the same history and memory that they had had before the Crisis (Franchise/TheFlash, Franchise/GreenLantern). Therefore, there's both the reader's perception of what "Pre-Crisis" and "ComicBook/PostCrisis" means (Pre-Crisis: [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver-]] and UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, ComicBook/PostCrisis: [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark-]] and Modern Age), and there's the characters' perception of what "Pre Crisis" and "Post Crisis" means (basically: Pre Crisis: Before [[Franchise/TheFlash Barry]] and ''[[Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} Kara]]'' died, Post Crisis: after Barry and KAra Kara died). This leads to descriptions like "After the Crisis, Batman changed so that he had been dark and brooding both before and after Barry died."\\
10th Dec '16 7:32:21 PM ZimFan89
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* During ''Fanfic/{{Facing the Future|Series}}'', Danny runs into this when describing [[spoiler: his bad future self fighting his good future self]].
-->'''Valerie''': (''confused'') Uh, Danny? What are you talking about?
-->(''Danny sighs'')
-->'''Danny''': You know what? I really don't know anymore.
20th Nov '16 8:42:58 PM PatPayne
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* As far as [[WorldWarTwo Imperial Japan]] was concerned, the attack on Pearl Harbor took place on December 8, because it was the morning of December 8 Tokyo time, regardless of the local time at Pearl Harbor.
30th Oct '16 11:08:25 AM nombretomado
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* Averted in one place in ''{{Gurps}} Time-Travel'' by saying that there are two timelines for the adventurer, the time he came from "hometime" and the time he is adventuring in; and [[SanDimasTime Hometime keeps going while the adventurer was adventuring]]. Thus all that is necessary is to distinguish between home past and away past.

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* Averted in one place in ''{{Gurps}} ''TabletopGame/{{Gurps}} Time-Travel'' by saying that there are two timelines for the adventurer, the time he came from "hometime" and the time he is adventuring in; and [[SanDimasTime Hometime keeps going while the adventurer was adventuring]]. Thus all that is necessary is to distinguish between home past and away past.
23rd Oct '16 2:29:56 PM unokkun
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* Two events separated by a space-like spacetime interval (i.e. every observer will note that light from one event cannot reach the position of the other event before the other event occurs) have no consistent ordering. Different observers will disagree about which event occurred first, and one reference frame will observe the events occurring simultaneously.

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* Two In relativity, two events separated by a space-like spacetime interval (i.e. every observer will note that light from one event cannot reach the position of the other event before the other event occurs) have no consistent ordering. Different observers will disagree about which event occurred first, and one reference frame will observe the events occurring simultaneously.
3rd Oct '16 5:41:24 AM Morgenthaler
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* As with the panel games examples in Live—Action Television. TheNewsQuiz lampshades the folly of having a Topical Panel Show being recorded on a Thursday for broadcast on a Friday as one the most anticipatable news events frequently occurs on a Thursday, an election in the UK. Leading to having to predict (Read:bluff) the result to perform gags accordingly.

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* As with the panel games examples in Live—Action Television. TheNewsQuiz ''Radio/TheNewsQuiz'' lampshades the folly of having a Topical Panel Show being recorded on a Thursday for broadcast on a Friday as one the most anticipatable news events frequently occurs on a Thursday, an election in the UK. Leading to having to predict (Read:bluff) the result to perform gags accordingly.
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