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21st Jun '16 9:36:28 PM JulianLapostat
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* In 1830, King Charles X of France was overthrown by riots throughout Paris. He declared his 10-year-old grandson Henry to now be King Henry V, with his distant cousin Louis Philippe, the Duke of Orleans as Regent. However, Henry was still too closely linked to Charles for many revolutionaries to handle, so as a compromise, when the Duke of Orleans went over to the French National Assembly in Paris in his role as Regent they proclaimed him to be King instead.

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* In 1830, King Charles X of France was overthrown by riots throughout Paris. He declared his 10-year-old grandson Henry to now be King Henry V, with his distant cousin Louis Philippe, the Duke of Orleans as Regent. However, Henry was still too closely linked to Charles for many revolutionaries to handle, so as a compromise, when the Duke of Orleans went over to the French National Assembly in Paris in his role as Regent they proclaimed him to be King instead.
instead. The Orleans claim was problematic for the Bourbons since his father, Philippe Egalite, voted for the death of the King UsefulNotes/LouisXVI, his own cousin (and would himself later be executed during the ReignOfTerror).
21st Jun '16 8:34:23 PM sayaleviathan
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* In ‘’Literature/TheHeroicLegendOfArslan’’, Narsus and Daryum believed that Arslan deserved to be the king rather than his father who is a GloryHound [[spoiler:or his cousin who is the legitimate heir but has his anger issues and the thirst for revenge that can lead to disaster]]. While there is a question on Arslan’s legitimacy, it didn’t matter to his followers because his selfless and pacifist nature are good qualities of a king and that he will bring peace to both Pars and Lustinia.

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* In ‘’Literature/TheHeroicLegendOfArslan’’, ''Literature/TheHeroicLegendOfArslan'', Narsus and Daryum believed that Arslan deserved to be the king rather than his father who is a GloryHound [[spoiler:or his cousin who is the legitimate heir but has his anger issues and the thirst for revenge that can lead to disaster]]. While there is a question on Arslan’s legitimacy, it didn’t matter to his followers because his selfless and pacifist nature are good qualities of a king and that he will bring peace to both Pars and Lustinia.
21st Jun '16 8:30:37 PM sayaleviathan
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*In ‘’Literature/TheHeroicLegendOfArslan’’, Narsus and Daryum believed that Arslan deserved to be the king rather than his father who is a GloryHound [[spoiler:or his cousin who is the legitimate heir but has his anger issues and the thirst for revenge that can lead to disaster]]. While there is a question on Arslan’s legitimacy, it didn’t matter to his followers because his selfless and pacifist nature are good qualities of a king and that he will bring peace to both Pars and Lustinia.
20th Jun '16 2:02:46 PM zemet
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* [[UsefulNotes/DynastiesFromShangToQing The "mandate of heaven" ideology]] propagated by the Zhou dynasty to justify overthrowing the Shang dynasty, stated that the realms they'd conquered had become corrupt and had so lost the favour of the spirits, it was by the spirits' will/with the spirits' blessings that the Han had conquered them, and that everyone should now be good Han citizens and pay their taxes and not revolt because that's what the spirits wanted them to do. Unfortunately the same argument was used ''against'' them later on when their empire was on the fritz, and has been used for and against a good dozen Empires which have ruled the region since.

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* [[UsefulNotes/DynastiesFromShangToQing The "mandate of heaven" ideology]] propagated by the Zhou dynasty to justify overthrowing the Shang dynasty, stated that the realms they'd conquered had become corrupt and had so lost the favour of the spirits, it was by the spirits' will/with the spirits' blessings that the Han Zhou had conquered overthrown them, and that everyone should now be good Han Zhou citizens and pay their taxes and not revolt because that's what the spirits wanted them to do. Unfortunately the same argument was used ''against'' them later on when their empire was on the fritz, and has been used for and against a good dozen Empires which have ruled the region since.
20th Jun '16 2:01:58 PM zemet
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* [[UsefulNotes/DynastiesFromShangToQing The "mandate of heaven" ideology]] propagated by the second centrally-administered Empire to conquer and subjugate the Chinese nations (the Han Empire) stated that the realms they'd conquered had become corrupt and had so lost the favour of the spirits, it was by the spirits' will/with the spirits' blessings that the Han had conquered them, and that everyone should now be good Han citizens and pay their taxes and not revolt because that's what the spirits wanted them to do. Unfortunately the same argument was used ''against'' them later on when their empire was on the fritz, and has been used for and against a good dozen Empires which have ruled the region since.

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* [[UsefulNotes/DynastiesFromShangToQing The "mandate of heaven" ideology]] propagated by the second centrally-administered Empire Zhou dynasty to conquer and subjugate justify overthrowing the Chinese nations (the Han Empire) Shang dynasty, stated that the realms they'd conquered had become corrupt and had so lost the favour of the spirits, it was by the spirits' will/with the spirits' blessings that the Han had conquered them, and that everyone should now be good Han citizens and pay their taxes and not revolt because that's what the spirits wanted them to do. Unfortunately the same argument was used ''against'' them later on when their empire was on the fritz, and has been used for and against a good dozen Empires which have ruled the region since.
20th Jun '16 2:00:52 PM zemet
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* [[UsefulNotes/DynastiesFromShangToQing The "mandate of heaven" ideology]] propagated by the second centrally-administered Empire to conquer and subjugate the Chinese nations (the Han Empire) stated that the realms they'd conquered had become corrupt and had so lost the favour of the spirits, it was by the spirits' will/with the spirits' blessings that the Han had conquered them, and that everyone should now be good Han citizens and pay their taxes and not revolt because that's what the spirits wanted them to do. Unfortunately the same argument was used ''against'' them later on when their empire was on the fritz, and has been used for and against a good dozen Empires which have ruled the region since. Dead and living Chinese historians alike are guilty of picking and choosing facts to 'make' the region's history fit this pattern, together with the usual insistence on terming each new Empire a 'dynasty' (to create the impression that 1) 'China' has always been a country and 2) it's always been culturally homogenous).

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* [[UsefulNotes/DynastiesFromShangToQing The "mandate of heaven" ideology]] propagated by the second centrally-administered Empire to conquer and subjugate the Chinese nations (the Han Empire) stated that the realms they'd conquered had become corrupt and had so lost the favour of the spirits, it was by the spirits' will/with the spirits' blessings that the Han had conquered them, and that everyone should now be good Han citizens and pay their taxes and not revolt because that's what the spirits wanted them to do. Unfortunately the same argument was used ''against'' them later on when their empire was on the fritz, and has been used for and against a good dozen Empires which have ruled the region since. Dead and living Chinese historians alike are guilty of picking and choosing facts to 'make' the region's history fit this pattern, together with the usual insistence on terming each new Empire a 'dynasty' (to create the impression that 1) 'China' has always been a country and 2) it's always been culturally homogenous).
7th Jun '16 2:53:00 PM Morgenthaler
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* A double dose in ''ThePrisonerOfZenda''. The legitimate ruler, Rudolf, is a drunken boor who is unpopular with the people. TheUsurper, Black Michael, isn't the most charming or popular guy either, but at least he's competent and respected. But the impostor, Rudolf Rassendyl, puts them both to shame and would make a better king then either of them, prompting young von Tarlenheim's quote at the head of this page.
* The Haldane Restoration in Katherine Kurtz's {{Deryni}} novel ''Camber of Culdi''. A younger son of the House of Furstan gets a small force from his father the King of Torenth, gathers other landless younger sons who don't fancy celibacy, and they overthow the House of Haldane in neighbouring Gwynedd. After 80 years, the Festil-Furstan dynasty has degenerated, such that the latest ruler practices murderous tyranny and brother-sister incest. Camber and his family discover the last Haldane in a monastery, remove him from the cloister, get his vows dispensed, marry him to a ward of Camber's, activate psionic/magical powers in him, and help him overthrow the tyrant - and the new King never forgives them for it, leading to the terrible anti-Deryni backlash of the next several books.

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* A double dose in ''ThePrisonerOfZenda''.''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda''. The legitimate ruler, Rudolf, is a drunken boor who is unpopular with the people. TheUsurper, Black Michael, isn't the most charming or popular guy either, but at least he's competent and respected. But the impostor, Rudolf Rassendyl, puts them both to shame and would make a better king then either of them, prompting young von Tarlenheim's quote at the head of this page.
* The Haldane Restoration in Katherine Kurtz's {{Deryni}} Literature/{{Deryni}} novel ''Camber of Culdi''. A younger son of the House of Furstan gets a small force from his father the King of Torenth, gathers other landless younger sons who don't fancy celibacy, and they overthow the House of Haldane in neighbouring Gwynedd. After 80 years, the Festil-Furstan dynasty has degenerated, such that the latest ruler practices murderous tyranny and brother-sister incest. Camber and his family discover the last Haldane in a monastery, remove him from the cloister, get his vows dispensed, marry him to a ward of Camber's, activate psionic/magical powers in him, and help him overthrow the tyrant - and the new King never forgives them for it, leading to the terrible anti-Deryni backlash of the next several books.



* ''TheWarlordChronicles'' by Creator/BernardCornwell has Arthur as King Uther's HeroicBastard son and Mordred as King Uther's legitimate but treacherous grandson. Unfortunately, Arthur is far too LawfulGood to make himself RegentForLife.

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* ''TheWarlordChronicles'' ''Literature/TheWarlordChronicles'' by Creator/BernardCornwell has Arthur as King Uther's HeroicBastard son and Mordred as King Uther's legitimate but treacherous grandson. Unfortunately, Arthur is far too LawfulGood to make himself RegentForLife.



* The ''{{Redwall}}'' book ''Mossflower'' has this in the form of Tsarmina Greeneyes. While her father Verdauga had a stern but fair rule, Tsarmina, his cruel and impulsive daughter, poisoned him in order to take the throne for herself. As Verdauga began to ail Tsarmina took over, and began demanding more than the woodlanders they ruled could produce. This caused the woodlanders to run from their rule, and so Tsarmina demanded more and more, until eventually the castle and garrison is facing starvation because of her misrule. Her brother Gingivere most likely would have made a far better ruler, being kind and fair, but Tsarmina's cruelty and idiocy sees the kingdom's downfall.

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* The ''{{Redwall}}'' ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' book ''Mossflower'' has this in the form of Tsarmina Greeneyes. While her father Verdauga had a stern but fair rule, Tsarmina, his cruel and impulsive daughter, poisoned him in order to take the throne for herself. As Verdauga began to ail Tsarmina took over, and began demanding more than the woodlanders they ruled could produce. This caused the woodlanders to run from their rule, and so Tsarmina demanded more and more, until eventually the castle and garrison is facing starvation because of her misrule. Her brother Gingivere most likely would have made a far better ruler, being kind and fair, but Tsarmina's cruelty and idiocy sees the kingdom's downfall.
16th May '16 1:43:21 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* In ''[[TalesOfTheBranionRealm The Granite Shield]]'', the rulers of a fantasy England are entirely legitimate, but also apostates who deny their [[GodEmperor divine status]]. A vicious civil war develops when a RoyalBastard is born and raised in the proper faith.

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* In ''[[TalesOfTheBranionRealm ''[[Literature/TalesOfTheBranionRealm The Granite Shield]]'', the rulers of a fantasy England are entirely legitimate, but also apostates who deny their [[GodEmperor divine status]]. A vicious civil war develops when a RoyalBastard is born and raised in the proper faith.
6th May '16 6:53:14 PM karstovich2
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* This is exactly what happened to King Edward VIII of England. He was always meant to be the king, as the oldest son, and his brother Albert was very much in favor of that particular line of succession. As things would have it, though, Edward VIII was absolutely, positively determined to marry outside of the acceptable social circle, and to a widely-rumored-to-be Nazi sympathizer during the prelude to World War II, no less. Edward's determination to flout the accepted rules and standards of the throne meant that he could not be king, not in the eyes of the Parliament, and not in the eyes of the people. Faced with this pressure, he abdicated his throne to his brother Albert, who reigned as George VI, which caused [[TheKingsSpeech a whole host of problems for Britain's new leader.]]

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* This is exactly what happened to King Edward VIII of England. He was always meant to be the king, as the oldest son, and his brother Albert was very much in favor favour of that particular line of succession. succession.[[note]]On the other hand, their ''father'' George V was ''not'' in favour of it, and explicitly wrote that he hoped that his elder son would ''never marry or have children'' to ensure both Albert and Albert's [[UsefulNotes/HMTheQueen elder daughter Elizabeth]] would have a clear line to the throne.[[/note]] As things would have it, though, Edward VIII was absolutely, positively determined to marry outside of the acceptable social circle, and to a widely-rumored-to-be Nazi sympathizer during the prelude to World War II, no less. Edward's determination to flout the accepted rules and standards of the throne meant that he could not be king, not in the eyes of the Parliament, and not in the eyes of the people. Faced with this pressure, he abdicated his throne to his brother Albert, who reigned as George VI, which caused [[TheKingsSpeech a whole host of problems for Britain's new leader.]]
8th Mar '16 5:30:19 PM NickFalcon
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** Azula herself is also an example of this: despite being named the rightful heir to the throne by her father, it becomes apparent ''very'' quickly that as good a commander as she might be, she is ''not'' cut out to be a leader off the battlefield.
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