History Main / TheSpartanWay

4th Dec '17 12:00:19 PM MarkyVigoroth
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* The qualification process for some barbaric surgeries is a non-military example. Due to some of these procedures involving shrinking the stomach in some way, the patient must undergo a strict, drastic diet for life. The selection process includes a similar diet, the true purpose thereof being to see if the patient is capable of committing to the drastic, permanent changes in the patient's lifestyle. Not only do most people change their minds by themselves, but a few people actually ''willingly'' continue with the pre-diet ''by themselves'' due to how empowered the pre-diet made them feel over their own bodies!
26th Nov '17 8:10:22 PM VutherA
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** An UnbuiltTrope, after a fashion, since the goal of the Spartan agoge was to produce good citizens, rather than skilled soldiers. Spartans only trained for battle on campaign after all allied contingents joined the army, so all warriors would learn the same skills.

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** An UnbuiltTrope, after a fashion, since the goal of the Spartan agoge was to produce good citizens, rather than skilled soldiers.soldiers (though it did realistically aid their usefulness as hoplites). Spartans only trained for battle on campaign after all allied contingents joined the army, so all warriors would learn the same skills. The Spartans were truly not soldiers as we would recognize - their day-to-day occupation was ''not'' engaging in or training for war, there's little evidence of them having effective weapons practice, and the centuries-long preconception of them being effective warriors may have been more [[BecomingTheMask Sparta trying to live up to the notion that they were post-Battle of Thermopylae]] with their victories thereafter being more attributable to the Spartans using basic formation drill and platoon-level units which made them far more wieldy on a tactical level than their adversaries.
13th Nov '17 7:57:53 AM Hewhoarisesinmight
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** For an interesting historical subversion you can't go past the Sacred Band of Thebes. A company of elites composed entirely of [[BattleCouple paired homosexual lovers]], one older and one younger, who being thus bonded would [[ThePowerOfLove theoretically have a lot more invested in keeping the soldier standing next to them alive and thus fight harder in their defense]] (and be more prone to [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge berserking at the enemy's expense]] if their lover fell). And it ''worked''. Not only were they one of the most feared companies in ancient Greece, but Thebes triumphed in the Battle of Leuctra over a larger force (5-7,000 vs 10-11,000) by use of a hitherto-unforeseen battle tactic, in which the Sacred Band were instrumental. The enemy crushed and humiliated by the Sacred Band in this battle? '''The Spartans.''' Yes. They defeated TheSpartanWay with ThePowerOfLove.
*** After the Sacred Band were destroyed at the Battle of Chaeronea, with the remnants either fighting to the death or committing suicide, Philip II of Macedon reportedly said, "''Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly''."[[note]]According to [[UnreliableNarrator Plutarch]], who was not a contemporary and who held a very positive view of them.[[/note]]

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** For an interesting historical subversion you can't go past An UnbuiltTrope, after a fashion, since the Sacred Band of Thebes. A company of elites composed entirely of [[BattleCouple paired homosexual lovers]], one older and one younger, who being thus bonded would [[ThePowerOfLove theoretically have a lot more invested in keeping the soldier standing next to them alive and thus fight harder in their defense]] (and be more prone to [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge berserking at the enemy's expense]] if their lover fell). And it ''worked''. Not only were they one goal of the most feared companies in ancient Greece, but Thebes triumphed in the Battle of Leuctra over a larger force (5-7,000 vs 10-11,000) by use of a hitherto-unforeseen Spartan agoge was to produce good citizens, rather than skilled soldiers. Spartans only trained for battle tactic, in which on campaign after all allied contingents joined the Sacred Band were instrumental. The enemy crushed and humiliated by army, so all warriors would learn the Sacred Band in this battle? '''The Spartans.''' Yes. They defeated TheSpartanWay with ThePowerOfLove.
*** After the Sacred Band were destroyed at the Battle of Chaeronea, with the remnants either fighting to the death or committing suicide, Philip II of Macedon reportedly said, "''Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly''."[[note]]According to [[UnreliableNarrator Plutarch]], who was not a contemporary and who held a very positive view of them.[[/note]]
same skills.
25th Oct '17 11:29:25 PM Dingbot
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** Should also mention the USAF's Special Operations Weather Technicians. All three Air Force Special Tactics operators are well-respected in the military community as badasses. Before they even begin their job training, ALL Special Tactics hopefuls complete BMT, then a six week Indoctrination course. Called "Indoc" it is the most grueling ordeal most trainees have ever been through--including such novel practices as performing calisthenics whie wearing diving masks. Filled with water. Indoc washes out a great deal of candidates due to the harsh training. And then it gets worse.

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** Should also mention the USAF's Special Operations Weather Technicians. All three Air Force Special Tactics operators are well-respected in the military community as badasses. Before they even begin their job training, ALL Special Tactics hopefuls complete BMT, then a six week Indoctrination course. Called "Indoc" it is the most grueling ordeal most trainees have ever been through--including such novel practices as performing calisthenics whie while wearing diving masks. Filled with water. Indoc washes out a great deal of candidates due to the harsh training. And then it gets worse.



** The Foreign Legion is notorious for its high rate of ''suicide'' in training. Today it's only about .5% that can be proved, but historically suicides in training from those who simply can't take it anymore but won't wash out has run higher.

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** The Foreign Legion is notorious for its high rate of ''suicide'' in training. Today it's only about .5% that can be proved, but historically suicides in training from those who simply can't take it anymore any more but won't wash out has run higher.
22nd Oct '17 6:29:01 AM Malady
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22nd Oct '17 6:29:00 AM Malady
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* Surprisingly, GDI's (the good guys') commando program in ''CommandAndConquerTiberiumWars'', with a 22% fatality rate among the recruits and a 95% failure rate among the survivors, with the Commandoes starting off as the best the world has to offer.. Sounds back until you [[FridgeBrilliance realize]] these commandos are ''always'' in training, there is no such thing as graduation, so it's literally the 5% of the troops who are still actively serving as a Commando.

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* Surprisingly, GDI's (the good guys') commando program in ''CommandAndConquerTiberiumWars'', with a 22% fatality rate among the recruits and a 95% failure rate among the survivors, with the Commandoes starting off as the best the world has to offer.. Sounds back bad until you [[FridgeBrilliance realize]] these commandos are ''always'' in training, there is no such thing as graduation, so it's literally the 5% of the troops who are still actively serving as a Commando.
10th Oct '17 11:24:49 PM Wikipetzi
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* In ''Recap/AsterixAtTheOlympicGames'', a Spartan athlete says that, back home in Sparta, they only eat the stones from the olives and the gristle from the meat.
4th Oct '17 5:19:17 PM kawaiineko333
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* ''VideoGame/GhostReconWildlands'' has Carl Bookhart, a former Army Ranger whose methods of training Santa Blanca's sicarios fall into this with live ammo and eat knives during combat drills. Those that manage to survive are elite soldiers for the cartel.
25th Aug '17 2:05:39 PM BattleMaster
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** To put numbers to it, Clan Warriors are usually grown in "Sibkos" of 100, on average about 20 make it to adulthood. Though some survive washing out and get assigned to other castes.

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** To put numbers to it, Clan Warriors are usually grown in "Sibkos" of 100, on average about 20 make it to adulthood. Though some survive washing warriorhood. Roughly half are washed out and get assigned to other castes.castes, the rest aren't so lucky. Though this varies from Clan to Clan, too: strict Clans like the Smoke Jaguars and Jade Falcons will kick someone out of the program for the first screw-up, but others like the Ghost Bears and Hell's Horses are known for offering someone who screwed up a chance to transfer to a different branch of Warrior training and try again. For example, someone who fails to meet the requirements to be a mechwarrior could go into tank or aerospace fighter training and try again. Failing the second time still sees them permanently lose their chance at warriorhood, though.
10th Aug '17 6:56:06 AM DarkHunter
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* ''Anime/YoujoSenki'': This is how Tanya "trains" her personal battalion of elite mages. First day? She wakes them up in the early morning and subjects them to a 36 hour artillery bombardment with no time for preparation (with a few live rounds mixed in with the dummy shells to keep them on their toes), and immediately after orders them to hike several dozen kilometers within 48 hours while being hunted by military forces with air support and tracking dogs. Within a couple of months, her mages are among the most elite soldiers in the whole Empire. Of course, her real intent was not to produce super soldiers, but to scare the recruits into giving up... which failed utterly.

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* ''Anime/YoujoSenki'': ''LightNovel/YoujoSenki'': This is how Tanya "trains" her personal battalion of elite mages. First day? She wakes them up in the early morning and subjects them to a 36 hour artillery bombardment with no time for preparation (with a few live rounds mixed in with the dummy shells to keep them on their toes), and immediately after orders them to hike several dozen kilometers within 48 hours while being hunted by military forces with air support and tracking dogs. Within a couple of months, her mages are among the most elite soldiers in the whole Empire. Of course, her real intent was not to produce super soldiers, but to scare the recruits into giving up... which failed utterly.
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