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18th May '16 2:29:25 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* On ''DeadliestWarrior'', most of the subjects are claimed to have gone through something like this, having fought since childhood and/or been trained harder than anyone else. [[HollywoodHistory The accuracy of these claims varies from case to case.]]

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* On ''DeadliestWarrior'', ''Series/DeadliestWarrior'', most of the subjects are claimed to have gone through something like this, having fought since childhood and/or been trained harder than anyone else. [[HollywoodHistory The accuracy of these claims varies from case to case.]]
15th May '16 3:35:55 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''FieldCommander'' does this with both sides, while A.T.L.A.S is a more humane "You need a Medal of Honor and some sort of task that makes you a damn badass" to become a grunt, Shadow Nation's training of their appropriately named fodder is rather inhumane, cooped up in tiny cells being fed food devoid of nutrients, it turns their men to insane bloodthirsty beasts as a result, and their division commanders do not treat their men well even after they are sent out to the field.
* The Spartan faction in ''SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. Not only are they ''named'' after the Spartans, their leader's big quote is ''"Superior training and superior weaponry have, when taken together, a geometric effect on overall military strength. Well-trained, well-equipped troops can stand up to many more times their lesser brethren than linear arithmetic would seem to indicate."'' Naturally, their training methods are revealed to be quite brutal, as yet ''another'' quote tells about a Spartan training officer breaking a recruit's arm to make him relearn his sloppy combat techniques.

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* ''FieldCommander'' ''VideoGame/FieldCommander'' does this with both sides, while A.T.L.A.S is a more humane "You need a Medal of Honor and some sort of task that makes you a damn badass" to become a grunt, Shadow Nation's training of their appropriately named fodder is rather inhumane, cooped up in tiny cells being fed food devoid of nutrients, it turns their men to insane bloodthirsty beasts as a result, and their division commanders do not treat their men well even after they are sent out to the field.
* The Spartan faction in ''SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''.''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. Not only are they ''named'' after the Spartans, their leader's big quote is ''"Superior training and superior weaponry have, when taken together, a geometric effect on overall military strength. Well-trained, well-equipped troops can stand up to many more times their lesser brethren than linear arithmetic would seem to indicate."'' Naturally, their training methods are revealed to be quite brutal, as yet ''another'' quote tells about a Spartan training officer breaking a recruit's arm to make him relearn his sloppy combat techniques.



* ''{{Mousehunt}}'' has the [[TheHorde Marching Flame]], who train scouts like this:

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* ''{{Mousehunt}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Mousehunt}}'' has the [[TheHorde Marching Flame]], who train scouts like this:



* ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' has this [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=95#comic driving school.]]

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* ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' has this [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=95#comic driving school.]]
7th May '16 1:23:09 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* Deconstructed in Literature/SeptimusHeap. The [[ChildSoldiers Young Army]] is trained this way, with little food, a highly militaristic and uncomfortable lifestyle, and periodic 'night exercises', where a troop of boys is left in the dangerous Forest at night and has to find their way back. Boy 412, a ten-year-old who was in the Young Army since he was born, nearly freezes to death, and is only saved by magic, because his uniform is too thin for the midwinter cold he's standing guard in, and loses a fight to Jenna, who is his age and has had an ordinary life, albeit one with six older brothers, because his harsh lifestyle has made him ''very unhealthy''.
** Not that the Custodian Guard cares, after all, the Young Army is [[RedShirtArmy Expendable.]]

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* Deconstructed in Literature/SeptimusHeap.''Literature/SeptimusHeap''. The [[ChildSoldiers Young Army]] is trained this way, with little food, a highly militaristic and uncomfortable lifestyle, and periodic 'night exercises', where a troop of boys is left in the dangerous Forest at night and has to find their way back. Boy 412, a ten-year-old who was in the Young Army since he was born, nearly freezes to death, and is only death (he's saved by magic, magic) because his uniform is too thin for the midwinter cold he's standing guard in, and later loses a fight to Jenna, who is his age and has had an ordinary life, albeit one with six older brothers, because his harsh lifestyle has made him ''very unhealthy''.unhealthy''.
** A later book also flat out states that while the Night Exercises were meant to weed out "the weak, the scared, and the stupid", they mostly just weeded out the unlucky.

** *** Not that the Custodian Guard cares, after all, the Young Army is [[RedShirtArmy Expendable.]]
16th Apr '16 1:59:50 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''TheForeverWar''. While the initial training is brutal enough, it is later mentioned to the lead that [[DesignerBabies growing]] and [[{{Tykebomb}} programming ideal soldiers from birth]] was tried and didn't work (the aliens do suicidal valor better). The training was [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by the fact that the environments they were fighting in were [[DeathWorld just as lethal]], and that they had to be trained to fight in them. Considering that they were training on an airless rock where one wrong step could kill them, the casualties taken were probably low.

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* ''TheForeverWar''.''Literature/TheForeverWar''. While the initial training is brutal enough, it is later mentioned to the lead that [[DesignerBabies growing]] and [[{{Tykebomb}} programming ideal soldiers from birth]] was tried and didn't work (the aliens do suicidal valor better). The training was [[JustifiedTrope justified]] by the fact that the environments they were fighting in were [[DeathWorld just as lethal]], and that they had to be trained to fight in them. Considering that they were training on an airless rock where one wrong step could kill them, the casualties taken were probably low.



* The Unsullied in George R. R. Martin's ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' are trained from birth, not only to be superior warriors, but also to be unswervingly loyal. This training involves raising a puppy from birth as their only friend, and then ''personally strangling it'' to prove they can follow orders. They're also said to be able to stand until they collapse of starvation and are fed a mixture that dulls and eventually eliminates their sense of pain. To demonstrate this, a slaver ''hacks the nipple'' off one of the Unsullied, who doesn't even flinch.

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* The Unsullied in George R. R. Martin's ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' are trained from birth, not only to be superior warriors, but also to be unswervingly loyal. This training involves raising a puppy from birth as their only friend, and then ''personally strangling it'' to prove they can follow orders. They're also said to be able to stand until they collapse of starvation and are fed a mixture that dulls and eventually eliminates their sense of pain. To demonstrate this, a slaver ''hacks the nipple'' off one of the Unsullied, who doesn't even flinch.
18th Mar '16 7:23:55 AM MiinU
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** Lampshaded by Demitra near the start of chapter 10, when Usui drafted a petition for co-ed swim classes and proposed they settle the matter [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/28.html with a water polo match.]]
-->'''Demitra:''' ''({{glasses pull}})'' "...looks like [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/6.html everything is to be settled through competition]] at this school."

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** Lampshaded by Demitra near the start of in chapter 10, when Usui drafted a petition for co-ed swim classes and proposed they settle the matter it [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/28.html with a water polo match.]]
-->'''Demitra:''' ''({{glasses pull}})'' "...looks like [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/6.html everything is has to be settled through competition]] at in this school."
18th Mar '16 7:17:36 AM MiinU
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** Any guy that wants to date any of the female students better be prepared to [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c003/18.html fight for it]], because they'll [[BestHerToBedHer have to prove their worth first.]]
** Lampshaded [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/7.html by Demitra]] near the start of chapter 10, when Usui started a petition for co-ed swim classes and proposed they settle the matter [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/22.html with a water polo match.]]

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** Any guy that wants to date any of the female students better be prepared to [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c003/18.html fight for it]], because they'll have to [[BestHerToBedHer have to prove their worth first.]]
worth]] first.
** Lampshaded by Demitra near the start of chapter 10, when Usui drafted a petition for co-ed swim classes and proposed they settle the matter [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/7.html by Demitra]] near the start of chapter 10, when Usui started a petition for co-ed swim classes and proposed they settle the matter [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/22.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/28.html with a water polo match.]]]]
-->'''Demitra:''' ''({{glasses pull}})'' "...looks like [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/6.html everything is to be settled through competition]] at this school."
18th Mar '16 7:05:55 AM MiinU
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* ''Manga/MakenKi'': At Tenbi Academy, everything is settled in battle. The faculty allows its students to challenge each other, in order to hone their skills [[KiManipulation with Element]] and their Maken. And so they can create fond memories of their youth. Any guy who hopes to date any of the girls, [[BestHerToBedHer has to prove their worth first.]] Even something simple as deciding on whether swim class should be Co-Ed was resolved with [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QulLafUQEQ0 a water polo free-for-all.]]

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* ''Manga/MakenKi'': At Tenbi Academy, everything is settled in battle. The faculty allows its students to challenge each other, in order to hone their skills [[KiManipulation with Element]] battle and their Maken. And so they can create fond memories of their youth. Any we mean ''every''-thing.
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guy who hopes that wants to date any of the girls, female students better be prepared to [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c003/18.html fight for it]], because they'll [[BestHerToBedHer has have to prove their worth first.]] Even something simple as deciding on whether swim class should be Co-Ed was resolved with ]]
**Lampshaded
[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QulLafUQEQ0 mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/7.html by Demitra]] near the start of chapter 10, when Usui started a petition for co-ed swim classes and proposed they settle the matter [[http://www.mangatown.com/manga/maken_ki/c010/22.html with a water polo free-for-all.match.]]
12th Mar '16 9:23:43 PM Hadjorim
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As with TrainingFromHell, in real life these methods are typically used ''as a selection process'', to determine which candidates possess the exceptional mental and physical fortitude for the job. Training the actual combat skills that will be used in the field usually involves more standard methods. As an aside, studies show that, in real life, brutal training is not automatically good training. Armies that rely on abuse to maintain discipline, not just physical but particularly psychological abuse, actually perform ''worse'' than armies that maintain discipline via professionalism and respect. Studies of Soviet units during the Second World War showed units led by the harshest officers fought worse and broke earlier than those led by more discerning officers. Likewise, the eponymous Easy Company featured in BandOfBrothers suffered similar casualty rates as other companies during combat, despite having a "Spartan" Captain during training while others did not.

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As with TrainingFromHell, in real life these methods are typically used ''as a selection process'', to determine which candidates possess the exceptional mental and physical fortitude for the job. Training the actual combat skills that will be used in the field usually involves more standard methods. As an aside, studies show that, in real life, brutal training is not automatically good training. Armies that rely on abuse to maintain discipline, not just physical but particularly psychological abuse, discipline actually perform ''worse'' than armies that maintain discipline via professionalism and respect. Studies of Soviet units during the Second World War showed units led by the harshest officers fought worse and broke earlier than those led by more discerning officers.others. Likewise, the eponymous Easy Company featured in BandOfBrothers suffered similar casualty rates as other companies during combat, despite having a "Spartan" Captain during training while others did not.
9th Mar '16 9:29:48 AM Bosihiov
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** For an interesting historical subversion you can't go past the Sacred Band of Thebes. A company of elites composed entirely of [[BattleCouple paired homosexual lovers]], one older and one younger, who being thus bonded would [[ThePowerOfLove theoretically have a lot more invested in keeping the soldier standing next to them alive and thus fight harder in their defense]] (and be more prone to [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge berserking at the enemy's expense]] if their lover fell). And it ''worked''. Not only were they one of the most feared companies in ancient Greece, but Thebes triumphed in the Battle of Leuctra over a larger force (5-7,000 vs 10-11,000) by use of a hitherto-unforeseen battle tactic, in which the Sacred Band were instrumental. The enemy crushed and humiliated by the Sacred Band in this battle? '''The Spartans.''' Yes. They defeated TheSpartanWay with ThePowerOfLove.
*** After the Sacred Band were destroyed at the Battle of Chaeronea, with the remnants either fighting to the death or committing suicide, Philip II of Macedon reportedly said, "''Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly''."[[note]]According to [[UnreliableNarrator Plutarch]], who was not a contemporary and who held a very positive view of them.[[/note]]
* Japanese military training during WWII and the "China incident" took this to an extreme. Not only was the training extremely brutal a Japanese soldier was not considered fully trained until he killed a prisoner of war with a sword or bayonet. Some units even went so far as to eat their victims. We wish we were making this up.



* For an interesting historical subversion you can't go past the Sacred Band of Thebes. A company of elites composed entirely of [[BattleCouple paired homosexual lovers]], one older and one younger, who being thus bonded would [[ThePowerOfLove theoretically have a lot more invested in keeping the soldier standing next to them alive and thus fight harder in their defense]] (and be more prone to [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge berserking at the enemy's expense]] if their lover fell). And it ''worked''. Not only were they one of the most feared companies in ancient Greece, but Thebes triumphed in the Battle of Leuctra over a larger force (5-7,000 vs 10-11,000) by use of a hitherto-unforeseen battle tactic, in which the Sacred Band were instrumental. The enemy crushed and humiliated by the Sacred Band in this battle? '''The Spartans.''' Yes. They defeated TheSpartanWay with ThePowerOfLove.
** After the Sacred Band were destroyed at the Battle of Chaeronea, with the remnants either fighting to the death or committing suicide, Philip II of Macedon reportedly said, "''Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly''."[[note]]According to [[UnreliableNarrator Plutarch]], who was not a contemporary and who held a very positive view of them.[[/note]]
* Japanese military training during WWII and the "China incident" took this to an extreme. Not only was the training extremely brutal a Japanese soldier was not considered fully trained until he killed a prisoner of war with a sword or bayonet. Some units even went so far as to eat their victims. We wish we were making this up.
5th Mar '16 1:19:44 AM Hadjorim
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As with TrainingFromHell, in real life these methods are typically used ''as a selection process'', to determine which candidates possess the exceptional mental and physical fortitude for the job. Training the actual combat skills that will be used in the field usually involves more standard methods. As an aside, studies show that, in real life, brutal training does not equal good training. Armies that rely on abuse to maintain discipline, not just physical but particularly psychological abuse, actually perform ''worse'' than armies that maintain discipline via professionalism and respect. Studies of Soviet units during the Second World War showed units led by the harshest officers fought worse and broke earlier than those led by more discerning officers. Likewise, the eponymous Easy Company featured in BandOfBrothers suffered similar casualty rates as other companies during combat, despite having a "Spartan" Captain during training while others did not.

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As with TrainingFromHell, in real life these methods are typically used ''as a selection process'', to determine which candidates possess the exceptional mental and physical fortitude for the job. Training the actual combat skills that will be used in the field usually involves more standard methods. As an aside, studies show that, in real life, brutal training does is not equal automatically good training. Armies that rely on abuse to maintain discipline, not just physical but particularly psychological abuse, actually perform ''worse'' than armies that maintain discipline via professionalism and respect. Studies of Soviet units during the Second World War showed units led by the harshest officers fought worse and broke earlier than those led by more discerning officers. Likewise, the eponymous Easy Company featured in BandOfBrothers suffered similar casualty rates as other companies during combat, despite having a "Spartan" Captain during training while others did not.
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