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8th Nov '17 7:19:17 PM WillKeaton
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** The problem with Gorman is that he's very green. While well-trained (38 ''simulated'' combat drops), he's the least experienced member of the squad (''actual'' drops: 2, including the one shown in the film). And considering they're up against [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph xenomorphs]], which are definitely ''not'' something you learn about in Basic, it's a bit more understandable why he froze up.

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** The problem with Gorman is that he's very green. While well-trained (38 ''simulated'' combat drops), he's the least experienced member of the squad (''actual'' drops: 2, including the one shown in the film). And considering they're up against [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph xenomorphs]], xenomorphs,]] which are definitely ''not'' something you learn about in Basic, it's a bit more understandable why he froze up.
23rd Oct '17 11:35:00 AM Triscon42
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** The problem with Gorman is that he's very green. While well-trained (38 ''simulated'' combat drops), he's the least experienced member of the squad (''actual'' drops: 2, including the one shown in the film). And considering they're up against [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph xenomorphs]], which are definitely ''not'' something you learn about in Basic, it's a bit more understandable why he froze up.
23rd Oct '17 11:22:57 AM Triscon42
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** Adding to this, since hand-to-hand combat skills aren't valued as highly as 3D Maneuver Gear piloting, students who want to join the Military Police Brigade prioritize 3D Maneuver Gear training over melee combat training. This means that the soldiers who would be expected to fight human-sized opponents more often are actually the least qualified ones to do so.

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** Adding to this, since hand-to-hand combat skills aren't valued as highly as 3D Maneuver Gear piloting, piloting[[note]]for obvious [[https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/shingekinokyojin/images/e/e0/Titan_Shifters_size_comparison.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150419212735 reasons]][[/note]], students who want to join the Military Police Brigade prioritize 3D Maneuver Gear training over melee combat training. This means that the soldiers who would be expected to fight human-sized opponents more often are actually the least qualified ones to do so.
9th Oct '17 8:48:38 AM Peteman
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* Stanley the Plaid of ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}'' is an excellent frontline fighter and squad leader who wields a weapon forged by the gods. Once he earns a promotion to Overlord, he is totally incompetant at his new role. Worse, since his entire side is a KeystoneArmy with him as the keystone, he can't go out and use his real skills lest he die in battle and doom his entire kingdom.

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* Stanley the Plaid of ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}'' is an excellent frontline fighter and squad leader who wields a weapon forged by the gods. Once he earns a promotion to Overlord, he is totally incompetant at his new role. Worse, since his entire side is a KeystoneArmy with him as the keystone, he can't go out and use his real skills lest he die in battle and doom his entire kingdom.kingdom, since he steadfastly refuses to name an heir.
2nd Oct '17 10:53:53 AM Nerrin
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** Wedge vigorously attempts to avert this trope in the series, mostly by seeking to avoid promotion at all - he loves flying and isn't sure he's up to managing anything bigger than a squadron. Aaron Allston's ''Wraith Squadron'' part of the series opens with Wedge only getting Admiral Akbar's permission to form the Wraiths with the promise that if they ''don't'' succeed, Wedge will finally accept a promotion. Either the RagtagBunchOfMisfits expected to fail, fails, and Akbar gets the staff officer he wants; or they succeed and Wedge gets experience that makes him even better suited for the promotion Akbar wants him to take, including cultivating Wedge's own ability to avert this trope for the Republic military going forward.
28th Sep '17 9:11:12 AM Necrodomo
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* The [[PowersThatBe Elder Powers]] in the ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' series have the ability to promote their followers to higher tiers of power than what's represented by player characters (and the setting contains some examples of this) but generally don't because of this trope. ''[[HumansAreSpecial Only]]'' the player characters are able to directly influence the outcome of the CosmicChessGame that drives the series, and so the Powers need a very good reason to promote someone, lest they render one of their most effective game pieces ineffective in pursuing their main goal.
22nd Sep '17 8:34:55 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', Mages Guild Archmage Trebonius Artorius is a shining example. He actually is an incredibly talented [[MagicKnight Battlemage]], which helped him to rise through the ranks of the Guild. However, he quickly proved hopelessly incompetent at managing Guild affairs. His mainland superiors responded by promoting him further (in the KickedUpstairs fashion) and putting him in charge of the Guild branch in [[ReassignedToAntarctica the most backwater district in the Empire]] where he could cause the least amount of trouble. He let in a [[TheMole badly disguised spy]] (whose credentials even had High Chancellor Ocato's ''signature'' [[YouMakeMeSic spelled wrong]]), spends his time giving his underlings (who consider him a PointyHairedBoss) {{Impossible Task}}s and sending them on {{Snipe Hunt}}s, all while generally acting petty and immature to those who offend him. When the PlayerCharacter comes to him for assignments, he sends you on a task to [[RiddleForTheAges learn about the disappearance of the]] [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]], and is shocked when you actually manage to find a plausible answer. Then he sends you on a mission to [[SuicideMission kill all of the Telvanni councilors]]. While there is a peaceful way to deal with him, it leaves you as the ''co''-head of the Guild with Trebonious, which is obviously less desirable. You can instead [[ChallengingTheChief challenge him in a duel to the death for his position]], receiving it as a KlingonPromotion if you win. However, need we remind you that he ''is'', despite his other flaws, a very talented Battlemage?

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In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', Mages Guild Archmage Trebonius Artorius is a shining example. He actually is an incredibly talented [[MagicKnight Battlemage]], which helped him to rise through the ranks of the Guild. However, he quickly proved hopelessly incompetent at managing Guild affairs. His mainland superiors responded by promoting him further (in the KickedUpstairs fashion) and putting him in charge of the Guild branch in [[ReassignedToAntarctica the most backwater district in the Empire]] where he could cause the least amount of trouble. He let in a [[TheMole badly disguised spy]] (whose credentials even had High Chancellor Ocato's ''signature'' [[YouMakeMeSic spelled wrong]]), spends his time giving his underlings (who consider him a PointyHairedBoss) {{Impossible Task}}s and sending them on {{Snipe Hunt}}s, all while generally acting petty and immature to those who offend him. When the PlayerCharacter comes to him for assignments, he sends you on a task to [[RiddleForTheAges learn about the disappearance of the]] [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]], and is shocked when you actually manage to find a plausible answer. Then he sends you on a mission to [[SuicideMission kill all of the Telvanni councilors]]. While there is a peaceful way to deal with him, it leaves you as the ''co''-head of the Guild with Trebonious, which is obviously less desirable. You can instead [[ChallengingTheChief challenge him in a duel to the death for his position]], receiving it as a KlingonPromotion if you win. However, need we remind you that he ''is'', despite his other flaws, a very talented Battlemage?Battlemage?
** Other games, including ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', show that this is unfortunately ''very'' common with the Mages Guild. Being skilled with magic does not automatically translate to being a skilled administrator, leading to many {{Pointy Haired Boss}}es in high-ranking positions within the Guild. When they became detrimental, they'd either (like Trebonius above) be KickedUpstairs and/or ReassignedToAntarctica to keep them out of them way.
16th Sep '17 2:22:30 AM KJMackley
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-->"If I may be so bold... it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a starship is your first, best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material."

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-->"If ->''"If I may be so bold... it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a starship is your first, best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material.""''
16th Sep '17 2:22:02 AM KJMackley
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-->"If I may be so bold... it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a starship is your first, best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material."
-->-'''Spock''' (to Admiral Kirk), ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''
28th Aug '17 8:25:14 PM rjd1922
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* another RealLife example: Hermann Göring. A 22-victory AcePilot and winner of ''Pour le Merite'' (the coveted ''Blue Max''), he commanded ''Jasta 11'' after Manfred von Richthofen's death in 1918 and ''Jagdgeschwader I'' (of which ''Jasta 11'' was a part) until the end of WWI. He was recognized as a dashing pilot and an able wing commander: he found his level of incompetence in WWII as ''Generalfeldmarschall'' and [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons commander of the Luftwaffe]]. He promised more than Luftwaffe was able to provide, and his [[ThoseWackyNazis pomposity and leadership style]] was simply not suitable for such position. The prescription painkiller addiction that eventually forced him to ''de facto'' retire in 1943 surely didn't help.

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* another RealLife Another Real Life example: Hermann Göring. A 22-victory AcePilot and winner of ''Pour le Merite'' (the coveted ''Blue Max''), he commanded ''Jasta 11'' after Manfred von Richthofen's death in 1918 and ''Jagdgeschwader I'' (of which ''Jasta 11'' was a part) until the end of WWI. He was recognized as a dashing pilot and an able wing commander: he found his level of incompetence in WWII as ''Generalfeldmarschall'' and [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons commander of the Luftwaffe]]. He promised more than Luftwaffe was able to provide, and his [[ThoseWackyNazis pomposity and leadership style]] was simply not suitable for such position. The prescription painkiller addiction that eventually forced him to ''de facto'' retire in 1943 surely didn't help.



* Creator/JohnRomero's admittedly high skill as a programmer and designer did not translate to any skill whatsoever as a project leader, manager or administrator. This was painfully evident throughout the ''VideoGame/{{Daikatana}}'' debacle.
** The same could be said of Ultima's Richard Garriott during Ultima VIII and IX.
* Captain Ernest Medina, who was indirectly responsible of the My Lai massacre. He had been a mustang (an officer risen from enlisted ranks) and he had been an excellent sergeant. Unfortunately he was completely unsuitable as an officer. He did not support his men, and he used one of his platoon leaders, Lt. William Calley, as a ChewToy and bullied him relentlessly. It didn't help Calley ''himself'' was somewhat TheNeidermeyer and incompetent as an officer (he didn't know how to read map e.g.). In the aftermath of My Lai, both officers were drummed out of service, and Medina barely avoided prison.

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* Creator/JohnRomero's admittedly high skill as a programmer and designer did not translate to any skill whatsoever as a project leader, manager or administrator. This was painfully evident throughout the ''VideoGame/{{Daikatana}}'' debacle.
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debacle. The same could be said of Ultima's ''VideoGame/{{Ultima}}'''s Richard Garriott during Ultima VIII ''Ultima VIII'' and IX.
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* Captain Ernest Medina, who was indirectly responsible of for the My Lai massacre. He had been a mustang (an ([[UpThroughTheRanks an officer risen from enlisted ranks) ranks]]) and he had been an excellent sergeant. Unfortunately Unfortunately, he was completely unsuitable as an officer. He did not support his men, and he used one of his platoon leaders, Lt. William Calley, as a ChewToy and bullied him relentlessly. It didn't help Calley ''himself'' was somewhat TheNeidermeyer and incompetent as an officer (he didn't know how to read map e.g.). In the aftermath of My Lai, both officers were drummed out of service, and Medina barely avoided prison.
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