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30th Jun '16 11:55:01 PM Timjames98
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As the EvilChancellor is plotting to control the kingdom by usurping power, the Good Chancellor serves his kingdom or nation with utmost fervour. He follows the King's orders to the letter if the king is noble, and he tries to mitigate the suffering of his people if the king's intentions are of the bad kind. Rarely would he be seen actively opposing the King's actions, since as a LawfulGood person, he must not let ideas like rebellion or jealousy get in the way of running the kingdom in the king's name. This often does not sit well with some rebels, who see him as a moderate who must lose his head for being a supposed YesMan to the king they want on a pike.

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As the EvilChancellor is plotting to control the kingdom by usurping power, the Good Chancellor serves his kingdom or nation with utmost fervour. He follows the King's orders to the letter if the king is noble, and he tries to mitigate the suffering of his people if the king's intentions are of the bad kind. Rarely would he be seen actively opposing the King's actions, since as a LawfulGood person, he must not let ideas like rebellion or jealousy get in the way of running the kingdom in the king's name. This often does not sit well with some rebels, who see him as a moderate who must lose his head for being a supposed YesMan to the king they want on a pike.
pike. Unless of course the King cuts his head off first, in which case the rebels might see him as a martyr or a cautionary tale against using words against tyrants.
1st Jun '16 9:42:33 AM OddHack
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** Kaliko was this to the Nome King for some time [[spoiler: until Ruggedo was dethroned and Kaliko OfferedTheCrown in his place.]] He was portrayed as much more competent than his boss and consistently had the best interests of his kingdom at hear, although aside from one PetTheDog moment towards Betsy, he was pretty neutral towards the heroes.

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** Kaliko was this to the Nome King for some time [[spoiler: until Ruggedo was dethroned and Kaliko OfferedTheCrown in his place.]] He was portrayed as much more competent than his boss and consistently had the best interests of his kingdom at hear, heart, although aside from one PetTheDog moment towards Betsy, he was pretty neutral towards the heroes.
11th Apr '16 9:58:16 PM Divra
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* ''WebComic/GirlGenius'': Vanamonde von Mekkhan has, after taking up the mantle of seneschal to House Heterodyne from his grandfather, proven himself to be a capable administrator, organiser, spymaster and tactician, and completely devoted to the welfare of the House Heterodyne and the people of Mechanicsburg. His grandfather Carson served both Seamus Heterodyne and Seamus' sons Bill and Barry with similar skill and loyalty, but given the elder [[MadScientist Heterodyne's]] [[EvilOverlord character]] (not to mention Carson's youthful days as a volunteer in said elder Heterodyne's marauding horde) it's a bit unclear where on the Good-Evil axis he falls.
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* ''WebComic/GirlGenius'': Vanamonde von Mekkhan has, after taking up the mantle of seneschal to House Heterodyne from his grandfather, proven himself to be a capable administrator, organiser, spymaster and tactician, and completely devoted to the welfare of the House Heterodyne and the people of Mechanicsburg. His grandfather Carson served both Seamus Heterodyne and Seamus' sons Bill and Barry with similar skill and loyalty, but given the elder [[MadScientist Heterodyne's]] [[EvilOverlord character]] (not to mention Carson's youthful days as a volunteer in said elder Heterodyne's marauding horde) it's a bit unclear where on the Good-Evil azis he falls.
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11th Apr '16 7:44:30 PM Divra
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* ''WebComic/GirlGenius'': Vanamonde von Mekkhan has, after taking up the mantle of seneschal to House Heterodyne from his grandfather, proven himself to be a capable administrator, organiser, spymaster and tactician, and completely devoted to the welfare of the House Heterodyne and the people of Mechanicsburg. His grandfather Carson served both Seamus Heterodyne and Seamus' sons Bill and Barry with similar skill and loyalty, but given the elder [[MadScientist Heterodyne's]] [[EvilOverlord character]] (not to mention Carson's youthful days as a volunteer in said elder Heterodyne's marauding horde) it's a bit unclear where on the Good-Evil azis he falls.
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9th Apr '16 8:31:51 PM 20person
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*** Prince Baelor Breakspear was a widely beloved and highly effective Hand for his father Daeron II, and would have made a good king. [[spoiler:Too bad he's accidentally killed during a trial by combat by his brother]].

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*** Prince Baelor Breakspear was a widely beloved and highly effective Hand for his father Daeron II, and would have made a good king. [[spoiler:Too bad he's accidentally killed by his brother during a trial by combat by his brother]].combat].
9th Apr '16 8:30:16 PM 20person
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-->'''Tyrion Lannister:''' Viserys might only have reigned a year, but he ruled for fifteen, while Daeron warred and Baelor prayed."

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-->'''Tyrion Lannister:''' --->'''Tyrion Lannister''': Viserys might only have reigned a year, but he ruled for fifteen, while Daeron warred and Baelor prayed."
prayed.



*** Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers ruled the Seven Kingdoms in the name of Aerys I as best he could during a time of drought and plague, but his police state apparatus and harsh methods, combined with his appearance, made him [[HeroWithBadPublicity unpopular]] with both the nobility and the people, and was even considered by some to be an EvilChancellor.

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*** Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers ruled the Seven Kingdoms in the name of Aerys I as best he could during a time of drought and plague, but his [[StateSec police state apparatus apparatus]] and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsh methods, methods]], combined with his appearance, made him [[HeroWithBadPublicity unpopular]] with both the nobility and the people, and was even considered by some to be an EvilChancellor.
9th Apr '16 8:27:28 PM 20person
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9th Apr '16 8:27:13 PM 20person
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** Several historical Hands of the King were this as well, beginning with the first.
*** Orys Baratheon, the first Hand, was the best friend (and rumoured half-brother) of Aegon the Conqueror. He led armies during the Conquest and the subsequent failed invasions of Dorne, where he lost his hand to a Dornish lord, but then cut off the hands and feet of that lord's son as revenge later on.
*** Septon Barth, a commoner, worked in the Red Keep's library before Jaehaerys I appointed him as Hand and assisted the king during his long and prosperous reign, and dabbled in sorcery on the side as well.
*** Over a century and a half before Ned Stark became Hand, his ancestor Cregan Stark was Hand for a single day, and was such a {{Badass}} that they called his tenure "The Hour Of The Wolf"
*** Before Viserys II ascended the throne, he was appointed Hand by his brother Aegon III near the end of his reign, and continued in that position during the reigns of his nephews Daeron I and Baelor I. He essentially ruled Westeros for them, as Daeron spent his entire reign trying to conquer Dorne and Baelor neglected the kingdom in favor of his faith.
-->'''Tyrion Lannister:''' Viserys might only have reigned a year, but he ruled for fifteen, while Daeron warred and Baelor prayed."
*** Prince Baelor Breakspear was a widely beloved and highly effective Hand for his father Daeron II, and would have made a good king. [[spoiler:Too bad he's accidentally killed during a trial by combat by his brother]].
*** Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers ruled the Seven Kingdoms in the name of Aerys I as best he could during a time of drought and plague, but his police state apparatus and harsh methods, combined with his appearance, made him [[HeroWithBadPublicity unpopular]] with both the nobility and the people, and was even considered by some to be an EvilChancellor.



** Kevan Lannister is the loyal lieutenant to his ruthless brother [[EvilChancellor Tywin]], de facto ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. Unlike his brother, he is a good and honest man, though [[YesMan not very assertive]], and too willing to carry out Tywin's darker commands such as [[RapePillageAndBurn burning the Riverlands]]. However, in ''A Dance with Dragons'', he has to become regent for the underage King after every other viable Lannister candidate is dead, disgraced or otherwise unavailable, and he proves to be nearly as capable as Tywin and far more kind about it. He's ''so'' good, in fact, that he might be the one man who could keep the Lannister regime from falling apart. [[spoiler: Which is why Varys has him murdered, because Varys wants the realm to keep decaying until [[RightfulKingReturns the Targaryens can return to retake the throne]].]]
** In ''[[Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg The Hedge Knight]]'', Baelor Breakspear is a straight example.

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** Kevan Lannister is the loyal lieutenant to his ruthless brother [[EvilChancellor Tywin]], de facto ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. Unlike his brother, he is a good and honest man, though [[YesMan not very assertive]], and too willing to carry out Tywin's darker commands such as [[RapePillageAndBurn burning the Riverlands]]. However, in ''A Dance with Dragons'', he has to become regent and Hand for the underage King after every other viable Lannister candidate is dead, disgraced or otherwise unavailable, and he proves to be nearly as capable as Tywin and far more kind about it. He's ''so'' good, in fact, that he might be the one man who could keep the Lannister regime from falling apart. [[spoiler: Which is why Varys has him murdered, because Varys wants the realm to keep decaying until [[RightfulKingReturns the Targaryens can return to retake the throne]].]]
** In ''[[Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg The Hedge Knight]]'', Prince Baelor Breakspear is a straight example.example. [[spoiler:Until he's accidentally killed in a [[TrialByCombat Trial Of Seven]] by his brother Maekar]].
12th Jan '16 4:12:33 PM wrm5
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* In the original ''Literature/ArabianNights'' stories, [[GrandVizierJafar Jafar]], vizier to the Caliph Harun al-Rashid, is portrayed as one of these.

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* In the original ''Literature/ArabianNights'' stories, [[GrandVizierJafar [[UsefulNotes/GrandVizierJafar Jafar]], vizier to the Caliph Harun al-Rashid, is portrayed as one of these.



** There's also a description of how to make a good vizier in the character creation section, but with a caveat that the Evil GrandVizier is an expected trope of the genre...

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** There's also a description of how to make a good vizier in the character creation section, but with a caveat that the Evil GrandVizier UsefulNotes/GrandVizier is an expected trope of the genre...
17th Nov '15 4:34:45 AM Yora
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* [[TheChancellorsOfGermany Konrad Adenauer]], the BadassGrandpa chancellor of the [[WestGermany Federal Republic of Germany]] from 1949 to 1963. He led Germany through the postwar reconstruction, beat down both Fascist and Communist threats, brought Germany into world politics, and restored German prosperity in the Economic Miracle. He was freely and fairly elected Chancellor no less than ''four times''. Of course, in the political system of the Federal Republic of Germany, the chancellor is de-facto on top (the presidency was deliberately made weak, so as to avoid one of the pitfalls of the Weimar system), so it might not be this trope despite Adenauer literally being a good chancellor.
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