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6th Dec '17 2:01:58 AM TheWildWestPyro
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* During the Cultural Revolution in China, Zhou Enlai, the Premier of the [[RedChina PRC]] and widely considered to be Mao's NumberTwo, used his authority to save artists, intellectuals, and ancient treasures from the blood-thirsty Red Guards.

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* During the Cultural Revolution in China, Zhou Enlai, the Premier of the [[RedChina PRC]] and widely considered to be Mao's NumberTwo, used his authority to save artists, intellectuals, and ancient treasures from the blood-thirsty bloodthirsty Red Guards.Guards. His adopted daughter getting persecuted and tortured to death by Red Guards might have partially motivated him in doing so.
8th Oct '17 9:48:44 AM nombretomado
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* Joseph, from the ''Literature/BookOfGenesis'' in Literature/TheBible. He serves under the Pharaoh as a Vizier, and unlike the [[NephariousPharaoh two infamous Pharaohs]] from ''BookOfExodus'', the Pharaoh in Genesis is a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who genuinely appreciates Joseph's talents and his deeds.

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* Joseph, from the ''Literature/BookOfGenesis'' in Literature/TheBible. He serves under the Pharaoh as a Vizier, and unlike the [[NephariousPharaoh two infamous Pharaohs]] from ''BookOfExodus'', ''Literature/BookOfExodus'', the Pharaoh in Genesis is a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who genuinely appreciates Joseph's talents and his deeds.
25th Sep '17 10:24:36 AM BeerBaron
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* Ocato in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', and particularly in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', where he actually plays a role bigger than being mentioned or just showing up in a short cutscene with no lines. The fact that the (good) Emperor spends the entire game dead in Uriel's case or not actually taken the throne [[spoiler:and later [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becoming an avatar]]]] in Martin's probably helps.
** [[spoiler: ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' reveals that for ten years after the Oblivion Crisis, Ocato served as the ''de facto'' leader of the Empire while the Elder Council debated on who should take the throne. Unfortunately for the Empire, (and the rest of Tamriel in general), he was so good at keeping the peace that [[ScaryDogmaticAliens the]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] decided to have him assassinated.]]

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* Ocato in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** The [[TheOrder Psijic Order]], a powerful MagicalSociety
and the oldest monastic order in Tamriel, serve as advisors to the leaders of Tamriel and consider it a sacred duty which they call "seliffrnsae," meaning "grave and faithful counsel". During times of extreme turmoil, particularly in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', where he actually plays a role bigger than being mentioned or just showing up in a short cutscene with no lines. The fact that when their powerful magical knowledge may be sought after by malevolent forces, the (good) Order has been known to withdraw entirely from outside affairs, right up to making their home island disappear without a trace. Despite this typical benevolence, they have also been [[IgnoredExpert ignored]] by Tamriellic leaders. For example, Emperor spends Uriel V ignored their warnings and led a disastrous failed invasion of [[{{Wutai}} Akavir]]. Afterward, the entire game dead Order withdrew from serving in Uriel's case or not actually taken this position and became so suspect in the throne [[spoiler:and later [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becoming an avatar]]]] in Martin's probably helps.
** [[spoiler: ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' reveals that for ten years after the Oblivion Crisis, Ocato served as the ''de facto'' leader
eyes of the Empire while that their ambassadors were barred from entering the Imperial City.
** Ocato served [[TheGoodKing Emperor Uriel Septim VII]], and later his [[HiddenBackupPrince bastard son Martin]], as both High Chancellor of
the Elder Council debated on who should take and as [[CourtMage Imperial Battlemage]]. After the throne. events of the [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion Crisis]] leave no Septim on the Imperial throne for the first time in centuries, Ocato took over as [[RegentForLife Potentate]] in accordance with the Imperial Elder Council Charter after exhausting all other alternatives. For the next ten years, Ocato successfully held the fracture Empire together. Unfortunately for the Empire, (and the rest of Tamriel in general), he Ocato was so good at keeping the peace that [[ScaryDogmaticAliens the]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] decided to have had him assassinated.]]assassinated in an attempt to destabilize the Empire and make way for the rebirth of the [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]]. The power of the Dominion would wax in the decades leading up to the [[GreatOffscreenWar Great War]] and the events of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' while the power of the Third Empire would wane to the point of becoming a true VestigialEmpire.
24th Aug '17 8:54:55 PM LadyNorbert
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*** By the time of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Bann Teagan has succeeded his brother and become the Arl of Redcliffe, but the ''Trespasser'' DLC indicates that he's serving as this for either of the possibly rulers of Ferelden.

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*** By the time of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Bann Teagan has succeeded his brother and become the Arl of Redcliffe, but the ''Trespasser'' DLC indicates that he's serving as this for either of the possibly possible rulers of Ferelden.
24th Aug '17 8:53:55 PM LadyNorbert
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* In the FanFic ''The Basalt City Chronicles'', Priest-Emperor Zaykar and The Guardian of the Crown Lord Kosgan do ''not'' get along well, at least on the surface. However, Lord Kosgan is actually utterly loyal to the Empire; his friction with the somewhat younger Priest-Emperor was originally to make sure that the Empire got a strong ruler

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* In the FanFic ''The Basalt City Chronicles'', Priest-Emperor Zaykar and The Guardian of the Crown Lord Kosgan do ''not'' get along well, at least on the surface. However, Lord Kosgan is actually utterly loyal to the Empire; his friction with the somewhat younger Priest-Emperor was originally to make sure that the Empire got a strong ruler



* In ''Disney/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar,'' Aladdin is promoted to Vizier in Jafar's place. Though you could easily miss this point, since he spends the rest of the movie, [[WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries the TV series]] and [[Disney/AladdinAndTheKingOfThieves the sequel]] just battling villains and monsters instead of governmental work.

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* In ''Disney/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar,'' Aladdin is promoted to Vizier in Jafar's place. Though you It should be noted that the viewer could easily miss this point, since he spends the rest of the movie, [[WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries the TV series]] series]], and [[Disney/AladdinAndTheKingOfThieves the sequel]] just battling villains and monsters instead of governmental work.



** He doesn't consider Aragorn to be the true heir though, since the Council of Gondor ruled out Isildur's line from having a right to the throne long ago, though Denethor conveniently ignores that Aragorn ''is'' Anárion's heir as well, though through the female line by marriage, not a direct male-line descendant. Denethor also ignores that, without Aragorn's tenuous relation, the House of Anárion is ''extinct'' (though the Kings of Rohan are distantly related), and Aragorn, as Isildur's heir, is also the heir of Elendil, who founded both kingdoms and fathered both Isildur and Anárion, giving him by far the strongest claim to the throne of Gondor, to the point where he is the only viable candidate.

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** He doesn't consider Aragorn to be the true heir though, since the Council of Gondor ruled out Isildur's line from having a right to the throne long ago, though ago. Denethor conveniently ignores that Aragorn ''is'' Anárion's heir as well, though through the female line by marriage, not a direct male-line descendant. Denethor also ignores that, without Aragorn's tenuous relation, the House of Anárion is ''extinct'' (though the Kings of Rohan are distantly related), and Aragorn, as Isildur's heir, is also the heir of Elendil, who founded both kingdoms and fathered both Isildur and Anárion, giving him by far the strongest claim to the throne of Gondor, to the point where he is the only viable candidate.



* Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms has a few of these:

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* Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' has a few of these:



** Kevan Lannister is the loyal lieutenant to his ruthless brother [[EvilChancellor Tywin]], de facto ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. Unlike his brother, he is a good and honest man, though [[YesMan not very assertive]], and too willing to carry out Tywin's darker commands such as [[RapePillageAndBurn burning the Riverlands]]. However, in ''A Dance with Dragons'', he has to become regent and Hand for the underage King after every other viable Lannister candidate is dead, disgraced or otherwise unavailable, and he proves to be nearly as capable as Tywin and far more kind about it. He's ''so'' good, in fact, that he might be the one man who could keep the Lannister regime from falling apart. [[spoiler: Which is why Varys has him murdered, because Varys wants the realm to keep decaying until [[RightfulKingReturns the Targaryens can return to retake the throne]].]]
** In ''[[Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg The Hedge Knight]]'', Prince Baelor Breakspear is a straight example. [[spoiler:Until he's accidentally killed in a [[TrialByCombat Trial Of Seven]] by his brother Maekar]].
* Paul Kidd's TalkingAnimal novel ''Literature/TheFangsOfKaath'', has the Grand Vizier of the Kingdom of Osra who is seemingly the only good hearted member of the court outside Prince Raschid. In fact, given that the Shah is callously indifferent to his own son, the Vizier is effectively much more a father to the naive prince than his biological one. Even Raschid's love, the cynical Sandhri, is the first to defend the Vizier when Raschid suspects him of jailing her without cause. When the villains magically drive him to his death, Raschid learns he is singled out for an inheritance, but his only request is the honor of carrying his beloved friend's ashes to his tomb at the funeral.

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** Kevan Lannister is the loyal lieutenant to his ruthless brother [[EvilChancellor Tywin]], de facto ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. Unlike his brother, he is a good and honest man, though [[YesMan not very assertive]], and too willing to carry out Tywin's darker commands such as [[RapePillageAndBurn burning the Riverlands]]. However, in ''A Dance with Dragons'', he has to become regent and Hand for the underage King after every other viable Lannister candidate is dead, disgraced disgraced, or otherwise unavailable, and he proves to be nearly as capable as Tywin and far more kind kinder about it. He's ''so'' good, in fact, that he might be the one man who could keep the Lannister regime from falling apart. [[spoiler: Which This is why Varys has him murdered, because Varys wants the realm to keep decaying until [[RightfulKingReturns the Targaryens can return to retake the throne]].]]
** In ''[[Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg The Hedge Knight]]'', Prince Baelor Breakspear is a straight example. [[spoiler:Until example [[spoiler:until he's accidentally killed in a [[TrialByCombat Trial Of Seven]] by his brother Maekar]].
* Paul Kidd's TalkingAnimal novel ''Literature/TheFangsOfKaath'', has the Grand Vizier of the Kingdom of Osra Osra, who is seemingly the only good hearted good-hearted member of the court outside apart from Prince Raschid. In fact, given that the Shah is callously indifferent to his own son, the Vizier is effectively much more a father to the naive prince than his biological one. Even Raschid's love, the cynical Sandhri, is the first to defend the Vizier when Raschid suspects him of jailing her without cause. When the villains magically drive him to his death, Raschid learns he is singled out for an inheritance, but his only request is the honor of carrying his beloved friend's ashes to his tomb at the funeral.



* In the Literature/VorkosiganSaga, Lord Admiral Aral Vorkosigan was appointed Regent for five year old Emperor Gregor, serving loyally for fifteen years when most of his enemies thought he would make a grab for the throne. Upon Gregor's ascension to the throne, he stepped down and continued in the role as the Emperor's Prime Minister. The page quote is Gregor's explanation for why [[spoiler:he insisted on being one of the pallbearers at Aral's funeral.]]

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* In the Literature/VorkosiganSaga, Lord Admiral Aral Vorkosigan was appointed Regent for five year old five-year-old Emperor Gregor, serving loyally for fifteen years when most of his enemies thought he would make a grab for the throne. Upon Gregor's ascension to the throne, he stepped down and continued in the role as the Emperor's Prime Minister. The page quote is Gregor's explanation for why [[spoiler:he insisted on being one of the pallbearers at Aral's funeral.]]



* In ''Series/TinMan'' Ambrose is all over this trope and has the exact same position in the [[spoiler: Ozian court as his Scarecrow counterpart]]. When the {{Mooks}} march into the Queen's garden, he literally stands between them and his Queen, ready to die for her. [[spoiler: Of course, is isn't killed, but he is given a alchemical lobotomy and tossed into the wild, taking the name "Glitch." His loyalty and service to the Queen is one of the very few things he will never forget.]]

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* In ''Series/TinMan'' ''Series/TinMan,'' Ambrose is all over this trope and has the exact same position in the [[spoiler: Ozian court as his Scarecrow counterpart]]. When the {{Mooks}} march into the Queen's garden, he literally stands between them and his Queen, ready to die for her. [[spoiler: Of course, is he isn't killed, but he is given a alchemical lobotomy and tossed into the wild, taking the name "Glitch." His loyalty and service to the Queen is one of the very few things he will never forget.]]



* Ocato in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', but particularly in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', where he actually plays a role bigger than being mentioned or just showing up in a short cutscene with no lines. The fact that the (good) Emperor spends the entire game dead in Uriel's case or not actually taken the throne [[spoiler:and later [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becoming an avatar]]]] in Martin's probably helps.

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* Ocato in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', but and particularly in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', where he actually plays a role bigger than being mentioned or just showing up in a short cutscene with no lines. The fact that the (good) Emperor spends the entire game dead in Uriel's case or not actually taken the throne [[spoiler:and later [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becoming an avatar]]]] in Martin's probably helps.



* While he's technically the seneschal of Vigil's Keep, Varel functions as this trope in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening''. Prior to the start of the story, Varel was imprisoned by Arl Rendon Howe for attempting to counteract the worst of his lord's atrocities. When the Grey Wardens are awarded the arling of Amaranthine, he is re-appointed as seneschal and is a helpful ally.

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* While he's technically the seneschal of Vigil's Keep, Varel functions as this trope in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening''. Prior to the start of the story, Varel was imprisoned by Arl Rendon Howe for attempting to counteract the worst of his lord's atrocities. When the Grey Wardens are awarded the arling of Amaranthine, he is re-appointed as seneschal and is a helpful ally.''Franchise/DragonAge'':



** While he's technically the seneschal of Vigil's Keep, Varel functions as this trope in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening''. Prior to the start of the story, Varel was imprisoned by Arl Rendon Howe for attempting to counteract the worst of his lord's atrocities. When the Grey Wardens are awarded the arling of Amaranthine, he is re-appointed as seneschal and is a helpful ally.



* The Chancellor of Figaro, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'', seems to be this in the few appearences he makes.

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*** By the time of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Bann Teagan has succeeded his brother and become the Arl of Redcliffe, but the ''Trespasser'' DLC indicates that he's serving as this for either of the possibly rulers of Ferelden.
* The Chancellor of Figaro, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'', seems to be this in the few appearences appearances he makes.



* Impa from ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' is portrayed as always looking out for the best interests of Princess Zelda and the Kingdom of Hyrule. Occasionally, she is even shown as a ParentalSubstitute for Zelda. Even in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Skyward Sword]]'', where Zelda is not a princess and there is no Kingdom of Hyrule to be a chancellor in, she manages to fulfill the same role.
* Cristo/Kiryl in ''VideoGame/DragonQuestIV'' / ''Dragon Warrior IV'' is completely loyal (and has a crush on his kingdom's princess, which doesn't hurt the loyalty thing one bit.)

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* Impa from ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' is portrayed as always looking out for the best interests of Princess Zelda and the Kingdom of Hyrule. Occasionally, she is even shown as a ParentalSubstitute for Zelda. Even in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Skyward Sword]]'', where Zelda is not a princess and there is no Kingdom of Hyrule to be a chancellor in, Hyrule, she still manages to fulfill the same role.
* Cristo/Kiryl in ''VideoGame/DragonQuestIV'' / ''Dragon Warrior IV'' is completely loyal (and has a crush on his kingdom's princess, which doesn't hurt the loyalty thing one bit.)bit).
14th Jul '17 5:35:15 AM gb00393
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** Tywin Lannister served as Hand to ''the Mad King'' for twenty stable and prosperous years, which ended almost immediately upon his dismissal. He takes up the position again in Season 3 and stabilizes the Lannister regime by cowing his sadistic grandson and his quarrelsome children.

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** Surprisingly for his horrible personality, Tywin Lannister seems this way for many people who aren't personally affected by him. He served as Hand to ''the Mad King'' for twenty of the most stable and prosperous years, years Westeros had experienced in recent memory, which ended almost immediately upon his dismissal. He takes up the position again in Season 3 under Joffrey (Mad King 2.0) and stabilizes the Lannister regime by cowing his sadistic grandson (making him a PuppetKing) and his quarrelsome children.children and actually running Westeros. When the main part of the war is officially over, he turns to consolidating the Kingdom with new alliances with the Tyrells and Martells, as well as focusing on solving the crown's debts. He's still a ''huge'' asshole but someone with a day-to-day grasp of administration.
24th May '17 1:03:18 PM JoeMerl
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* In ''Disney/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar,'' Aladdin is promoted to Vizier in Jafar's place. Though you could easily miss this point, since he spends the rest of the movie, [[WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries the TV series]] and [[Disney/AladdinAndTheKingOfThieves the sequel]] just battling villains and monsters instead of governmental work.
16th May '17 4:19:59 PM nombretomado
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* The kirin of TheTwelveKingdoms are ostensibly this. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] though due to their StupidGood natures. Good rulers learn when to heed their kirin and when to disregard their advice because compassion alone cannot administer a nation.

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* The kirin of TheTwelveKingdoms ''LightNovel/TheTwelveKingdoms'' are ostensibly this. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] though due to their StupidGood natures. Good rulers learn when to heed their kirin and when to disregard their advice because compassion alone cannot administer a nation.
21st Apr '17 10:09:25 AM gb00393
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** Davos serves as this to Stannis Baratheon, which helps counterbalance the influence Melisandre has on him.

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** Davos serves as this as NumberTwo to Stannis Baratheon, Baratheon at Dragonstone, which helps counterbalance the influence Melisandre has on him.him. Stannis plans to make him Hand of the King and Davos takes the position very seriously.
--> '''Davos:''' I understand (being sentenced to death), but since you have not ''unnamed me'' Hand of the King, it is ''my duty'' to advise you against it.
20th Apr '17 5:36:24 AM Bissek
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* ''WebComic/GirlGenius'': Vanamonde von Mekkhan has, after taking up the mantle of seneschal to House Heterodyne from his grandfather, proven himself to be a capable administrator, organiser, spymaster and tactician, and completely devoted to the welfare of the House Heterodyne and the people of Mechanicsburg. His grandfather Carson served both Seamus Heterodyne and Seamus' sons Bill and Barry with similar skill and loyalty, but given the elder Heterodyne's character (not to mention Carson's youthful days as a volunteer in said elder Heterodyne's marauding horde) it's a bit unclear where on the Good-Evil axis he falls.

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* ''WebComic/GirlGenius'': Vanamonde von Mekkhan has, after taking up the mantle of seneschal to House Heterodyne from his grandfather, proven himself to be a capable administrator, organiser, spymaster and tactician, and completely devoted to the welfare of the House Heterodyne and the people of Mechanicsburg. His grandfather Carson served both Seamus Saturnus Heterodyne and Seamus' Saturnus' sons Bill and Barry with similar skill and loyalty, but given the elder Heterodyne's character (not to mention Carson's youthful days as a volunteer in said elder Heterodyne's marauding horde) it's a bit unclear where on the Good-Evil axis he falls.
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