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12th Sep '17 2:11:10 AM Carnel
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Expect this to be used both straight and subverted or played with when works mirror the tendency in RealLife for people to use this as an excuse to not act charitably towards those in need, stereotyping someone (typically someone they haven't met or have only interacted with briefly) with bad traits associated with a label or group that they belong to (or appear superficially that they belong to) so as to make the case that they either don't "deserve" help, are dangerous to help (or that the person who helps them will be rewarded with unkind behavior in return), or, in extreme cases, to justify cruel, unlawful or evil acts against them. This could be anything from not giving a beggar money because "they'll spend it all on drugs" to a serial killer choosing to murder prostitutes (or women dressed skimpily) because "they're wicked sinful whores who deserve to die." In a variation, it isn't uncommon in police procedurals to come across a killer who believes that by killing or sacrificing people of a certain group in a ritualistic way, they are acting mercifully or fulfilling some religious belief, following similar reasoning - e.g. "cleansing them of a miserable or evil existence".

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Expect this to be used both straight and subverted or played with when works mirror the tendency in RealLife for people to use this as an excuse to not act charitably towards those in need, stereotyping someone (typically someone they haven't met or have only interacted with briefly) with bad traits associated with a label or group that they belong to (or appear superficially that they belong to) so as to make the case that they either don't "deserve" help, are dangerous to help (or that the person who helps them will be rewarded with unkind behavior in return), or, in extreme cases, to justify cruel, unlawful or evil acts against them. This could be anything from not giving a beggar money because "they'll spend it all on drugs" to a serial killer choosing to murder prostitutes (or women dressed skimpily) because "they're wicked sinful whores who deserve to die." In a variation, it isn't uncommon in police procedurals to come across a killer who believes that by killing or sacrificing people of a certain group in a ritualistic way, they are acting mercifully or fulfilling some religious belief, following similar reasoning - e.g. "cleansing them of a miserable or evil existence". \n On the other hand, playing this trope straight is a great way to establish a villainous character having passed the MoralEventHorizon in a short amount of time.
9th Aug '17 9:29:28 AM KizunaTallis
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* Alluded to in the ''Series/YoureTheWorst'' episode aptly titled "You Knew It Was a Snake". Paul, having finally [[GrewASpine grown a spine]], calls Lindsay out on being so selfish, immature and petty, to which Lindsay can only sadly but simply retort [[TitleDrop "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up"]], pointing out that Paul let his shallow attraction to her blind him to her many glaring flaws and he has no one to blame but himself for his own misery.

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* Alluded to in the ''Series/YoureTheWorst'' episode aptly titled "You Knew It Was a Snake". Paul, having finally [[GrewASpine grown a spine]], calls Lindsay out on being so selfish, immature immature, petty and petty, an all-around terrible wife, to which Lindsay can only sadly but simply retort [[TitleDrop "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up"]], pointing out that Paul let his shallow attraction to her blind him to her many glaring flaws and the fact that she just simply was not "wife material" and he has no one to blame but himself for his own misery.
18th Jul '17 5:51:33 AM MysteriousZorua1994
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* ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClankFutureToolsOfDestruction'': Upon discovering his heritage as a [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Cragmite]], [[BigBad Emperor Tachyon]] immediately got to work on wiping out the entire Lombax race (the ones who ''raised him from a hatchling'', in spite of what he was) and coercing the Drophyds into helping him take over the galaxy and bring about the return of said Cragmites. Ratchet rightfully [[LampshadeHanging calls him on it]]:

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* ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClankFutureToolsOfDestruction'': Upon discovering his heritage as a [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Cragmite]], [[BigBad Emperor Tachyon]] immediately got to work on [[FinalSolution wiping out the entire Lombax race race]] (the ones who ''raised him from a hatchling'', in spite of what he was) and coercing the Drophyds into helping him take over the galaxy and bring about the return of said Cragmites. Ratchet rightfully [[LampshadeHanging calls him on it]]:
9th Jul '17 6:37:16 AM Kalaong
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* Variant in ''Literature/AgathaHAndTheClockworkPrincess'', a novelization of ''Webcomic/GirlGenius''; EmperorScientist [[TheExtremistWasRight Klaus Wulfenbach]] takes in vipers all the freaking time, as most of his enemies are crazy and/or evil. He just takes precautions first.

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* Variant in ''Literature/AgathaHAndTheClockworkPrincess'', a novelization of ''Webcomic/GirlGenius''; EmperorScientist [[TheExtremistWasRight Klaus Wulfenbach]] takes in vipers all the freaking time, as most of his enemies are crazy and/or evil.evil and he wants some vague semblance of peace. He just takes precautions first.



--> '''Eddie Deacon/Billy (the seal boy)''': Why Croc? Why'd you turn on us like that? We could've helped you, we could've done something.
--> '''Killer Croc:''' You said you could be yourself out here, remember? [[CryForTheDevil I guess that's what I was doing. Being myself.]]

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--> '''Eddie Deacon/Billy (the seal boy)''': Why Croc? Why'd you turn on us like that? We could've helped you, we could've done something. \n--> \\
'''Killer Croc:''' You said you could be yourself out here, remember? [[CryForTheDevil I guess that's what I was doing. Being myself.]]
9th Jul '17 6:33:08 AM Kalaong
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* Variant in ''Literature/AgathaHAndTheClockworkPrincess'', a novelization of ''Webcomic/GirlGenius''.

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* Variant in ''Literature/AgathaHAndTheClockworkPrincess'', a novelization of ''Webcomic/GirlGenius''.''Webcomic/GirlGenius''; EmperorScientist [[TheExtremistWasRight Klaus Wulfenbach]] takes in vipers all the freaking time, as most of his enemies are crazy and/or evil. He just takes precautions first.
29th Jun '17 12:43:05 PM KizunaTallis
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** After quelling the rebellion of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes, Prince Doran Martell gives them a second chance, which they promptly use to kill Myrcella Baratheon, Prince Trystane's fiancée.

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** After quelling the rebellion of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes, Prince Doran Martell gives them a second chance, which they promptly use to kill Myrcella Baratheon, Prince Trystane's fiancée. And then they turn on him too.




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* Alluded to in the ''Series/YoureTheWorst'' episode aptly titled "You Knew It Was a Snake". Paul, having finally [[GrewASpine grown a spine]], calls Lindsay out on being so selfish, immature and petty, to which Lindsay can only sadly but simply retort [[TitleDrop "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up"]], pointing out that Paul let his shallow attraction to her blind him to her many glaring flaws and he has no one to blame but himself for his own misery.



-->--'''''The Snake'''''
8th Jun '17 6:43:46 PM DustSnitch
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* A version of the story from the American South comes from the collection that became ''Disney/SongOfTheSouth''. In it, Brer Possum helps Brer Snake out of one jam after another, only to be told at the last, "Well, you knowed I was a snake when you put me in your pocket!"

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* A version of the story from the American South comes from the collection that became ''Disney/SongOfTheSouth''.''Film/SongOfTheSouth''. In it, Brer Possum helps Brer Snake out of one jam after another, only to be told at the last, "Well, you knowed I was a snake when you put me in your pocket!"
5th Jun '17 11:19:10 AM Darkaros
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* In Season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', the heroes meet an orphan named Kai, who claims that his parents were killed fighting a gang of bandits. The law enforcement officers chasing him say that he actually was adopted by a wealthy family, and "thanked" them for their kindness by clearing them out of all their valuables and making a run for it.

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* In Season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', the heroes meet an orphan named Kai, who claims that his parents were killed fighting a gang of bandits. The law enforcement officers chasing him say that he actually was adopted by a wealthy family, and "thanked" them for their kindness by clearing them out of all their valuables and making a run for it. Kai ultimately proves to be a JerkWithAHeartOfGold following some CharacterDevelopment in later episodes -- he notes he probably deserves the suspicion he received up to the final episode of the season.
24th May '17 8:55:40 PM Liamdurf
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** Don Krieg and his crew were starving after their fleet was destroyed by Dracule Mihawk. Sanji fed them over everyone else's protests. Don Krieg "thanked" him by attacking him the moment he felt satiated and declared his intent to claim the floating restaurant as his new flagship. Sanji likely knew this would be the outcome, but having nearly started to death once himself, wouldn't wish such a fate on ''anyone''.

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** Don Krieg and his crew were starving after their fleet was destroyed by Dracule Mihawk. Sanji fed them over everyone else's protests. Don Krieg "thanked" him by attacking him the moment he felt satiated and declared his intent to claim the floating restaurant as his new flagship. Sanji likely knew this would be the outcome, but having nearly started starved to death once himself, wouldn't wish such a fate on ''anyone''.
20th May '17 5:25:38 AM Dragon101
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* Near the end of ''Film/SupermanII'', Superman asks Lex Luthor to help him trick Zod, Ursa and Nod into depowering themselves by getting him into a chamber that would take away their powers. Lex ''immediately'' informs Zod to get back into his good graces, despite Zod having turned on him earlier, and Zod promises to give him the ShinyNewAustralia he was asking for all along, Superman is forced into the chamber instead. [[spoiler: Unfortunately for Lex and Zod, Superman ''counted'' on Lex doing exactly that, [[BatmanGambit knowing]] that Lex was a SmugSnake with ChronicBackstabbingDisorder who couldn't help himself, and had rigged the chamber so that it worked in reverse- Superman was protected while ''inside'' the chamber, but Zod and his minions lost their powers because they ''weren't'', leaving Superman the only one with powers again.]]
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