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22nd Jun '17 1:13:13 PM abscake
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Because men are "[[MenActWomenAre supposed to take action]], men perpetually dithering may get less sympathy [[DoubleStandard than women]]. Particularly so in romance genres, when a woman's indecision may be played for {{Moe}} points. The character who [[HotBlooded plunges headlong into a situation without any thought]] is more likely to succeed than the character who [[ThePhilosopher prepares a dissertation on the issue]], unless a "look before you leap" {{Aesop}} is being enforced.

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Because men are "[[MenActWomenAre [[MenActWomenAre supposed to take action]], men perpetually dithering may get less sympathy [[DoubleStandard than women]]. Particularly so in romance genres, when a woman's indecision may be played for {{Moe}} points. The character who [[HotBlooded plunges headlong into a situation without any thought]] is more likely to succeed than the character who [[ThePhilosopher prepares a dissertation on the issue]], unless a "look before you leap" {{Aesop}} is being enforced.
22nd Jun '17 1:11:42 PM abscake
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Decisions are odd things -- as kids, we long for the freedom to make our own, but when confronted with one, many of us are inclined to panic. All but the most impulsive of us want time to make big decisions, and don't like being forced to make a shotgun choice. That's understandable -- especially if the decision in question is life-changing (should I propose? Should I go to college? Should I move to a different country?) or irreversible (Do I [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice my life to save this person?]] Do I tell my child that s/he [[HappilyAdopted is adopted]]?) and ''especially'' if they are both.

But there are also people who struggle with ''all'' decisions. Don't ask them what they want for dinner unless you have an entire day free in your calendar. Don't make them pick which film you and your group are going to see, because by the time they've decided (reluctantly) which one to pick, the cinema will have moved on to different movies.

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Decisions are odd things -- as kids, we long for the freedom to make our own, but when confronted with one, many of us are inclined to panic. All but the most impulsive of us want time to make big decisions, and don't like being forced to make a shotgun choice. That's understandable -- especially if the decision in question is life-changing (should I propose? Should I go to college? Should I move to a different country?) or irreversible (Do I [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice my life to save this person?]] Do I tell my child that s/he they're [[HappilyAdopted is adopted]]?) and ''especially'' if they are both.

But there are also people who struggle with ''all'' decisions. Don't ask them what they want for dinner unless you have an entire day free in your calendar. Don't make them pick which film you and your group are you're going to see, because by the time they've decided (reluctantly) which one to pick, the cinema will have moved on to different movies.
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* '''The Wishy-Washy''': The character is basically spineless, and his/her inability to make decisions or take responsibility is a hallmark of their general cowardice. Often selfish to some extent -- the basic reason for their indecision is that they want to have their cake and eat it, and choosing one thing may mean rejecting another.

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* '''The Wishy-Washy''': The character is basically spineless, and his/her their inability to make decisions or take responsibility is a hallmark of their general cowardice. Often selfish to some extent -- the basic reason for their indecision is that they want to have their cake and eat it, and choosing one thing may mean rejecting another.



All except the Wishy-Washy and "Just Plain Lazy" types have a degree of sympathy, but in societies that value self-direction and assertiveness (for example, the USA), the inability to make decisions (or even spending too ''long'' on making one, even if you get there eventually) is A Bad Thing, and a hallmark of immaturity or lack of character -- especially in a man. Societies that favour thought and reason, however, tend to be more sympathetic, as long as it is clear the Ditherer is ''really'' thinking about it and not dodging the issue.

Men perpetually dithering don't get ''half'' the sympathy [[DoubleStandard that women do]], particularly when female indecision is played for {{Moe}} points -- probably because men are "[[MenActWomenAre supposed to take action]]." The character who [[HotBlooded plunges headlong into a situation without any thought]] is more likely to succeed than the character who [[ThePhilosopher prepares a dissertation on the issue]], unless a "look before you leap" {{Aesop}} is being enforced.

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All except the Wishy-Washy and "Just Plain Lazy" types have a degree of sympathy, but in societies that value self-direction and assertiveness (for example, the USA), assertiveness, the inability to make decisions (or even spending too ''long'' on making one, even if you get there eventually) quickly is A Bad Thing, and a hallmark of immaturity or lack of character -- especially in a man.character. Societies that favour thought and reason, however, tend to be more sympathetic, as long as it is clear the Ditherer is ''really'' thinking about it and not dodging the issue.

Men perpetually dithering don't get ''half'' the sympathy [[DoubleStandard that women do]], particularly when female indecision is played for {{Moe}} points -- probably because Because men are "[[MenActWomenAre supposed to take action]]." action]], men perpetually dithering may get less sympathy [[DoubleStandard than women]]. Particularly so in romance genres, when a woman's indecision may be played for {{Moe}} points. The character who [[HotBlooded plunges headlong into a situation without any thought]] is more likely to succeed than the character who [[ThePhilosopher prepares a dissertation on the issue]], unless a "look before you leap" {{Aesop}} is being enforced.
16th May '17 9:12:07 AM Gamermaster
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* This is played as a gag with Elma in the ''Manga/MissKobayashisDragonMaid'' anime. She is shown to have problem deciding which flavor she wants when ordering food, and ends up buying all of the available options. She is even frustrated about choosing what toothpaste to use when all three options are fruit flavored.

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* This is played as a gag with Elma [[BigEater Elma]] in the ''Manga/MissKobayashisDragonMaid'' anime. She is shown to have problem deciding which flavor she wants when ordering food, and ends up buying all of the available options. She is even frustrated about choosing what toothpaste to use when all three options are fruit flavored.
16th May '17 9:10:45 AM Gamermaster
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* This is played as a gag with Elma in the ''Manga/MissKobayashisDragonMaid'' anime. She is shown to have problem deciding which flavor she wants when ordering food, and ends up buying all of the available options. She is even frustrated about choosing what toothpaste to use when all three options are fruit flavored.
23rd Apr '17 4:52:38 AM Scabbard
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-->'''Cousin Tu''': Really? That again? Yaknow, it seems like you're so afraid about disappointing anyone that you end up disappointing ''everyone''.\\

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-->'''Cousin Tu''': Really? That again? Yaknow, Ya know, it seems like you're so afraid about disappointing anyone that you end up disappointing ''everyone''.\\
13th Apr '17 11:01:32 PM apetron
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* Andromeda from ''Literature/TheMarkOfTheTala''. After their rather violent MeetCute, Rayfe appeals to the princess to comply with their families' treaty and return with him to Annwyn as his wife. He then uses all (rather hard-nosed) attempts available to him, from TalkingInYourDreams to StormingTheCastle to move her into making a plan to join him willingly or be KidnappedByAnAlly.

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* Andromeda from ''Literature/TheMarkOfTheTala''. After their rather violent MeetCute, Rayfe appeals to the princess to comply with their families' treaty and return with him to Annwyn as his wife. Annwyn. He then uses all (rather hard-nosed) (hard-nosed) attempts available to him, from TalkingInYourDreams to StormingTheCastle StormingTheCastle, to move her into making a plan to decide whether to join him willingly or be KidnappedByAnAlly.
13th Apr '17 10:58:56 PM apetron
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* Andromeda from ''Literature/TheMarkOfTheTala''. After their rather violent MeetCute, Rayfe appeals to the princess to comply to their families' treaty and return with him to Annwyn as his wife. He then uses all (rather hard-nosed) attempts available to him, from TalkingInYourDreams to StormingTheCastle to move her into making a plan to join him willingly or be KidnappedByAnAlly.

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* Andromeda from ''Literature/TheMarkOfTheTala''. After their rather violent MeetCute, Rayfe appeals to the princess to comply to with their families' treaty and return with him to Annwyn as his wife. He then uses all (rather hard-nosed) attempts available to him, from TalkingInYourDreams to StormingTheCastle to move her into making a plan to join him willingly or be KidnappedByAnAlly.
13th Apr '17 10:58:22 PM apetron
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* Andromeda from ''Literature/TheMarkOfTheTala''. After their rather violent MeetCute, Rayfe appeals to the princess to comply to their families' treaty and return with him to Annwyn as his wife. He then uses all (rather hard-nosed) attempts available to him, from TalkingInYourDreams to StormingTheCastle to move her into making a plan to join him willingly or be KidnappedByAnAlly.
2nd Feb '17 7:40:47 AM CaptainTedium
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* The ''WesternAnimation/MikeLuAndOg'' episode "Flustering Footwear Flotsam" had the natives of Albonquetine discover footwear, each of them facing a problem now that they have the option to wear shoes. Wendel's problem is that he is unable to decide which of two pairs of shoes to wear.
21st Jan '17 5:58:05 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Anime/MacrossDelta'': Heinz Windemere is a fence-sitting type. [[PlanetaryNation Windemere]] has started a war in the name of galactic domination; and since he is the king, Heinz cannot afford second thoughts but doesn’t entirely agree with the idea of aggressive expansion. Unfortunately, because he is more useful as a [[CastFromLifespan Wind Singer]] than as an authority figure, he has to defer to [[EvilChancellor Roid]] for the actual ruling of Windemere. [[spoiler:In the later episodes, he makes his choice and [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil boy, is it a wrong one.]]]]

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* ''Anime/MacrossDelta'': Heinz Windemere Windermere is a fence-sitting type. [[PlanetaryNation Windemere]] Windermere]] has started a war in the name of galactic domination; and since he is the king, Heinz cannot afford second thoughts but doesn’t entirely agree with the idea of aggressive expansion. Unfortunately, because he is more useful as a [[CastFromLifespan Wind Singer]] than as an authority figure, he has to defer to [[EvilChancellor Roid]] for the actual ruling of Windemere.Windermere. [[spoiler:In the later episodes, he makes his choice and [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil boy, is it a wrong one.]]]]
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