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4th Jul '17 9:47:54 PM mogryo
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* ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' has been suffering from this problem for some time. During the first 6-7 years of the strip's existence, artist Pete Abrams created a veritable arsenal of {{Chekhovs Gun}}s... then stopped firing any of them. To make matters even more frustrating, Abrams often spends many months working on side plots that don't play a major role in advancing the numerous plot threads he already created. Things are beginning to move again, but at this point it's hard to believe Abrams could possibly wrap up the strip in less than 4-5 years, even if he created ''no'' new plot elements. Every resolution adds a few more questions. Arguably, though, Abrams has been lampshading this with the "fate spider" comics.
** Several things ''have'' been resolved, others clearly advanced; what seems like a majority of readers (on the forums) are confident enough Pete can pull it all together given (lots of) time. He has done it before on a more limited scale, and proven himself a master of planning in advance. So, averted in that faith has not been lost.
** [[http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/070122 Erica Henderson]] did a very good job parodying this during her guest week back in 2007, pulling at several loose plot threads and even introducing "Pete" as a ''Wizard of Oz''-type god.
** The real irony? Back when ''Series/TheXFiles'' was still on the air, he made jokes at Chris Carter's expense about the need to resolve plotlines lest the reader lose faith or believe the writer is just making things up as he goes along.
** As of the start of 2013, the new Mohkadun arc began, and has been firing off said Chekhov's Guns at an astounding rate, explaining large amounts of the K'z'k plotline, which has not been given more than the occasional ominous nod since 2005, and covering a large variety of minor mysteries.
* After some 1,200 comics, the ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater'' foursome could probably have figured out a clever way to defeat Chaos and win the day as they did with all their other extremely powerful foes, but the story instead had them depowered and sent off somewhere to muck about, formulating some kind of plan to go back up against the BigBad. Of course the comic runs on {{Padding}} and AntiClimax, but still!
** Of course, in this case, the AntiClimax was awesome. [[spoiler:Chaos defeated by four White Mages, which [[BrickJoke completes the joke]] set up some ''1,400'' strips before?]] ''YES!''
*** This gets MUCH, MUCH more reasonable, when you realize the author is the second-biggest troll on the internet, next to Homestuck's author.

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* %%* ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' has been suffering from this problem for some time. During the first 6-7 years of the strip's existence, artist Pete Abrams created a veritable arsenal of {{Chekhovs Gun}}s... then stopped firing any of them. To make matters even more frustrating, Abrams often spends many months working on side plots that don't play a major role in advancing the numerous plot threads he already created. Things are beginning to move again, but at this point it's hard to believe Abrams could possibly wrap up the strip in less than 4-5 years, even if he created ''no'' new plot elements. Every resolution adds a few more questions. Arguably, though, Abrams has been lampshading this with the "fate spider" comics.
** %%** Several things ''have'' been resolved, others clearly advanced; what seems like a majority of readers (on the forums) are confident enough Pete can pull it all together given (lots of) time. He has done it before on a more limited scale, and proven himself a master of planning in advance. So, averted in that faith has not been lost.
** %%** [[http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/070122 Erica Henderson]] did a very good job parodying this during her guest week back in 2007, pulling at several loose plot threads and even introducing "Pete" as a ''Wizard of Oz''-type god.
** %%** The real irony? Back when ''Series/TheXFiles'' was still on the air, he made jokes at Chris Carter's expense about the need to resolve plotlines lest the reader lose faith or believe the writer is just making things up as he goes along.
** %%** As of the start of 2013, the new Mohkadun arc began, and has been firing off said Chekhov's Guns at an astounding rate, explaining large amounts of the K'z'k plotline, which has not been given more than the occasional ominous nod since 2005, and covering a large variety of minor mysteries.
* After some 1,200 comics, the ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater'' foursome could probably have figured out a clever way to defeat Chaos and win the day as they did with all their other extremely powerful foes, but the story instead had them depowered and sent off somewhere to muck about, formulating some kind of plan to go back up against the BigBad. Of course the comic runs on {{Padding}} and AntiClimax, but still!
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BigBad.
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Of course, in this case, the AntiClimax was awesome. [[spoiler:Chaos defeated by four White Mages, which [[BrickJoke completes the joke]] set up some ''1,400'' strips before?]] ''YES!''
*** %%*** This gets MUCH, MUCH more reasonable, when you realize the author is the second-biggest troll on the internet, next to Homestuck's author.
4th Jul '17 4:58:21 AM mogryo
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* This is probably the reason the remake of ''Series/BionicWoman'' only lasted a season. The plot didn't last that long. More likely, it was canceled due to the writer's strike. The series only had eight episodes, which isn't enough time to survive a hiatus.
2nd Jul '17 5:28:42 PM infernape612
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** [[TropeNamer Named for]] Chris Carter, creator of ''Series/TheXFiles''. For the first half of [[TheNineties the 1990s]], the fans were convinced that Carter had plotted an elaborate and minutely thought-out web of deceit and lies for his FBI agents to unravel. Forests of EpilepticTrees sprouted around every new tantalizing hint revealed. No reference was too obscure for devoted X-Philes, who cheerfully threw themselves into history, folklore, myth, science, or any other branch of human knowledge that seemed like it might shed some light on the story. By mid-decade, though, the MythArc story had churned along for years without really answering any of the questions raised. It had, in fact, mutated into a dense KudzuPlot, and fans began to suspect that there ''was'' no intricately plotted story - he'd just been making it all up as he went along. (Carter eventually confirmed this suspicion.) Fans were irritated by the resolutions to side plots that were long running, such as the fate of Mulder's sister--[[spoiler: turns out she was spirited away by the fairies!]]. This eventually went on into the finale which made promises of resolving the MythArc which not only fails to do so but also in the last ten minutes presents a teaser for an alien invasion set to occur in 2012 (which to this day looks like it may never be resolved at all).

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** [[TropeNamer Named for]] Chris Carter, creator of ''Series/TheXFiles''. For the first half of [[TheNineties the 1990s]], the fans were convinced that Carter had plotted an elaborate and minutely thought-out web of deceit and lies for his FBI agents to unravel. Forests of EpilepticTrees sprouted around every new tantalizing hint revealed. No reference was too obscure for devoted X-Philes, who cheerfully threw themselves into history, folklore, myth, science, or any other branch of human knowledge that seemed like it might shed some light on the story. By mid-decade, though, the MythArc story had churned along for years without really answering any of the questions raised. It had, in fact, mutated into a dense KudzuPlot, and fans began to suspect that there ''was'' no intricately plotted story - he'd just been making it all up as he went along. (Carter eventually confirmed this suspicion.) Fans were irritated by the resolutions to side plots that were long running, such as the fate of Mulder's sister--[[spoiler: turns out she was spirited away by the fairies!]]. fairies]]! This eventually went on into the finale which made promises of resolving the MythArc which not only fails to do so but also in the last ten minutes presents a teaser for an alien invasion set to occur in 2012 (which to this day looks like it may never be resolved at all).



* Perhaps the ultimate example is ''Series/ThePrisoner1967'', which posed lots of ongoing questions Who runs the Village? Why did Number Six resign? Who is Number One? but ended with an [[MindScrew utterly incomprehensible]] GrandFinale [[GainaxEnding that answered none of them]].

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* Perhaps the ultimate example is ''Series/ThePrisoner1967'', which posed lots of ongoing questions Who runs the Village? Why did Number Six resign? Who is Number One? but ended with an [[MindScrew utterly incomprehensible]] GrandFinale [[GainaxEnding that answered none of them]].
23rd Jun '17 4:45:38 AM Dravencour
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* ''Manga/DragonBall'': Subverted. Although the manga's creator, Akira Toriyama, has stated several times that he was just making stuff up as he wrote each chapter, he actually managed quite brilliantly to solve most of them as time went on instead of leaving them hanging. Heck, even the fact that Goku had a tail was explained, and Oolong even suggested the theory that Goku was an alien a long time before Toriyama decided to make it so, giving the story unintentional foreshadowing.

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* ''Manga/DragonBall'': Subverted. Although the manga's creator, Akira Toriyama, has stated several times that he was just making stuff up as he wrote each chapter, he actually managed quite brilliantly to solve most of them as time went on instead of leaving them hanging. Heck, even the fact that Goku had a tail was explained, and Oolong even suggested the theory that Goku was an a space alien a long time before Toriyama decided to make it so, giving the story unintentional foreshadowing.
10th Jun '17 9:00:52 AM nombretomado
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* The WhateleyUniverse was supposed to run more-or-less in real time, and staying ahead of the actual date... but the series started in 2004 and has barely gotten into Winter Term of the ''first year'' of school, with some stories still stuck back in the Fall. Some fans are wondering if the authors will live long enough to finish the main story arc. It's been joked that the stories will wrap up any century now.

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* The WhateleyUniverse Literature/WhateleyUniverse was supposed to run more-or-less in real time, and staying ahead of the actual date... but the series started in 2004 and has barely gotten into Winter Term of the ''first year'' of school, with some stories still stuck back in the Fall. Some fans are wondering if the authors will live long enough to finish the main story arc. It's been joked that the stories will wrap up any century now.
4th Jun '17 8:36:05 AM TheDeadSkin
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* ''Spider-Man'''s "[[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Clone Saga]]". Originally, the story was supposed to wrap up after a few months, after an already complicated narrative. However, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling efforts]] of Marvel executives, the story was extended for another year, with plot twists being reversed constantly, and supposedly dead characters appearing, reappearing and then dying anticlimactically. The story finally limped to its conclusion with another plot twist that had almost nothing to do with most of the events that proceeded it ([[spoiler:ComicBook/NormanOsborn was back]]). It should be noted that, when the saga started, it was Marvel's highest-selling group of books. The act of stretching it to the limit for so long caused sales to slump, and fans turned away in droves.

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* ''Spider-Man'''s "[[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga ComicBook/{{The Clone Saga]]".Saga}}. Originally, the story was supposed to wrap up after a few months, after an already complicated narrative. However, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling efforts]] of Marvel executives, the story was extended for another year, with plot twists being reversed constantly, and supposedly dead characters appearing, reappearing and then dying anticlimactically. The story finally limped to its conclusion with another plot twist that had almost nothing to do with most of the events that proceeded it ([[spoiler:ComicBook/NormanOsborn was back]]). It should be noted that, when the saga started, it was Marvel's highest-selling group of books. The act of stretching it to the limit for so long caused sales to slump, and fans turned away in droves.
29th May '17 4:52:44 AM Edvardelis
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** Unfortunately due to the declining health of the author the manga was CutShort and it is likely that many of the unanswered questions will never be resolved.
13th May '17 1:06:05 PM SorPepita
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** The Stargate franchise's biggest offender was The Ancients. Introduced in season 1 as 1 of 4 unnamed old and intelligent races, they gradually grew in scope, with each new addition making their backstory a bit more convoluted. Atlantis's addition that they had left the Milkyway after the plague, leaving it to repopulate itself, didn't break things too badly. But when Season 9[[note]]Seasons 9 & 10 were originally slated to be a spin-off series, but the network was afraid it wouldn't bring in as many viewers so they tacked it onto [=SG1=] as additional seasons[[/note]] retconned their origin right out of the Milkyway entirely and turned them into a splinter faction that had fled here from a distant galaxy to pursue science instead of religion 10s of millions of years prior, well things just got nuts. Then came Universe...

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** The Stargate franchise's biggest offender was The Ancients. Introduced in season 1 as 1 of 4 unnamed old and intelligent races, they gradually grew in scope, with each new addition making their backstory a bit more convoluted. Atlantis's addition that they had left the Milkyway after the plague, leaving it to repopulate itself, didn't break things too badly. But when Season 9[[note]]Seasons 9 & 10 were originally slated to be a spin-off series, but the network was afraid it wouldn't bring in as many viewers so they tacked it onto [=SG1=] as additional seasons[[/note]] retconned their origin right out of the Milkyway entirely and turned them into a splinter faction that had fled here from a distant galaxy to pursue science instead of religion 10s of millions of years prior, well well, things just got nuts. Then came Universe...



** Series 7B had to contend with old companions leaving, the Doctor possibly leaving, the Doctor possibly being on his last incarnation, inserting a new incarnation to replace Matt Smith, and the retconning of the Time War. Much of this had to be patched up with the [[LivingMacGuffin "impossible girl"]] arc, which many felt robbed the new companion of some much needed character development, and a christmas special that had to wrap up everything in the Eleventh Doctor era rather abruptly. Much of this resulted in calls for Steven Moffat to leave the show.

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** Series 7B had to contend with old companions leaving, the Doctor possibly leaving, the Doctor possibly being on his last incarnation, inserting a new incarnation to replace Matt Smith, and the retconning of the Time War. Much of this had to be patched up with the [[LivingMacGuffin "impossible girl"]] arc, which many felt robbed the new companion of some much needed character development, and a christmas Christmas special that had to wrap up everything in the Eleventh Doctor era rather abruptly. Much of this resulted in calls for Steven Moffat to leave the show.
13th May '17 9:18:11 AM SorPepita
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** The series did a sequel via a the "Shattered Visage" graphic novel that did at least attempt to bring closure to Number Six. It's apparently more or less official, as the famously cranky Patrick [=McGoohan=] "didn't hate" the plot.

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** The series did a sequel via a the "Shattered Visage" graphic novel that did at least attempt to bring closure to Number Six. It's apparently more or less official, as the famously cranky Patrick [=McGoohan=] "didn't hate" the plot.
13th May '17 9:14:38 AM SorPepita
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** Something of particular interest is that one line of the last episode of season two is, "I'll see you in twenty-five years," and the third season will both air and take place exactly twenty-five years post series cancellation, making this possibly the largest instance of ArcWelding shown in recent history.

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** Something of particular interest is that one line of the last episode of season two is, is "I'll see you in twenty-five years," and the third season will both air and take place exactly twenty-five years post series cancellation, making this possibly the largest instance of ArcWelding shown in recent history.
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