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8th Dec '16 11:59:37 AM intastiel
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* {{Discussed|Trope}} in ''Literature/VoidDomain'': For a powerful {{Necromancer}} to GoOutWithASmile, taunting his enemies, is pure ParanoiaFuel.
22nd Nov '16 7:10:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Literature/TollTheHounds'', book eight of the ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'', [[WarriorPrince Anomander Rake]], the Knight of Darkness, gambles on his own death to not only rescue the Gate of Darkness from the advancing legions of Chaos, but also to make his people's creator, Mother Dark, face them again after having turned away millenia ago. He sets up a duel with [[MasterSwordsman Traveller]], aka the [[PhysicalGod God of Tragedy]], cheates him of a chance to [[RevengeBeforeReason kill the God of Death]], and then purposefully loses the duel and is killed by his own sword. That allows his soul to be transported inside [[SoulCuttingBlade Dragnipur]], his [[LegendaryWeapon legendary sword]], and -- after defeating the legions of Chaos with the help of Hood and his ArmyOfTheDead -- to become one again with the Gate of Darkness, which annihilates even his soul, but sets all his carefully laid plans in motion and reverberates throughout the entire world.

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* In ''Literature/TollTheHounds'', book eight of the ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'', [[WarriorPrince Anomander Rake]], the Knight of Darkness, gambles on his own death to not only rescue the Gate of Darkness from the advancing legions of Chaos, but also to make his people's creator, Mother Dark, face them again after having turned away millenia ago. He sets up a duel with [[MasterSwordsman Traveller]], aka the [[PhysicalGod God of Tragedy]], cheates him of a chance to [[RevengeBeforeReason kill the God of Death]], and then purposefully loses the duel and is killed by his own sword. That allows his soul to be transported inside [[SoulCuttingBlade Dragnipur]], his [[LegendaryWeapon legendary sword]], and -- after defeating the legions of Chaos with the help of Hood and his ArmyOfTheDead [[NightOfTheLivingMooks army of he dead]] -- to become one again with the Gate of Darkness, which annihilates even his soul, but sets all his carefully laid plans in motion and reverberates throughout the entire world.
21st Nov '16 10:30:19 PM moguera
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** Though we don't get to see the end result, this is also Harry's ultimate plan regarding the [[spoiler: Elder Wand. After using it to repair his own wand, the ''only'' spell Harry uses it for, Harry decides to return the Elder Wand to Dumbledore's grave so that, once Harry (hopefully) dies a peaceful death, the wand's power will be broken permanently.]]
17th Nov '16 6:41:05 PM bwburke94
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* It appears former NFL player Dave Duerson has recently arranged this. Based on how he died (a gunshot wound to his chest) and his last communications to his family (to have his brain examined for the effects of post-concussion syndrome, which includes severe depression amongst its symptoms, upon his death), many (including several former NFL players) believe he deliberately killed himself in such a fashion to have an intact brain sample to show how destructive the sport was (and can still be) to players and force the league to better support its players' health.

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* It appears former NFL player Dave Duerson has recently arranged this. Based on how he died (a gunshot wound to his chest) and his last communications to his family (to have his brain examined for the effects of post-concussion syndrome, which includes severe depression amongst its symptoms, upon his death), many (including several former NFL players) believe he deliberately killed himself in such a fashion to have an intact brain sample to show how destructive the sport was (and can still be) to players and force the league to better support its players' health.



* Fox Lake, Illinois police officer Lt. Charles Joseph Glinewicz attempted this in 2015. On September 1st, he radioed in that he was pursuing three suspects; officers arrived on the scene to find Glinewicz shot to death, and a large-scale manhunt began which lasted over a week. It was eventually discovered that Glinewicz had been embezzling from a department-sponsored youth program he was in charge of; the village had ordered an audit, and he knew his theft would be discovered...so he staged his suicide to look like a homicide, in an attempt to cover up his crime.

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* Fox Lake, Illinois police officer Lt. Charles Joseph Glinewicz attempted this in 2015.2015, but failed. On September 1st, he radioed in that he was pursuing three suspects; officers arrived on the scene to find Glinewicz shot to death, and a large-scale manhunt began which lasted over a week. It was eventually discovered that Glinewicz had been embezzling from a department-sponsored youth program he was in charge of; the village had ordered an audit, and he knew his theft would be discovered...so he staged his suicide to look like a homicide, in an attempt to cover up his crime.
31st Oct '16 1:10:28 PM ryanasaurus0077
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* [[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Giles_Corey Giles Corey]] was a farmer put to death during the Salem witch trials for refusing to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty to the charge of witchcraft. To force him to, they piled rocks on him and asked him three times to enter a plea. His reply each time was "More weight." Those were his final words. His reason? As long as he refused to enter a plea, the state could not seize his property, and by pretty much sacrificing his own life he could make sure that his widow and his family would be well provided for.
** Note that entering either pleas would have resulted in his death anyways. In this way he died, but not needlessly.
** Corey's gambit ultimately worked, [[PyrrhicVictory but at a very high cost]]: while his family did keep their lands, his widow Martha couldn't escape execution and was hanged the following day.

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* [[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Giles_Corey Giles Corey]] was a farmer put to death during the Salem witch trials for refusing to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty to the charge of witchcraft. To force him to, they piled rocks on him and asked him three times to enter a plea. His reply each time was "More weight." Those were his final words. His reason? As long as he refused to enter a plea, the state could not seize his property, and by pretty much sacrificing his own life he could make sure that his widow and his family would be well provided for.
** Note that
for. Particularly noble considering entering either pleas would have resulted in his death anyways. In this way he died, but not needlessly.
** Corey's gambit ultimately worked,
needlessly. [[PyrrhicVictory but at a very high cost]]: while his family did keep their lands, his His widow Martha couldn't escape execution and was hanged wouldn't get to enjoy the following day.fruits of his success, though]], as she followed him the next day via the gallows.
31st Oct '16 4:56:22 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** Corey's gambit ultimately worked, [[PhyrricVictory but at a high cost]]: while his family did keep their lands, his widow Martha couldn't escape execution and was hanged the following day.

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** Corey's gambit ultimately worked, [[PhyrricVictory [[PyrrhicVictory but at a very high cost]]: while his family did keep their lands, his widow Martha couldn't escape execution and was hanged the following day.
31st Oct '16 4:55:40 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* [[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Giles_Corey Giles Corey]] was put to death during the Salem witch trials for refusing to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty to the charge of witchcraft. To force him to, they piled rocks on him and asked him three times to enter a plea. His reply each time was "More weight." Those were his final words. His reason? As long as he refused to enter a plea, the state could not seize his property, and by pretty much sacrificing his own life he could make sure that his widow and his family would be well provided for.

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* [[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Giles_Corey Giles Corey]] was a farmer put to death during the Salem witch trials for refusing to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty to the charge of witchcraft. To force him to, they piled rocks on him and asked him three times to enter a plea. His reply each time was "More weight." Those were his final words. His reason? As long as he refused to enter a plea, the state could not seize his property, and by pretty much sacrificing his own life he could make sure that his widow and his family would be well provided for.



** [[OutGambitted It's debatable if his death had the desired effect in any event, since Martha Corey was executed three days later anyway.]]

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** [[OutGambitted It's debatable if Corey's gambit ultimately worked, [[PhyrricVictory but at a high cost]]: while his death had the desired effect in any event, since family did keep their lands, his widow Martha Corey couldn't escape execution and was executed three days later anyway.]]hanged the following day.
20th Oct '16 6:12:04 AM flodoris
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** The real Madara Uchiha attempted to pull one off. He left Tobi in charge of carrying out his plans and intended for Nagato to revive him later. This didn't go as planned due to Nagato making a HeelFaceTurn and [[RedemptionEqualsDeath sacrificing his life to revive the villagers he killed]]. Nonetheless, he gets revived as a zombie later on by Kabuto and subsequently hijacks the jutsu so he can't be controlled.

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** The real Madara Uchiha attempted to pull one off. He left Tobi in charge of carrying out his plans and intended for Nagato to revive him later. This didn't go as planned due to Nagato making a HeelFaceTurn and [[RedemptionEqualsDeath sacrificing his life to revive the villagers he killed]].killed]] and also Tobi ultimately took control of his plan and going to use it for themselves. Nonetheless, he gets revived as a zombie later on by Kabuto and subsequently hijacks the jutsu so he can't be controlled.
19th Oct '16 2:59:20 PM rjd1922
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* It has been speculated that [[spoiler: Emmeryn's ([[SubvertedTrope subverted]]) HeroicSuicide]] in VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening was actually this. [[spoiler: Via giving a RousingSpeech and throwing herself off a cliff rather than letting Gangrel execute her, and doing this ''in front of both the Ylissean and Plegian troops'', she managed to become a folk heroine and show everyone how pointless the Ylissean/Plegian war was, completely ruining Gangrel's reputation and making Ylisse's position stronger.]]

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* It has been speculated that [[spoiler: Emmeryn's ([[SubvertedTrope subverted]]) HeroicSuicide]] in VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' was actually this. [[spoiler: Via giving a RousingSpeech and throwing herself off a cliff rather than letting Gangrel execute her, and doing this ''in front of both the Ylissean and Plegian troops'', she managed to become a folk heroine and show everyone how pointless the Ylissean/Plegian war was, completely ruining Gangrel's reputation and making Ylisse's position stronger.]]
17th Oct '16 4:45:57 AM TheNerevarine
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* ''{{ComicBook/Vampirella}}'' had a vampire named Drago assisting the heroine after she was cursed to be possessed by a vile demon. He instructed Vampirella to hunt down other vampires and drink from their blood to gain the necessary strength to get rid of the curse. It appears as if he sent her on a SnipeHunt, but the final vampire is revealed to be Drago himself, who orchestrated the entire hunt just so she could be powerful enough to ''slay him''. After killing him and drinking his blood, she succeeds in overcoming the demon, just as Drago intended to.
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