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14th Aug '17 5:18:08 AM Morgenthaler
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* Neither he or Franchise/{{Batman}} ever die, but SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker tries, a lot.

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* Neither he or Franchise/{{Batman}} ever die, but SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker tries, a lot.



* In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', King Barlowe, a crime boss and rival of The Joker, dies and leaves him $250 million. Well, not so much; as The Joker finds out when he finally gets around to the video will, Barlowe left him $10 million in ''real'' cash, which he correctly estimates the Joker will have already blown through, and $240 million in forgeries. And [[IntimidatingRevenueService the IRS has come calling]] with a bill for taxes on the full $250 million. (Barlowe combines this with a (fitting) BatmanGambit, since Barlowe correctly assumed that SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker wouldn't just present the forged money to the IRS to get the bill adjusted, because that would mean [[NeverLiveItDown admitting publicly that he'd been made a fool of]].)

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* In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', King Barlowe, a crime boss and rival of The Joker, dies and leaves him $250 million. Well, not so much; as The Joker finds out when he finally gets around to the video will, Barlowe left him $10 million in ''real'' cash, which he correctly estimates the Joker will have already blown through, and $240 million in forgeries. And [[IntimidatingRevenueService the IRS has come calling]] with a bill for taxes on the full $250 million. (Barlowe combines this with a (fitting) BatmanGambit, since Barlowe correctly assumed that SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker wouldn't just present the forged money to the IRS to get the bill adjusted, because that would mean [[NeverLiveItDown admitting publicly that he'd been made a fool of]].)
12th Aug '17 3:49:26 PM Eschar
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* In TheGatewayChronicles, the enchantments controlling gateways are so powerful that they require [[spoiler:the death of one person belonging to every world linked by the gateway. Darcy is killed at the Living Tree to ensure that her death collapses the gateway to Tselloch's world.]]
** Perry comes with her, as he is the only person who can defeat Tselloch's natural form.
** Colin kills himself to ensure that Tselloch cannot move into a new host.
3rd Aug '17 4:08:00 PM RoninMacbeth
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** And most recently, General Tarquin has prepared for his death by constructing his life as the buildup to an epic, man-against-an-empire story. Even if the hero eventually defeats him, he will be remembered as a part of the legend (a bigger part than the hero, in fact, because he [[GenreSavvy knows]] EvilIsCool). [[spoiler: The Order ditches Tarquin in the desert, having significantly weakened his empire and adventuring team while organizing a [[LaResistance resistance movement]] with a [[UnspokenPlanGuarantee a yet to be revealed plan to topple him and his coh-conspirators]]. Elan specifically tells him that he'll live with the knowledge that [[WrongGenreSavvy he was never anything more than a sidequest]]. [[CruelMercy Damn, that's cold]].]]

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** And most recently, General Tarquin has prepared for his death by constructing his life as the buildup to an epic, man-against-an-empire story. Even if the hero eventually defeats him, he will be remembered as a part of the legend (a bigger part than the hero, in fact, because he [[GenreSavvy knows]] EvilIsCool). [[spoiler: The Order ditches Tarquin in the desert, having significantly weakened his empire and adventuring team while organizing a [[LaResistance resistance movement]] with a [[UnspokenPlanGuarantee a yet to be revealed plan to topple him and his coh-conspirators]].co-conspirators]]. Elan specifically tells him that he'll live with the knowledge that [[WrongGenreSavvy he was never anything more than a sidequest]]. [[CruelMercy Damn, that's cold]].]]
3rd Aug '17 4:01:14 PM RoninMacbeth
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** And most recently, General Tarquin has prepared for his death by constructing his life as the buildup to an epic, man-against-an-empire story. Even if the hero eventually defeats him, he will be remembered as a part of the legend (a bigger part than the hero, in fact, because he [[GenreSavvy knows]] EvilIsCool). [[spoiler: The Order ditches Tarquin in the desert, having destroyed his empire, his friendships, and his other son in the effort to make his story go the way he thinks it should, and Elan specifically tells him that he'll live with the knowledge that [[WrongGenreSavvy he was never anything more than a sidequest]]. [[CruelMercy Damn, that's cold]].]]

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** And most recently, General Tarquin has prepared for his death by constructing his life as the buildup to an epic, man-against-an-empire story. Even if the hero eventually defeats him, he will be remembered as a part of the legend (a bigger part than the hero, in fact, because he [[GenreSavvy knows]] EvilIsCool). [[spoiler: The Order ditches Tarquin in the desert, having destroyed significantly weakened his empire, his friendships, empire and adventuring team while organizing a [[LaResistance resistance movement]] with a [[UnspokenPlanGuarantee a yet to be revealed plan to topple him and his other son in the effort to make his story go the way he thinks it should, and coh-conspirators]]. Elan specifically tells him that he'll live with the knowledge that [[WrongGenreSavvy he was never anything more than a sidequest]]. [[CruelMercy Damn, that's cold]].]]
30th Jul '17 12:22:28 PM GlitteringFlowers
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** In a sense Medusa may have pulled this off ''twice'', as she manipulated the situation where Stein [[NightmareFuel destroyed]] her original body, thus freeing Medusa's soul to [[GrandTheftMe possess]] a temporary host.
* Reilan from ''Manga/HaouAiren'' sets up her love rival Kurumi to be gangraped by her classmates, and when their common love interest Hakuron shows up and stops the rapists, [[IShallTauntYou she verbally taunts him]] until he gets sick of it and [[ShootTheDog shoots her to death.]] She dies apologizing to Kurumi and saying she's sure that they'll be friends when they're reborn, setting this to be a quickly penned HeelFaceDoorSlam of sorts... A letter to her father that doubled as her last will, however, reveals that everything was set up by Reilan to '''specifically''' provoke Hakuron into killing her in front of Kurumi, seeking to [[BreakTheCutie traumatize the girl so much]] that she would hate Hakuron forever, thus attaining her revenge for having been abandoned by Hakuron as soon as Kurumi entered the picture.

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** In a sense Medusa may have pulled this off ''twice'', as she manipulated the situation where Stein [[NightmareFuel destroyed]] her original body, thus freeing Medusa's soul to [[GrandTheftMe possess]] [[CreepyChild Rachel]] as a temporary host.
* Reilan from ''Manga/HaouAiren'' sets up her love rival Kurumi to be gangraped by her classmates, and when their common love interest Hakuron shows up and stops the rapists, [[IShallTauntYou she verbally taunts him]] until he gets sick of it and [[ShootTheDog shoots her to death.]] She dies apologizing to Kurumi and saying she's sure that they'll be friends when they're reborn, setting this to be a quickly penned HeelFaceDoorSlam of sorts... A letter to her father that doubled doubles as her last will, however, reveals that everything was set up by Reilan to '''specifically''' provoke Hakuron into killing her in front of Kurumi, seeking to [[BreakTheCutie traumatize the girl so much]] that she would hate Hakuron forever, thus attaining her revenge for having been abandoned by Hakuron as soon as Kurumi entered the picture.



* It is constantly debated as to whether or not [[ItWasHisSled Aeris let Sephiroth kill her]] so she could become part of the Lifestream and thus aid it in saving the planet from Meteor in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''. Word of God says that she wasn't supposed to be a sacrificial character, as the developers thought that was both cliche and sent a horrible message.

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* It is constantly debated as to whether or not [[ItWasHisSled Aeris Aerith let Sephiroth kill her]] so she could become part of the Lifestream and thus aid it in saving the planet from Meteor in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''. Word of God says that she wasn't supposed to be a sacrificial character, as the developers thought that was both cliche and sent a horrible message.



** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn]]'', the ambition of Sephiran, right hand of the goddess Ashera, is to have his creator destroy all of humanity as he sees the creation as flawed after the Begnion beorc burned down a ''country'' of laguz. When the heroes finally meet him, it is on the way to the goddess who is about to pass judgment on the world. The final door is locked by Sephiran's magic, and he assures them that the only way they'll get through is by killing him. The group promptly defeats him, and it turns out that his act was only a final move to ascertain that his own suffering would be put to an end. Tricking the heroes into killing him was his only way out, since he had been blessed with immortality and invincibility by Ashera, and could thus only be damaged by weaponry blessed by the other goddess, Yune. If you meet [[OneHundredPercentCompletion certain conditions]], his gambit fails, in that he survives, thankfully gaining a new will to live in the process.
** It has been speculated that [[spoiler: Emmeryn's ([[SubvertedTrope ultimately subverted]]) HeroicSuicide]] in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' was actually this. [[spoiler: Via giving a RousingSpeech and throwing herself off a cliff rather than letting Gangrel execute her, and doing this ''in front of both the Ylissean and Plegian troops'', she managed to become a folk heroine and show everyone how pointless the Ylissean/Plegian war was, completely ruining Gangrel's reputation and making Ylisse's position stronger.]]
* In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEchoesShadowsOfValentia'', [[spoiler: Emperor Rudolf's ZeroApprovalGambit goes into this. He knew that taking on the mantle of an EvilOverlord would bring possibly bring his death, which is what happened at the hands of LaResistance, led by his son Alm. His death forced Alm and Co. to make the journey to defeat Duma and ultimately free Valentia from the gods, which was Rudolf's true intention..]]

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** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn]]'', the ambition of Sephiran, right hand of the goddess Ashera, is to have his creator destroy all of humanity as he sees the creation as flawed after the Begnion beorc burned down a ''country'' of laguz. When the heroes finally meet him, it is on the way to the goddess who is about to pass judgment on the world. The final door is locked by Sephiran's magic, and he assures them that the only way they'll get through is by killing him. The group promptly defeats him, and it turns out that his act was only a final move to ascertain that his own suffering would be put to an end. Tricking the heroes into killing him was his only way out, since he had been blessed with immortality and invincibility by Ashera, and could thus only be damaged by weaponry blessed by the other goddess, Yune. If you the player meet [[OneHundredPercentCompletion certain conditions]], his gambit fails, in that he survives, thankfully gaining a new will to live in the process.
** It has been speculated that [[spoiler: Emmeryn's ([[SubvertedTrope ultimately subverted]]) HeroicSuicide]] in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' was actually this. [[spoiler: Via giving a RousingSpeech and throwing herself off a cliff rather than letting Gangrel execute her, and doing this ''in front of both the Ylissean and Plegian troops'', she managed to become a folk heroine and show everyone how pointless the Ylissean/Plegian war was, completely ruining Gangrel's reputation and making Ylisse's position stronger. Whether the player subverts the trope or not by using [=SpotPass=] to find and recruit her, her plan still worked.]]
* ** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEchoesShadowsOfValentia'', [[spoiler: Emperor Rudolf's ZeroApprovalGambit goes into this. He knew that taking on the mantle of an EvilOverlord would bring possibly bring his death, which is what happened at the hands of LaResistance, led by his son Alm. His death forced Alm and Co. to make the journey to defeat Duma and ultimately free Valentia from the gods, which was Rudolf's true intention..]]
27th Jul '17 11:02:52 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, hints regarding the fate of [[TricksterArchetype Lorkhan]] indicate that he planned for the destruction of his Aedric body when the other Aedra learned of his deception, allowing his soul to become a driving force on the Mundus.

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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, hints regarding series primary CreationMyth, the fate et'Ada ("original spirit") Lorkhan convinced/tricked some of [[TricksterArchetype Lorkhan]] indicate his fellow et'Ada into sacrificing large portions of their divine power to create Mundus, the mortal plane. In revenge for this perceived treachery, these other et'Ada (now known as "[[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]]") [[GodIsDead "killed"]] Lorkhan, tore his divine center ("heart") from his body, and cast it down into the mortal world he helped to create where his spirit would be forced to wander. However, according to some versions of the myth, Lorkhan knew that he the other et'Ada would "kill" him for his perceived treachery, and planned for the destruction of his Aedric body when the other Aedra learned of his deception, this, [[HeroicSacrifice allowing his soul soul]] to become a driving force on the Mundus.Mundus. Other sources indicate that he submitted to this punishment voluntarily.
15th Jul '17 1:08:05 PM nombretomado
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' episode "Wingmen", Robert learns of his old friend Mo's death, and discovers Mo left him something in his will on the condition that he speak at the funeral. Robert (after discovering, among other things that Mo stole one of his medals from WorldWarII and spoke ill of Robert just days before he died) reads a speech that Mo wrote himself and is quickly humiliated... and then later discovers that Mo left him a big jar of peanuts, or, as Mo himself put it, "Deez Nuts", in an attempt to burn Robert from beyond the grave. Subverted slightly in that this was taken as an indication that there weren't any hard feelings from Mo, who really treated everybody like that- Robert lovingly keeps "Deez Nuts" on a shelf in his den.
* The GrandFinale of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' is set up when Lex sacrifices Tala to resurrect Brainiac, but ends up bringing back Darkseid. It's suggested by DVDCommentary of that episode that Tala made sure it was Darkseid and not Brainiac that came back, as a final "screw you" to Lex.
** Though to be honest, it was unlikely that Brainiac could be brought back through magic anyway, as Tala already explained as such beforehand.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' episode "Wingmen", Robert learns of his old friend Mo's death, and discovers Mo left him something in his will on the condition that he speak at the funeral. Robert (after discovering, among other things that Mo stole one of his medals from WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and spoke ill of Robert just days before he died) reads a speech that Mo wrote himself and is quickly humiliated... and then later discovers that Mo left him a big jar of peanuts, or, as Mo himself put it, "Deez Nuts", in an attempt to burn Robert from beyond the grave. Subverted slightly in that this was taken as an indication that there weren't any hard feelings from Mo, who really treated everybody like that- Robert lovingly keeps "Deez Nuts" on a shelf in his den.
* The GrandFinale of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' is set up when Lex sacrifices Tala to resurrect Brainiac, but ends up bringing back Darkseid. It's suggested by DVDCommentary of that episode that Tala made sure it was Darkseid and not Brainiac that came back, as a final "screw you" to Lex.
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Lex.[[note]]Though to be honest, it was unlikely that Brainiac could be brought back through magic anyway, as Tala already explained as such beforehand.[[/note]]



* The Scotsman from Samurai Jack after the TimeSkip in season 5 delivers one hell of a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Aku in order to allow his AmazonBrigade of daughters [[PapaWolf to escape]], getting himself burnt to a cinder for his troubles. [[BackFromTheDead He is promptly restored as a very lively ghost in the image of his youth.]]

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* The Scotsman from Samurai Jack ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'' after the TimeSkip in season 5 delivers one hell of a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Aku in order to allow his AmazonBrigade of daughters [[PapaWolf to escape]], getting himself burnt to a cinder for his troubles. [[BackFromTheDead He is promptly restored as a very lively ghost in the image of his youth.]]
14th Jul '17 12:36:00 AM KeithM
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* Believed to have been the motive behind the suicide of Aaron Hernandez in prison. The former NFL player had just been granted appeal to his murder conviction, but the odds of a successful appeal were low. However, due to a very old state law someone who died while appealing their sentence would have the prior guilty verdict set aside and would, legally, be considered innocent. It's believed that Hernandez did so in order for his family to sue for the money owed under his contract by the Patriots that they'd withheld because of his conviction.
1st Jul '17 2:57:55 AM Korodzik
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'', you can still finish the level while dead (if your corpse crosses the exit line or if you've managed to kill the level's final boss), and you are alive again at the beginning of the next level (although with all your things gone.) This makes for a neat {{speedrun}}ning trick, as sometimes you can e.g. quickly reach the exit by blowing yourself up with a rocket, causing your corpse to be propelled backwards, sliding underneath a gap which is normally too narrow to move through, and into the level exit.
12th Jun '17 7:28:19 AM FastFuriousFan
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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'': In the Imaginationland Trilogy, terrorists attack Imaginationland [[PretextForWar to start a war between Imaginationland's Good and Evil Imaginationland characters--each manifestations of collective imagination's good thoughts and bad thoughts, respectively--]][[KillEmAll to destroy them all.]] Supposedly unable to kill all of each side at once, [[FalseFlagOperation they attack the Good characters' territory claiming to be sent by the Evil characters, while attacking the Evil characters' territory and framing the Good characters.]] Then, they trick the Evil characters into killing them all, destroying any chance of knowing the terrorists were responsible for this war, so that the war would continue until the entire population is dead--Good and Evil characters alike--despite the possibility that one side could win, [[spoiler:which turned out to be the Good characters led by a messianic Butters, after the Evil characters, led by the Woodland Creatures, [[MoralEventHorizon destroyed any excuse]] that they were [[UnwittingPawn as much the terrorists' pawns as the Good Characters.]]]]
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