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21st May '17 6:23:22 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{WebOriginal/Worm}}'' discusses this quite a bit. The protagonist is a "villain", but is a much better person than many of the self-professed heroes, who range from narcissistic jerks to [[spoiler:one of the very bullies who made her life miserable, unlocking her powers in the first place]]. Meanwhile, other "villains" fell into their situations by happenstance or just generally being victims of someone else, or were offered a job by another villain, and many are agreeable, polite and kind in their own ways.

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* ''{{WebOriginal/Worm}}'' ''{{Literature/Worm}}'' discusses this quite a bit. The protagonist is a "villain", but is a much better person than many of the self-professed heroes, who range from narcissistic jerks to [[spoiler:one of the very bullies who made her life miserable, unlocking her powers in the first place]]. Meanwhile, other "villains" fell into their situations by happenstance or just generally being victims of someone else, or were offered a job by another villain, and many are agreeable, polite and kind in their own ways.
29th Apr '17 1:39:01 PM SinDustries
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* ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' has an alternate universe's Superman take up this madness after one particular event sends him over the MoralEventHorizon. He then decides that because he is the Man of Steel, whatever he does in service to "saving" his world is justifiable because he says so, even [[spoiler:coldblooded murder of]] other heroes who might [[WhatTheHellHero call him out on this]].
19th Apr '17 3:47:12 AM NNinja
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' has its share in the Holy Britannian Empire, but no more so than [[TheQuisling Suzaku Kururugi]] who argues that change by "the wrong means" is meaningless.
14th Apr '17 4:27:38 PM Whitewings
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' comic ''[[Comicbook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderThePromise The Promise]]'', Ozai thinks that the Fire Lord is always right just because he is the Fire Lord, therefore already given permission by the divine powers.
11th Apr '17 1:03:21 AM Mareon
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'''Sebastian:''' I was found by the Vorlons. They showed me the terrible depth of my mistake, my crimes, my... presumption. I have done 400 years of penance in their service. A job for which they said I was ideally suited. Now, perhaps, [[DeathSeeker they will finally let me die.]]

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'''Sebastian:''' I was found by the Vorlons. They showed me the terrible depth of my mistake, my crimes, my... presumption. I have done 400 years of penance in their service. A job for which they said I was ideally suited. Now, perhaps, [[DeathSeeker they will finally let me die.]] \\
'''Sheridan:''' I think that might be wise. \\
'''Sebastian:''' Good luck to you in your holy cause, Captain Sheridan. May your choices have better results than mine. [[WhatYouAreInTheDark Remembered not as a messenger, remembered not as a reformer, not as a prophet, not as a hero, not even as Sebastian...]] Remembered only... as Jack."
11th Apr '17 1:00:13 AM Mareon
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* In ''Series/Babylon5'', ''[[Recap/BabylonFiveS02E21ComesTheInquisitor "Comes The Inquisitior"]]'', we meet the Vorlon Inquisitor Sebastian who once held this belief while [[SerialKiller doing God's work.]]. The Vorlon's made sure [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone to show him the depht of his error]].
-->'''Sebastian:''' The city was drowning in decay, chaos, immorality. A message needed to be sent, etched in blood, for all the world to see: a warning. In the pursuit of my holy cause, I did things, terrible things, unspeakable things. The world condemned me, but it didn't matter, because I believed I was right and the world was wrong. I believed I was the divine messenger. I believed I was... \\
'''Sheridan:''' [[IronicEcho Chosen?]] \\
'''Sebastian:''' I was found by the Vorlons. They showed me the terrible depth of my mistake, my crimes, my... presumption. I have done 400 years of penance in their service. A job for which they said I was ideally suited. Now, perhaps, [[DeathSeeker they will finally let me die.]]



* In ''Series/Babylon5'', ''[[Recap/BabylonFiveS02E21ComesTheInquisitor "Comes The Inquisitior]"]'', we meet the Vorlon Inquisitor Sebastian who once held this belief while [[SerialKiller doing God's work.]]. The Vorlon's made sure [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone to show him the depht of his error]].
-->'''Sebastian:''' The city was drowning in decay, chaos, immorality. A message needed to be sent, etched in blood, for all the world to see: a warning. In the pursuit of my holy cause, I did things, terrible things, unspeakable things. The world condemned me, but it didn't matter, because I believed I was right and the world was wrong. I believed I was the divine messenger. I believed I was...
'''Sheridan:''' [[IronicEcho Chosen?]] \\
'''Sebastian:''' I was found by the Vorlons. They showed me the terrible depth of my mistake, my crimes, my... presumption. I have done 400 years of penance in their service. A job for which they said I was ideally suited. Now, perhaps, [[DeathSeeker they will finally let me die.]]

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* In ''Series/Babylon5'', ''[[Recap/BabylonFiveS02E21ComesTheInquisitor "Comes The Inquisitior]"]'', we meet the Vorlon Inquisitor Sebastian who once held this belief while [[SerialKiller doing God's work.]]. The Vorlon's made sure [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone to show him the depht of his error]].
-->'''Sebastian:''' The city was drowning in decay, chaos, immorality. A message needed to be sent, etched in blood, for all the world to see: a warning. In the pursuit of my holy cause, I did things, terrible things, unspeakable things. The world condemned me, but it didn't matter, because I believed I was right and the world was wrong. I believed I was the divine messenger. I believed I was...
'''Sheridan:''' [[IronicEcho Chosen?]] \\
'''Sebastian:''' I was found by the Vorlons. They showed me the terrible depth of my mistake, my crimes, my... presumption. I have done 400 years of penance in their service. A job for which they said I was ideally suited. Now, perhaps, [[DeathSeeker they will finally let me die.]]
11th Apr '17 12:58:30 AM Mareon
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* In ''Series/Babylon5'', ''[[Recap/BabylonFiveS02E21ComesTheInquisitor "Comes The Inquisitior]"]'', we meet the Vorlon Inquisitor Sebastian who once held this belief while [[SerialKiller doing God's work.]]. The Vorlon's made sure [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone to show him the depht of his error]].
-->'''Sebastian:''' The city was drowning in decay, chaos, immorality. A message needed to be sent, etched in blood, for all the world to see: a warning. In the pursuit of my holy cause, I did things, terrible things, unspeakable things. The world condemned me, but it didn't matter, because I believed I was right and the world was wrong. I believed I was the divine messenger. I believed I was...
'''Sheridan:''' [[IronicEcho Chosen?]] \\
'''Sebastian:''' I was found by the Vorlons. They showed me the terrible depth of my mistake, my crimes, my... presumption. I have done 400 years of penance in their service. A job for which they said I was ideally suited. Now, perhaps, [[DeathSeeker they will finally let me die.]]
7th Apr '17 12:30:55 PM ironballs16
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* Noble Cause Corruption, often used to refer to acts of police brutality or misconduct, but also used by James Ball in the example mentioned below, is where someone views their goal as being inherently noble, so it doesn't matter that the actions taken to achieve that goal are illegal. Most cases of people being framed by police or prosecutors, for instance, have been due to an [[FramingTheGuiltyParty honest belief they were guilty]], so the evidence was planted to insure they didn't get away with their alleged crimes. On a lesser scale, police may ignore the legal restrictions about needing probable cause to search or arrest suspects when they have evidence against them which can't be legally used, making up some justification for it later. Some scholars actually argue that it's the ''best'' law enforcement officers who are most prone to noble cause corruption, since they are strongly motivated in doing what seems right, regardless of the means.

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* Noble Cause Corruption, often used to refer to acts of police brutality or misconduct, but also used by James Ball in the example mentioned below, is where someone views their goal as being inherently noble, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans so it doesn't matter that the actions taken to achieve that goal are illegal.illegal]]. Most cases of people being framed by police or prosecutors, for instance, have been due to an [[FramingTheGuiltyParty honest belief they were guilty]], so the evidence was planted to insure they didn't get away with their alleged crimes. On a lesser scale, police may ignore the legal restrictions about needing probable cause to search or arrest suspects when they have evidence against them which can't be legally used, making up some justification for it later. Some scholars actually argue that it's the ''best'' law enforcement officers who are most prone to noble cause corruption, since they are strongly motivated in doing what seems right, regardless of the means.
4th Apr '17 6:53:04 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* AlFranken's ''Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" describes Republicans' viewpoint towards the US as this.

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* AlFranken's Creator/AlFranken's ''Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" describes Republicans' viewpoint towards the US as this.
3rd Apr '17 4:37:53 AM Josef5678
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** This trope is common in Harry Potter fanfiction works that have Dumbledore as a villain. The fact that he believes he is working for a Greater Good justifies any action taken in the name of the Greater Good, no matter how evil it might be when viewed in isolation.
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