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23rd Jul '17 11:35:51 AM darrenr
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* Massively averted in the 1946 British film ''Theirs Is The Glory'' about the actions of the British 1st Airborne Division during Operation Market Garden only 2 years earlier. Shot on the real war-ravaged Dutch locations, using many of the actual participants, it included re-enactments of the fighting that employed captured German equipment, including a fully-functional Tiger tank as well as several Panthers, one of which is convincingly destroyed by a paratrooper with a [[CoolGuns/RocketsMissilesAndGrenadeLaunchers PIAT]].

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* Massively averted in the 1946 British film ''Theirs Is The Glory'' about the actions of the British 1st Airborne Division during Operation Market Garden only 2 years earlier. Shot on the real war-ravaged Dutch locations, using many of the actual participants, it included re-enactments of the fighting that employed captured genuine (captured) German equipment, including a fully-functional Tiger tank as well as several Panthers, one of which is convincingly destroyed by a paratrooper with a [[CoolGuns/RocketsMissilesAndGrenadeLaunchers PIAT]].
23rd Jul '17 11:14:25 AM darrenr
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* Massively averted in the 1946 British film ''Theirs Is The Glory'' about the actions of the British 1st Airborne Division during Operation Market Garden only 2 years earlier. Shot on the real war-ravaged Dutch locations, using many of the actual participants, it included re-enactments of the fighting that employed captured German equipment, including a fully-functional Tiger tank as well as several Panthers, one of which is convincingly destroyed by a paratrooper with a [[CoolGuns/RocketsMissilesAndGrenadeLaunchers PIAT]].
16th Jul '17 5:38:59 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/ToHellAndBack'', the [[RealityIsUnrealistic semi-true]] autobiography of AudieMurphy's WW2 service, has him jump into a burning M4 Sherman to fire its [[{{BFG}} 50-caliber machine gun]] at German troops, in the action that earned him the Medal of Honor. He actually jumped into an M10 Tank Destroyer, although the two are very similar (The M10 Wolverine Tank Destroyer was based on the Sherman.)

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* ''Film/ToHellAndBack'', the [[RealityIsUnrealistic semi-true]] autobiography of AudieMurphy's WW2 Creator/AudieMurphy's [=WW2=] service, has him jump into a burning M4 Sherman to fire its [[{{BFG}} 50-caliber machine gun]] at German troops, in the action that earned him the Medal of Honor. He actually jumped into an M10 Tank Destroyer, although the two are very similar (The M10 Wolverine Tank Destroyer was based on the Sherman.)



* It has to be said that the Bovington tank museum in Britain appears to be more sympathetic to the needs of film and TV than most. While, understandably, it will not loan its only Tiger - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eUiRBh0YHE the only running model]] left in the ''world'' - it is less stringent about other exhibits. There was a recent BBC documentary/drama which incorporated a running Cromwell tank from 1944, in ''exactly'' the correct Normandy context, which could only have come from one place. This was accompanied by other running examples of WW2 British hardware, such as Universal Carriers, all in the context of depicting and illustrating the often-overlooked British contribution to the Normandy landings. The documentary makers also had the use of a Mark IV Panzer.

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* It has to be said that the Bovington tank museum in Britain appears to be more sympathetic to the needs of film and TV than most. While, understandably, it will not loan its only Tiger - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eUiRBh0YHE the only running model]] left in the ''world'' - it is less stringent about other exhibits. There was a recent BBC documentary/drama which incorporated a running Cromwell tank from 1944, in ''exactly'' the correct Normandy context, which could only have come from one place. This was accompanied by other running examples of WW2 [=WW2=] British hardware, such as Universal Carriers, all in the context of depicting and illustrating the often-overlooked British contribution to the Normandy landings. The documentary makers also had the use of a Mark IV Panzer.



* To further confuse the casual student of military history, the WW2 British army fielded both Tank and Armoured Brigades. 'Tank' units were semi independant formations organised to be attached to infantry divisions for support while 'Armoured' units were part of an Armoured Division. While the 'tank' units normally had dedicated 'Infantry' tanks like the Churchill, some 'tank' units were equipped with exactly the same Shermans as 'Armoured' regiments leading the untrained observer to wonder what the fuss was about. Add in the confusion in the way what is called a 'Regiment' is really a battalion sized unit that is part of it's parent regiment but commanded as part of a brigade, and it is little wonder many casual military history buffs give up and research Panzer divisions instead.

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* To further confuse the casual student of military history, the WW2 [=WW2=] British army fielded both Tank and Armoured Brigades. 'Tank' units were semi independant formations organised to be attached to infantry divisions for support while 'Armoured' units were part of an Armoured Division. While the 'tank' units normally had dedicated 'Infantry' tanks like the Churchill, some 'tank' units were equipped with exactly the same Shermans as 'Armoured' regiments leading the untrained observer to wonder what the fuss was about. Add in the confusion in the way what is called a 'Regiment' is really a battalion sized unit that is part of it's parent regiment but commanded as part of a brigade, and it is little wonder many casual military history buffs give up and research Panzer divisions instead.
15th Jul '17 1:02:02 PM nombretomado
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* The German Tiger tanks in ''Film/BattleOfTheBulge'' (1965) were actually American M47 Pattons ([[ColorCodedForYourConvenience colour-coded grey]], when German tanks of this period were in dark yellow-dark brown-dark green camouflage), and the American M4 Shermans were actually M24 Chaffee light tanks (in camouflage, when American tanks of this period were olive drab). On the bright side, this did make the US tanks look appropriately smaller than the German ones, as well as using WorldWarII era Chaffees. In reality only two Chaffees saw battle in December 1944.

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* The German Tiger tanks in ''Film/BattleOfTheBulge'' (1965) were actually American M47 Pattons ([[ColorCodedForYourConvenience colour-coded grey]], when German tanks of this period were in dark yellow-dark brown-dark green camouflage), and the American M4 Shermans were actually M24 Chaffee light tanks (in camouflage, when American tanks of this period were olive drab). On the bright side, this did make the US tanks look appropriately smaller than the German ones, as well as using WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII era Chaffees. In reality only two Chaffees saw battle in December 1944.



* In UsefulNotes/NewZealand during WorldWarII, the Minister for Public Works, Bob Semple, commissioned the construction of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semple_tank Semple Tank]] (in fact, it was just an [[ClosestThingWeGot armored tractor]]). It had no blueprints, had numerous design flaws, never got beyond the prototype stage, and was laughed at by the public. However, it is remembered most as an example of the New Zealand do-it-yourself ethos.

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* In UsefulNotes/NewZealand during WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Minister for Public Works, Bob Semple, commissioned the construction of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semple_tank Semple Tank]] (in fact, it was just an [[ClosestThingWeGot armored tractor]]). It had no blueprints, had numerous design flaws, never got beyond the prototype stage, and was laughed at by the public. However, it is remembered most as an example of the New Zealand do-it-yourself ethos.
27th May '17 2:03:31 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/FullMetalJacket'' is a minor offender - during combat in Hue City, the tanks employed are actually light tanks M41 Walker Bulldog[[note]]This type was used in combat only by the ARVN during the {{Vietnam War}}.[[/note]], not M48 Patton medium tanks used by the USMC tank battalions in the {{Real Life}} battle. On the other hand, M41 is visually quite similar to M48, and both camera angles used and editing made very difficult to actually notice the difference when casually watching the film.

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* ''Film/FullMetalJacket'' is a minor offender - during combat in Hue City, the tanks employed are actually light tanks M41 Walker Bulldog[[note]]This type was used in combat only by the ARVN during the {{Vietnam War}}.UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar.[[/note]], not M48 Patton medium tanks used by the USMC tank battalions in the {{Real Life}} battle. On the other hand, M41 is visually quite similar to M48, and both camera angles used and editing made very difficult to actually notice the difference when casually watching the film.
9th May '17 2:57:43 PM madorosh
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**The M4A1s were actually Canadian Grizzlies, a license built M4A1 - the Canadian Dry Pin (CDP) tracks give it away. American built M4A1 Shermans had rubber block tracks.
7th May '17 9:23:48 AM still_guns
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* Many movies where a variant of an M1 Abrams tank makes an appearance are likely using convincingly mocked up [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank Centurion]] tanks. Especially if said movies are not BackedByThePentagon.

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* Many movies where a variant of an M1 Abrams tank makes an appearance are likely using convincingly mocked up [[http://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank Centurion]] org/wiki/Chieftain_(tank) Chieftain]] tanks. Especially if said movies are not BackedByThePentagon.
5th Apr '17 2:42:31 PM gophergiggles
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* Canada's light armored vehicles, most notably the [=LAV III=], are ''very'' commonly referred to as tanks due to being the most frequently used armored personnel carrier. They're a hell of a piece of hardware, but a tank they ain't: they're an infantry fighting vehicle.
4th Jan '17 9:11:56 AM Khathi
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* The Russian object 952 "Sprut-SD" is a vehicle the Russians themselves cannot decide what to think of as. Conceived as a way to [[GlassCannon give paratroopers an organic anti-tank capability]], it can be best characterized as a light tank or a tank destroyer, given that it is based on a light tank chassis[[note]]It uses the same Object 934 "Judge" chassis that was also used for the [[AwesomePersonnelCarrier BMD-3 APC]].[[/note]] and mounts a classic tank turret with a full-fledged 125-mm cannon capable of firing standard Russian tank ammo, if not fo the Russians diehard insistence that it's a "[[InsistentTerminology self-propelled anti-tank gun]]".
27th Oct '16 10:05:28 PM DarkHunter
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** All tracked vehicles are called "sensha", in keeping with the real-life German practice of calling all armored vehicles "panzer". The rough equivalent term in English is "Armored Fighting Vehicle" (AFV), but the show's dub never uses it, just calling them "tanks".

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** All tracked vehicles are called "sensha", in keeping with the real-life German practice of calling all armored vehicles "panzer". The rough equivalent term in English is "Armored Fighting Vehicle" (AFV), but the show's dub never uses it, just calling them "tanks"."tanks", possibly because AFV can refer to wheeled vehicles as well.
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