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23rd Jul '17 8:28:45 PM AdamC
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* An episode of Gundam Wing had a disillusioned [[CharClone Zechs]] pair up with a pair of asshole soldiers to take out a few of the remaining Earth Sphere Alliance strongholds. The pair assign Zechs to make a very visible attack on the base's main defense (a large beam cannon), figuring that Zechs's conspicuous new mobile suit and high-profile reputation will make him a ripe target. Meanwhile they'll be free to sneak in unnoticed and take out the base themselves. Unfortunately, they greatly underestimated Zechs skills, and failed to realize that the "conspicuous new mobile suit" was [[SuperPrototype The Tallgeese]]. Zechs not only survived the encounter but is in perfect shape to fight when he cases his partners killing soldiers who have already surrendered, and proceeds to [[CurbStompBattle deal with the situation accordingly.]]
6th Jul '17 6:13:29 PM TedEldritch
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* ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII:'' Gael is an old undead who used to serve as a Slave Knight, an expendable servant sent to fight in countless wars. Most Slave Knights were driven to madness by their never-ending duty, but Gael kept his sanity and has outlived his masters by what is implied to be millennia. He can be summoned for two battles in which the [[PlayerCharacter Ashen One]] is outnumbered and can stand his ground rather well. He also guides the Ashen One through the Dreg Heap, leaving messages that point out places where you can survive the long falls throughout the area, and at the end of the Ringed City he [[spoiler:devours the blood of the Pygmy Lords for their Dark Souls, becoming the incarnation of the very Dark Soul itself]].
13th Jun '17 9:28:39 PM nombretomado
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** Polish troops were ''theoretically'' cannonfodder for three of the combatants fighting WorldWarOne, but in practice they were never actually used in this capacity due to their tendency to surrender to the enemy. The Polish-Russian dual monarchy (commonly called 'Russia'), Austro-Hungarian dual empire, and German kingdom ''all'' fielded combat units composed largely or even entirely of ethnic Poles during WorldWarOne. However the German ''Polnische Wehrmacht'' (headed by the later military dictator of Poland, Joseph Piwsudski) and Austro-Hungarian ''Polnische Legion'' were only very small with the former never having more than 10,000 men and the no more than 60,000. While the Polish-Russian kingdom fielded as many as 200,000 Polish troops, including some with very good (in relative terms) training and morale, they were as unreliable as their German and Austro-Hungarian counterparts and were never used in combat if STAVKA could avoid it.
** Polish troops were ''kind of'' cannonfodder for three different combatants fighting WorldWarTwo, though in practice their treatment seems to have been little different to that of other forces - [[DudeWheresMyRespect save the egregious lack of publicity recognition given to their efforts]]. [[DudeWheresMyRespect This became particularly grating when other forces received greater thanks for their own efforts, sometimes despite them having actually contributed far less than the Poles]]. The French, British, and Soviets all fielded Polish veteran expats in combat units, in which many acquitted themselves very well. While the NKVD (predecessor to the KGB) ''did'' have those captured Polish Army Officers who refused to serve in the army of Communist Poland executed (in the 'Katyn' massacre of 1940, with as many as nine-tenths refusing and being killed), the volunteers seemed to have performed admirably against Nazi Germany. Indeed, it was a Polish Army force which finally liberated Warsaw in January 1945 (for a given value of 'liberation'). The British in particular were heavily reliant on their Poles' grit, guts, and experience to sway the outcome of several pitched trench-warfare battles including the Battles of Monte Cassino (Italian campaign, January-April 1944), the lack of recognition given for their part in that particular campaign being something of a sore point.

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** Polish troops were ''theoretically'' cannonfodder for three of the combatants fighting WorldWarOne, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, but in practice they were never actually used in this capacity due to their tendency to surrender to the enemy. The Polish-Russian dual monarchy (commonly called 'Russia'), Austro-Hungarian dual empire, and German kingdom ''all'' fielded combat units composed largely or even entirely of ethnic Poles during WorldWarOne.UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. However the German ''Polnische Wehrmacht'' (headed by the later military dictator of Poland, Joseph Piwsudski) and Austro-Hungarian ''Polnische Legion'' were only very small with the former never having more than 10,000 men and the no more than 60,000. While the Polish-Russian kingdom fielded as many as 200,000 Polish troops, including some with very good (in relative terms) training and morale, they were as unreliable as their German and Austro-Hungarian counterparts and were never used in combat if STAVKA could avoid it.
** Polish troops were ''kind of'' cannonfodder for three different combatants fighting WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, though in practice their treatment seems to have been little different to that of other forces - [[DudeWheresMyRespect save the egregious lack of publicity recognition given to their efforts]]. [[DudeWheresMyRespect This became particularly grating when other forces received greater thanks for their own efforts, sometimes despite them having actually contributed far less than the Poles]]. The French, British, and Soviets all fielded Polish veteran expats in combat units, in which many acquitted themselves very well. While the NKVD (predecessor to the KGB) ''did'' have those captured Polish Army Officers who refused to serve in the army of Communist Poland executed (in the 'Katyn' massacre of 1940, with as many as nine-tenths refusing and being killed), the volunteers seemed to have performed admirably against Nazi Germany. Indeed, it was a Polish Army force which finally liberated Warsaw in January 1945 (for a given value of 'liberation'). The British in particular were heavily reliant on their Poles' grit, guts, and experience to sway the outcome of several pitched trench-warfare battles including the Battles of Monte Cassino (Italian campaign, January-April 1944), the lack of recognition given for their part in that particular campaign being something of a sore point.
31st Mar '17 6:12:53 AM Illgeo
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* The WWII Soviet Black Sea Naval Infantry, aka The "Black Death". Got Romanians on your doorstep? Army getting pushed back on all other fronts? Give your sailors rifles, tell 'em to fight. Everyday sailors given a rifle and pressed into service as shocktroopers against the Germans, Italians and mostly Romanians. Manages to hold Sevastapol in the face of German invasion for months, even completed more paradrops during the war than the actual Red Army paratroopers. They were among World War 2's many unsung badasses.

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* The WWII Soviet Black Sea Naval Infantry, aka The "Black Death". Got Romanians on your doorstep? Army getting pushed back on all other fronts? Give your sailors rifles, tell 'em to fight. Everyday sailors given a rifle and pressed into service as shocktroopers against the Germans, Italians and mostly Romanians. Manages Manage to hold Sevastapol in the face of German invasion for months, even completed more paradrops during the war than the actual Red Army paratroopers. They were among World War 2's many unsung badasses.
18th Jan '17 5:50:40 PM ChronoLegion
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** This is the purpose of SPARTAN-[=IIIs=]. Unlike their predecessors, who were turned into {{Super Soldier}}s, the [=IIIs=] were turned into enhanced but disposable soldiers, meant to be spent on a single key mission.
5th Oct '16 5:46:42 PM SmoCro
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*** The Dirlewanger brigade/division does not really qualify as 'elite' while cannon fodder it might be. Himmler wanted its own penal unit and this really was a unit of criminals not of soldiers accused and convicted of minor or major offenses. The casualty rates reflected that which regularly caused the unit to drastically down-size when faced with anything more dangerous than women and children.
24th Sep '16 3:49:38 PM Jacob175
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A close relative of ReassignmentBackfire, except this turns out rather well for the superiors. This is when your RagtagBunchOfMisfits are a bunch of assholes or at least out of favour with high command, and [[TheUriahGambit their superiors are clearly deliberate in sending them off to their certain demises]]. The problem is that, through sheer luck, ruthlessness, or [[LetsGetDangerous actual competence and skill,]] they keep returning, sometimes even accomplishing the [[ImpossibleTask impossible missions.]]

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A close relative of ReassignmentBackfire, except this turns out rather well for the superiors. This is when your RagtagBunchOfMisfits are a bunch of assholes or at least out of favour with high command, and [[TheUriahGambit [[UriahGambit their superiors are clearly deliberate in sending them off to their certain demises]]. The problem is that, through sheer luck, ruthlessness, or [[LetsGetDangerous actual competence and skill,]] they keep returning, sometimes even accomplishing the [[ImpossibleTask impossible missions.]]



* Creator/MarvelComics had ''Combat Kelly and His Deadly Dozen'', which was heavily inspite by ''Film/TheDeadlyDozen''.

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* Creator/MarvelComics had ''Combat Kelly and His Deadly Dozen'', which was heavily inspite inspired by ''Film/TheDeadlyDozen''.''Film/TheDirtyDozen''.



* ''Film/{{The Dirty Dozen}}''

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* ''Film/{{The Dirty Dozen}}''''Film/TheDirtyDozen'': The basic premise was taking a group of twelve prisoners, training them for a mission and sending them to certain death to infiltrate a Nazi hideout. Winning gives the Army a big war victory; losing just saves them execution costs.



* In the backstory to ''StarTrekNemesis'', the Romulans create a clone of Picard for infiltration purposes, but abandon the project when a new government takes power. The clone is left to die amongst [[FantasticRacism Remans]], whom the Romulans used as cannon fodder during the Dominion War. This human clone led over a dozen ''successful'' engagements.

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* In the backstory to ''StarTrekNemesis'', ''Film/StarTrekNemesis'', the Romulans create a clone of Picard for infiltration purposes, but abandon the project when a new government takes power. The clone is left to die amongst [[FantasticRacism Remans]], whom the Romulans used as cannon fodder during the Dominion War. This human clone led over a dozen ''successful'' engagements.



--> '''[[http://exterminatusnow.comicgenesis.com/d/20100605.html Schaefer]]''': You have a history of making it out of impossible situations, no matter how often we [[TheUriahGambit try to ki-]] no matter what assignment we deploy you on.

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--> '''[[http://exterminatusnow.comicgenesis.com/d/20100605.html Schaefer]]''': You have a history of making it out of impossible situations, no matter how often we [[TheUriahGambit [[UriahGambit try to ki-]] no matter what assignment we deploy you on.



* The WWII Soviet Black Sea Naval Infantry, aka The "Black Death". Got Romanians on your doorstep? Army getting pushed back on all other fronts? Give your sailors rifles, tell 'em to fight. Everyday sailors given a rifle and pressed into service as shocktroopers against the Germans, Italians and mostly Romanians. Manages to hold Sevastapol in the face of German invasion for months, even completed more paradrops during the war than the actual Red Army paratroopers. They were among World War 2's many unsung badasses

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* The WWII Soviet Black Sea Naval Infantry, aka The "Black Death". Got Romanians on your doorstep? Army getting pushed back on all other fronts? Give your sailors rifles, tell 'em to fight. Everyday sailors given a rifle and pressed into service as shocktroopers against the Germans, Italians and mostly Romanians. Manages to hold Sevastapol in the face of German invasion for months, even completed more paradrops during the war than the actual Red Army paratroopers. They were among World War 2's many unsung badassesbadasses.



10th Sep '16 11:14:28 AM WillKeaton
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** [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse.]] In ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChroniclesIII'', The Nameless' missions are essentially one [[CannonFodder deliberately suicidal task]] after another, up to and including assassinating Emperor Maximillian in his fortress of Ghirlandaio[[labelnote:spoiler]][[ForegoneConclusion That's about the only one time they fail]][[/labelnote]]. Have we mentioned that The Nameless [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores is a penal legion]] and [[DysfunctionJunction the characters dysfunctional]]? Fortunately, Kurt and co. are a perseverant and crafty bunch.

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** [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse.]] In ''VideoGame/ValkyriaChroniclesIII'', The Nameless' missions are essentially one [[CannonFodder deliberately suicidal task]] after another, up to and including assassinating Emperor Maximillian in his fortress of Ghirlandaio[[labelnote:spoiler]][[ForegoneConclusion Ghirlandaio.[[labelnote:spoiler]][[ForegoneConclusion That's about the only one time they fail]][[/labelnote]]. fail.]][[/labelnote]] Have we mentioned that The Nameless [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores is a penal legion]] and [[DysfunctionJunction the characters dysfunctional]]? Fortunately, Kurt and co. are a perseverant and crafty bunch.
6th Aug '16 10:52:04 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* One last ''Warhammer 40000'' example: subverted horribly in ''Fire Caste''. The Arkhan Confederates succeed where countless other Guard battalions have failed, routing legions of turncoats and aliens, eventually pushing the Tau back to their base of operations, "The Diadem". [[spoiler:This is the exact opposite of what the [[DefectorFromDecadence Sky Marshal]] wanted; the Arkhans turning out to be SurprisinglyEliteCannonFodder does not benefit the Marshal at ''all''.]]

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* One last ''Warhammer 40000'' example: subverted horribly in ''Fire Caste''. The Arkhan Confederates succeed where countless other Guard battalions have failed, routing legions of turncoats and aliens, eventually pushing the Tau back to their base of operations, "The Diadem". [[spoiler:This is the exact opposite of what the [[DefectorFromDecadence Sky Marshal]] wanted; the Arkhans turning out to be SurprisinglyEliteCannonFodder Surprisingly Elite Cannon Fodder does not benefit the Marshal at ''all''.]]
6th Aug '16 10:48:44 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->'''Eastwood:''' You're saying it's [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits our team]]'s ''uniqueness'' that makes us so effective.\\
'''Simmons:''' No, I'm saying you have a seemingly ''endless'' reserve of sheer ''[[BornLucky dumb]] [[UnluckilyLucky luck]]'', and [[GenreSavvy I want to capitalise on it]].

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->'''Eastwood:''' You're saying it's [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits our team]]'s team's ''uniqueness'' that makes us so effective.\\
'''Simmons:''' No, I'm saying you have a seemingly ''endless'' reserve of sheer ''[[BornLucky dumb]] [[UnluckilyLucky luck]]'', ''dumb luck'', and [[GenreSavvy I want to capitalise on it]].it.
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