History Main / SuperiorSuccessor

15th Jul '17 7:44:57 AM MarqFJA
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* SurpassedTheTeacher
* GooGooGodlike

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* SurpassedTheTeacher
AsskickingEqualsAuthority
* GooGooGodlikeBornWinner



* LamarckWasRight
* BornWinner



* AsskickingEqualsAuthority

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthorityGooGooGodlike



* LamarckWasRight



* SurpassedTheTeacher



* DragonAscendant
* ExtranormalInstitute



* ExtranormalInstitute
* DragonAscendant
* YouKillItYouBoughtIt

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* ExtranormalInstitute
* DragonAscendant
* YouKillItYouBoughtIt
HybridPower



* SuperBreedingProgram
* SuperpowerfulGenetics



* SuperpowerfulGenetics
* SuperBreedingProgram
* HybridPower

Contrast SuperPrototype, LostTechnology, AncientAstronauts and StrongerWithAge.

The polar opposite of SketchySuccessor and InadequateInheritor. {{Sucksessor}} is a subversion.

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* SuperpowerfulGenetics
* SuperBreedingProgram
* HybridPower

YouKillItYouBoughtIt

Contrast SuperPrototype, LostTechnology, AncientAstronauts and StrongerWithAge.

StrongerWithAge. The polar opposite of SketchySuccessor and InadequateInheritor. {{Sucksessor}} is a subversion.
24th May '17 10:24:46 PM Prometheus117
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*** Ultimately Defied, however. One Dark Lord once speculated that if the principles behind the "Rule of Two" were successful, eventually there would come a Dark Lord with no need for successors. This was eventually realized in [[BigBad Emperor Palpatine]], who became the most powerful Sith in history. Palpatine's plans largely revolved around the belief that he would attain {{Immortality}} and amass enough power that no one would ever threaten him. The three apprentices he trained (Maul, Tyrannus and Vader) never even came close to achieving his level of power and he never bothered to teach them, or anyone else, the majority of what he knew. Palpatine once off-handedly remarked that Vader would succeed him in strength, but his loss to Obi-Wan on Mustafar ensured that would never happen.

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*** Ultimately Defied, however. One Dark Lord once speculated that if the principles behind the "Rule of Two" were successful, eventually there would come a Dark Lord with no need for successors. This was eventually realized in [[BigBad Emperor Palpatine]], who became the most powerful Sith in history. Palpatine's plans largely revolved around the belief that he would attain {{Immortality}} and amass enough power that no one would ever threaten him. The three apprentices he trained (Maul, Tyrannus and Vader) never even came close to achieving his level of power and he never bothered to teach them, or anyone else, the majority of what he knew. Palpatine once off-handedly remarked that Vader would succeed him in strength, but his loss and subsequent crippling to Obi-Wan on Mustafar ensured that would never happen.
21st May '17 8:42:06 PM DVB
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** Finally {{Subverted}} with the Giants: they were created by Gaia to overthrow the Olympians, but, after getting an initial scare because the Giants ''were'' more powerful, the Olympians ''won''.

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** Finally {{Subverted}} with the Giants: they were created by Gaia to overthrow the Olympians, but, after getting an initial scare because the Giants ''were'' more powerful, the Olympians ''won''.ended up ''winning'' the confrontation; namely due to Hercules providing vast support through constant arrow barrage.
*** You can say the Trope is still played somewhat straight with Hercules. While initially a demigod, his time as humanity's champion and being with mortals helped him become better and more likeable than most of his parents' generations. Upon his death, he graduated to full god status and remained a god of heroism and sport. Not to mention, he was a key role in defeating the Olympians' would-ve successors.
21st May '17 8:37:37 PM DVB
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* The Franchise/{{Batman}} identity itself had this. With the same guy. Twice. [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]] filled in for Bruce Wayne ''after'' Comicbook/{{Azrael}} did, and was far superior in that... he wasn't a psychopath. Not really hard, but it's there. After that short stint, Bruce reclaimed the Batman mantle, but eventually died in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. This forced Dick to become Batman ''again'', and he was shown to be better than Bruce at the job, his happier attitude meaning that police preferred him, and he had already surpassed Bruce in leadership skills since his Robin days.

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* The Franchise/{{Batman}} identity itself had this. With the same guy. Twice. [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]] filled in for Bruce Wayne ''after'' Comicbook/{{Azrael}} did, and was far superior in that... that he wasn't is a psychopath. [[SanityHasAdvantages sane and mentally normal]] person compared to the myraid of issues Azrael had (that really weren't his fault.) Not really hard, but it's there. After that short stint, Bruce reclaimed the Batman mantle, but eventually died in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. This forced Dick to become Batman ''again'', and he was shown to be better than Bruce at the job, his happier attitude meaning that police preferred him, and he had already surpassed Bruce in leadership skills since his Robin days.



** Inverted with the fourth (or fifth) Batman, Damian Wayne. While physically he is superior, being NighInvulnerable, he himself admits that he will never measure up to either Dick or Bruce, and that he had to [[DealWithTheDevil cheat]] in order to get where he is. He is probably one of the worst Batmen we've seen, to the point where Gotham went up in flames on his watch.

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** Inverted with the fourth (or fifth) Batman, Damian Wayne. While physically he is superior, being NighInvulnerable, he himself admits that he will never measure up to either Dick or Bruce, and that he had to [[DealWithTheDevil cheat]] in order to get where he is. He is probably one of the worst Batmen we've seen, to the point where Gotham went up in flames on his watch. Granted, this is in a BadFuture, so it's hard to say whether this is canon or not.
18th May '17 9:57:47 PM DaScarecrow
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** When Dende replaces Kami to keep the Dragon Balls active on earth, his version of Shrenron is stronger than Kami's.

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** When Dende replaces Kami to keep the Dragon Balls active on earth, his version of Shrenron is stronger than Kami's. It probably helps that while both are from the same planet, which is what makes it possible for them to create Dragon Balls in the first place, Dende was raised and taught there while Kami basically taught himself.
6th May '17 6:19:24 PM FuzzyWulfe
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** She is also able to use her spider-sense to find weak points in her opponents. Though, when describing her discovery of it to her parents, it's suggested that Peter can do the same thing but never thought to try.
3rd May '17 6:37:25 PM Blazer
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** Even though we mostly see Pan as a baby in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', she's actually a lot more powerful than probably her father at his peak. Her ki control at barely a year old is incredible, destroying a spaceship, surviving in space, flying around, ''beating Future Trunks around like a punching bag''.
28th Apr '17 11:25:16 PM Gamermaster
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** [[DefiedTrope Defied]] in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikerS''. Fate makes it clear that the trainees are not expected to be aces like Nanoha, Fate, and the Volkenritter; they're being trained as "[[TitleDrop strikers]]," meaning that they're learning to be effective soldiers and team players. None of the second generation ever make it to S+ rank (the rank of Nanoha, Fate, and Signum); Teana Lanster would later achieve S-rank, but that's still a half-step below her mentor, Nanoha.

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** [[DefiedTrope Defied]] in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikerS''. ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers''. Fate makes it clear that the trainees are not expected to be aces like Nanoha, Fate, and the Volkenritter; Wolkenritter; they're being trained as "[[TitleDrop strikers]]," meaning that they're learning to be effective soldiers and team players. None of the second generation ever make it to S+ rank (the rank of Nanoha, Fate, and Signum); Teana Lanster would later achieve S-rank, but that's still a half-step below her mentor, Nanoha.




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* In ''Manga/MissKobayashisDragonMaid'', Tohru is powerful enough to frighten her own father himself a powerful Chaos Dragon when he shows up to bring her home and makes the mistake of attacking Kobayashi. In the anime, they're more evenly matched.
11th Mar '17 2:39:55 AM Stasonio
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* ''Franchise/MetalGear'': Big Boss gets his name by defeating his mentor, The Boss.

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* ''Franchise/MetalGear'': Big Boss gets his name by defeating his mentor, The Boss.Boss, only to be defeated later by the next man to bear his original codename - Snake.
12th Nov '16 4:24:47 PM Ramidel
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* [[DefiedTrope Defied]] in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikerS''. Fate makes it clear that the trainees are not expected to be aces like Nanoha, Fate, and the Volkenritter; they're being trained as "[[TitleDrop strikers]]," meaning that they're learning to be effective soldiers and team players. None of the second generation ever make it to S+ rank (the rank of Nanoha, Fate, and Signum); Teana Lanster would later achieve S-rank, but that's still a half-step below her mentor, Nanoha.

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* ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'':
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[[DefiedTrope Defied]] in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikerS''. Fate makes it clear that the trainees are not expected to be aces like Nanoha, Fate, and the Volkenritter; they're being trained as "[[TitleDrop strikers]]," meaning that they're learning to be effective soldiers and team players. None of the second generation ever make it to S+ rank (the rank of Nanoha, Fate, and Signum); Teana Lanster would later achieve S-rank, but that's still a half-step below her mentor, Nanoha.
** Vivio Takamachi is still up in the air on this one. It's been shown that she has more raw potential than anyone else in the series, but unlike her mothers, doesn't train nearly as hard, preferring to be a normal little girl instead of a [[ChildSoldiers Child Soldier]]. She has one of the most versatile combat styles in the series, but she's clearly not as strong as her mothers were at her age (though she can increase her power by aging herself up). The jury's out on whether she'll catch up.
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