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18th Sep '17 10:09:46 AM Kalaong
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* ''ComicBook/TheBoys'' goes for the "SuperSerum's original creator was kidnapped/killed" variant of this. Consequently, the most powerful heroes in the setting were all created by Vogelbaum, the scientist in question, with [[StupidJetpackHitler former Hitler Youth member Stormfront]] being the prototype for the serum and a FlyingBrick stronger than the vast majority of characters. Everyone else gets their powers from the SuperSerum having contaminated the environment (as the company found it cheaper than paying billions of dollars for every hero), causing random mutations that almost never stack up to the AceCustom nature of the original generation.

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* ''ComicBook/TheBoys'' goes for the "SuperSerum's original creator was kidnapped/killed" variant of this. Consequently, the most powerful heroes at this from every angle. Though it's not commonly known, every superhuman in the setting were all series is the result of "Compound V", a SuperSerum created by Dr. Jonah Vogelbaum, the a German scientist in question, who fled the Nazi regime with his SuperPrototype [[StupidJetpackHitler former Hitler Youth member Stormfront]] being the prototype for the serum and Stormfront]]; a FlyingBrick stronger than the vast majority of characters. Everyone else gets However, Stormfront is nowhere near as powerful as his {{Ace Custom}}s The Seven in general and his MagnumOpus Homelander in particular - and ''all'' of them cost truly ridiculous amounts of money. The protagonists got their enhanced strength and resilience from a Compound V knockoff that cost ''nineteen billion dollars per shot''. When Vogelbaum died, the MegaCorp that licensed them just plain stopped production, switching to recruiting "naturally occurring" superhumans -- that actually got their powers from the SuperSerum their constant experiments with the serum having contaminated the environment (as the company found it cheaper than paying billions of dollars for every hero), environment, causing random mutations that almost never really stack up to the AceCustom nature of the original generation.generation. Also, [[spoiler:Vogelbaum didn't really die, but was recruited by the government to make The Boys' serum]].
18th Sep '17 3:58:09 AM WiddershinsDaughter
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* The Rocketdyne F-1, to every U.S. rocket engine since then. It was so powerful that the first examples built, scaled up from existing rocket designs, were unable to stand up to the force they were delivering and literally ripped themselves apart on the test stand. To test their stabilizing capabilities, NASA essentially built a grenade launcher to fire explosives into the rocket plume while the engine was running. Each individual flying F-1 engine was hand-built and hand-tuned, making the whole production run of fifty engines a series of Super Prototypes designed to work with four other Super Prototypes in concert.
17th Sep '17 8:35:34 PM Kuruni
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** The Spartan-[=IIs=] are this to the Spartan-[=IIIs=] and [=IVs=]. The [=IIs=] tend to be larger, stronger, and just more naturally talented overall, due being subject to a much more stringent selection criteria than their successors. On top of all that, their [[PoweredArmor MJOLNIR armor]] is far better than the [=III=]'s SPI armor (though ''not'' the [=IV=]'s [=GEN2=] MJOLNIR). On the other hand, the [=IIs=] were also much more costly to produce and equip, and the process of augmenting them had a much higher failure rate than with the [=IIIs=] and [=IVs=], making them much fewer in numbers and much less expendable. ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' gives a good example of this trope, where Jorge, TheBigGuy of Noble Team and its only Spartan-II, towers above his Spartan-III squadmates and effortlessly carries a giant machine gun that the others would be greatly slowed down by.
*** Not entirely accurate about Jorge. He is very large and strong for a Spartan-II. Canonically, the augmentations had advanced sufficiently that Spartan-III recruits who had the genetic markers necessary for the S-II enhancements were separated from their companies and given longer, more stringent training, Spartan-II augmentations, and MJOLNIR armor and were deployed to reinforce the Spartan-IIs. Which is the canonical explanation for Noble Team's Spartan-IIs keeping up with their Spartan-II teammate and their powered assault armor.
** The [=IVs=] are superior in both equipment quality and numbers compared to their [=III=] and [=II=] predecessors. However, while the [=IVs=] ''are'' highly-skilled volunteers drawn from the best veterans and recruits, the [=IIIs=] and [=IIs=] were both trained to be the perfect soldiers from ''[[TheSpartanWay childhood]]''; this difference manifests itself most clearly in the comparatively lesser skill and professionalism of the [=IVs=]. WordOfGod has also stated that the [=IVs=]' physical augmentations are inferior to those of their predecessors.
*** Spartan-IVs are put through several years of training instead of the few weeks to few months of other soldiers. Furthermore, the only difference in augmentations between them and the IIs is that an implant which further increased their strength was not added because it caused many deaths in the IIs and their bones were not coated with armor for similar reasons. They also likely lack "Spartan Time" reflexes. Which is kinda stupid since the Spartan-IIs strength and durability matches that of an Elite and their incredible reflexes were the main reason they kicked so much ass. Spartan-IVs are basically just Elite Ultras who fight pragmatically instead of charging stupidly into gunfire. Basically a pointless waste of money instead of just having everyone sign a disclaimer about the risks of augmentation and adding the Spartan Time brain and nervous system augmentations to the IVs.
** Averted by the Spartan-I program, which did not have the success that the later programs did; if [[spoiler:Sergeant Johnson]] is any indication, they're just slightly better than the best {{Badass Normal}}s. In fact, the Spartan program as a whole had to be renamed from "Project Orion" in order to distance the S-[=IIs=] from their predecessors (who themselves were retroactively renamed "Spartan-Is" to acknowledge they ''did'' provide the necessary data for the success of the later programs).
*** Canonically the Orions were a great success for their designed purpose; stopping the nuke-happy Insurrectionist from cleansing UEG life from planets. However, because they had a short expiration date before most of them broke down similar to an out-of-date Smart AI, it was untenable and could not manage to continue. So, the Spartan-IIs were created as a last-ditch attempt to prevent nuclear holocaust across human space. They succeeded.

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** The Spartan-[=IIs=] are this to the Spartan-[=IIIs=] and [=IVs=]. The [=IIs=] tend to be larger, stronger, and just more naturally talented overall, due being subject to a much more stringent selection criteria than their successors. On top of all that, their [[PoweredArmor MJOLNIR armor]] is far better than the [=III=]'s SPI armor (though ''not'' the [=IV=]'s [=GEN2=] MJOLNIR). On the other hand, the [=IIs=] were also much more costly to produce and equip, and the process of augmenting them had a much higher failure rate than with the [=IIIs=] and [=IVs=], making them much fewer in numbers and much less expendable. ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' gives a good example of this trope, where Jorge, TheBigGuy of Noble Team and its only Spartan-II, towers above his Spartan-III squadmates and effortlessly carries a giant machine gun that the others would be greatly slowed down by.
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by. Not entirely accurate about Jorge. He is very large and strong for a Spartan-II. Canonically, the augmentations had advanced sufficiently that Spartan-III recruits who had the genetic markers necessary for the S-II enhancements were separated from their companies and given longer, more stringent training, Spartan-II augmentations, and MJOLNIR armor and were deployed to reinforce the Spartan-IIs. Which is the canonical explanation for Noble Team's Spartan-IIs keeping up with their Spartan-II teammate and their powered assault armor.
** The [=IVs=] are superior in both equipment quality and numbers compared to their [=III=] and [=II=] predecessors. However, while the [=IVs=] ''are'' highly-skilled volunteers drawn from the best veterans and recruits, the [=IIIs=] and [=IIs=] were both trained to be the perfect soldiers from ''[[TheSpartanWay childhood]]''; this difference manifests itself most clearly in the comparatively lesser skill and professionalism of the [=IVs=]. WordOfGod has also stated that the [=IVs=]' physical augmentations are inferior to those of their predecessors.
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predecessors. Spartan-IVs are put through several years of training instead of the few weeks to few months of other soldiers. Furthermore, the only difference in augmentations between them and the IIs is that an implant which further increased their strength was not added because it caused many deaths in the IIs and their bones were not coated with armor for similar reasons. They also likely lack "Spartan Time" reflexes. Which is kinda stupid since the Spartan-IIs strength and durability matches that of an Elite and their incredible reflexes were the main reason they kicked so much ass. Spartan-IVs are basically just Elite Ultras who fight pragmatically instead of charging stupidly into gunfire. Basically a pointless waste of money instead of just having everyone sign a disclaimer about the risks of augmentation and adding the Spartan Time brain and nervous system augmentations to the IVs.
** Averted by the Spartan-I program, which did not have the success that the later programs did; if [[spoiler:Sergeant Johnson]] is any indication, they're just slightly better than the best {{Badass Normal}}s. In fact, the Spartan program as a whole had to be renamed from "Project Orion" in order to distance the S-[=IIs=] from their predecessors (who themselves were retroactively renamed "Spartan-Is" to acknowledge they ''did'' provide the necessary data for the success of the later programs). \n*** Canonically the Orions were a great success for their designed purpose; stopping the nuke-happy Insurrectionist from cleansing UEG life from planets. However, because they had a short expiration date before most of them broke down similar to an out-of-date Smart AI, it was untenable and could not manage to continue. So, the Spartan-IIs were created as a last-ditch attempt to prevent nuclear holocaust across human space. They succeeded.
17th Sep '17 6:40:40 PM HighfalutinEaglet
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*** Canonically the Orions were a great success for their designed purpose; stopping the nuke-happy Insurrectionist from cleansing UEG life from planets. However, because they had a short expiration date before most of them broke down similar to an out-of-date Smart AI, it was untenable and could not manage to continue. So, the Spartan-IIs were created as a last-ditch attempt to prevent nuclear holocaust across human space. They succeeded.
17th Sep '17 6:38:14 PM HighfalutinEaglet
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** The [=IVs=] are superior in both equipment quality and numbers compared to their [=III=] and [=II=] predecessors. However, while the [=IVs=] ''are'' highly-skilled volunteers drawn from the best veterans and recruits, the [=IIIs=] and [=IIs=] were both trained to be the perfect soldiers from ''[[TheSpartanWay childhood]]''; this difference manifests itself most clearly in the comparatively lesser skill and professionalism of the [=IVs=]. WordOfGod has also stated that the [=IVs=]' physical augmentations are inferior to those of their predecessors.

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*** Not entirely accurate about Jorge. He is very large and strong for a Spartan-II. Canonically, the augmentations had advanced sufficiently that Spartan-III recruits who had the genetic markers necessary for the S-II enhancements were separated from their companies and given longer, more stringent training, Spartan-II augmentations, and MJOLNIR armor and were deployed to reinforce the Spartan-IIs. Which is the canonical explanation for Noble Team's Spartan-IIs keeping up with their Spartan-II teammate and their powered assault armor.
** The [=IVs=] are superior in both equipment quality and numbers compared to their [=III=] and [=II=] predecessors. However, while the [=IVs=] ''are'' highly-skilled volunteers drawn from the best veterans and recruits, the [=IIIs=] and [=IIs=] were both trained to be the perfect soldiers from ''[[TheSpartanWay childhood]]''; this difference manifests itself most clearly in the comparatively lesser skill and professionalism of the [=IVs=]. WordOfGod has also stated that the [=IVs=]' physical augmentations are inferior to those of their predecessors. predecessors.
*** Spartan-IVs are put through several years of training instead of the few weeks to few months of other soldiers. Furthermore, the only difference in augmentations between them and the IIs is that an implant which further increased their strength was not added because it caused many deaths in the IIs and their bones were not coated with armor for similar reasons. They also likely lack "Spartan Time" reflexes. Which is kinda stupid since the Spartan-IIs strength and durability matches that of an Elite and their incredible reflexes were the main reason they kicked so much ass. Spartan-IVs are basically just Elite Ultras who fight pragmatically instead of charging stupidly into gunfire. Basically a pointless waste of money instead of just having everyone sign a disclaimer about the risks of augmentation and adding the Spartan Time brain and nervous system augmentations to the IVs.
3rd Sep '17 12:47:28 PM EternalNothingness
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** ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' is very much this case, particularly with the Gundams of Celestial Being, and the more specialized units of the Earth Sphere Federation's A-Laws, and Innovade allies. Each of the main Gundams have a specific role, such as Sniper, Melee, High Mobility, or Fire Support [[spoiler: Which secretly hides it's real purpose, as a judge, jury, and executioner for those who betray Celestial Being's ideals with a system that shuts down rogue Gundams systems]]. Several side story visual novels and mangas also detail the prototypes to the Gundams of the anime, and [[MechaExpansionPack Mecha Expansion Packs]] that were never seen in the show, due to their limited purposes.

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** ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' is very much this case, particularly with the Gundams of Celestial Being, and the more specialized units of the Earth Sphere Federation's A-Laws, and Innovade allies. Each of the main Gundams have a specific role, such as Sniper, Melee, High Mobility, Aerial Assault, or Fire Support Heavy Artillery [[spoiler: Which secretly hides it's real purpose, as a judge, jury, and executioner for those who betray Celestial Being's ideals with a system that shuts down rogue Gundams systems]]. Several side story visual novels and mangas also detail the prototypes to the Gundams of the anime, and [[MechaExpansionPack Mecha Expansion Packs]] that were never seen in the show, due to their limited purposes.
11th Aug '17 9:01:05 PM Kadorhal
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* ''Manga/GetterRobo'' Āḥ has mass-produced Getters who are nowhere near the godly power of Shin, who was too terrifyingly destructive to replicate. There's also the fact that limiting the amount of Getter Rays the machines can hold prevents them from [[spoiler:turning sentient]]. In ''Getter Robo Armageddon'', Professor Saotome mass produces Getter Robo G in massive numbers with the sole purpose of forming them into Shin Dragon. Ryouma doesn't care and still beats the machines to a pulp.

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* ''Manga/GetterRobo'' Āḥ ''Manga/GetterRobo Āḥ'' has mass-produced Getters who are nowhere near the godly power of Shin, who was too terrifyingly destructive to replicate. There's also the fact that limiting the amount of Getter Rays the machines can hold prevents them from [[spoiler:turning sentient]]. In ''Getter Robo Armageddon'', Professor Saotome mass produces Getter Robo G in massive numbers with the sole purpose of forming them into Shin Dragon. Ryouma doesn't care and still beats the machines to a pulp.



* ''Anime/GaoGaiGarFINAL'' is a zig-zagging example that ultimately plays this straight. [[spoiler:[=GaoGaiGar=] and [=GaoFightGar=]]] are both based on the blueprints of [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=]]], but are significantly weaker; partialy due to [[spoiler:humans]] being unable to perfectly copy [[spoiler:alien]] design, and partially on purpose, as some of original's weapons were modified to serve non-offensive purpose. However, [[WordOfGod supplementary materials]] explain that [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=] would have actually performed ''worse'' against the earlier foes, since it was designed to combat the Sol Masters, while the later [=GaoGaiGar=] and [=GaoFighGar=] were purpose-built for taking on Zonders and the 31 Primevals]]. For all intents and purposes, however, [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=]]] is a straight upgrade when it's acquired, since [[spoiler:the destruction of the Z-Master, and [[NoOntologicalInertia with it all Zonder metal]],]] has rendered the later models' advantages moot.

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* ''Anime/GaoGaiGarFINAL'' ''Anime/{{GaoGaiGar FINAL}}'' is a zig-zagging example that ultimately plays this straight. [[spoiler:[=GaoGaiGar=] [=GaoGaiGar=] and [=GaoFightGar=]]] [=GaoFightGar=] are both based on the blueprints of [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=]]], but are significantly weaker; partialy partially due to [[spoiler:humans]] being unable to perfectly copy [[spoiler:alien]] design, and partially on purpose, as some of the original's weapons were modified to serve non-offensive purpose. However, [[WordOfGod supplementary materials]] explain that [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=] [=GaoGaiGar=]]] would have actually performed ''worse'' against the earlier foes, since it was designed to combat the Sol Masters, while the later [=GaoGaiGar=] and [=GaoFighGar=] were purpose-built for taking on Zonders and the 31 Primevals]].Primevals. For all intents and purposes, however, [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=]]] is a straight upgrade when it's acquired, since [[spoiler:the destruction of the Z-Master, and [[NoOntologicalInertia with it all Zonder metal]],]] has rendered the later models' advantages moot.
10th Aug '17 6:06:48 PM Kadorhal
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* One character from ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', [[spoiler:Subaru Nakajima]] is a self-admitted homage to ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars''. [[spoiler:It turns out that she]] is the prototype to the Number cyborgs, stronger than the rest of them, and [[spoiler:so is her sister Ginga]]. The special moves "borrowed" from such {{Super Robot|Genre}}s like ''Anime/GEARFighterDendoh'', ''Anime/GaoGaiGar'', ''Manga/CombattlerV'' and more make this homage especially apparent.
** It's not that [[spoiler:Subaru]] is stronger than the Numbers. She just happens to have a Inherent Skill which is very effective against cyborgs. Also [[spoiler:both sisters]] are {{Lightning Bruiser}}s compared to the GlassCannon Numbers.
** Fate Testarossa is another super prototype in a way -- she was [[spoiler:the very first successful ArtificialHuman created by an illegal cloning project run by the master of the Numbers, Jail Scaglietti. She bears the project's original name, and is the prototype that Jail used to create all the other Artificial Mages of the setting]]. However, to her mother, Fate is a FlawedPrototype because [[spoiler:she was meant to be a clone of her dead daughter Alicia, but ended up gaining quirks of her own which royally pissed off mommy dearest.]]

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* One character from ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', [[spoiler:Subaru Nakajima]] is a self-admitted homage to ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars''. [[spoiler:It turns out that she]] is the prototype to the Number cyborgs, [[spoiler:as is her sister Ginga]], and while she's not technically stronger than the rest of them, and [[spoiler:so Number cyborgs, she does have an Inherent Skill that is her sister Ginga]].very effective against cyborgs. The special moves "borrowed" from such {{Super Robot|Genre}}s like ''Anime/GEARFighterDendoh'', ''Anime/GaoGaiGar'', ''Manga/CombattlerV'' and more make this homage especially apparent.
** It's not that [[spoiler:Subaru]] is stronger than the Numbers. She just happens to have a Inherent Skill which is very effective against cyborgs. Also [[spoiler:both sisters]] are {{Lightning Bruiser}}s compared to the GlassCannon Numbers.
** Fate Testarossa is another super prototype in a way -- she was [[spoiler:the very first successful ArtificialHuman created by an illegal cloning project run by the master of the Numbers, Jail Scaglietti. She bears the project's original name, and is the prototype that Jail used to create all the other Artificial Mages of the setting]]. However, to her mother, Fate is a FlawedPrototype because [[spoiler:she was meant to be a clone of her dead daughter Alicia, but ended up gaining quirks of her own own, which royally pissed off mommy dearest.]]



* [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaigar=]]] from ''Anime/GaoGaiGar FINAL'' -- [[spoiler: [=GaoGaiGar=] and [=GaoFightGar=]]] are both based on its blueprints, but are significantly weaker, partialy due to [[spoiler:humans]] being unable to perfectly copy [[spoiler:alien]] design, partially on purpose, as some of original's weapons were modified to serve non-offensive purpose.

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* [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaigar=]]] from ''Anime/GaoGaiGar FINAL'' -- [[spoiler: [=GaoGaiGar=] ''Anime/GaoGaiGarFINAL'' is a zig-zagging example that ultimately plays this straight. [[spoiler:[=GaoGaiGar=] and [=GaoFightGar=]]] are both based on its blueprints, the blueprints of [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=]]], but are significantly weaker, weaker; partialy due to [[spoiler:humans]] being unable to perfectly copy [[spoiler:alien]] design, and partially on purpose, as some of original's weapons were modified to serve non-offensive purpose.purpose. However, [[WordOfGod supplementary materials]] explain that [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=] would have actually performed ''worse'' against the earlier foes, since it was designed to combat the Sol Masters, while the later [=GaoGaiGar=] and [=GaoFighGar=] were purpose-built for taking on Zonders and the 31 Primevals]]. For all intents and purposes, however, [[spoiler:Genesic [=GaoGaiGar=]]] is a straight upgrade when it's acquired, since [[spoiler:the destruction of the Z-Master, and [[NoOntologicalInertia with it all Zonder metal]],]] has rendered the later models' advantages moot.
10th Aug '17 2:22:56 PM Warwolf
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** There's also some speculation that the Wing Zero may have '''''EATEN''''' one of the pilots who attempted to use it. Because despite the pilot being declared dead and the cockpit never opening after his death, they NeverFoundTheBody afterwards, which not only means the suit is dangerous to the mind of the pilots, it may have actually gotten a taste for [[ImaHumanitarian human flesh.]] The fact that Heero ''talks'' to Zero like it can actually communicate with him, and tells Zechs that both Zero and Epyon have "told" him things just makes the ZERO system itself NightmareFuel on several levels.

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** There's also some speculation that the Wing Zero may have '''''EATEN''''' one of the pilots who attempted to use it. Because despite the pilot being declared dead and the cockpit never opening after his death, death until Zechs captured it, they NeverFoundTheBody afterwards, which not only means the suit is dangerous to the mind of the pilots, it may have actually gotten a taste for [[ImaHumanitarian human flesh.]] The fact that Heero ''talks'' to Zero like it can actually communicate with him, and tells Zechs that both Zero and Epyon have "told" him things just makes the ZERO system itself NightmareFuel on several levels.
10th Aug '17 2:21:34 PM Warwolf
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** There's also some speculation that the Wing Zero may have '''''EATEN''''' one of the pilots who attempted to use it. Because despite the pilot being declared dead and the cockpit never opening after his death, they NeverFoundTheBody afterwards, which not only means the suit is dangerous to the mind of the pilots, it may have actually gotten a taste for [[ImaHumanitarian human flesh.]] The fact that Heero ''talks'' to Zero like it can actually communicate with him, and tells Zechs that both Zero and Epyon have "told" him things just makes the ZERO system itself NightmareFuel on several levels.
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