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11th Feb '16 6:51:15 PM DarkHunter
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* ''VideoGame/ZoneOfTheEnders'' has the Orbital Frame Jehuty, an Orbital Frame in its own tier of power compared to everything else. Unfortunately, due to very bad luck, it was launched without 90% of its equipment drivers installed, leaving its performance at the bare minimum of its specs. Even then it tears through other Orbital Frames, including ones produced years later. The bad news is: the bad guys got Jehuty's brother unit Anubis... and Anubis is at its full power. Do not try fighting Anubis before Jehuty has unlocked all of its equipment... [[HopelessBossFight it will not go well at all.]]
7th Feb '16 7:17:49 PM ImaginaryMetroid
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** The [=IVs=] are superior in both equipment quality and numbers compared to both the [=IIIs=] and [=IVs=]. However, while the former ''are'' highly-skilled volunteers drawn from the best veterans and recruits, the latter were both trained to be the perfect soldiers from ''[[TheSpartanWay childhood]]''; this difference manifests itself most clearly in the somewhat unprofessional demeanor of some of the [=IVs=]. WordOfGod has also stated that the [=IVs=]' physical augmentations are inferior to those of their predecessors.
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** The [=IVs=] are superior in both equipment quality and numbers compared to both the [=IIIs=] and [=IVs=].[=IIs=]. However, while the former ''are'' highly-skilled volunteers drawn from the best veterans and recruits, the latter were both trained to be the perfect soldiers from ''[[TheSpartanWay childhood]]''; this difference manifests itself most clearly in the somewhat unprofessional demeanor of some of the [=IVs=]. WordOfGod has also stated that the [=IVs=]' physical augmentations are inferior to those of their predecessors.
13th Jan '16 11:02:09 AM roothorick
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A common fusion of these normally opposite tropes is "TheHero's version is more powerful but has the DramaPreservingHandicap that the others don't." Maybe all versions after TheHero's are weaker because the "use it for longer than [[HourOfPower five minutes]] and it shuts down/explodes/drives you insane" problem could not be fixed without losing some power.
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A common fusion of these normally opposite tropes is "TheHero's version is more powerful but has the DramaPreservingHandicap that the others don't." Maybe all versions after TheHero's are weaker because the "use it for longer than [[HourOfPower five minutes]] and it shuts down/explodes/drives you insane" problem could not be fixed without losing some power. power. An alternate fusion introduces a prototype not of the current rank-and-file model, but their intended successor, as a justification.
5th Jan '16 3:41:54 PM SSJMagus
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** The Trade Federation in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' uses two types of battle droids, that look the exact same. You have the OOM models, which possess advanced and independent programming, and the B1 models, which are [[TooDumbToLive dumb as a box of rocks]]. The kicker, the [=OOMs=] are the prototypes. You would think that with code being easily replicated, ALL battle droids would be [=OOMs=], but instead the Trade Federation decided to shoot themselves in the foot.
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** The Trade Federation in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' uses two types of battle droids, that look the exact same. You have the OOM models, which possess advanced and independent programming, and the B1 models, which are [[TooDumbToLive dumb as a box of rocks]]. The kicker, the [=OOMs=] are the prototypes. You would think that with code being easily replicated, ALL battle droids would be [=OOMs=], but instead the Trade Federation decided to shoot themselves in the foot. Expanded Universe sources indicate that they feared an droid army in which every soldier was capable of intelligent thought [[RobotWar might turn against them]].

* The MBT-70 was the direct precursor to the famous [[TankGoodness Leopard II and M1 Abrams]] main battle tanks, and for a while was technically superior to both. The catch? The fact that it required a practical PHD in engineering in order to operate meant that [[AcePilot only a select number of people could operate it]], and it certainly wasn't reasonable to devote a whole base of logistics for only a dozen tanks.
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* The MBT-70 was the direct precursor to the famous [[TankGoodness Leopard II and M1 Abrams]] main battle tanks, and for a while was technically superior to both. The catch? The fact that it required a practical PHD in engineering in order to operate meant that [[AcePilot only a select number of people could operate it]], and it certainly wasn't reasonable to devote a whole base of logistics for only a dozen tanks. The other problem was that the Germans and Americans at the time had incompatible ideas of what they wanted out their next main battle tank, which was why the American version of the MBT-70 carried a [[{{BFG}} 152mm rifled gun]] that was also capable of launching missiles while the German version used a 120mm smoothbore gun that only fired shells. (In the end, both armies used the German gun for their later tanks, so if not for Pentagon stubbornness a further-developed and simplified MBT-70 probably would've worked out fine.)
5th Jan '16 12:26:45 AM SSJMagus
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* The world's first Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVN-65 USS Enterprise (CVN-65)]] was a one of a kind super prototype of the later Nimitz Class carriers. Equipped with '''8(!)''' nuclear reactors[[note]]because the output of the nuclear reactors available at the time wasn't high enough to allow for a single reactor design[[/note]] and advanced electronic systems on a unique square island structure the "Big E" was later surpassed in displacement by the Nimitz carriers, but remained the longest military vessel in the world until her retirement in 2013. The excessive cost of the Enterprise and its 8 reactor layout resulted in the Navy shelving the nuclear carrier concept with proposed sister ship USS America being re-ordered as a conventionally powered Kitty Hawk class carrier and the USS John F. Kennedy also being converted to conventional propulsion during construction. The US Navy would not commission another nuclear carrier until 13 years later in 1975.
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* The world's first Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVN-65 USS Enterprise (CVN-65)]] was a one of a kind super prototype of the later Nimitz Class carriers. Equipped with '''8(!)''' nuclear reactors[[note]]because the output of the nuclear reactors available at the time wasn't high enough to allow for a single reactor design[[/note]] design, and also because it was seen as only natural that the 8 boilers of a conventional supercarrier would be replaced by 8 reactors in a nuclear supercarrier[[/note]] and advanced electronic systems on a unique square island structure the "Big E" was later surpassed in displacement by the Nimitz carriers, but remained the longest military vessel in the world until her retirement in 2013. The excessive cost of the Enterprise and its 8 reactor layout resulted in the Navy shelving the nuclear carrier concept with proposed sister ship USS America being re-ordered as a conventionally powered Kitty Hawk class carrier and the USS John F. Kennedy also being converted to conventional propulsion during construction. The US Navy would not commission another nuclear carrier until 13 years later in 1975.
28th Dec '15 8:14:59 PM CountDorku
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** Played straight with the Primarchs, who are superior to any other soldier the Imperium has and are the templates for almost all of the Space Marines in existence today. However, the process which created them were extremely intensive and the Emperor only managed to create 20 of them, which he later deemed to be used as the templates for the Space Marine Legions and commanders for said legions. They were, however, basically DesignerBabies (from the Emperor's DNA himself) where Space Marines are people born normally with genetic engineering applied later.
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** Played straight with the Primarchs, who are superior to any other soldier the Imperium has and are the templates for almost all of the Space Marines in existence today. However, the process which created them were was extremely intensive and [[UnreliableNarrator may or may not have involved stealing power from Hell to achieve]] and the Emperor only managed to create 20 of them, which he later deemed to be used as the templates for the Space Marine Legions and commanders for said legions. They were, however, basically DesignerBabies (from the Emperor's DNA himself) where Space Marines are people born normally with genetic engineering applied later.
28th Dec '15 7:35:09 PM Hadjorim
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A question that often comes up is ''why'' the super prototype is so, well, ''super'' compared to the production model. The typical reason given is that the production model is far cheaper or easier to make in large numbers. Except that this defeats the whole purpose of a ''prototype'' - something built to test the capabilities of the final product and correct any flaws before mass production begins, meaning you want your test unit to be as similar to your production unit as possible. As such, prototypes are frequently indistinguishable from standard models. Mostly, this is just a case of letting TheHero be [[RuleOfCool that much more awesome]].
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A question that often comes up is ''why'' the super prototype is so, well, ''super'' compared to the production model. The typical reason given is that the production model is far cheaper or easier to make in large numbers. Except that this defeats the whole purpose of a ''prototype'' - something built to test the capabilities of the final product and correct any flaws before mass production begins, meaning you want your test unit to be as similar to your production unit as possible. As such, real-life prototypes are frequently indistinguishable from standard models. Mostly, this is just a case of letting TheHero be [[RuleOfCool that much more awesome]].
24th Dec '15 10:10:38 PM DarkHunter
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** ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' gives us Provisional Unit-05 which is very much a FlawedPrototype, if not for the flight thrusters no other Eva has. The third ''Rebuild'' movie subverts the trope by introducing even later Eva Units that are far superior to the prototypes they'd been using: with modular weapons packs that can quickly be swapped out mid-battle, portable batteries allowing them to operate without the umbilical cable, and the Eva Mark-09 has rocket boosters that allow it to fly under its own power and an Angel-level HealingFactor. [[spoiler:Unit-13 appears to be Unit-01's successor and has AttackDrones and two sets of arms, in addition to Unit-01's ability to initiate an Impact Event under the right circumstances.]]
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** ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' gives us Provisional Unit-05 which is very much a FlawedPrototype, if not for as it was rushed into service half-built to deal with an emergency situation. The only advantage it had over any other Evas were the flight thrusters no other Eva has.thrusters. The third ''Rebuild'' movie subverts the trope by introducing even later Eva Units that are far superior to the prototypes they'd been using: with modular weapons packs that can quickly be swapped out mid-battle, portable batteries allowing them to operate without the umbilical cable, and the Eva Mark-09 has rocket boosters that allow it to fly under its own power and an Angel-level HealingFactor. [[spoiler:Unit-13 appears to be Unit-01's successor and has AttackDrones and two sets of arms, in addition to Unit-01's ability to initiate an Impact Event under the right circumstances.]]
21st Dec '15 11:43:55 PM jormis29
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* Subverted and played straight in ''VideoGame/{{Homeworld}}: Cataclysm'': the player ship ''Kuun Lan'' subverts it as, while the second of the two Explorer-class ships built by the Soomtaw, [[AllThereInTheManual has superior armour, engines and module capacity than the prototype due correction of design flaws discovered during construction]], while the Soomtaw Acolyte-class fighter plays it straight, as it's based on a Bentusi design that is slightly faster, has about five times its number of hit points and sports guns about twice as powerful.
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* Subverted and played straight in ''VideoGame/{{Homeworld}}: Cataclysm'': ''VideoGame/HomeworldCataclysm'': the player ship ''Kuun Lan'' subverts it as, while the second of the two Explorer-class ships built by the Soomtaw, [[AllThereInTheManual has superior armour, engines and module capacity than the prototype due correction of design flaws discovered during construction]], while the Soomtaw Acolyte-class fighter plays it straight, as it's based on a Bentusi design that is slightly faster, has about five times its number of hit points and sports guns about twice as powerful.
16th Dec '15 8:46:39 AM Mhazard
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* The Living Failures of ''VideoGame/Bloodborne'' is a flawed prototype of Celestial Emissary, although the test subject failed to ascend into kins of the [[EldritchAbomination Great Ones]], they are far deadlier than their successors and can [[MacrossMissileMassacre conjure meteors]]. One wonder why the Healing Church did not weaponise them instead.
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* The Living Failures of ''VideoGame/Bloodborne'' ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}'' is meant to be a flawed prototype FlawedPrototype of Celestial Emissary, although Emissary since the test subject failed to ascend into kins of the [[EldritchAbomination Great Ones]], Ones]]. Despite how "failed" it sounded like, they are far deadlier than their successors and can [[MacrossMissileMassacre conjure meteors]]. One wonder why the Healing Church did not weaponise them instead.
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