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9th Sep '17 4:01:36 PM nombretomado
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* The [[AmericanPoliticalSystem American Democratic Party]] has a donkey for a symbol. This is sometimes said to originate--like so many American political terms--with an insult: namely, calling Democrats "jackasses" because they supported [[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson Andrew]] '''[[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson Jack]]'''[[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson son]]. However, the link between the Dems and the donkey was cemented by [[PoliticalCartoon political cartoonist]] Thomas Nast in the late 19th century, who drew the Democrats as a donkey stubbornly but futilely kicking the Republican elephant (itself chosen to represent the GOP's domination over [[TheGildedAge Gilded Age]] politics). Democrats continue to emphasize the use of the donkey as a representation of stubbornness...although today, the ''reason'' for the donkey's stubbornness (intelligence) is also emphasized.

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* The [[AmericanPoliticalSystem [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem American Democratic Party]] has a donkey for a symbol. This is sometimes said to originate--like so many American political terms--with an insult: namely, calling Democrats "jackasses" because they supported [[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson Andrew]] '''[[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson Jack]]'''[[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson son]]. However, the link between the Dems and the donkey was cemented by [[PoliticalCartoon political cartoonist]] Thomas Nast in the late 19th century, who drew the Democrats as a donkey stubbornly but futilely kicking the Republican elephant (itself chosen to represent the GOP's domination over [[TheGildedAge Gilded Age]] politics). Democrats continue to emphasize the use of the donkey as a representation of stubbornness...although today, the ''reason'' for the donkey's stubbornness (intelligence) is also emphasized.
4th Mar '17 5:38:13 AM EDP
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* This is the reason they were used to carry equipment in mountainous terrain, horses were just too damned obedient to choose a safe path. They're also generally tougher than horses, making them a good choice for the military for getting to places where vehicles can't go (the USMC started using them in Afghanistan).

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* This is the reason they were used to carry equipment in mountainous terrain, horses were just too damned obedient to choose a safe path. They're also generally tougher than horses, making them a good choice for the military for getting to places where vehicles can't go (the (European mountain-based militaries have done so for centuries, and as they were abandoning them the USMC started using them mules in Afghanistan).
23rd Jan '17 1:58:40 PM Euodiachloris
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** Actual mules, donkeys and hill ponies (moor-, Shetland- or Icelandic pony analogues) also show up. Although not widely deemed as impressive as a warhorse, let alone a dragon, they are ''essential'' if you want to get around the wilder parts of the Seven Kingdoms in anything like decent time. For climbing up to the Eyrie or trekking near the Wall, you need reliable, hardy stubborness that's both willing to balk at mutually suicidal directions and can just keep ticking along on even dodgy forage. As Stannis finds out when he tries ploughing Southern-bred slabs of hay-guzzling muscle through autumn snow. The poor horses weren't bred or trained for that.


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** Actual mules, donkeys and hill ponies ponies/horses (moor-, Shetland- or Icelandic pony analogues) also show up. Although not widely deemed as impressive as a warhorse, let alone a dragon, they are ''essential'' if you want to get around the wilder parts of the Seven Kingdoms in anything like decent time. For climbing up to the Eyrie or trekking near around and beyond the Wall, you need reliable, hardy stubborness that's both willing to balk at mutually suicidal directions and can just keep ticking along on even dodgy forage. As Stannis finds out when he tries ploughing Southern-bred slabs of hay-guzzling muscle through autumn snow. The poor horses war- and draught-horses weren't bred or trained for that.

23rd Dec '16 1:38:11 AM Euodiachloris
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** Actual mules, donkeys and hill ponies (moor-, Shetland- or Icelandic pony analogues) also show up. Although not widely deemed as impressive as a warhorse, let alone a dragon, they are ''essential'' if you want to get around the wilder parts of the Seven Kingdoms in anything like decent time. For climbing up to the Eyrie or trekking near the Wall, you need reliable, hardy stubborness that can just keep on ticking on even dodgy forage. As Stannis finds out when he tries ploughing Southern-bred slabs of hay-guzzling muscle through autumn snow.


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** Actual mules, donkeys and hill ponies (moor-, Shetland- or Icelandic pony analogues) also show up. Although not widely deemed as impressive as a warhorse, let alone a dragon, they are ''essential'' if you want to get around the wilder parts of the Seven Kingdoms in anything like decent time. For climbing up to the Eyrie or trekking near the Wall, you need reliable, hardy stubborness that that's both willing to balk at mutually suicidal directions and can just keep on ticking along on even dodgy forage. As Stannis finds out when he tries ploughing Southern-bred slabs of hay-guzzling muscle through autumn snow.

snow. The poor horses weren't bred or trained for that.

23rd Dec '16 1:15:02 AM Euodiachloris
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the rather intelligent "mules" wear [[OurDragonsAreDifferent scales and breathe fire]]. The key to Valyrian-brand dragon-riding seems rather geared towards making bloody sure the individual dragon both knows you and really, ''really'' likes you before you try asking it to do anything it might object to. Thwacking one with a stick when it decides it wants to snooze or because it's in the way is [[KillItWithFire categorically]] ''[[ManOnFire not]]'' [[TooDumbToLive recommended]]. No more than walking up to one who doesn't know you, let alone accept you, and acting overly chummy is, even if you definitely have the right bloodline -- more than one Targaryen and Valeryon princeling found this out over the years. [[FoodAsBribe Possitive]] [[BondCreatures reinforcement]], yay!

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the some rather intelligent intelligent, hermaphroditic "mules" wear [[OurDragonsAreDifferent scales and breathe fire]]. The key to Valyrian-brand dragon-riding seems rather geared towards making bloody sure the individual dragon both knows you and really, ''really'' likes you before you try asking it to do anything it might object to. Thwacking one with a stick when it decides it wants to snooze or because it's in the way is [[KillItWithFire categorically]] ''[[ManOnFire not]]'' [[TooDumbToLive recommended]]. No more than walking up to one who doesn't know you, let alone accept you, and acting overly chummy is, even if you definitely have the right bloodline -- more than one Targaryen and Valeryon princeling found this out over the years. [[FoodAsBribe Possitive]] [[BondCreatures reinforcement]], yay!
23rd Dec '16 1:08:16 AM Euodiachloris
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\n** Actual mules, donkeys and hill ponies (moor-, Shetland- or Icelandic pony analogues) also show up. Although not widely deemed as impressive as a warhorse, let alone a dragon, they are ''essential'' if you want to get around the wilder parts of the Seven Kingdoms in anything like decent time. For climbing up to the Eyrie or trekking near the Wall, you need reliable, hardy stubborness that can just keep on ticking on even dodgy forage. As Stannis finds out when he tries ploughing Southern-bred slabs of hay-guzzling muscle through autumn snow.

21st Oct '16 5:02:34 AM Euodiachloris
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the rather intelligent "mules" wear [[OurDragonsAreDifferent scales and breathe fire]]. The key to Valyrian-brand dragon-riding seems rather geared towards making bloody sure the individual dragon both knows you and really, ''really'' likes you before you try asking it to do anything it might object to. Thwacking one with a stick when it decides it wants to snooze or because it's in the way is categorically ''not'' recommended. No more than walking up to one who doesn't know you and acting chummy is, even if you have the right bloodline -- more than one princeling found this out over the years. [[FoodAsBribe Possitive]] [[BondCreatures reinforcement]], yay!


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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the rather intelligent "mules" wear [[OurDragonsAreDifferent scales and breathe fire]]. The key to Valyrian-brand dragon-riding seems rather geared towards making bloody sure the individual dragon both knows you and really, ''really'' likes you before you try asking it to do anything it might object to. Thwacking one with a stick when it decides it wants to snooze or because it's in the way is categorically ''not'' recommended. [[KillItWithFire categorically]] ''[[ManOnFire not]]'' [[TooDumbToLive recommended]]. No more than walking up to one who doesn't know you you, let alone accept you, and acting overly chummy is, even if you definitely have the right bloodline -- more than one Targaryen and Valeryon princeling found this out over the years. [[FoodAsBribe Possitive]] [[BondCreatures reinforcement]], yay!

10th Aug '16 12:01:44 AM Euodiachloris
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\n* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the rather intelligent "mules" wear [[OurDragonsAreDifferent scales and breathe fire]]. The key to Valyrian-brand dragon-riding seems rather geared towards making bloody sure the individual dragon both knows you and really, ''really'' likes you before you try asking it to do anything it might object to. Thwacking one with a stick when it decides it wants to snooze or because it's in the way is categorically ''not'' recommended. No more than walking up to one who doesn't know you and acting chummy is, even if you have the right bloodline -- more than one princeling found this out over the years. [[FoodAsBribe Possitive]] [[BondCreatures reinforcement]], yay!

5th Jul '16 5:13:08 PM nombretomado
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* The [[AmericanPoliticalSystem American Democratic Party]] has a donkey for a symbol. This is sometimes said to originate--like so many American political terms--with an insult: namely, calling Democrats "jackasses" because they supported [[AndrewJackson Andrew]] '''[[AndrewJackson Jack]]'''[[AndrewJackson son]]. However, the link between the Dems and the donkey was cemented by [[PoliticalCartoon political cartoonist]] Thomas Nast in the late 19th century, who drew the Democrats as a donkey stubbornly but futilely kicking the Republican elephant (itself chosen to represent the GOP's domination over [[TheGildedAge Gilded Age]] politics). Democrats continue to emphasize the use of the donkey as a representation of stubbornness...although today, the ''reason'' for the donkey's stubbornness (intelligence) is also emphasized.

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* The [[AmericanPoliticalSystem American Democratic Party]] has a donkey for a symbol. This is sometimes said to originate--like so many American political terms--with an insult: namely, calling Democrats "jackasses" because they supported [[AndrewJackson [[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson Andrew]] '''[[AndrewJackson Jack]]'''[[AndrewJackson '''[[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson Jack]]'''[[UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson son]]. However, the link between the Dems and the donkey was cemented by [[PoliticalCartoon political cartoonist]] Thomas Nast in the late 19th century, who drew the Democrats as a donkey stubbornly but futilely kicking the Republican elephant (itself chosen to represent the GOP's domination over [[TheGildedAge Gilded Age]] politics). Democrats continue to emphasize the use of the donkey as a representation of stubbornness...although today, the ''reason'' for the donkey's stubbornness (intelligence) is also emphasized.
27th Jun '16 2:56:10 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''AnimalFarm'': Benjamin the donkey is never taken in for a moment by the pigs' false promises of Utopia, and refuses to undertake extra labor for it as some of the more idealistic animals do.
* Invoked in MercedesLackey's ''The Fairy Godmother'', the first of her ''Literature/TalesOfTheFiveHundredKingdoms'' series. A stubborn prince who behaves like an ass finds himself [[InvoluntaryTransformation transformed into one]]. His asinine behavior persists for some time until he loses some of his pride and subsequently reforms.

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* ''AnimalFarm'': ''Literature/AnimalFarm'': Benjamin the donkey is never taken in for a moment by the pigs' false promises of Utopia, and refuses to undertake extra labor for it as some of the more idealistic animals do.
* Invoked in MercedesLackey's Creator/MercedesLackey's ''The Fairy Godmother'', the first of her ''Literature/TalesOfTheFiveHundredKingdoms'' series. A stubborn prince who behaves like an ass finds himself [[InvoluntaryTransformation transformed into one]]. His asinine behavior persists for some time until he loses some of his pride and subsequently reforms.
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