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If any explanation is given at all, this is usually {{handwave}}d as the character having simply [[HoldingBackThePhlebotinum held everything back up until this point]], [[YouNeverAsked never mind all the dangerous, possibly near-death encounters they've most likely been through up until this point that could've really used something like this]].

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If any explanation is given at all, this is usually {{handwave}}d as the character having simply [[HoldingBackThePhlebotinum held everything back up until this point]], [[YouNeverAsked [[YouDidntAsk never mind all the dangerous, possibly near-death encounters they've most likely been through up until this point that could've really used something like this]].



* Asuka's Evangelion Unit-02 from ''[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion The End of Evangelion]]'' is only armed with a short knife and limited energy supply because of the damaged power cord, yet she manages to disarm nine mass-produced Evangelions - each with the ability to fly, and each armed with a massive greatsword [[spoiler:that can turn into a replica Lance of Longinus and ignore any AT Field]] - with only 20 seconds for each. Prior to that, she has already wiped out a small army of a battleships, several tank battalions, a couple of artillery brigades, a few more VTOL gunships, and tanking an N2 Missile. [[spoiler:Then subverted, as the mass-produced Evas regenerate and gang up on the downed Unit-02]].

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* Asuka's Evangelion Unit-02 from ''[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion The End of Evangelion]]'' is only armed with a short knife and limited energy supply because of the damaged power cord, yet she manages to disarm nine mass-produced Evangelions - each with the ability to fly, and each armed with a massive greatsword [[spoiler:that can turn into a replica Lance of Longinus and ignore any AT Field]] - with only 20 seconds for each. Prior to that, she has already wiped out a small army of a battleships, several tank battalions, a couple of artillery brigades, a few more VTOL gunships, and tanking an N2 Missile. [[spoiler:Then subverted, as the mass-produced Evas regenerate and gang up on the downed Unit-02]].Unit-02.]]



** Goku directly invoked this trope in the Buu Saga, using up the rest of his time on Earth to force himself to a ridiculously high PowerLevel and [[YouShallNotPass hold off the villain long enough for Trunks to escape]].[[note]]Notable in that this is the closest a dead guy can come to a HeroicSacrifice[[/note]]

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** Goku directly invoked this trope in the Buu Saga, using up the rest of his time on Earth to force himself to a ridiculously high PowerLevel {{power level|s}} and [[YouShallNotPass hold off the villain long enough for Trunks to escape]].[[note]]Notable in that this is the closest a dead guy can come to a HeroicSacrifice[[/note]]



** In the end, it seems that every other story arc gives a different explanation for why Ichigo can't access his full power. First it was just because he hadn't been formally trained, and didn't know how to control his spiritual power. Then it was said that if he isn't taking the fight seriously enough and isn't completely focused on winning his powers suffer. Next, [[spoiler: his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society.]] And finally, [[spoiler: it turns out that "Zangetsu" is actually his Quincy powers, and that he was suppressing his shinigami abilities because he originally didn't want him to become one]]. One starts to sense a touch of desperation in making sure that Ichigo isn't so powerful as to completely destroy the plot.

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** In the end, it seems that every other story arc gives a different explanation for why Ichigo can't access his full power. First it was just because he hadn't been formally trained, and didn't know how to control his spiritual power. Then it was said that if he isn't taking the fight seriously enough and isn't completely focused on winning his powers suffer. Next, [[spoiler: his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society.]] Society]]. And finally, [[spoiler: it turns out that "Zangetsu" is actually his Quincy powers, and that he was suppressing his shinigami abilities because he originally didn't want him to become one]]. One starts to sense a touch of desperation in making sure that Ichigo isn't so powerful as to completely destroy the plot.



* [[Manga/{{Kekkaishi}} Yoshimori Sumimura]] works two ways: either everyone's praising him for being way stronger than he should be because he took out a tough opponent; or he's getting lambasted for letting a weak opponent walk all over him. The way he fights tends to be ludicrously inefficient against weaker opponents, though, which provides a legitimate flaw for somebody who's WeakButSkilled to exploit.

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* [[Manga/{{Kekkaishi}} ''Manga/{{Kekkaishi}}'': Yoshimori Sumimura]] Sumimura works two ways: either everyone's praising him for being way stronger than he should be because he took out a tough opponent; or he's getting lambasted for letting a weak opponent walk all over him. The way he fights tends to be ludicrously inefficient against weaker opponents, though, which provides a legitimate flaw for somebody who's WeakButSkilled to exploit.



** That would mean Superman's enemies as fall under this, so he doesn't one hit KO them, or vice versa.

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** That would mean Superman's enemies as also fall under this, so he doesn't one hit KO them, or vice versa.



*** In the ''Justice League Unlimited'' series finale, this is explained by saying that Superman always holds back when using his powers, because he "live[s] in a [[WorldOfCardboardSpeech world made of cardboard]]" and is always afraid that, if he loses control, someone might get killed. "But you can take it, can't you, big man?" He then proceeds to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome slam Darkseid through a half-dozen]] ([[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding deserted]]) [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome skyscrapers with a single punch.]][[spoiler: He still loses in the end, but not because of Darkseid's fighting prowess; he completely outclasses Darkseid and is curb-stomping him until Darkseid brings out a secret weapon that causes extreme psychological pain and uses it against Supes. Darkseid's face afterwards clearly reflects that if he had brought out the pain weapon even a few seconds later...]]

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*** In the ''Justice League Unlimited'' series finale, this is explained by saying that Superman always holds back when using his powers, because he "live[s] in a [[WorldOfCardboardSpeech world made of cardboard]]" and is always afraid that, if he loses control, someone might get killed. "But you can take it, can't you, big man?" He then proceeds to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[Awesome/JusticeLeague slam Darkseid through a half-dozen]] ([[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding deserted]]) [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[Awesome/JusticeLeague skyscrapers with a single punch.]][[spoiler: He still loses in the end, but not because of Darkseid's fighting prowess; he completely outclasses Darkseid and is curb-stomping him until Darkseid brings out a secret weapon that causes extreme psychological pain and uses it against Supes. Darkseid's face afterwards clearly reflects that if he had brought out the pain weapon even a few seconds later...]]



* ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk's level of physical might and durability varies tremendously. This one, however, has a built-in explanation: Hulk's physical might--and in [[Film/{{Hulk}} the 2003 movie]], his physical mass and size--is directly related to how angry he gets. Hence the CatchPhrase "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." For example, Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} has fought him several times--most of the time to a standstill until he manages to get one good cut in and piss the Hulk off enough that his anger really flares up. At the same time, during the ComicBook/{{Onslaught}} [[CrisisCrossover event]], in the last battle with the titular villain, Jean Grey mentally removed any blocks Banner may have had to restrain himself, and he beat the hell out of the physical form of a being that could [[RealityWarper alter reality with a thought]]. In short: hope your first punch knocks him out. Similarly to Darwin below, in one story Hulk developed the ability to breathe in space by getting angry enough.

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* ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk's The ComicBook/IncredibleHulk's level of physical might and durability varies tremendously. This one, however, has a built-in explanation: Hulk's physical might--and in [[Film/{{Hulk}} the 2003 movie]], his physical mass and size--is directly related to how angry he gets. Hence the CatchPhrase "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." For example, Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} has fought him several times--most of the time to a standstill until he manages to get one good cut in and piss the Hulk off enough that his anger really flares up. At the same time, during the ComicBook/{{Onslaught}} [[CrisisCrossover event]], in the last battle with the titular villain, Jean Grey Comicbook/JeanGrey mentally removed any blocks Banner may have had to restrain himself, and he beat the hell out of the physical form of a being that could [[RealityWarper alter reality with a thought]]. In short: hope your first punch knocks him out. Similarly to Darwin below, in one story Hulk developed the ability to breathe in space by getting angry enough.



*** This can be seen as a case of DontThinkFeel. When he allows his spider sense to guide him, he can dance around enemies. When he tries to focus on what is causing it, his reaction speed decreases. Interestingly, one side story showed that his spider sense is always going off a little bit because of all the random dangers around us that we don't notice. Except when he is freefalling while webswinging.
* [[ComicBook/FantasticFour The Thing]] is another character whose strength has actual limits and there are some foes that he simply cannot overpower. Although we pretty much have to be ''told'' this for this to be true; at one point he was even asked point blank how strong he was and his answer was "STRONG ENOUGH!"
** That said, he does have one long-standing solid limitation: he's not as strong as the Hulk.
* Peter David pretty much stated this trope when responding to comments of his writing of ComicBook/SheHulk. Fanboys were quibbling about She-Hulk's power level under PAD's run and he said she'd be as strong as the story required - as the story was more important than the stats.

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*** This can be seen as a case of DontThinkFeel. DontThinkFeel When he allows his spider sense to guide him, he can dance around enemies. When he tries to focus on what is causing it, his reaction speed decreases. Interestingly, one side story showed that his spider sense is always going off a little bit because of all the random dangers around us that we don't notice. Except when he is freefalling while webswinging.
* [[ComicBook/FantasticFour The Thing]] is another character whose strength has actual limits and there are some foes that he simply cannot overpower. Although we pretty much have to be ''told'' this for this to be true; at one point he was even asked point blank how strong he was and his answer was "STRONG ENOUGH!"
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ENOUGH!" That said, he does have one long-standing solid limitation: he's not as strong as the Hulk.
* Peter David Creator/PeterDavid pretty much stated this trope when responding to comments of his writing of ComicBook/SheHulk. Fanboys were quibbling about She-Hulk's power level under PAD's run and he said she'd be as strong as the story required - as the story was more important than the stats.



* Creator/{{Christopher Priest|Comics}} mentioned this when writing ComicBook/BlackPanther's solo series. DependingOnTheWriter, Panther can hold his own against the entire ComicBook/FantasticFour and even trade blows with the Thing, or be overpowered and beaten unconscious by random muggers and {{Mook}}s. What makes it worse is that the Black Panther's costume is lined with vibranium (the same stuff Captain America's shield is made of), which means he should be able to shrug off blows that would wound or knock out a normal man.

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* Creator/{{Christopher Priest|Comics}} mentioned this when writing ComicBook/BlackPanther's solo series. DependingOnTheWriter, Panther can hold his own against the entire ComicBook/FantasticFour and even trade blows with the Thing, or be overpowered and beaten unconscious by random muggers and {{Mook}}s.{{Mooks}}. What makes it worse is that the Black Panther's costume is lined with vibranium (the same stuff Captain America's shield is made of), which means he should be able to shrug off blows that would wound or knock out a normal man.



* The Joker's fighting skills fluctuate wildly. Sometimes, he's an excellent fighter who can actually defeat Batman in a straight-up fight, whereas most writers prefer to present him as so weak that he can be knocked out cold with one punch.

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* The Joker's ComicBook/TheJoker's fighting skills fluctuate wildly. Sometimes, he's an excellent fighter who can actually defeat Batman in a straight-up fight, whereas most writers prefer to present him as so weak that he can be knocked out cold with one punch.



* ''COmicBook/TheFlash'': All the Flashes don't seem to use their speed as much as they can. For example, Wally West once emptied the city of Chongjin, North Korea, which has 532,000 people, by carrying every citizen out of the borders in a few milliseconds. This indicates that he is trillions of times faster than light. However, occasionally he get hit by enemies much slower then him, for example, ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} infamously stabbed him in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.

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* ''COmicBook/TheFlash'': ''Franchise/TheFlash'': All the Flashes don't seem to use their speed as much as they can. For example, Wally West once emptied the city of Chongjin, North Korea, which has 532,000 people, by carrying every citizen out of the borders in a few milliseconds. This indicates that he is trillions of times faster than light. However, occasionally he get hit by enemies much slower then him, for example, ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} infamously stabbed him in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.



* In ''Film/{{Push}}'', Nick starts out unable even to fix a roll of the dice, and ends up [[spoiler:kicking Victor's well-trained and highly experienced ass, even though Victor was shown earlier literally mopping the floor with Nick... and the ceiling, too. Similarly, during the fight he lost, Nick is shown deflecting a bullet, a trick he had not practiced or even seen until just moments before.]] All this with no training, and with very little practice, apparently only because It Was Time For Him To Win.
** Also, [[spoiler:during the final confrontation, Agent Carver clearly pushes Nick mentally ("WHERE WERE WE?!")... but instead of jumping, as he was presumably pushed to do, Nick turns around and tele-punches Carver.]] How did he do this? No one, before or after that moment, was ever shown as able to [[spoiler:resist a push]].

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* In ''Film/{{Push}}'', Nick starts out unable even to fix a roll of the dice, and ends up [[spoiler:kicking Victor's well-trained and highly experienced ass, even though Victor was shown earlier literally mopping the floor with Nick... and the ceiling, too. Similarly, during the fight he lost, Nick is shown deflecting a bullet, a trick he had not practiced or even seen until just moments before.]] before]]. All this with no training, and with very little practice, apparently only because It Was Time For Him To Win.
** Also, [[spoiler:during the final confrontation, Agent Carver clearly pushes Nick mentally ("WHERE WERE WE?!")... but instead of jumping, as he was presumably pushed to do, Nick turns around and tele-punches Carver.]] Carver]]. How did he do this? No one, before or after that moment, was ever shown as able to [[spoiler:resist a push]].



* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'': Kratos has this all the time. It's particularly notable in the second game when the Colossus of Rhodes stamps on him, and he ''tosses it away''. But there's a wall in the way? Must go all the way around this convoluted route rather than just, I don't know, knock a hole in it. Or in the first game, when your method of getting through a gate with thin bars that something else already ripped a hole in is to push over a 60 foot high statue.

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* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'': ''VideoGame/{{God of War|Series}}'': Kratos has this all the time. It's particularly notable in the second game when the Colossus of Rhodes stamps on him, and he ''tosses it away''. But there's a wall in the way? Must go all the way around this convoluted route rather than just, I don't know, knock a hole in it. Or in the first game, when your method of getting through a gate with thin bars that something else already ripped a hole in is to push over a 60 foot high statue.



** Actually, it was explained why George couldn't use his powers against Mynd; Mynd was able to just absorb the electricity. There's also the fact he appears to have a limit on how often he can use his powers (his MP- er, Weapon Energy). And by accident? He destroyed that castle because he was pissed that he had been hung up from the ceiling for months and could have done something about it, but he couldn't because he [[ForgotAboutMyPowers forgot he could]].

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** Actually, it was explained why George couldn't use his powers against Mynd; Mynd was able to just absorb the electricity. There's also the fact he appears to have a limit on how often he can use his powers (his MP- er, Weapon Energy). And by accident? He destroyed that castle because he was pissed that he had been hung up from the ceiling for months and could have done something about it, but he couldn't because he [[ForgotAboutMyPowers [[ForgotAboutHisPowers forgot he could]].



* Webcomic/{{Nodwick}}'s muscle strength is just enough to carry [[http://comic.nodwick.com/?comic=2002-06-13 whatever load he is asked to move]] but is not suggested to have super strength.

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* Webcomic/{{Nodwick}}'s ComicStrip/{{Nodwick}}'s muscle strength is just enough to carry [[http://comic.nodwick.com/?comic=2002-06-13 whatever load he is asked to move]] but is not suggested to have super strength.



* In WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory mentions that the reason why Creator/BruceLee isn't strong is that he's defeated by a small and inanimate aspirin.

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* In WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory mentions that the reason why Creator/BruceLee isn't strong is that he's defeated by a small and inanimate aspirin.



** Starfire is pretty bad about this trope. She can survive extreme environments when the plot calls for it, and be totally helpless when it doesn't. In one episode, Starfire winds up wandering around frozen tundra, apparently in danger of freezing to death. Given her super speed and flight abilities, there was nothing in that episode stopping her from flying out of the area, or back to Titans Tower to get proper equipment if things get too hairy. The weirdest part is that Starfire has been shown to be able to comfortably survive in the vacuum of space several times. Then too there might be an explanation for both her (and Raven's) powers in that they're emotion based, which means that theoretically, a villain could defeat Starfire by getting her depressed enough. But the strangest would have to be in 'Haunted' where Robin(HUMAN!) manages to "hurt" her just by grabbing her arms?! Granted at that moment she is really shocked and confused at the way Robin was acting. But this is an alien that took a blast to her face in 'Troq' where she was also visibly upset at being discriminated by Val-Yor.

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** Starfire Comicbook/{{Starfire}} is pretty bad about this trope. She can survive extreme environments when the plot calls for it, and be totally helpless when it doesn't. In one episode, Starfire winds up wandering around frozen tundra, apparently in danger of freezing to death. Given her super speed and flight abilities, there was nothing in that episode stopping her from flying out of the area, or back to Titans Tower to get proper equipment if things get too hairy. The weirdest part is that Starfire has been shown to be able to comfortably survive in the vacuum of space several times. Then too there might be an explanation for both her (and Raven's) powers in that they're emotion based, which means that theoretically, a villain could defeat Starfire by getting her depressed enough. But the strangest would have to be in 'Haunted' where Robin(HUMAN!) manages to "hurt" her just by grabbing her arms?! Granted at that moment she is really shocked and confused at the way Robin was acting. But this is an alien that took a blast to her face in 'Troq' where she was also visibly upset at being discriminated by Val-Yor.



* WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants has this bad. At times he can barely lift stuffed animals or a ''straw'' by himself, while at other times he can tear a mailbox out of the ground. There's also his skills with karate; at times he can equal Sandy and even beat her, while at other times he's incompetent to the point where Sandy literally kicks him around like a football.

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* WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants has this bad. At times he can barely lift stuffed animals or a ''straw'' by himself, while at other times he can tear a mailbox out of the ground. There's also his skills with karate; at times he can equal Sandy and even beat her, while at other times he's incompetent to the point where Sandy literally kicks him around like a football.



* As noted above, Gladiator powers are based on his confidence and his appearances during Phoenix Saga in ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' really shows it. At his first appearance he simply ''ignores'' Juggernaut punching him and then threw him to the ocean with one hand. Later, feeling conflicted about fighting Rogue against his [[WouldntHitAGirl personal code]] allows her to knock him out with one punch.
** Also, how invulnerable is Rogue? Sometimes the same blast that sends Scott or Jean flying but doesn't put them out of the fight has a similar effect on her, sometimes having a ''building'' dropped on her is less than a mosquito bite. This during her FlyingBrick days with Comicbook/MsMarvel's powers permanently absorbed.

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* As noted above, Gladiator powers are based on his confidence and his appearances during Phoenix Saga in ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' really shows it. At his first appearance he simply ''ignores'' Juggernaut punching him and then threw him to the ocean with one hand. Later, feeling conflicted about fighting Rogue ComicBook/{{Rogue}} against his [[WouldntHitAGirl personal code]] allows her to knock him out with one punch.
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punch. Also, how invulnerable is Rogue? Sometimes the same blast that sends Scott or Jean flying but doesn't put them out of the fight has a similar effect on her, sometimes having a ''building'' dropped on her is less than a mosquito bite. This during her FlyingBrick days with Comicbook/MsMarvel's powers permanently absorbed.
13th May '16 3:26:48 PM hamza678
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* ''Webanimation/HomestarRunner'' 's Strong Bad has this bad, so much that the wiki has [[http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Strong_Bad's_Strength an article about it]]. He can easily carry out the 42 pound Lappy 486, and kick the 18-pound Cheat, but has trouble with doing a single push up.

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* ''Webanimation/HomestarRunner'' 's Strong Bad has this bad, so much that the wiki has [[http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Strong_Bad's_Strength an article about it]]. bad. He can easily carry out the 42 pound Lappy 486, and kick the the 18-pound Cheat, but has trouble with doing a single push up.
13th May '16 3:24:02 PM hamza678
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* In WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory mentions that the reason why Creator-BruceLee isn't strong is that he's defeated by a small and inanimate aspirin.

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* In WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory mentions that the reason why Creator-BruceLee Creator/BruceLee isn't strong is that he's defeated by a small and inanimate aspirin.aspirin.
* ''Webanimation/HomestarRunner'' 's Strong Bad has this bad, so much that the wiki has [[http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Strong_Bad's_Strength an article about it]]. He can easily carry out the 42 pound Lappy 486, and kick the 18-pound Cheat, but has trouble with doing a single push up.
13th May '16 1:58:44 PM looneynightmare
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* In ''Film/{{Bloodsport}}'' Shingo the son of Frank Dux's mentor Senzo is younger than Frank and he beats him up effortlessly when they first meet when he is a young teen trying to steal Senzo's sword, however later he is shown having trouble fighting an overweight bully who beats him despite not using any martial arts against him.
18th Mar '16 6:18:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* This is actually the ability of David in ''Film/{{Unbreakable}}'' where he is as physically strong as he needs to be. In one scene he tests his limits by bench-pressing. He strains with the initial weight, but no matter how much weight he adds, he's still able to lift it.

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* This is actually the ability of David in ''Film/{{Unbreakable}}'' where he is as physically strong as he needs to be. In one scene he tests his limits by bench-pressing. He strains with the initial weight, but no matter how much weight he adds, he's still able to lift it. In an alternate scene he does the same thing in the football club's gym, where David, a fit but not particularly muscular guy, lifts around ''500 pounds''.
5th Mar '16 10:48:15 PM nombretomado
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** The ultimate expression of this was when he was attacked by Firelord. Panicking, dodging, and running for his life, he sees the Herald of Galactus survive everything he can throw at him unharmed, up to and including an exploding gas station. But when two kids nearly get killed by his uncaring foe, Spidey loses his cool - and proceeds to pound Firelord into the pavement, punctuating every barrage of fists with statements on the order of "Hey, you don't attack kids!" It takes the arrival of CaptainAmerica and Comicbook/TheAvengers to snap him out, by which time Firelord is flat on his back, eyes crossed, and dazed for quite a while. Just to elaborate, this is a being on a power level roughly equal to Thor or the Silver Surfer, and leagues above the power level of Spidey or any of his usual foes.

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** The ultimate expression of this was when he was attacked by Firelord. Panicking, dodging, and running for his life, he sees the Herald of Galactus survive everything he can throw at him unharmed, up to and including an exploding gas station. But when two kids nearly get killed by his uncaring foe, Spidey loses his cool - and proceeds to pound Firelord into the pavement, punctuating every barrage of fists with statements on the order of "Hey, you don't attack kids!" It takes the arrival of CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and Comicbook/TheAvengers to snap him out, by which time Firelord is flat on his back, eyes crossed, and dazed for quite a while. Just to elaborate, this is a being on a power level roughly equal to Thor or the Silver Surfer, and leagues above the power level of Spidey or any of his usual foes.
26th Feb '16 6:21:48 PM hamza678
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. In "Dipper Vs Manliness" Dipper is skilled enough to go through the Manotaur's TrainingThroughHell and beat the Multibear, a giant monstrous bear. However, in the later episode "Fight Fighters", he is shown to fear losing to Robbie, a normal teenager.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. In "Dipper Vs Manliness" Dipper is skilled enough to go through the Manotaur's TrainingThroughHell TrainingFromHell and beat the Multibear, a giant monstrous bear. However, in the later episode "Fight Fighters", he is shown to fear losing to Robbie, a normal teenager.
26th Feb '16 5:46:04 PM hamza678
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. In "Dipper Vs Manliness" Dipper is skilled enough to go through the Manotaur's TrainingThroughHell and beat the Multibear, a giant monstrous bear. However, in the later episode "Fight Fighters", he is shown to fear losing to Robbie, a normal teenager.
23rd Feb '16 12:27:07 AM Ramona122003
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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'' (particularly ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), this is very common. One character is beaten, and a few moments later (without any chance of training), he is so much stronger that he can beat the guy who has just defeated him without even sweating. This is {{justified|Trope}} for the Saiyans after the first arc with a technique called "Zenkai", basically that "Saiyans get stronger after being put near death". More often than not, a Zenkai gets a Saiyan to equal or slightly exceed the power of the next opponent they face. That opponent then often reveals another form, and beats them again.
** Fusions and Transformations generally make a character strong enough to exceed the biggest threat currently out there. Either their opponent then gets a Transformation, or the protagonist gets handed an IdiotBall, or that's the last fight of an arc.
** The majority of training characters go through is done offscreen or over time, and the end result of it is generally that they gain as much power as needed to be relevant, interesting to watch, or able to stall until Goku or Gohan enters the fight.
** Vegeta, whose Abridged Series counterpart provides the above quote, says this because he didn't see the above mentioned training (and fusion) that Piccolo went through. However, this quote is somewhat hypocritical of him, as this same arc he'd received three Zenkai to keep up with, and then beat, Cui, Zarbon, and Jeice, respectively. He later received ''another'', ''deliberately invoked'' Zenkai by letting Krillin mortally wound him before receiving magical healing, although this didn't exactly succeed in allowing him to keep up with Frieza's final form (although he was closer than any of the others were, save for Goku).

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* *''Manga/DragonBall''
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In ''Manga/DragonBall'' (particularly ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), this is very common. One character is beaten, and a few moments later (without any chance of training), he is so much stronger that he can beat the guy who has just defeated him without even sweating. This is {{justified|Trope}} for the Saiyans after the first arc with a technique called "Zenkai", basically that "Saiyans get stronger after being put near death". More often than not, a Zenkai gets a Saiyan to equal or slightly exceed the power of the next opponent they face. That opponent then often reveals another form, and beats them again.
** Fusions and Transformations transformations generally make a character strong enough to exceed the biggest threat currently out there. Either their opponent then gets a Transformation, or the protagonist gets handed an IdiotBall, transformation, or that's the last fight of an arc.
** The majority of training characters go through is done offscreen or over time, time (at least in the manga), and the end result of it is generally that they gain as much power as needed to be relevant, interesting to watch, or able to stall until Goku or Gohan enters the fight.
** Vegeta, whose Abridged Series counterpart provides the above quote, says this because he didn't see the above mentioned training (and fusion) that Piccolo went through. However, this quote is somewhat hypocritical of him, as this same arc he'd received three Zenkai power boasts to keep up with, and then beat, Cui, Zarbon, and Jeice, respectively. He later received ''another'', ''deliberately invoked'' Zenkai power boast by letting Krillin mortally wound him before receiving magical healing, although this didn't exactly succeed in allowing him to keep up with Frieza's final form (although he was closer than any of the others were, save for Goku).
14th Feb '16 10:51:01 AM NineTailedCat
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** The biggest fluctuation occurs between the RPG games and the platformers. In the platformers, Mario has to depend on BossArenaIdiocy to beat Bowser; in the [=RPGs=], he can beat Bowser with nothing but the clothes on his back.

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** The biggest fluctuation occurs between the RPG games [=RPGs=] and the platformers. In the platformers, Mario has to depend on BossArenaIdiocy to beat Bowser; in the [=RPGs=], he can beat Bowser with nothing but the clothes on his back.
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