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18th Mar '16 6:18:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* This is actually the ability of David in ''Film/{{Unbreakable}}'' where he is as physically strong as he needs to be. In one scene he tests his limits by bench-pressing. He strains with the initial weight, but no matter how much weight he adds, he's still able to lift it.

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* This is actually the ability of David in ''Film/{{Unbreakable}}'' where he is as physically strong as he needs to be. In one scene he tests his limits by bench-pressing. He strains with the initial weight, but no matter how much weight he adds, he's still able to lift it. In an alternate scene he does the same thing in the football club's gym, where David, a fit but not particularly muscular guy, lifts around ''500 pounds''.
5th Mar '16 10:48:15 PM nombretomado
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** The ultimate expression of this was when he was attacked by Firelord. Panicking, dodging, and running for his life, he sees the Herald of Galactus survive everything he can throw at him unharmed, up to and including an exploding gas station. But when two kids nearly get killed by his uncaring foe, Spidey loses his cool - and proceeds to pound Firelord into the pavement, punctuating every barrage of fists with statements on the order of "Hey, you don't attack kids!" It takes the arrival of CaptainAmerica and Comicbook/TheAvengers to snap him out, by which time Firelord is flat on his back, eyes crossed, and dazed for quite a while. Just to elaborate, this is a being on a power level roughly equal to Thor or the Silver Surfer, and leagues above the power level of Spidey or any of his usual foes.

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** The ultimate expression of this was when he was attacked by Firelord. Panicking, dodging, and running for his life, he sees the Herald of Galactus survive everything he can throw at him unharmed, up to and including an exploding gas station. But when two kids nearly get killed by his uncaring foe, Spidey loses his cool - and proceeds to pound Firelord into the pavement, punctuating every barrage of fists with statements on the order of "Hey, you don't attack kids!" It takes the arrival of CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and Comicbook/TheAvengers to snap him out, by which time Firelord is flat on his back, eyes crossed, and dazed for quite a while. Just to elaborate, this is a being on a power level roughly equal to Thor or the Silver Surfer, and leagues above the power level of Spidey or any of his usual foes.
26th Feb '16 6:21:48 PM hamza678
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. In "Dipper Vs Manliness" Dipper is skilled enough to go through the Manotaur's TrainingThroughHell and beat the Multibear, a giant monstrous bear. However, in the later episode "Fight Fighters", he is shown to fear losing to Robbie, a normal teenager.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. In "Dipper Vs Manliness" Dipper is skilled enough to go through the Manotaur's TrainingThroughHell TrainingFromHell and beat the Multibear, a giant monstrous bear. However, in the later episode "Fight Fighters", he is shown to fear losing to Robbie, a normal teenager.
26th Feb '16 5:46:04 PM hamza678
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. In "Dipper Vs Manliness" Dipper is skilled enough to go through the Manotaur's TrainingThroughHell and beat the Multibear, a giant monstrous bear. However, in the later episode "Fight Fighters", he is shown to fear losing to Robbie, a normal teenager.
23rd Feb '16 12:27:07 AM Ramona122003
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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'' (particularly ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), this is very common. One character is beaten, and a few moments later (without any chance of training), he is so much stronger that he can beat the guy who has just defeated him without even sweating. This is {{justified|Trope}} for the Saiyans after the first arc with a technique called "Zenkai", basically that "Saiyans get stronger after being put near death". More often than not, a Zenkai gets a Saiyan to equal or slightly exceed the power of the next opponent they face. That opponent then often reveals another form, and beats them again.
** Fusions and Transformations generally make a character strong enough to exceed the biggest threat currently out there. Either their opponent then gets a Transformation, or the protagonist gets handed an IdiotBall, or that's the last fight of an arc.
** The majority of training characters go through is done offscreen or over time, and the end result of it is generally that they gain as much power as needed to be relevant, interesting to watch, or able to stall until Goku or Gohan enters the fight.
** Vegeta, whose Abridged Series counterpart provides the above quote, says this because he didn't see the above mentioned training (and fusion) that Piccolo went through. However, this quote is somewhat hypocritical of him, as this same arc he'd received three Zenkai to keep up with, and then beat, Cui, Zarbon, and Jeice, respectively. He later received ''another'', ''deliberately invoked'' Zenkai by letting Krillin mortally wound him before receiving magical healing, although this didn't exactly succeed in allowing him to keep up with Frieza's final form (although he was closer than any of the others were, save for Goku).

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In ''Manga/DragonBall'' (particularly ''Anime/DragonBallZ''), this is very common. One character is beaten, and a few moments later (without any chance of training), he is so much stronger that he can beat the guy who has just defeated him without even sweating. This is {{justified|Trope}} for the Saiyans after the first arc with a technique called "Zenkai", basically that "Saiyans get stronger after being put near death". More often than not, a Zenkai gets a Saiyan to equal or slightly exceed the power of the next opponent they face. That opponent then often reveals another form, and beats them again.
** Fusions and Transformations transformations generally make a character strong enough to exceed the biggest threat currently out there. Either their opponent then gets a Transformation, or the protagonist gets handed an IdiotBall, transformation, or that's the last fight of an arc.
** The majority of training characters go through is done offscreen or over time, time (at least in the manga), and the end result of it is generally that they gain as much power as needed to be relevant, interesting to watch, or able to stall until Goku or Gohan enters the fight.
** Vegeta, whose Abridged Series counterpart provides the above quote, says this because he didn't see the above mentioned training (and fusion) that Piccolo went through. However, this quote is somewhat hypocritical of him, as this same arc he'd received three Zenkai power boasts to keep up with, and then beat, Cui, Zarbon, and Jeice, respectively. He later received ''another'', ''deliberately invoked'' Zenkai power boast by letting Krillin mortally wound him before receiving magical healing, although this didn't exactly succeed in allowing him to keep up with Frieza's final form (although he was closer than any of the others were, save for Goku).
14th Feb '16 10:51:01 AM NineTailedCat
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** The biggest fluctuation occurs between the RPG games and the platformers. In the platformers, Mario has to depend on BossArenaIdiocy to beat Bowser; in the [=RPGs=], he can beat Bowser with nothing but the clothes on his back.

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** The biggest fluctuation occurs between the RPG games [=RPGs=] and the platformers. In the platformers, Mario has to depend on BossArenaIdiocy to beat Bowser; in the [=RPGs=], he can beat Bowser with nothing but the clothes on his back.
10th Feb '16 1:04:45 AM rotheryAM
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** That said, he does have one long-standing solid limitation: he's not as strong as the Hulk.
27th Jan '16 4:24:07 PM Piando
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* The ComicBook/IncredibleHulk's level of physical might and durability varies tremendously. This one, however, has a built-in explanation: Hulk's physical might--and in [[Film/{{Hulk}} the 2003 movie]], his physical mass and size--is directly related to how angry he gets. Hence the CatchPhrase "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." For example, Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} has fought him several times--most of the time to a standstill until he manages to get one good cut in and piss the Hulk off enough that his anger really flares up. At the same time, during the ComicBook/{{Onslaught}} [[CrisisCrossover event]], in the last battle with the titular villain, Jean Grey mentally removed any blocks Banner may have had to restrain himself, and he beat the hell out of the physical form of a being that could [[RealityWarper alter reality with a thought]]. In short: hope your first punch knocks him out. Similarly to Darwin below, in one story Hulk developed the ability to breathe in space by getting angry enough.

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* The ComicBook/IncredibleHulk's ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk's level of physical might and durability varies tremendously. This one, however, has a built-in explanation: Hulk's physical might--and in [[Film/{{Hulk}} the 2003 movie]], his physical mass and size--is directly related to how angry he gets. Hence the CatchPhrase "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." For example, Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} has fought him several times--most of the time to a standstill until he manages to get one good cut in and piss the Hulk off enough that his anger really flares up. At the same time, during the ComicBook/{{Onslaught}} [[CrisisCrossover event]], in the last battle with the titular villain, Jean Grey mentally removed any blocks Banner may have had to restrain himself, and he beat the hell out of the physical form of a being that could [[RealityWarper alter reality with a thought]]. In short: hope your first punch knocks him out. Similarly to Darwin below, in one story Hulk developed the ability to breathe in space by getting angry enough.



* {{Wolverine}}'s HealingFactor is a prime example of this. It goes from FromASingleCell to needing some time to heal from a relatively minor attack.

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* {{Wolverine}}'s ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s HealingFactor is a prime example of this. It goes from FromASingleCell to needing some time to heal from a relatively minor attack.



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* The supervillain Lung, from ''Literature/{{Worm}}''. has this as an explicit power. The longer he fights the stronger he becomes, slowly morphing from a man into an enormous unstoppable dragon. Ironically he is taken out by the Hero in the first arc and serves as a StarterVillain, despite the fact that he in the past went toe to toe with the literal bringers of the apocalypse. beings that can sink continents and burn cities from the face of the earth.
* The superheroine Tennyo in the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse''. In the novel "Boston Brawl", she suddenly gained increased regeneration and strength. In her novel "Christmas Crisis" she went all out to save her parents, and pretty much ripped reality apart. And maybe survived a tactical nuke, or else she somehow teleported away. The author hasn't told us yet.
** Chou Lee can be 'filled with the Tao', and according to her author, become strong enough to kill anything.
* WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd example. The nerd is able to beat Jason in a fight, but has trouble beating WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic.
* In WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory mentions that the reason why Bruce Lee isn't strong is that he's defeated by a small and inanimate aspirin.
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* The supervillain Lung, from ''Literature/{{Worm}}''. has this as an explicit power. The longer he fights the stronger he becomes, slowly morphing from a man into an enormous unstoppable dragon. Ironically he is taken out by the Hero in the first arc and serves as a StarterVillain, despite the fact that he in the past went toe to toe with the literal bringers of the apocalypse. beings that can sink continents and burn cities from the face of the earth.
* The superheroine Tennyo in the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse''. In the novel "Boston Brawl", she suddenly gained increased regeneration and strength. In her novel "Christmas Crisis" she went all out to save her parents, and pretty much ripped reality apart. And maybe survived a tactical nuke, or else she somehow teleported away. The author hasn't told us yet.
** Chou Lee can be 'filled with the Tao', and according to her author, become strong enough to kill anything.
* WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd example. The nerd is able to beat Jason in a fight, but has trouble beating WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic.
* In WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory mentions that the reason why Bruce Lee isn't strong is that he's defeated by a small and inanimate aspirin.
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* The supervillain Lung, from ''Literature/{{Worm}}''. has this as an explicit power. The longer he fights the stronger he becomes, slowly morphing from a man into an enormous unstoppable dragon. Ironically he is taken out by the Hero in the first arc and serves as a StarterVillain, despite the fact that he in the past went toe to toe with the literal bringers of the apocalypse. beings that can sink continents and burn cities from the face of the earth.
* The superheroine Tennyo in the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse''. In the novel "Boston Brawl", she suddenly gained increased regeneration and strength. In her novel "Christmas Crisis" she went all out to save her parents, and pretty much ripped reality apart. And maybe survived a tactical nuke, or else she somehow teleported away. The author hasn't told us yet.
** Chou Lee can be 'filled with the Tao', and according to her author, become strong enough to kill anything.
* WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd example. The nerd is able to beat Jason in a fight, but has trouble beating WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic.
* In WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory mentions that the reason why Creator-BruceLee isn't strong is that he's defeated by a small and inanimate aspirin.
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27th Jan '16 2:03:48 PM hamza678
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** The potion's effects and dosage are all over the place. For instance, Obelix gets three drops of magic potion in ''Asterix and Cleopatra'' to boost his strength such that he can pummel his way out of a pyramid, and claims he notices no difference (a later story establishes a dose large enough to work on him would have [[TakenForGranite turned him to stone]]). However, in a later story, a barrel of potion gets spilled into the sea, causing all the fish in the Channel to be superpowered enough to savage the fishermen trying to catch them, even though the concentration must be much, much lower. In ''Asterix and Obelix All At Sea'' the potion is used to restore Asterix from a severely injured state after losing a fight, despite having no technical healing powers. On top of that, the relative effectiveness of larger doses over smaller doses is flipflopped since the plot of ''Asterix and the Olympic Games'' is centred on the fact that everyone who's taken potion becomes equally strong and equally fast, regardless of their real capabilities. Maybe it's homeopathic?

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** The potion's effects and dosage are all over the place. For instance, Obelix gets three drops of magic potion in ''Asterix and Cleopatra'' to boost his strength such that he can pummel his way out of a pyramid, and claims he notices no difference (a later story establishes a dose large enough to work on him would have [[TakenForGranite turned him to stone]]). However, in a later story, a barrel of potion gets spilled into the sea, causing all the fish in the Channel to be superpowered enough to savage the fishermen trying to catch them, even though the concentration must be much, much lower. In ''Asterix and Obelix All At Sea'' the potion is used to restore Asterix from a severely injured state after losing a fight, despite having no technical healing powers. On top of that, the relative effectiveness of larger doses over smaller doses is flipflopped since the plot of ''Asterix and the Olympic Games'' is centred centered on the fact that everyone who's taken potion becomes equally strong and equally fast, regardless of their real capabilities. Maybe it's homeopathic?



* ''COmicBook/TheFlash'': All the Flashes don't seem to use their speed as much as they can. For example, Wally West once emptied the city of Chongjin, North Korea, which has 532,000 people, by carrying every citizen out of the borders in a few milliseconds. This indicates that he is trillions of times faster than light. However, occasionally he get hit by enemies much slower then him, for example, ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} infamously stabbed him in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.



* [[TheDragon Ser Cauthrien]] in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' is a boss example. Despite being an experienced soldier and undeniably a BadassNormal, she somehow has almost as much health as a fifty foot tall dragon when you first encounter her, in which she's intended to be a HoplessBossFight. In later encounters, she's much more manageable.

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* [[TheDragon Ser Cauthrien]] in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' is a boss example. Despite being an experienced soldier and undeniably a BadassNormal, she somehow has almost as much health as a fifty foot tall dragon when you first encounter her, in which she's intended to be a HoplessBossFight.HopelessBossFight. In later encounters, she's much more manageable.
17th Jan '16 4:32:07 AM Doug86
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* The Amazons from ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', when Franchise/WonderWoman's people invaded the United States seemed to fluctuate wildly in their power. In one scene they're giving Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} and WonderGirl a hard time, then Superman shows up and trounces them effortlessly, then they're taking down fighter jets with [[RockBeatsLaser flying horses and spears]], Batman can beat them in a straight up fight, they can invade Washington DC and the army can't do a thing to stop them, then they get shot down by soldiers. They're not ImmuneToBullets, and they beat the US army with spears and giant bees [[note]] Stygian Killer Hornets, thank you... [[MemeticMutation Bees. My God]][[/note]]!?

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* The Amazons from ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', when Franchise/WonderWoman's people invaded the United States seemed to fluctuate wildly in their power. In one scene they're giving Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} and WonderGirl ComicBook/WonderGirl a hard time, then Superman shows up and trounces them effortlessly, then they're taking down fighter jets with [[RockBeatsLaser flying horses and spears]], Batman can beat them in a straight up fight, they can invade Washington DC and the army can't do a thing to stop them, then they get shot down by soldiers. They're not ImmuneToBullets, and they beat the US army with spears and giant bees [[note]] Stygian Killer Hornets, thank you... [[MemeticMutation Bees. My God]][[/note]]!?
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