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9th Jul '17 5:34:40 PM justanid
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Often a result of the writers letting the RuleOfCool take over. Compare with IAmNotLeftHanded, OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow, and NewPowersAsThePlotDemands. Can overlap with CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass, and PowerCreepPowerSeep, and BerserkButton. If called upon to {{Handwave}} or [[LampshadeHanging put a lampshade]] on this, the character might give a WorldOfCardboardSpeech. Contrast DramaPreservingHandicap. For the phenomenon of "As Big As They Need To Be", see ArtistsAreNotArchitects, YourSizeMayVary, and TelescopingRobot.

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Often a result of the writers letting the RuleOfCool take over. Compare with IAmNotLeftHanded, OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow, and NewPowersAsThePlotDemands. Can overlap with CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass, and PowerCreepPowerSeep, and BerserkButton. If called upon to {{Handwave}} or [[LampshadeHanging put a lampshade]] on this, the character might give a WorldOfCardboardSpeech. WorldOfCardboardSpeech.

Can overlap with BerserkButton, CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass, and PowerCreepPowerSeep. Compare with IAmNotLeftHanded, ImaginationBasedSuperpower, NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, and OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow.
Contrast DramaPreservingHandicap. DramaPreservingHandicap.

For the phenomenon of "As Big As They Need To Be", see ArtistsAreNotArchitects, YourSizeMayVary, and TelescopingRobot.
19th Jun '17 8:41:59 AM Austin
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** The story slowly develops the idea that Ichigo's power is inconsistent because it's linked to his resolve to win. Villains exploit this by attacking his self-confidence through carefully chosen truth-bombs regarding family or friends. Eventually realising this, he verbally chews out the Lost Substitute ArcVillain for attempting it. The real reason for his power fluctuation is revealed during a confrontation between Ichigo and his [[TalkingWeapon zanpakutou spirit]], Old Man Zangetsu. [[spoiler:Old Man Zangetsu is Ichigo's Quincy power masquerading as his Shinigami power, reducing the real Shinigami power (the Inner Hollow) to a [[BattleInTheCentreOfTheMind training tool]] that gives Ichigo just enough power to survive. The truth enables Ichigo to accept both spirits as his weapon, stabilising his power in time to confront the story's final BigBad.]]

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** The story slowly develops the idea It seems that every arc gives a separate explanation for why Ichigo's power is inconsistent inconsistent. Originally, it was said that he couldn't control his power because he hadn't been properly trained. Later on, it's said that his power levels are linked to his resolve to win. Villains Once he had better learned to control his power, villains learned to exploit this his fluctuating resolve by attacking beating down his self-confidence through by demonstrating their greater power or revealing a few carefully chosen truth-bombs regarding truths about his friends or family or friends. Eventually realising this, that he didn't know. Eventually, he caught on to this tactic and verbally chews chewed out the Lost Substitute ArcVillain for attempting next villain who tried it. The Then in the "Lost Substitute" arc, [[spoiler: it's revealed his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society.]. And finally, [[spoiler: the final arc claims that the real reason for his power fluctuation fluctuated so much is revealed during a confrontation between Ichigo and because his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon zanpakutou spirit]], Old Man Zangetsu. [[spoiler:Old Man Zangetsu is Ichigo's Zangetsu]], was actually his Quincy power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power, reducing the real power and only permitting him to access just enough to survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo learned that his true Shinigami power (the was the Inner Hollow) to a [[BattleInTheCentreOfTheMind training tool]] Hollow that gives Ichigo just enough power to survive. The truth enables Ichigo to accept had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted both spirits as his weapon, stabilising his power in time to confront levels stabilised for the story's final BigBad.BigBad of the story.]]
17th Jun '17 4:17:07 PM Wyldchyld
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** When Kenpachi and Ichigo fight, their spiritual power initially matches. Feeling he lost the fight, [[MoralityPet Yachiru]] tells him they'll grow stronger together, and every fight after this shows that he is indeed stronger. When he comes close to death against Nnoitra, he suddenly powers up enough to defeat Nnoitra after appearing to do nothing more than swing his sword two-handed. It's eventually revealed that Kenpachi gains a power-up every time he's brought to the point of death. [[spoiler:As a child, he was so powerful that when he met his first WorthyOpponent, he was so terrified of killing them and ending his first enjoyable fight that he subconsciously shackled his power. Each brush with death therefore releases more and more of that subconscious power; he eventually achieves the Shikai and Bankai weapon releases other Shinigami take for granted, learning in the process that Yachiru [[LivingWeapon was his weapon]] all along.]]

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** When Kenpachi and Ichigo fight, their spiritual power initially matches. Feeling he lost the fight, [[MoralityPet Yachiru]] tells him Kenpachi they'll grow stronger together, and every fight after this shows that he is indeed stronger. When he comes close to death against Nnoitra, he suddenly powers up enough to defeat Nnoitra after appearing to do nothing more than swing his sword two-handed. It's eventually revealed that Kenpachi gains a power-up every time he's brought to the point of death. [[spoiler:As a child, he was so powerful that when he met his first WorthyOpponent, he was so terrified of killing them and ending his first enjoyable fight that he subconsciously shackled his power. Each brush with death therefore releases more and more of that subconscious power; he eventually achieves the Shikai and Bankai weapon releases other Shinigami take for granted, learning in the process that Yachiru [[LivingWeapon was his weapon]] all along.]]
17th Jun '17 4:14:52 PM Wyldchyld
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** The story slowly develops the idea that Ichigo's power is inconsistent because it's linked to his resolve to win. Villains exploit his by attacking his self-confidence through carefully chosen truth-bombs regarding family or friends. Eventually realising this, he verbally chews out the Lost Substitute ArcVillain for attempting it. The real reason for his power fluctuation is revealed during a confrontation between Ichigo and his [[TalkingWeapon zanpakutou spirit]], Old Man Zangetsu. [[spoiler:Old Man Zangetsu is Ichigo's Quincy power masquerading as his Shinigami power, reducing the real Shinigami power (the Inner Hollow) to a [[BattleInTheCentreOfTheMind training tool]] that gives Ichigo just enough power to survive. The truth enables Ichigo to accept both spirits as his weapon, stabilising his power in time to confront the story's final BigBad.]]

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** The story slowly develops the idea that Ichigo's power is inconsistent because it's linked to his resolve to win. Villains exploit his this by attacking his self-confidence through carefully chosen truth-bombs regarding family or friends. Eventually realising this, he verbally chews out the Lost Substitute ArcVillain for attempting it. The real reason for his power fluctuation is revealed during a confrontation between Ichigo and his [[TalkingWeapon zanpakutou spirit]], Old Man Zangetsu. [[spoiler:Old Man Zangetsu is Ichigo's Quincy power masquerading as his Shinigami power, reducing the real Shinigami power (the Inner Hollow) to a [[BattleInTheCentreOfTheMind training tool]] that gives Ichigo just enough power to survive. The truth enables Ichigo to accept both spirits as his weapon, stabilising his power in time to confront the story's final BigBad.]]
17th Jun '17 4:12:53 PM Wyldchyld
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** The story slowly develops the idea that Ichigo's power is inconsistent because it's linked to his resolve to win. Villains exploit his by attacking his self-confidence through carefully chosen truth-bombs regarding family or friends. Eventually realising this, he verbally chews out the Lost Substitute ArcVillain for attempting it. The real reason for his power fluctuation is revealed during a confrontation between Ichigo and his [[TalkingWeapon zanpakutou spirit]], Old Man Zangetsu. [[spoiler:Old Man Zangetsu is Ichigo's Quincy power masquerading as his Shinigami power, reducing the real Shinigami power (the Inner Hollow) to a [[BattleInTheCentreOfTheMind training tool]] that gives Ichigo just enough power to survive. The truth enables Ichigo to accept both spirits as his weapon, stabilising his power in time to confront the story's final BigBad.]]
** When Kenpachi and Ichigo fight, their spiritual power initially matches. Feeling he lost the fight, [[MoralityPet Yachiru]] tells him they'll grow stronger together, and every fight after this shows that he is indeed stronger. When he comes close to death against Nnoitra, he suddenly powers up enough to defeat Nnoitra after appearing to do nothing more than swing his sword two-handed. It's eventually revealed that Kenpachi gains a power-up every time he's brought to the point of death. [[spoiler:As a child, he was so powerful that when he met his first WorthyOpponent, he was so terrified of killing them and ending his first enjoyable fight that he subconsciously shackled his power. Each brush with death therefore releases more and more of that subconscious power; he eventually achieves the Shikai and Bankai weapon releases other Shinigami take for granted, learning in the process that Yachiru [[LivingWeapon was his weapon]] all along.]]



** Also true for Kenpachi. Ichigo was able to match him in open combat with his reiatsu fully released, and yet for every fight after that Kenpachi displayed more and more strength. Justified in that [[spoiler:he was unconsciously suppressing his own reiatsu. With each fight where he nearly died, he released more and more of his reiatsu]].
** The story slowly develops the idea that Ichigo's power is inconsistent because it's linked to his resolve to win. Villains begin exploiting his fluctuating resolve by attacking his self-confidence by revealing carefully chosen truths about family or friends until he catches on to this and verbally chews out the Lost Substitute ArcVillain for attempting it. The real reason for his power fluctuation is revealed during a confrontation between Ichigo and his [[TalkingWeapon zanpakutou spirit]], Old Man Zangetsu. [[spoiler:Old Man Zangetsu is Ichigo's Quincy power masquerading as his Shinigami power, reducing the real Shinigami power (the Inner Hollow) to a [[BattleInTheCentreOfTheMind training tool]] that gives Ichigo just enough power to survive. The truth enables Ichigo to accept both spirits as his weapon, stabilising his power in time to confront the story's final BigBad.]]
17th Jun '17 4:01:30 PM Wyldchyld
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** It seems that every arc gives a separate explanation for why Ichigo's power is inconsistent. Originally, it was said that he couldn't control his power because he hadn't been properly trained. Later on, it's said that his power levels are linked to his resolve to win. Once he had better learned to control his power, villains learned to exploit his fluctuating resolve by beating down his self-confidence by demonstrating their greater power or revealing a few carefully chosen truths about his friends or family that he didn't know. Eventually, he caught on to this tactic and verbally chewed out the next villain who tried it. Then in the "Lost Substitute" arc, [[spoiler: it's revealed his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society.]. And finally, [[spoiler: the final arc claims that the real reason his power fluctuated so much is because his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon Old Man Zangetsu]], was actually his Quincy power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power and only permitting him to access just enough to survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo learned that his true Shinigami power was the Inner Hollow that had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted both spirits as his weapon, his power levels stabilised for the final BigBad of the story.]]

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** It seems The story slowly develops the idea that every arc gives a separate explanation for why Ichigo's power is inconsistent. Originally, it was said that he couldn't control his power inconsistent because he hadn't been properly trained. Later on, it's said that his power levels are linked to his resolve to win. Once he had better learned to control his power, villains learned to exploit Villains begin exploiting his fluctuating resolve by beating down attacking his self-confidence by demonstrating their greater power or revealing a few carefully chosen truths about his family or friends or family that until he didn't know. Eventually, he caught catches on to this tactic and verbally chewed chews out the next villain who tried Lost Substitute ArcVillain for attempting it. Then in the "Lost Substitute" arc, [[spoiler: it's revealed his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society.]. And finally, [[spoiler: the final arc claims that the The real reason for his power fluctuated so much fluctuation is because revealed during a confrontation between Ichigo and his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon zanpakutou spirit]], Old Man Zangetsu]], was actually his Zangetsu. [[spoiler:Old Man Zangetsu is Ichigo's Quincy power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power and only permitting him to access just enough to survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo learned that his true power, reducing the real Shinigami power was the (the Inner Hollow Hollow) to a [[BattleInTheCentreOfTheMind training tool]] that had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted gives Ichigo just enough power to survive. The truth enables Ichigo to accept both spirits as his weapon, stabilising his power levels stabilised for in time to confront the story's final BigBad of the story.BigBad.]]
5th May '17 12:17:24 PM waters20
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* The titular ''WesternAnimation/JohnnyBravo'' is probably the greatest example of this trope. In spite of his muscular physique, he manages to find himself on the receiving end of a good beating by anyone nearly half the size smaller than him, ''even by children'', which is pretty bizarre considering that he effortlessly wrestled a crocodile in an early episode.
20th Apr '17 6:34:55 AM Austin
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** Ichigo's power levels are linked to his resolve to win. Initially, he didn't know how to control his spiritual power so functioned almost solely on resolve. Once he had learned how to control his power in battle, villains learned to exploit his fluctuating resolve by beating down his self-confidence with truths about the world, his friends, or even his family, that he didn't previously know. Eventually, he caught on to this tactic and verbally chewed out the next villain who tried it. [[spoiler:The real reason his power fluctuated so much is because his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon Old Man Zangetsu]], was actually his Quincy power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power and only permitting him to access just enough to survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo learned that his true Shinigami power was the Inner Hollow that had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted both spirits as his weapon, his power levels stabilised for the final BigBad of the story.]]

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** It seems that every arc gives a separate explanation for why Ichigo's power is inconsistent. Originally, it was said that he couldn't control his power because he hadn't been properly trained. Later on, it's said that his power levels are linked to his resolve to win. Initially, Once he didn't know how had better learned to control his spiritual power so functioned almost solely on resolve. Once he had learned how to control his power in battle, power, villains learned to exploit his fluctuating resolve by beating down his self-confidence with by demonstrating their greater power or revealing a few carefully chosen truths about the world, his friends, friends or even his family, family that he didn't previously know. Eventually, he caught on to this tactic and verbally chewed out the next villain who tried it. [[spoiler:The Then in the "Lost Substitute" arc, [[spoiler: it's revealed his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society.]. And finally, [[spoiler: the final arc claims that the real reason his power fluctuated so much is because his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon Old Man Zangetsu]], was actually his Quincy power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power and only permitting him to access just enough to survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo learned that his true Shinigami power was the Inner Hollow that had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted both spirits as his weapon, his power levels stabilised for the final BigBad of the story.]]
1st Mar '17 5:16:16 PM CyberController
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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it is CastedFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]

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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it is CastedFromHitPoints, CastFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]
1st Mar '17 5:15:59 PM CyberController
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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it CastsFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]

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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it CastsFromHitPoints, is CastedFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]
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