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20th Apr '17 6:34:55 AM Austin
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** Ichigo's power levels are linked to his resolve to win. Initially, he didn't know how to control his spiritual power so functioned almost solely on resolve. Once he had learned how to control his power in battle, villains learned to exploit his fluctuating resolve by beating down his self-confidence with truths about the world, his friends, or even his family, that he didn't previously know. Eventually, he caught on to this tactic and verbally chewed out the next villain who tried it. [[spoiler:The real reason his power fluctuated so much is because his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon Old Man Zangetsu]], was actually his Quincy power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power and only permitting him to access just enough to survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo learned that his true Shinigami power was the Inner Hollow that had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted both spirits as his weapon, his power levels stabilised for the final BigBad of the story.]]

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** It seems that every arc gives a separate explanation for why Ichigo's power is inconsistent. Originally, it was said that he couldn't control his power because he hadn't been properly trained. Later on, it's said that his power levels are linked to his resolve to win. Initially, Once he didn't know how had better learned to control his spiritual power so functioned almost solely on resolve. Once he had learned how to control his power in battle, power, villains learned to exploit his fluctuating resolve by beating down his self-confidence with by demonstrating their greater power or revealing a few carefully chosen truths about the world, his friends, friends or even his family, family that he didn't previously know. Eventually, he caught on to this tactic and verbally chewed out the next villain who tried it. [[spoiler:The Then in the "Lost Substitute" arc, [[spoiler: it's revealed his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society.]. And finally, [[spoiler: the final arc claims that the real reason his power fluctuated so much is because his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon Old Man Zangetsu]], was actually his Quincy power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power and only permitting him to access just enough to survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo learned that his true Shinigami power was the Inner Hollow that had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted both spirits as his weapon, his power levels stabilised for the final BigBad of the story.]]
1st Mar '17 5:16:16 PM CyberController
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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it is CastedFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]

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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it is CastedFromHitPoints, CastFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]
1st Mar '17 5:15:59 PM CyberController
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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it CastsFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]

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* This trope is actually used to describe the power of ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' characters Gotham and Gotham Girl, introduced in the ''Batman'' storyline "I Am Gotham". The brother-sister duo are given powers by Dr. Hugo Strange that fluctuate depending on who they're facing. This is easily shown in the finale when a FaceHeelTurn Gotham is beaten bloody by Batman, yet when the entire Justice League, whose numbers include two Green Lanterns and the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Superman, he tears them apart. The downside of this is that it CastsFromHitPoints, is CastedFromHitPoints, meaning that they're going to die when it's all used up. [[spoiler:Gotham ended up dying earlier as Gotham Girl is forced to put him down.]]
14th Feb '17 1:57:28 PM TimG5
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** [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum]]. One minute he's beating a League champion in a tough battle. The next he's struggling against some also-ran.

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** [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum]]. One minute he's beating he beats a League champion in a tough battle. Champion. The next he's struggling against some also-ran.he loses to an Eevee.
** [[GoldfishPoopGang Team Rocket]] are just as glaring. They lose so often that their rare success [[TropeNamer named]] a [[TeamRocketWins trope]]. But occasionally, they prove to be '''[[NotSoHarmlessVillain scarily competent]]'''...before going back to [[VillainDecay being jokes]]. Case in point. In a recent Pokemon Sun and Moon episode, they more or less ''BEAT'' Ash and all his Pokemon in a fair battle, and the only thing that stopped them from taking Pikachu was [[DeusExMachina Bewear whisking them away again]]. Fast forward a few episodes and they then get wrecked by a newly hatched Vulpix...



** The actual competence and strength of Pokemon is highly dependent on the plot.

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** The actual competence and strength of any Pokemon is highly dependent on the plot.
28th Jan '17 6:49:15 PM Wyldchyld
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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'s'' Ichigo. For a large amount of time during the [[{{Filler}} Bount]] [[{{Anime}} Arc]], Ichigo is unable to use his Bankai, [[AdaptationDecay for very loose reasons]]. Then once he is able to, he still isn't as strong as the last time, despite being immune to the spirit damping effects of the real world.

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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'s'' Ichigo. For a large amount of time during ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
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the [[{{Filler}} Bount]] [[{{Anime}} Arc]], Ichigo is unable to use his Bankai, [[AdaptationDecay for very loose reasons]].[[StatusQuoIsGod to make sure the arc had no impact on the canon story]]. Then once he is able to, he still isn't as strong as the last time, despite being immune to the spirit damping effects of the real world.



** In the end, it seems that every other story arc gives a different explanation for why Ichigo can't access his full power. First it was just because he hadn't been formally trained, and didn't know how to control his spiritual power. Then it was said that if he isn't taking the fight seriously enough and isn't completely focused on winning his powers suffer. Next, [[spoiler: his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society]]. And finally, [[spoiler: it turns out that "Zangetsu" is actually his Quincy powers, and that he was suppressing his shinigami abilities because he originally didn't want him to become one]]. One starts to sense a touch of desperation in making sure that Ichigo isn't so powerful as to completely destroy the plot.

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** In the end, it seems that every other story arc gives a different explanation for why Ichigo can't access Ichigo's power levels are linked to his full power. First it was just because resolve to win. Initially, he hadn't been formally trained, and didn't know how to control his spiritual power. Then it was said power so functioned almost solely on resolve. Once he had learned how to control his power in battle, villains learned to exploit his fluctuating resolve by beating down his self-confidence with truths about the world, his friends, or even his family, that if he isn't taking didn't previously know. Eventually, he caught on to this tactic and verbally chewed out the fight seriously enough and isn't completely focused on winning next villain who tried it. [[spoiler:The real reason his powers suffer. Next, [[spoiler: his substitute badge was suppressing his reiatsu, power fluctuated so much is because the high brass of the Shinigami were worried that they couldn't fully trust him, and that the previous substitute would turn him against the Soul Society]]. And finally, [[spoiler: it turns out that "Zangetsu" is his "Shinigami" power, known as [[TalkingWeapon Old Man Zangetsu]], was actually his Quincy powers, power secretly masquerading as his Shinigami power and that he was suppressing his shinigami abilities because he originally didn't want only permitting him to become one]]. One starts access just enough to sense a touch of desperation in making sure that survive. When he and Zangetsu confronted each other about it, Ichigo isn't so powerful as to completely destroy learned that his true Shinigami power was the plot.Inner Hollow that had [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind trained him in an antagonistic way]]. Once he had accepted both spirits as his weapon, his power levels stabilised for the final BigBad of the story.]]
15th Dec '16 8:03:28 PM ultimomant
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* In ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'', Wonder Woman and Aquaman's strength varied. Sometimes, they were depicted as only as strong as ordinary people and could be restrained by mooks or ropes. Sometimes, they were correctly depicted as having SuperStrength.
28th Nov '16 2:28:03 PM Morgenthaler
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* Villainous example in ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie'': Megatron's Gun form is powerful, but usually not enough to OHKO an Autobot. In this movie, however, not only is his gun-form powerful enough to kill Brawn and Ironhide, but ''normal'' lasers are enough to kill Prowl and Ratchet and mortally wound Optimus Prime himself!
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* Villainous example in ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie'': Megatron's Gun form is powerful, but usually not enough to OHKO an Autobot. In this movie, however, not only is his gun-form powerful enough to kill Brawn and Ironhide, but ''normal'' lasers are enough to kill Prowl and Ratchet and mortally wound Optimus Prime himself!
28th Nov '16 2:26:51 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'': The skill and power of the Jedi tends to vary greatly from episode to episode. In some episodes they'll be literal [[OneManArmy One Man Armies]] who effortlessly plow through dozens of battle droids and win entire battles singlehandedly, in others, they'll struggle to beat a single BadassNormal who may not even be all that {{badass}}. Exactly how strong the characters were in relation to each other was also very inconsistent, for example, in "Revenge" Obi-Wan teams up with [[spoiler: Ventress]] to fight Savage Oppress and [[spoiler: Darth Maul]], and Obi-Wan says they're outmatched. In the very next episode, Obi-Wan fights the two again, ''by himself'', and beats them handily, wounding Oppress and force the pair to flee.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'': The skill and power of the Jedi tends to vary greatly from episode to episode. In some episodes they'll be literal [[OneManArmy One Man Armies]] who effortlessly plow through dozens of battle droids and win entire battles singlehandedly, in others, they'll struggle to beat a single BadassNormal who may not even be all that {{badass}}.badass. Exactly how strong the characters were in relation to each other was also very inconsistent, for example, in "Revenge" Obi-Wan teams up with [[spoiler: Ventress]] to fight Savage Oppress and [[spoiler: Darth Maul]], and Obi-Wan says they're outmatched. In the very next episode, Obi-Wan fights the two again, ''by himself'', and beats them handily, wounding Oppress and force the pair to flee.
17th Nov '16 2:23:48 AM mogryo
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** Justified in te measure of exorcist's strength depend on their synchronization with their empathetic weapon. The more their understand their innocence the powerful they get. As a consequence they can have a sudden power up wh pushed nearly to death and by experimenting their weapon on the battlefield.
2nd Nov '16 9:02:37 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** In episode 746, [[spoiler:Iris' Axew, a mon in its first stage with a spotty at best record]], managed to somehow put up something resembling a fight against [[MemeticBadass Cynthia's Garchomp]] a mon that beat four of Paul's team with one hit each.

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** In episode 746, [[spoiler:Iris' Axew, a mon in its first stage with a spotty at best record]], managed to somehow put up something resembling a fight against [[MemeticBadass Cynthia's Garchomp]] Garchomp]], a mon that beat four of Paul's team with one hit each.



** The actual competence and strength of Pokemon is highly dependant on the plot.

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** The actual competence and strength of Pokemon is highly dependant dependent on the plot.
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