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* Invoked in ''[[Literature/TheRedVixenAdventures Shadow of Doubt]]'' as Salli and Ali watch their culture's version of a {{Kaiju}} movie. Salli complains that such a creature shouldn't be able to move, and Ali responds that the aliens who made it, "...laugh at the Square-Cube Law!"
18th Jan '17 12:54:54 PM Mujaki
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* In ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour, Creator/WarrenEllis [[JustifiedTrope justified]] Ben Grimm's "Thing" appearance in this way. For Ben to be as strong and durable as he is, his size and weight were correspondingly scaled up to around nine feet tall and ''eight tons'', with super-dense skin and hyper-efficient organs. His mass and strength as so great that the mere act of walking around measures on ''the Richter Scale'', leading Reed to develop a body suit lined with a new type of shock absorber to act as a PowerLimiter for Ben. Otherwise, Ben taking a stroll through Times Square could result in the destruction of New York City itself.

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* In ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour, Creator/WarrenEllis [[JustifiedTrope justified]] Ben Grimm's "Thing" appearance in this way. For Ben to be as strong and durable as he is, his size and weight were correspondingly scaled up to around nine feet tall and ''eight tons'', with super-dense skin and hyper-efficient organs. organs (handy, as Ben sinks like [[JustForPun a stone]] in open water). His mass and strength as are so great that the mere act of walking around measures on ''the Richter Scale'', leading Reed to develop a body suit lined with a new type of shock absorber to act as a PowerLimiter for Ben. Otherwise, Ben taking a stroll through Times Square could result in the destruction of New York City itself.
18th Jan '17 12:51:30 PM Mujaki
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* In ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour, Creator/WarrenEllis [[JustifiedTrope justified]] Ben Grimm's "Thing" appearance in this way. For Ben to be as strong and durable as he is, his size and weight were correspondingly scaled up to around nine feet tall and ''eight tons'', with super-dense skin and hyper-efficient organs. His mass and strength as so great that the mere act of walking around measures on ''the Richter Scale'', leading Reed to develop a body suit lined with a new type of shock absorber to act as a PowerLimiter for Ben. Otherwise, Ben taking a stroll through Times Square could result in the destruction of New York City itself.
8th Jan '17 1:33:30 PM nombretomado
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** TheUltimates version of Hank Pym can grow to ''just'' under sixty feet, as according to his wife, 60ft is the point at which the human skeleton can no longer support its own mass (later generic Giant-Men manage to surpass this, with no mention as to how). His ability is reverse-engineered from Jan's ability to shrink, and she mentions that she can't shrink smaller than an inch because her body automatically knows what its limits are.

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** TheUltimates ComicBook/TheUltimates version of Hank Pym can grow to ''just'' under sixty feet, as according to his wife, 60ft is the point at which the human skeleton can no longer support its own mass (later generic Giant-Men manage to surpass this, with no mention as to how). His ability is reverse-engineered from Jan's ability to shrink, and she mentions that she can't shrink smaller than an inch because her body automatically knows what its limits are.
4th Jan '17 3:54:55 PM DarkHunter
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* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'' has a lot of very large animals wandering the surface of Mira. Fans have suspected that Mira has lower gravity than Earth does (not ever actually stated, but it would explain ''a lot''), but even if one believes that, the several dozens of meters tall Everlasting Millesaurs are pushing it. The in-game fluff explains the Millesaurs as having a surprising amount of their bulk consisting of a bouyant gas sac, which means they are a lot lighter than they look.

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* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'' has a lot of very large animals wandering the surface of Mira. Fans Most of the enormous creatures are shown to have suspected that Mira has lower gravity than Earth does (not ever actually stated, very large organic gasbags keeping them aloft, like living blimps, but it would explain ''a lot''), but even if one believes that, the several dozens of meters tall Everlasting Millesaurs and Coronids are pushing it.just plain gigantic four-legged dinosaurs. The in-game fluff explains the Millesaurs as having a surprising amount of their bulk consisting of a bouyant gas sac, which means they are a lot lighter than they look.
30th Dec '16 5:51:30 PM Sparrowhawk
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* It even happens with toys. Given the same material and proportions, a smaller doll or action figure will generally hold an awkward pose - one which puts frictional stress on the joints, such as standing with knees bent - much better than a large one.

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* It 's even happens observable with toys. Given the same material and proportions, a smaller doll or action figure will generally hold an awkward pose - one which puts frictional stress on the joints, such as standing with knees bent - much better than a large one.
30th Dec '16 4:43:19 PM Sparrowhawk
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* It even happens with toys. Given the same material and proportions, a smaller doll or action figure will generally hold an awkward pose - one which puts frictional stress on the joints, such as standing with knees bent - much better than a large one.
27th Dec '16 7:20:19 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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This law is relevant when an object is shrunk down as well. Make something half its size and it will have roughly twice the proportional strength and endurance. This is why small animals, like ants, are able to carry things far heavier than themselves, part of how fleas can manage to jump so far relative to their size, and why bugs can survive falls of effectively any height-- get small enough and your terminal velocity will be a survivable speed. However, don't think this is all win for the IncredibleShrinkingMan, who will likely not survive to enjoy his new found strength. Since body heat production is at least partially proportionate to volume, while heat loss is dependent on surface area exposed to the air, a shrunk human will find he is dissipating heat faster than his body produces it. It won't be long until the shrunk human freezes to death, even during a summer day.

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This law is relevant when an object is shrunk down as well. Make something half its size and it will have roughly twice the proportional strength and endurance. This is why small animals, like ants, are able to carry things far heavier than themselves, part of how fleas can manage to jump so far relative to their size, and why bugs cats can survive falls of effectively any height-- height -- get small enough and your terminal velocity will be a survivable speed. However, don't think this is all win for the IncredibleShrinkingMan, who will likely not survive to enjoy his new found strength. Since body heat production is at least partially proportionate to volume, while heat loss is dependent on surface area exposed to the air, a shrunk human will find he is dissipating heat faster than his body produces it. It won't be long until the shrunk human freezes to death, even during a summer day.



* UsefulNotes/JosephStalin had several projects of similar magnitude. The most famous of these is the Palace of the Soviets, which would have been the tallest manmade free-standing structure in the world at the time, had it been completed. It was to be built on a place of former Church of Christ the Saviour, which was demolished to free the space for the Palace. The top of the Palace would feature a 30-meter statue of Lenin. It was cancelled when the architects finally got over their fear of [[BadBoss Stalin]] to tell him that the building would simply sink into the ground (there are underground streams in Moscow). The designs were instead used to build five scaled-down structures. The place instead was made into a very nice giant open-air swimming pool with free admittance; until finally in 1990s the pool was demolished, and the original structure occupying the spot was reconstructed – namely, the lush and astronomically expensive Church of Christ the Saviour, with a giant underground conference hall, parking lot and other amenities for heads of rich Russian Orthodox Church.
* Millions of years ago, bigger creatures were able to walk the Earth thanks in part to the greater concentration of oxygen in the air. Insects in particular have an inefficient way to carry oxygen to their cells. Back when there was more oxygen, they were able to push the envelope on size -- there were dragonflies with 3 foot wingspans, for example. Nowadays, the same insects would suffocate. Nowadays, as always, the insects grow to whatever size the local atmosphere supports, so all it takes for [[NightmareFuel monster dragonflies and mosquitoes]] to return is a bit more oxygen.

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* UsefulNotes/JosephStalin UsefulNotes/JosefStalin had several projects of similar magnitude. The most famous of these is the Palace of the Soviets, which would have been the tallest manmade free-standing structure in the world at the time, had it been completed. It was to be built on a place of former Church of Christ the Saviour, which was demolished to free the space for the Palace. The top of the Palace would feature a 30-meter statue of Lenin. It was cancelled when the architects finally got over their fear of [[BadBoss Stalin]] to tell him that the building would simply sink into the ground (there are underground streams in Moscow). The designs were instead used to build five scaled-down structures. The place instead was made into a very nice giant open-air swimming pool with free admittance; until finally in 1990s the pool was demolished, and the original structure occupying the spot was reconstructed – namely, the lush and astronomically expensive Church of Christ the Saviour, with a giant underground conference hall, parking lot and other amenities for heads of rich Russian Orthodox Church.
* Millions of years ago, bigger creatures were able to walk the Earth thanks in part to the greater concentration of oxygen in the air. Insects in particular have an inefficient way to carry oxygen to their cells. Back when there was more oxygen, they were able to push the envelope on size -- there were dragonflies with 3 foot wingspans, for example. Nowadays, the same insects would suffocate. Nowadays, as always, the insects grow to whatever size the local atmosphere supports, so all it takes for [[NightmareFuel monster dragonflies and mosquitoes]] BigCreepyCrawlies to return is a bit more oxygen.
26th Dec '16 8:18:09 PM nombretomado
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* [[AndreTheGiant André the Giant]] was so huge due to acromegaly, a disorder of the pituitary gland which essentially causes your body to try to violate the square-cube law. He spent the later part of his life in constant pain due to the strain on his muscles and circulatory system, and died at 47.

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* [[AndreTheGiant André the Giant]] Wrestling/AndreTheGiant was so huge due to acromegaly, a disorder of the pituitary gland which essentially causes your body to try to violate the square-cube law. He spent the later part of his life in constant pain due to the strain on his muscles and circulatory system, and died at 47.
26th Dec '16 2:58:37 PM StFan
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* {{Spider-man}} writers occasionally lampshade this, and there has been at least one {{Retcon}} that Spidey is actually ''stronger'' than the proportionate strength of a spider -- or even simply possessing a spider's strength-to-weight ratio, which is likely what the creators originally meant.

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* {{Spider-man}} ''Franchise/SpiderMan'':
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writers occasionally lampshade this, and there has been at least one {{Retcon}} that Spidey is actually ''stronger'' than the proportionate strength of a spider -- or even simply possessing a spider's strength-to-weight ratio, which is likely what the creators originally meant.



* Discussed in great detail in ''The Science Of Superheroes'', with regards to superheroes that are able to make themselves larger or smaller.
* Discussed in the pre-ComicBook/{{New 52}} Jaime Reyes run of ''ComicBook/BlueBeetle''. Since you can't scientifically increase somebody's size past a certain threshold without them falling apart into a pile of bones and blood, magic is always behind giant humans.

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* Discussed in great detail in ''The Science Of of Superheroes'', with regards to superheroes that are able to make themselves larger or smaller.
* Discussed in the pre-ComicBook/{{New 52}} pre-ComicBook/New52 Jaime Reyes run of ''ComicBook/BlueBeetle''. Since you can't scientifically increase somebody's size past a certain threshold without them falling apart into a pile of bones and blood, magic is always behind giant humans.



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-->"How… How can that thing support its own weight?"
** [[NarrationEcho I just said that.]]
* It's explicitly stated in the series bible for FanFic/RainbowDoubleDashsLunaverse that pegasus wings are too small to allow them to fly without their magic.

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-->"How… -->"How... How can that thing support its own weight?"
** [[NarrationEcho I just said that.]]
* It's explicitly stated in the series bible for FanFic/RainbowDoubleDashsLunaverse ''FanFic/RainbowDoubleDashsLunaverse'' that pegasus wings are too small to allow them to fly without their magic.



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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Epic}}'', the tiny scale the Leafmen and Boggans live at ''reverses'' the Square/Cube Law, making them {{Pintsize Powerhouse}}s able to [[InASingleBound jump crazy far]] and shrug off [[DisneyVillainDeath falls from cliffs]]. Of course they don't explain this to the audience at all. For those familiar with the law it's a refreshing accuracy, but one wonders how many kids, who don't even know what a cube is, were left wondered why they good guys seemed so indifferent about throwing people off of birds to their apparent-death all the time.
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* ''[[Film/{{Transformers}} Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'':
** Subtle aversion: Devastator, a large, gorilla-like robot made from construction equipment, is so massive that he cannot stand up straight without risking his legs caving in on themselves. It was for that very reason that the folks at Hasbro and [[Creator/IndustrialLightAndMagic ILM]] opted to go with the gorilla-walk.
** The same aversion is seen with the other robots in both films. Smaller guys like Bumblebee or Barricade are pretty agile, while the medium size bots like Ironhide can move, but they aren't that swift. Moving up to Optimus Prime and Megatron, they're clearly focused on power brawling, although Optimus is a LightningBruiser.

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* ''[[Film/{{Transformers}} Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'':
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** ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'': Subtle aversion: Devastator, a large, gorilla-like robot made from construction equipment, is so massive that he cannot stand up straight without risking his legs caving in on themselves. It was for that very reason that the folks at Hasbro and [[Creator/IndustrialLightAndMagic ILM]] opted to go with the gorilla-walk.
** The same aversion is seen with the other robots in both films. Smaller guys like Bumblebee or Barricade are pretty agile, while the medium size medium-size bots like Ironhide can move, but they aren't that swift. Moving up to Optimus Prime and Megatron, they're clearly focused on power brawling, although Optimus is a LightningBruiser.



* Giant cockroach movie ''Film/{{Mimic}}'' {{hand wave}}s the SquareCubeLaw during an autopsy scene, where the entomologist discovers that the Judas Breed has evolved lungs. This explains how they can breathe, but not how a six-foot cockroach with six-foot wings can fly while carrying an adult woman.
** The issue is simply skipped in the Donald Wollheim story the film was based on: the mimic, a giant moth, is never seen flying and in fact may not be able to fly. [[spoiler: Its newly-hatched offspring, the size of very large moths, fly just fine.]]

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* Giant cockroach movie ''Film/{{Mimic}}'' {{hand wave}}s the SquareCubeLaw during an autopsy scene, where the entomologist discovers that the Judas Breed has evolved lungs. This explains how they can breathe, but not how a six-foot cockroach with six-foot wings can fly while carrying an adult woman.
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woman. The issue is simply skipped in the Donald Wollheim story the film was based on: the mimic, a giant moth, is never seen flying and in fact may not be able to fly. [[spoiler: Its newly-hatched offspring, the size of very large moths, fly just fine.]]



-->'''Ray:''' I'm afraid the vibrations would shake her to pieces. We should have padded her feet!
-->'''[[DeadpanSnarker Egon:]]''' I don't think they make Nikes in her size, Ray.

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-->'''Ray:''' I'm afraid the vibrations would shake her to pieces. We should have padded her feet!
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Egon:]]''' I don't think they make Nikes in her size, Ray.



* In ''Film/IronMan2'', we see NorthKorea's attempt at making an Iron Man suit, which appears to be 20 feet tall machine covered in guns... which immediately fell over because of how thin its legs were to the top heavy body.

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* In ''Film/IronMan2'', we see NorthKorea's UsefulNotes/NorthKorea's attempt at making an Iron Man suit, which appears to be 20 feet tall 20-foot-tall machine covered in guns... which immediately fell falls over because of how thin its legs were are to the top heavy top-heavy body.



* In ''Film/{{Epic}}'', the tiny scale the Leafmen and Boggans live at ''reverses'' the Square/Cube Law, making them {{Pintsize Powerhouse}}s able to [[InASingleBound jump crazy far]] and shrug off [[DisneyVillainDeath falls from cliffs]].
** Of course they don't explain this to the audience at all. For those familiar with the law it's a refreshing accuracy, but one wonders how many kids, who don't even know what a cube is, were left wondered why they good guys seemed so indifferent about throwing people off of birds to their apparent-death all the time.



** Mentioned in ''Discworld/FeetOfClay'' by Creator/TerryPratchett, regarding how different sizes of animal would end up after a given fall of about two stories--a spider wouldn't notice it, a mouse would walk away, etc.
** In ''Discworld/GuardsGuards!'' almost all the characters realize right away that the dragon can't possibly fly under its own power... unless it's fueling itself with magic. The descriptions specifically point out that its flight looks completely unrealistic compared to a bird's, because it's actually magically levitating itself.

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** Mentioned in ''Discworld/FeetOfClay'' by Creator/TerryPratchett, regarding how different sizes of animal would end up after a given fall of about two stories--a stories -- a spider wouldn't notice it, a mouse would walk away, etc.
** In ''Discworld/GuardsGuards!'' ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'' almost all the characters realize right away that the dragon can't possibly fly under its own power... unless it's fueling itself with magic. The descriptions specifically point out that its flight looks completely unrealistic compared to a bird's, because it's actually magically levitating itself.



*** The Nac Mac Feegle seem considerably ''stronger'' than an average man, given that they steal cows by picking them up and carrying them off, one Feegle to a hoof. For an average-sized cow, that means they're each lifting in the vicinity of 400 pounds, and carrying it at a dead run.

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*** ** The Nac Mac Feegle seem considerably ''stronger'' than an average man, given that they steal cows by picking them up and carrying them off, one Feegle to a hoof. For an average-sized cow, that means they're each lifting in the vicinity of 400 pounds, and carrying it at a dead run.



* Pratchett got it wrong earlier in his career; ''Literature/TheCarpetPeople'' seem afraid of a fall of a few millimetres.
** Given that the Carpet's largest city is [[WordOfGod explicitly stated]] to be the size of a full stop, a few millimetres to a Carpet Person would be the equivalent of a few miles to normal humans.
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* Pratchett got it wrong earlier in his career; ''Literature/TheCarpetPeople'' seem afraid of a fall of a few millimetres.
** Given that the Carpet's largest city is [[WordOfGod explicitly stated]] to be the size of a full stop, a few millimetres to a Carpet Person would be the equivalent of a few miles to normal humans.
* ''StarTrek''
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* In his novella ''The Forgotten Planet'', Creator/MurrayLeinster plays this very straight in his presentation of a world in which insects have grown to enormous sizes, such as ants two feet long and spiders with yard-long legs, based on fossil records of actually giant insects, and are at the outer limit of what cube-square effects allow. But other insects, such as water striders, are no larger than normal, as gigantism would destroy them.\\
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* In his novella ''The Forgotten Planet'', Creator/MurrayLeinster plays this very straight in his presentation of a world in which insects have grown to enormous sizes, such as ants two feet long and spiders with yard-long legs, based on fossil records of actually giant insects, and are at the outer limit of what cube-square effects allow. But other insects, such as water striders, are no larger than normal, as gigantism would destroy them.\\
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'':
** The Imperial Titans and Baneblades, and Gargants, and Squiggoths, and Hive Tyrants...thanks to 40k's RuleOfCool-powered physics, it's likely cumbersome size can always be counterbalanced by the number of guns bolted to it.
** Taken to hilarious extremes with the Hierophant Biotitan who, despite being as large as a warhound, is supported by 4 relatively tiny stalks it calls legs. How it doesn't explode from its own weight is anyone's guess. [[note]] It's implied that the Hierophant is a very powerful Psyker, but has to dedicate all of it's psychic power to maintaining a Warp Field, giving it a powerful armor save while at the same time maintaining it's structural integrity.[[/note]]. Unsurprisingly it's model is one of the most fragile non-dark eldar ones in the whole line.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'':
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** The Imperial Titans and Baneblades, and Gargants, and Squiggoths, and Hive Tyrants... thanks to 40k's RuleOfCool-powered physics, it's likely cumbersome size can always be counterbalanced by the number of guns bolted to it.
** Taken to hilarious extremes with the Hierophant Biotitan who, despite being as large as a warhound, is supported by 4 relatively tiny stalks it calls legs. How it doesn't explode from its own weight is anyone's guess. [[note]] It's implied that the Hierophant is a very powerful Psyker, but has to dedicate all of it's its psychic power to maintaining a Warp Field, giving it a powerful armor save while at the same time maintaining it's its structural integrity.[[/note]]. Unsurprisingly it's its model is one of the most fragile non-dark eldar ones in the whole line.



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* In ''Literature/IlivaisX'' the Ilivais units are basically 80s super robots, and as such standing under their own weight would be impossible without assistance. This developed into "make them focused on flight" which then developed into "don't even bother giving them feet". As such, most of them have blade legs that end in a point, meaning that if they lose flight capability, they're utterly incapable of movement.
* In the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'' story "Boston Brawl", there's an AuthorTract explaining how size-warping 'giants' really work, since the SquareCubeLaw and some other laws of basis physics would seem to make it impossible. The giant Matterhorn only ''appears'' to be a 40-foot giant because everyone else interfaces with his [[AppliedPhlebotinum warp displacement field]] instead of him.
** The Workshop at Whateley contains a HumongousMecha that [[MadScientist devisor]] students occasionally work on. The best it's done is take three steps before the knee came apart.
** Played dead straight on occasion, too - Jimmy T's antics on Hallowe'en come to mind, as do any Shifter (as opposed to Warper) size-changers.
* Discussed extensively in Literature/SmallProblem.
* ''Literature/TheSalvationWar'' averts this to a degree. On the one hand, most of the "lesser demons" are only about 8 feet tall, basically are made of muscles on top of more muscles, and while they all have wings only two subspecies (harpies and gorgons) can actually fly, it is stated that their bodies must produce lighter than air gasses to even manage that. On the other hand, there are many much larger demons, such as Satan, that well reach over 20 feet tall, although they tend to stay on the backs of great beasts or in their throne rooms. [[spoiler: All Angels can fly, but they also are stated to have the gas producing organs. Yahweh is stated to be HUGE, but never moves from sitting on the Eternal Throne. When Heaven is conquered, the great gates to the Eternal City are so giant they cannot be moved, so must be blasted down.]]
* Made fun of in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adW46gsMTXM this]] WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded parody of ''IronMan''.

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* In ''Literature/IlivaisX'' the Ilivais units are basically 80s super robots, and as such standing under their own weight would be impossible without assistance. This developed into "make them focused on flight" which then developed into "don't even bother giving them feet". As such, most of them have blade legs that end in a point, meaning that if they lose flight capability, they're utterly incapable of movement.
* In the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'' story "Boston Brawl", there's an AuthorTract explaining how size-warping 'giants' really work, since the SquareCubeLaw and some other laws of basis physics would seem to make it impossible. The giant Matterhorn only ''appears'' to be a 40-foot giant because everyone else interfaces with his [[AppliedPhlebotinum warp displacement field]] instead of him.
** The Workshop at Whateley contains a HumongousMecha that [[MadScientist devisor]] students occasionally work on. The best it's done is take three steps before the knee came apart.
** Played dead straight on occasion, too - Jimmy T's antics on Hallowe'en come to mind, as do any Shifter (as opposed to Warper) size-changers.
* Discussed extensively in Literature/SmallProblem.
* ''Literature/TheSalvationWar'' averts this to a degree. On the one hand, most of the "lesser demons" are only about 8 feet tall, basically are made of muscles on top of more muscles, and while they all have wings only two subspecies (harpies and gorgons) can actually fly, it is stated that their bodies must produce lighter than air gasses to even manage that. On the other hand, there are many much larger demons, such as Satan, that well reach over 20 feet tall, although they tend to stay on the backs of great beasts or in their throne rooms. [[spoiler: All Angels can fly, but they also are stated to have the gas producing organs. Yahweh is stated to be HUGE, but never moves from sitting on the Eternal Throne. When Heaven is conquered, the great gates to the Eternal City are so giant they cannot be moved, so must be blasted down.]]
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* Made fun of in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adW46gsMTXM this]] WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' parody of ''IronMan''.''Film/IronMan''.



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** And played with in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0754.html #754]], when the "Empress of Blood" (a morbidly obese red dragon the size of a small house) is able to fly, despite her wings being maybe 1% of the size of her body. How can she do it? Because D&D rules say that dragons can fly, regardless of size.

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** And played with in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0754.html #754]], when the "Empress of Blood" (a morbidly obese red dragon the size of a small house) is able to fly, despite her wings being maybe 1% of the size of her body. How can she do it? Because D&D ''D&D'' rules say that dragons can fly, regardless of size.



* In Webcomic/FairyDust, tiny races are able to lift several times their weight. Larger races compensate for their weight with thicker limbs and very dense bones, making the largest ones so heavy they can't swim.

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* In Webcomic/FairyDust, ''Webcomic/FairyDust'', tiny races are able to lift several times their weight. Larger races compensate for their weight with thicker limbs and very dense bones, making the largest ones so heavy they can't swim.



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* In ''Literature/IlivaisX'' the Ilivais units are basically 80s super robots, and as such standing under their own weight would be impossible without assistance. This developed into "make them focused on flight" which then developed into "don't even bother giving them feet". As such, most of them have blade legs that end in a point, meaning that if they lose flight capability, they're utterly incapable of movement.
* In the ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'' story "Boston Brawl", there's an AuthorTract explaining how size-warping 'giants' really work, since the SquareCubeLaw and some other laws of basis physics would seem to make it impossible. The giant Matterhorn only ''appears'' to be a 40-foot giant because everyone else interfaces with his [[AppliedPhlebotinum warp displacement field]] instead of him.
** The Workshop at Whateley contains a HumongousMecha that [[MadScientist devisor]] students occasionally work on. The best it's done is take three steps before the knee came apart.
** Played dead straight on occasion, too - Jimmy T's antics on Hallowe'en come to mind, as do any Shifter (as opposed to Warper) size-changers.
* Discussed extensively in ''Literature/SmallProblem''.
* ''Literature/TheSalvationWar'' averts this to a degree. On the one hand, most of the "lesser demons" are only about 8 feet tall, basically are made of muscles on top of more muscles, and while they all have wings only two subspecies (harpies and gorgons) can actually fly, it is stated that their bodies must produce lighter-than-air gasses to even manage that. On the other hand, there are many much larger demons, such as Satan, that well reach over 20 feet tall, although they tend to stay on the backs of great beasts or in their throne rooms. [[spoiler:All Angels can fly, but they also are stated to have the gas producing organs. Yahweh is stated to be HUGE, but never moves from sitting on the Eternal Throne. When Heaven is conquered, the great gates to the Eternal City are so giant they cannot be moved, so must be blasted down.]]
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* On ''WesternAnimation/ChipAndDaleRescueRangers'', the main cast -- two chipmunks, two mice, and a fly -- are, encounters with [[ShrinkRay size-changing rays]] aside, ''roughly'' the same size as their real-world counterparts, yet exhibit the same fear of falling a human should, given the same heights... often a distance that would likely only daze them for a few seconds. (This being Disney, however, something always lessens the threat to our heroes and their friends ''anyway'', so whether their fears are founded or not is never shown.)
** A simpler example form the same show would be the cast frequently using large (for them) human-made tools with relative ease.

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* On ''WesternAnimation/ChipAndDaleRescueRangers'', the main cast -- two chipmunks, two mice, and a fly -- are, encounters with [[ShrinkRay size-changing rays]] aside, ''roughly'' the same size as their real-world counterparts, yet exhibit the same fear of falling a human should, given the same heights... often a distance that would likely only daze them for a few seconds. (This being Disney, however, something always lessens the threat to our heroes and their friends ''anyway'', so whether their fears are founded or not is never shown.)
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) A simpler example form the same show would be the cast frequently using large (for them) human-made tools with relative ease.



* In ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', the EldritchAbomination known as Orgalorg could move around freely - in outer space. When it was transported to Earth, gravity compacted and condensed its size so much, the creature took on a smaller form: [[spoiler: a penguin]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', the EldritchAbomination known as Orgalorg could move around freely - -- in outer space. When it was transported to Earth, gravity compacted and condensed its size so much, the creature took on a smaller form: [[spoiler: a penguin]].



* GalileoGalilei's [[http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=753&Itemid=99999999 Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences]] contains discussions on the subject. Possibly the UrExample.
* One of the classic explications of this idea, although never actually mentioning the term "square cube law", is J.B.S. Haldane's "[[http://irl.cs.ucla.edu/papers/right-size.html On Being The Right Size]]".
* Some breeds of dogs which have been bred for size are easily susceptible to numerous health issues that smaller dogs do not, from joint pain to heart problems, while smaller dogs live longer on average. Similarly, leaner people tend to have fewer health issues than overweight or very muscular people, because they have less weight to carry around.
** In general, larger species live longer, as it takes more time for them to grow, but smaller individuals of a species tend to live longer, as they have less mass to support.

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* GalileoGalilei's UsefulNotes/GalileoGalilei's [[http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=753&Itemid=99999999 Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences]] contains discussions on the subject. Possibly the UrExample.
* One of the classic explications of this idea, although never actually mentioning the term "square cube "square/cube law", is J.B.S. Haldane's "[[http://irl.cs.ucla.edu/papers/right-size.html On Being The the Right Size]]".
* Some breeds of dogs which have been bred for size are easily susceptible to numerous health issues that smaller dogs do not, from joint pain to heart problems, while smaller dogs live longer on average. Similarly, leaner people tend to have fewer health issues than overweight or very muscular people, because they have less weight to carry around.
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around. In general, larger species live longer, as it takes more time for them to grow, but smaller individuals of a species tend to live longer, as they have less mass to support.



** Similarly, ProfessionalWrestling/AndreTheGiant was in constant pain for most of his life because of his gigantism and the strain it placed on his body. It eventually killed him, though he still lived more than twice as long as Wadlow.

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** Similarly, ProfessionalWrestling/AndreTheGiant Wrestling/AndreTheGiant was in constant pain for most of his life because of his gigantism and the strain it placed on his body. It eventually killed him, though he still lived more than twice as long as Wadlow.



* The Nazis were getting hammered in the tank battles on the Eastern Front, so they decided to build a scaled-up tank, with armour thick enough to shrug off enemy tank shells, and guns big enough to one-shot enemy tanks. The "Maus", as it was ironically called, weighed 200 tonnes, was 10 metres long and 3.71 metres tall. The tracks were 1.1 metres wide - more than half its 3.63 metre width - in order to try to spread the load, but it still tended to sink if the ground wasn't completely firm. The designers had a difficult job designing (and then redesigning) a suspension system strong enough to support the weight, and finding an engine big enough to drive the whole thing - in the end, more than half of the Maus was occupied by powerplant and transmission, and it still wouldn't go over 13 kph. Crossing bridges with that weight was out of the question, so it was designed to be able to ford rivers, completely submerged if necessary. It was to have a 150mm main cannon. Unfortunately, they were unable to do anything about it destroying roads and damaging nearby structures simply by its weight and vibration. In the end, only two prototypes were built. That's not all, though. Plans were on the drawing board for a '''1,000 tonne''', 25 metre long Landkreuzer with a 12" main gun, infirmary and toilet facility, and its big brother, the '''1,500 tonne''', 42 metre long "Monster" Landkreuzer with a 32" inch main gun. ThoseWackyNazis, indeed!
** The principle holds even for more practical tanks. T-34 and the Sherman were only marginally larger than the Panzer IV, yet they weighed nearly 10 tons heavier. The Panther was yet again somewhat larger than the T-34 and the Sherman, but heavier still by more than 10 tons. Many German generals thought the advantages of the larger Panther were not worth the penalty imposed by the heavier weight. Guderian in particular believed that the long-cannon Panzer IV was the best tank Germany produced during the World War II. The debate continues as Russians kept on producing smaller, lighter, cramped, cheaper but still fairly powerful (for their size and cost) tanks compared to their Western counterparts.
** Another Nazi failure was the planned demolition of Berlin to build, among other things, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkshalle Volkshalle]], to be the center of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welthauptstadt_Germania World Capital Germania]]". Meant to contain 180,000 people, it was basically a scaled-up version of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon,_Rome Hadrian's Pantheon]], which Hitler greatly admired. However, it was so big that the water vapor exhaled by its occupants would have created clouds and rain-assuming the entire building hadn't already sunk into the swampy ground.
** In Berlin there remain a few gigantic concrete test cylinders the Nazis cast to see if the soil could support the Volkshalle's weight. Proving real life has a sense of dramatic irony, these cylinders have been steadily (albeit slowly) sinking for sixty years.

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* The Nazis were getting hammered in the tank battles on the Eastern Front, so they decided to build a scaled-up tank, with armour armor thick enough to shrug off enemy tank shells, and guns big enough to one-shot enemy tanks. The "Maus", as it was ironically called, weighed 200 tonnes, was 10 metres long and 3.71 metres tall. The tracks were 1.1 metres wide - -- more than half its 3.63 metre width - -- in order to try to spread the load, but it still tended to sink if the ground wasn't completely firm. The designers had a difficult job designing (and then redesigning) a suspension system strong enough to support the weight, and finding an engine big enough to drive the whole thing - -- in the end, more than half of the Maus was occupied by powerplant and transmission, and it still wouldn't go over 13 kph. Crossing bridges with that weight was out of the question, so it was designed to be able to ford rivers, completely submerged if necessary. It was to have a 150mm main cannon. Unfortunately, they were unable to do anything about it destroying roads and damaging nearby structures simply by its weight and vibration. In the end, only two prototypes were built. That's not all, though. Plans were on the drawing board for a '''1,000 tonne''', 25 metre long Landkreuzer with a 12" main gun, infirmary and toilet facility, and its big brother, the '''1,500 tonne''', 42 metre long "Monster" Landkreuzer with a 32" inch main gun. ThoseWackyNazis, indeed!
** * The principle holds even for more practical tanks. T-34 and the Sherman were only marginally larger than the Panzer IV, yet they weighed nearly 10 tons heavier. The Panther was yet again somewhat larger than the T-34 and the Sherman, but heavier still by more than 10 tons. Many German generals thought the advantages of the larger Panther were not worth the penalty imposed by the heavier weight. Guderian in particular believed that the long-cannon Panzer IV was the best tank Germany produced during the World War II. The debate continues as Russians kept on producing smaller, lighter, cramped, cheaper but still fairly powerful (for their size and cost) tanks compared to their Western counterparts.
** * Another Nazi failure was the planned demolition of Berlin to build, among other things, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkshalle Volkshalle]], to be the center of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welthauptstadt_Germania World Capital Germania]]". Meant to contain 180,000 people, it was basically a scaled-up version of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon,_Rome Hadrian's Pantheon]], which Hitler greatly admired. However, it was so big that the water vapor exhaled by its occupants would have created clouds and rain-assuming rain -- assuming the entire building hadn't already sunk into the swampy ground.
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ground. In Berlin there remain a few gigantic concrete test cylinders the Nazis cast to see if the soil could support the Volkshalle's weight. Proving real life has a sense of dramatic irony, these cylinders have been steadily (albeit slowly) sinking for sixty years.



* Millions of years ago, bigger creatures were able to walk the Earth thanks in part to the greater concentration of oxygen in the air. Insects in particular have an inefficient way to carry oxygen to their cells. Back when there was more oxygen, they were able to push the envelope on size - there were dragonflies with 3 foot wingspans, for example. Nowadays, the same insects would suffocate. Nowadays, as always, the insects grow to whatever size the local atmosphere supports, so all it takes for [[NightmareFuel monster dragonflies and mosquitoes]] to return is a bit more oxygen.

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* Millions of years ago, bigger creatures were able to walk the Earth thanks in part to the greater concentration of oxygen in the air. Insects in particular have an inefficient way to carry oxygen to their cells. Back when there was more oxygen, they were able to push the envelope on size - -- there were dragonflies with 3 foot wingspans, for example. Nowadays, the same insects would suffocate. Nowadays, as always, the insects grow to whatever size the local atmosphere supports, so all it takes for [[NightmareFuel monster dragonflies and mosquitoes]] to return is a bit more oxygen.



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