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16th Sep '17 3:36:00 PM Acomicfan1
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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]] [[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand fashion and was given his title and legacy back (with the other younger Wally West revealed to be the original's cousin, both named after their great grandfather, allowing both characters to remain and the younger Wally to have a chance to carve his own path). After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all {{Legacy Character}}s who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West '''earned''' to become The Flash.

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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]] [[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand fashion and was given his title and legacy back (with the other younger Wally West revealed to be the original's cousin, both named after their great grandfather, allowing both characters to remain and the younger Wally to have a chance to carve his own path). After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all {{Legacy Character}}s who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West '''earned''' to become The Flash.
1st Aug '17 5:26:40 PM Gamermaster
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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]] [[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand fashion and was given his title and legacy back (with the other younger Wally West revealed to be the original's cousin, both named after their great grandfather, allowing both characters to remain and the younger Wally to have a chance to carve his own path). After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all LegacyCharacter s who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West '''earned''' to become The Flash.

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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]] [[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand fashion and was given his title and legacy back (with the other younger Wally West revealed to be the original's cousin, both named after their great grandfather, allowing both characters to remain and the younger Wally to have a chance to carve his own path). After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all LegacyCharacter s {{Legacy Character}}s who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West '''earned''' to become The Flash.
2nd Jun '17 1:52:07 PM LentilSandEater
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* Subverted and lampshaded in ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk''. With Bruce Banner safely locked away in a military base and unable to turn into the Hulk, a new, ComicBook/RedHulk (called "Rulk" by fans) shows up from out of nowhere. Who is he? All signs pointed to Rick Jones, the original Hulk's old sidekick, having graduated into the role...which just made it all the more shocking when we learn that Rick has graduated, but NOT into the Red Hulk...instead, he's become a creature called A-Bomb, strong enough to fight Rulk on his own level. [[spoiler:Rulk was eventually revealed to be General "Thunderbolt" Ross, having teamed up with the Leader to take down the Hulk, making this an example of HeWhoFightsMonsters.]]
** Granted, Rick was [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]] on at least two previous occasions.

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* Subverted and lampshaded in ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk''. With Bruce Banner safely locked away in a military base and unable to turn into the Hulk, a new, ComicBook/RedHulk (called "Rulk" by fans) shows up from out of nowhere. Who is he? All signs pointed to Rick Jones, the original Hulk's old sidekick, having graduated into the role...which just made it all the more shocking when we learn that Rick has graduated, but NOT into the Red Hulk...instead, he's become a creature called A-Bomb, strong enough to fight Rulk on his own level. [[spoiler:Rulk was eventually revealed to be General "Thunderbolt" Ross, having teamed up with the Leader to take down the Hulk, making this an example of HeWhoFightsMonsters.]]
** Granted, Rick was [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]] on at least two previous occasions.
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2nd Jun '17 1:49:56 PM LentilSandEater
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* Borderline exception: Stephanie Brown, the Spoiler, "graduated" to replace Tim Drake as Robin. It lasted only a few issues, and she then returned to being the Spoiler... but only for the BatFamilyCrossover that [[StuffedIntoTheFridge ended with her death]].
** Later played straight when Stephanie reappeared (she had been [[HesJustHiding Just Hiding]]) and graduated again, this time to [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]]... At least until the ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where Barbara took the mantle of [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} Batgirl]] back. Stephanie Brown: ButtMonkey of the Bat-Family.
** Zig-Zagged: while Barbara Gordon showed no signs of abandoning her role as Oracle to become ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} again, there was substantial -- though far from universal -- desire to see that happen. This is likely due to the changeover being connected with her being [[StuffedIntoTheFridge paralyzed]]. However, there was just as substantial support for Babs to stay as Oracle, as she was a rare example of a handicapped hero whose concept doesn't rely on a DisabilitySuperpower or on being InspirationallyDisadvantaged.
** As for the other major [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Batgirl]], Cassandra Cain, she stepped away and gave the role to Stephanie. She was eventually appointed as the "Batman" of Hong Kong, using the code name "Blackbat".

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* Borderline exception: Stephanie Brown, the Spoiler, "graduated" to replace Tim Drake as Robin. It lasted only a few issues, and she then returned to being the Spoiler... but only for the BatFamilyCrossover that [[StuffedIntoTheFridge ended with her death]].
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death]]. Later played straight when Stephanie reappeared (she had been [[HesJustHiding Just Hiding]]) and graduated again, this time to [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]]... At least until the ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where Barbara took the mantle of [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} Batgirl]] back. Stephanie Brown: ButtMonkey of the Bat-Family.
** Zig-Zagged: while
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Barbara Gordon showed no signs of abandoning her role as Oracle to become ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} again, there was substantial -- though far from universal -- desire to see that happen. This is likely due to the changeover being connected with her being [[StuffedIntoTheFridge paralyzed]]. However, there was just as substantial support for Babs to stay as Oracle, as she was a rare example of a handicapped hero whose concept doesn't rely on a DisabilitySuperpower or on being InspirationallyDisadvantaged.
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As for the other major [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Batgirl]], Cassandra Cain, she stepped away and gave the role to Stephanie. She was eventually appointed as the "Batman" of Hong Kong, using the code name "Blackbat". Then changed again in Rebirth to become *Orphan*.
19th May '17 8:12:06 PM Xoorligan
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* Donna Troy stopped being ComicBook/WonderGirl, and started being... [[CanonDisContinuity well, we won't get into that]]. Almost nothing's stuck without having [[ContinuitySnarl new layers of convoluted continuity]] added on, but she's still not Wonder Girl again. She's a really unique case. Both the confusion and Donna's subsequent promotion stem partially from the fact that Wonder Girl was originally supposed to be WonderWoman as a young girl who occasionally interacted with her adult self via TimeTravel. A writer saw the cover for one of these stories and got confused when he was writing the Teen Titans.

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* Donna Troy stopped being ComicBook/WonderGirl, and started being... [[CanonDisContinuity [[ContinuitySnarl well, we won't get into that]]. Almost nothing's stuck without having [[ContinuitySnarl new layers of convoluted continuity]] added on, but she's still not Wonder Girl again. She's a really unique case. Both the confusion and Donna's subsequent promotion stem partially from the fact that Wonder Girl was originally supposed to be WonderWoman as a young girl who occasionally interacted with her adult self via TimeTravel. A writer saw the cover for one of these stories and got confused when he was writing the Teen Titans.
16th Apr '17 10:46:45 PM LordGoatKing
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*** And then he became Batman an a more permanent basis with Bruce Wayne's 'inconveniencing' in the event ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. Fans guessed this would be reverted as soon as Bruce got back, but it actually stuck around for a little while with ''both'' men operating as Batman - in fact, Bruce is ''franchising'' and appointing even more Batmen worldwide. Dick's promotion was eventually reversed by the ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where he went back to being Nightwing.

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*** And then he became Batman an a more permanent basis with Bruce Wayne's 'inconveniencing' in the event ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. Fans guessed this would be reverted as soon as Bruce got back, but it actually stuck around for a little while with ''both'' men operating as Batman - in fact, Bruce is started ''franchising'' and appointing even more Batmen worldwide. Dick's promotion was eventually reversed by the ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where he went back to being Nightwing.
19th Aug '16 8:51:20 AM DVB
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There is, however, one category of change that's an interesting exception: the "graduation" of {{Sidekick}}s to become independent heroes in their own right, or [[LegacyCharacter assume their mentor's mantle]]. Perhaps it is only because this tends to be accompanied by [[ComicBookTime finally aging the character from a teen to an adult]], and even in the RetCon-happy world of comics, reversing that without breaking the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief is hard.

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There is, however, one category of change that's an interesting exception: the "graduation" of {{Sidekick}}s to become independent heroes in their own right, or [[LegacyCharacter assume their mentor's mantle]]. Perhaps it is only because this tends to be accompanied by [[ComicBookTime finally aging the character from a teen to an adult]], and even in the RetCon-happy world of comics, reversing that without breaking the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief is hard.
hard (with the possible exception being large-scale Reboots, since everything for the most part is turned back to square 1).



* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]] [[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand fashion and was given his title and legacy back. After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all LegacyCharacter s who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West '''earned''' to become The Flash.

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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]] [[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand fashion and was given his title and legacy back.back (with the other younger Wally West revealed to be the original's cousin, both named after their great grandfather, allowing both characters to remain and the younger Wally to have a chance to carve his own path). After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all LegacyCharacter s who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West '''earned''' to become The Flash.
21st Jul '16 9:16:21 AM bellemoonflower
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** Bart Allen is a subversion. Originally Impulse, then Kid Flash, then the Flash, then dead, then back to Kid Flash. After the ComicBook/{{New 52}} kicked in, his time as Impulse & the Flash was erased and now he's a ''different'' & the first Kid Flash.

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** Bart Allen is a subversion. Originally Impulse, then Kid Flash, then the Flash, then dead, then back to Kid Flash. After the ComicBook/{{New 52}} kicked in, his time as Impulse & the Flash was erased and now he's a ''different'' & the first Kid Flash.
21st Jul '16 9:08:29 AM bellemoonflower
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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]][[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand way and was given his title and legacy back. After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all LegacyCharacters who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West ''earned'' to become The Flash.

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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]][[RaceLift old]] [[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand way fashion and was given his title and legacy back. After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all LegacyCharacters LegacyCharacter s who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West ''earned'' '''earned''' to become The Flash.
21st Jul '16 8:58:45 AM bellemoonflower
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* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]][[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand way and was given his title and legacy back. After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals.

to:

* Wally West, aka ComicBook/TheFlash, '''is''' the greatest example of this trope, even after the attempts at a subversion. After the second Flash, Barry Allen, died in the ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, Wally stepped up from the role of Kid Flash to Flash. Over the course of a quarter-century, he appeared in more issues of ''Flash'' than Barry, in ''far'' more spin-off comics and team-up books, was a founding member of four different incarnations of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, appeared in the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' animated series, and acquired his own stable of supporting cast. Then Barry came back, ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'' happened, and in the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}},'' Wally has been {{retgone}}'d, along with most of his supporting cast. His graduation stuck so hard, GeoffJohns had to ''wipe him out of existence'' in order to un-stick it. (Bonus points for Barry being [[ContinuityRebooter personally responsible for the wiping]].) Later on, they introduced him as a [[AgeLift 12 year old]][[RaceLift troubled biracial child]] to get back him down to his Kid Flash role again. This faced a [[InternetBacklash massive backlash from the fans]] and the overall decline in interest resulted in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', where the original version of the character returned in a grand way and was given his title and legacy back. After the one-shot, Flash:Rebirth tie in had Barry re-crowning him to mantle again, essentially making them equals. Out of all LegacyCharacters who held their mantles for short periods of time only to [[StatusQuoIsGod revert back to their previous positions]], Wally West ''earned'' to become The Flash.
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