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7th Jun '16 2:14:47 PM FlyingDuckManGenesis
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'' episode, "[[Recap/TheLoudHouseS1E9OvernightSuccessTiesThatBind Ties That Bind]]", when the twins, Lola and Lana are trying to decide who gets to use the bathroom first, it is revealed that Lana is two minutes older than Lola.
3rd Jun '16 3:04:47 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''SevenLittleMonsters'': One frequently asserts authority (or at least attempts to) by saying she's the oldest. Someone (usually Four) almost always snarks that she's only the oldest by a few seconds. One's typical response is, "And oh what a difference those few seconds make."
* In ''TalesFromTheCryptkeeper,'' PrinceCharming is NoHeroToHisValet like ''whoa.'' Who is his valet? His "younger" brother, who is actually a twin but doesn't get the inheritance or status due to not being the first one to pop out. "Ten seconds! Ten ''lousy seconds!!''" is his CatchPhrase, usually uttered when his bro does something Jerkass-ish (which is often.) He refuses to call him Prince Charming, as well - the prince's real name is Chuck.

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* ''SevenLittleMonsters'': ''WesternAnimation/SevenLittleMonsters'': One frequently asserts authority (or at least attempts to) by saying she's the oldest. Someone (usually Four) almost always snarks that she's only the oldest by a few seconds. One's typical response is, "And oh what a difference those few seconds make."
* In ''TalesFromTheCryptkeeper,'' ''WesternAnimation/TalesFromTheCryptkeeper,'' PrinceCharming is NoHeroToHisValet like ''whoa.'' Who is his valet? His "younger" brother, who is actually a twin but doesn't get the inheritance or status due to not being the first one to pop out. "Ten seconds! Ten ''lousy seconds!!''" is his CatchPhrase, usually uttered when his bro does something Jerkass-ish (which is often.) He refuses to call him Prince Charming, as well - the prince's real name is Chuck.
24th May '16 11:41:26 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* When the Auditors of Reality obtain bodies in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'', they begin to argue about who incarnated first because "seniority is seniority".

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* ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'': When the Auditors of Reality obtain bodies in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'', they begin to argue about who incarnated first because "seniority is seniority".



* And in Creator/PeterDavid's ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Star Trek: TNG]]'' novel "Vendetta", Picard's old Academy classmate Morgan Korsmo tries to give him orders because he got his captain's pips a few weeks before Picard.
* The "promoted two minutes earlier is still seniority" variant was used in Creator/AaronAllston's ''[[Literature/XWingSeries Wraith Squadron]]'' novels.
* Done with Apollo and Artemis in the ''Literature/{{Percy Jackson|and the Olympians}}'' series.

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* And in In Creator/PeterDavid's ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Star Trek: TNG]]'' novel "Vendetta", Picard's old Academy classmate Morgan Korsmo tries to give him orders because he got his captain's pips a few weeks before Picard.
* *''Literature/XWingSeries'': The "promoted two minutes earlier is still seniority" variant was used in Creator/AaronAllston's ''[[Literature/XWingSeries '' Wraith Squadron]]'' novels.
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* Done with Apollo and Artemis in the ''Literature/{{Percy Jackson|and the Olympians}}'' series.Olympians}}'': Done with Apollo and Artemis.



** This becomes even more absurd when you realize that, in most versions of [[Myth/ClassicalMythology the source material]], it was ''Artemis'' who was born first. And helped her mother deliver Apollo, no less. Myth/ClassicalMythology is weird.
* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] because Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not.

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** This becomes even more absurd when you realize that, in most versions of [[Myth/ClassicalMythology the source material]], it was ''Artemis'' who was born first. And first, and helped her mother deliver Apollo, no less. Myth/ClassicalMythology is weird.
* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] because Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not.]]



* Subverted with a double twist in ''Sea Legs'', a children's novel by Alex Shearer. Eric and Clive are twins, though not identical ones, and Clive is perfectly willing to admit that he was born second but only, he insists, because Eric shoved him out of the way when they were being born. [[spoiler:At the end of the novel, the midwife who was there when Eric and Clive were born pays a visit and reveals that she had gotten them mixed up, that it was actually Clive who was born first. Becoming the eldest changes Clive's perspective on life.]]
* PlayedWith in ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}:'' when [[PuppeteerParasite Yeerk]] twins are born, one is somehow designated "primary" and the other "lesser," which is basically built in ParentalFavoritism (except not actually by the parents, [[DeathByChildbirth since they die giving birth]]). [[BigBad Visser Three]] is actually a twin, and always got opportunities for advancement over his brother. Esplin-9466 Lesser responded by becoming rich and powerful in human society [[BreadMilkEggsSquick and also becoming a cannibalistic serial killer]].

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* Subverted with a double twist in ''Sea Legs'', Legs'': a children's novel by Alex Shearer.Shearer has a twist on this trope. Eric and Clive are twins, though not identical ones, and Clive is perfectly willing to admit that he was born second but only, he insists, because Eric shoved him out of the way when they were being born. [[spoiler:At the end of the novel, the midwife who was there when Eric and Clive were born pays a visit and reveals that she had gotten them mixed up, that it was actually Clive who was born first. Becoming the eldest changes Clive's perspective on life.]]
* PlayedWith in ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}:'' when [[PuppeteerParasite Yeerk]] twins are born, one is somehow designated "primary" and the other "lesser," which is basically built in built-in ParentalFavoritism (except not actually by the parents, [[DeathByChildbirth since they die giving birth]]). [[BigBad Visser Three]] is actually a twin, and always got opportunities for advancement over his brother. Esplin-9466 Lesser responded by becoming rich and powerful in human society [[BreadMilkEggsSquick and also becoming a cannibalistic serial killer]].
*''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Forge Enaz insists that he is older than his twin Sister, Annala, despite their mother telling him that neither is older than the other every time it comes up. He still acts like Annala's big brother because of his BigBrotherInstinct.



* Zack is ten minutes older than Cody in ''Series/TheSuiteLifeOfZackAndCody'', and he has no problems making sure his brother remembers that fact.

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* ''Series/TheSuiteLifeOfZackAndCody'': Zack is ten minutes older than Cody in ''Series/TheSuiteLifeOfZackAndCody'', and he has no problems making sure his brother remembers that fact.
8th May '16 5:26:03 PM Eievie
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Twins often argue, among themselves or with others, about the respect they are due because of age, even though the difference is minuscule. In the most common form, Twin A will attempt to give their side leverage by saying that he/she is oldest, which will cause Twin B to retort "Yeah, by five minutes" and therefore defuse such an argument. If it fails to defuse it, it can easily spiral into an ArgumentOfContradictions, since neither side will generally have any actual proof.

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Twins often argue, among themselves or with others, about the respect they are due because of age, even though the difference is minuscule. In the most common form, Twin A Alice will attempt to give their her side leverage by saying that he/she she is oldest, which will cause Twin B Bob to retort "Yeah, by five minutes" and therefore defuse such an argument. If it fails to defuse it, it can easily spiral into an ArgumentOfContradictions, since neither side will generally have any actual proof.



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12th Apr '16 5:39:26 AM Berrenta
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7th Apr '16 10:34:01 AM eroock
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* An interview with the band Tokio Hotel, which includes identical twins:

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* An interview with the band Tokio Hotel, Music/TokioHotel, which includes identical twins:
28th Mar '16 1:30:56 PM Morgenthaler
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* The seniority of rank example also occurs in the 1964 film ''{{Zulu}}'', between Lieutenant Chard and Lieutenant Bromhead. This [[WildMassGuessing might have been]] the origin for the ''[[Series/StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]'' example.

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* The seniority of rank example also occurs in the 1964 film ''{{Zulu}}'', ''Film/{{Zulu}}'', between Lieutenant Chard and Lieutenant Bromhead. This [[WildMassGuessing might have been]] the origin for the ''[[Series/StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]'' example.



* ''SweetValleyHigh'': "Elizabeth was 4 minutes older than Jessica, but sometimes it felt more like 4 years..."

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* ''SweetValleyHigh'': ''Literature/SweetValleyHigh'': "Elizabeth was 4 minutes older than Jessica, but sometimes it felt more like 4 years..."



* ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] because Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not.

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* ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''The Horse and His Boy''. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] because Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not.



* Zack is ten minutes older than Cody in ''TheSuiteLifeOfZackAndCody'', and he has no problems making sure his brother remembers that fact.

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* Zack is ten minutes older than Cody in ''TheSuiteLifeOfZackAndCody'', ''Series/TheSuiteLifeOfZackAndCody'', and he has no problems making sure his brother remembers that fact.
24th Mar '16 12:29:50 PM Willbyr
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* In ''{{Naruto}}'', Hiashi Hyuga was born seconds before Hizashi. The difference is especially crucial in the Hyuga clan, as Hiashi grew up to become head of the clan, while Hizashi was made into a branch house member and expected to obey Hiashi [[spoiler:and give his life to protect him... or so Neji thought]], under threat of his cursed seal activating and causing him pain or killing him.

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* In ''{{Naruto}}'', ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Hiashi Hyuga was born seconds before Hizashi. The difference is especially crucial in the Hyuga clan, as Hiashi grew up to become head of the clan, while Hizashi was made into a branch house member and expected to obey Hiashi [[spoiler:and give his life to protect him... or so Neji thought]], under threat of his cursed seal activating and causing him pain or killing him.



* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in ''LuckyStar''. Tsukasa tells Kagami it's good she's older, because it would be bad for an older sister to need so much help with schoolwork from the younger. Kagami tells her [[BokeAndTsukkomiRoutine it's bad anyway]].
* Despite being twins, Unsui of ''{{Eyeshield 21}}'' is referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. It's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the AnnoyingYoungerSibling trope.
* In ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In ''Audioplay/StrikerSSoundStageX'' and ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid'', [[spoiler:Nove]] is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's [[spoiler:Subaru]]'s ''younger'' sister after her adoption.
* Vash and Knives' screwed-up relationship in {{Trigun}} contains shades of this. Since no one was actually watching when they were born and their mother couldn't talk even if she hadn't apparently suffered DeathByChildbirth, they don't know who's older. They're also theoretically speaking English, even though they're actually speaking Japanese, and since the normal Japanese words for brother require knowledge of birth order they use the vague and slightly standoffish term 'kyoudai,' or 'sibling' most of the time. Knives appears to have appointed himself older in a lot of their interactions, but when they were kids this role (in the manga) very slightly defaulted to Vash, and he has the responsibility to 'take care of Knives.'

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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] {{Inverted|Trope}} in ''LuckyStar''.''Manga/LuckyStar''. Tsukasa tells Kagami it's good she's older, because it would be bad for an older sister to need so much help with schoolwork from the younger. Kagami tells her [[BokeAndTsukkomiRoutine it's bad anyway]].
* Despite being twins, Unsui of ''{{Eyeshield ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'' is referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. It's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the AnnoyingYoungerSibling trope.
* In ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In ''Audioplay/StrikerSSoundStageX'' and ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid'', [[spoiler:Nove]] is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's [[spoiler:Subaru]]'s ''younger'' sister after her adoption.
* Vash and Knives' screwed-up relationship in {{Trigun}} ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' contains shades of this. Since no one was actually watching when they were born and their mother couldn't talk even if she hadn't apparently suffered DeathByChildbirth, they don't know who's older. They're also theoretically speaking English, even though they're actually speaking Japanese, and since the normal Japanese words for brother require knowledge of birth order they use the vague and slightly standoffish term 'kyoudai,' or 'sibling' most of the time. Knives appears to have appointed himself older in a lot of their interactions, but when they were kids this role (in the manga) very slightly defaulted to Vash, and he has the responsibility to 'take care of Knives.'
24th Mar '16 10:33:32 AM eroock
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-- ''MuppetBabies''
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-->-- ''WesternAnimation/MuppetBabies''
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