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9th Dec '17 6:28:23 PM ading
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* ''Webcomic/MenageA3'' has a serious example of in-universe self-ghettoisation. The geeky Gary gets a free trip to Paris with a sexually voracious fashion model -- and his idea of fun there is to dive into a ''computer games shop''.
9th Dec '17 5:32:31 PM ading
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* ''[[InvertedTrope Inverted]]'' with ''Series/{{Caprica}}'', which has experienced issues with attracting fans because it doesn't have ''[[WhatAnIdiot enough]]'' spaceships or explosions. Apparently there's no room for science fiction on television that isn't an ActionAdventure or a SpaceOpera (which, by the way, it is by some measures: it's a (good) ''SoapOpera'' *''ahem'' FamilyDrama* [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]!).

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* ''[[InvertedTrope Inverted]]'' with ''Series/{{Caprica}}'', which has experienced issues with attracting fans because it doesn't have ''[[WhatAnIdiot enough]]'' ''enough'' spaceships or explosions. Apparently there's no room for science fiction on television that isn't an ActionAdventure or a SpaceOpera (which, by the way, it is by some measures: it's a (good) ''SoapOpera'' *''ahem'' FamilyDrama* [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]!).
9th Dec '17 5:27:38 PM ading
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* John Wyndham's ''Literature/{{The Chrysalids}}'' has a Penguin edition with an editor's note, to paraphrase - sadly this was released into the genre known as science fiction, which isn't the case here. This troper recalls a deriding message from the editor, which is a funny case in retrospect, with the book being a sci-fi tropes adherent.

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* John Wyndham's ''Literature/{{The Chrysalids}}'' has a Penguin edition with an editor's note, to paraphrase - sadly this was released into the genre known as science fiction, which isn't the case here. This troper recalls a deriding message from the editor, which is a funny case in retrospect, with the book being a sci-fi tropes adherent.
9th Dec '17 4:58:27 PM ading
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* ''Film/TheMartian'' broke out of the ghetto in terms of audiences and critics. However when it came to the Golden Globes, it was curiously nominated in the 'Musical or Comedy' categories - despite being a clear drama. While its protagonist does crack a few one-liners and the film is a little light-hearted, it was marketed as a sci-fi adventure. Ridley Scott even took a shot at the ghetto when accepting his award, saying "comedy?" and raising his eyebrows.
9th Dec '17 4:54:25 PM ading
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* Prior to the 1930s, almost all American horror films were careful to provide plausible explanations for any seemingly supernatural story elements, as seen in ''London After Midnight,'' ''[[Film/ThePhantomOfTheOpera1925 The Phantom of the Opera]],'' ''The Cat and the Canary,'' etc. It was generally believed that audiences considered the supernatural silly and wouldn't take such a film seriously. Browning's ''Film/[[Dracula1931 Dracula]]'' was considered a major risk for Universal specifically because it contained no cop outs: the vampire really was a vampire, and the film's (now lost) coda went out of its way to make absolutely certain audiences knew it.

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* Prior to the 1930s, almost all American horror films were careful to provide plausible explanations for any seemingly supernatural story elements, as seen in ''London After Midnight,'' ''[[Film/ThePhantomOfTheOpera1925 The Phantom of the Opera]],'' ''The Cat and the Canary,'' etc. It was generally believed that audiences considered the supernatural silly and wouldn't take such a film seriously. Browning's ''Film/[[Dracula1931 ''[[Film/Dracula1931 Dracula]]'' was considered a major risk for Universal specifically because it contained no cop outs: the vampire really was a vampire, and the film's (now lost) coda went out of its way to make absolutely certain audiences knew it.
27th Nov '17 4:19:25 PM nombretomado
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** ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' won a HugoAward and was declared one of the 100 best English-language novels by ''Time''. When people read it, they are often stunned by its depth... ''when'' they read it. When they don't, they say, "Oh, if it's so good, why isn't it [[QualityByPopularVote as popular as Batman and Superman]] comics?"

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** ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' won a HugoAward UsefulNotes/HugoAward and was declared one of the 100 best English-language novels by ''Time''. When people read it, they are often stunned by its depth... ''when'' they read it. When they don't, they say, "Oh, if it's so good, why isn't it [[QualityByPopularVote as popular as Batman and Superman]] comics?"



** The {{Hugo Award}}s added a one-time category "Other Forms", which is the award that ''Watchmen'' won. Some thought that this was an attempt to avoid having to give the "best novel" award to a comic book. In 2009 though, they added a separate category for Best Graphic Story (won by the then-current print volume of ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'').

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** The {{Hugo UsefulNotes/{{Hugo Award}}s added a one-time category "Other Forms", which is the award that ''Watchmen'' won. Some thought that this was an attempt to avoid having to give the "best novel" award to a comic book. In 2009 though, they added a separate category for Best Graphic Story (won by the then-current print volume of ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'').
21st Nov '17 6:45:38 PM nombretomado
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*** The SciFiGhetto is part of why ''Doctor Who'' got cancelled in the first place back in the 80's: BBC controller Michael Grade not only loathed the science fiction genre but also [[FanHater its fans]], and did everything in his power to get ''Doctor Who'' cancelled so the BBC could focus more on dramas. This included slashing the budget and episode count, putting the show on hiatus for 18 months, firing ColinBaker, and scheduling ''Doctor Who'' against ''Series/CoronationStreet'' so it would get crushed in the ratings. Unfortunately for him, the Queen is a massive ''Doctor Who'' fan, so [[LaserGuidedKarma he remains the only BBC controller who's never been knighted]].

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*** The SciFiGhetto is part of why ''Doctor Who'' got cancelled in the first place back in the 80's: BBC controller Michael Grade not only loathed the science fiction genre but also [[FanHater its fans]], and did everything in his power to get ''Doctor Who'' cancelled so the BBC could focus more on dramas. This included slashing the budget and episode count, putting the show on hiatus for 18 months, firing ColinBaker, Creator/ColinBaker, and scheduling ''Doctor Who'' against ''Series/CoronationStreet'' so it would get crushed in the ratings. Unfortunately for him, the Queen is a massive ''Doctor Who'' fan, so [[LaserGuidedKarma he remains the only BBC controller who's never been knighted]].
29th Oct '17 10:39:23 AM LentilSandEater
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** FridgeBrilliance: Writing a good novel is always easier than intentionally writing a SoBadItsGood trashy novel, instead of just trashy trite, like the novels they're probably writing at level 0.
14th Oct '17 8:44:59 PM ElSquibbonator
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Last but certainly not least, there's the romance genre. In general, many critics view {{romance novel}}s as nothing but the ExtrudedBookProduct of companies like Harlequin and the worst depths of [[YoungAdultLiterature YA fiction]], pandering to a LowestCommonDenominator of housewives and teenage girls who want to dream of an exciting new man. Romantic films get treated with a bit more respect, especially older ones (see: ''Film/{{Casablanca}}'', ''Film/AnnieHall'', much of Creator/AudreyHepburn's filmography), but the very existence of the term ChickFlick shows that the stereotype exists there, too. In this case, it typically overlaps heavily with the GirlShowGhetto.

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Last but certainly not least, there's the romance genre. In general, many critics view {{romance novel}}s as nothing but the ExtrudedBookProduct of companies like Harlequin and the worst depths of [[YoungAdultLiterature YA fiction]], pandering to a LowestCommonDenominator of housewives and teenage girls who want to dream of an exciting new man. Romantic films get treated with a bit more respect, especially older ones (see: ''Film/{{Casablanca}}'', ''Film/AnnieHall'', much of Creator/AudreyHepburn's filmography), but the very existence of the term ChickFlick shows that the stereotype exists there, too. In this case, it typically overlaps heavily with the GirlShowGhetto.
GirlShowGhetto, the implication being that no self-respecting man would ever read a romance novel.
6th Oct '17 2:39:07 PM DRickard
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*** Creator/ToshitoMifune was actually the first choice to play Obi-Wan and he turned it down for a similar reason, along with the fact he was self conscious about his English skills.

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*** Creator/ToshitoMifune Creator/ToshiroMifune was actually the first choice to play Obi-Wan and he turned it down for a similar reason, along with the fact he was self conscious about his English skills.
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