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15th Sep '17 12:47:52 PM MarqFJA
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** ''Doctor Who'' also has an odd sort of [[spoiler:[[DoubleSubversion double]]]] subversion in the case of the Ood, who are a Cthulhumanoid SlaveRace with no real individuality. They're treated as something to be both pitiable and sort of revolting, but in their second appearance [[spoiler:it's revealed that they have a sort of HiveMind connected by the Ood Brain, meaning that when freed they are ''still'' completely dogmatic. They even ''punish'' the villain of the episode by transforming him into an Ood to be "looked after" by the Brain, but are still treated as a sympathetic race.]]

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** ''Doctor Who'' also has an odd sort of [[spoiler:[[DoubleSubversion double]]]] subversion in the case of the Ood, who are a Cthulhumanoid {{Cthulhumanoid}} SlaveRace with no real individuality. They're treated as something to be both pitiable and sort of revolting, but in their second appearance [[spoiler:it's revealed that they have a sort of HiveMind connected by the Ood Brain, meaning that when freed they are ''still'' completely dogmatic. They even ''punish'' the villain of the episode by transforming him into an Ood to be "looked after" by the Brain, but are still treated as a sympathetic race.]]
15th Sep '17 12:32:29 PM MarqFJA
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* In ''Film/StarshipTroopers'', the United Citizen Federation (the equivalent of the [[Literature/StarshipTroopers original novel]]'s Terran Federation) is depicted as blatantly fascist. This stands in contrast with the novel, in which the Terran Federation contains nothing that even really resembles fascism. It does depict that military service is necessary to gain the vote and serve in a couple of restricted professions like cops... but that has never been an element of any fascist state in the real world, let alone a defining characteristic, and the book makes the point that this is the ''only'' difference between a resident and a citizen. Residents otherwise have exactly the same rights as citizens. Elements of Fascism that are ''absent'' are legion - there is no Führer nor anything remotely like one, and whilst government is made of veterans the active military plays no part in government whatever (the right to vote doesn't kick in until they retire, because, as one of the characters mentions, otherwise the soldiers would all vote never to go to war). There is no state control of the economy, no state control of the media, the military is tiny and is largely ignored or despised by the population, questioning of authority is not only not repressed, it's carefully encouraged... really the society depicted is closer to a liberal democracy than anything. One reason fans of the book so disliked the movie was that every fascist element in it was tacked onto the story, not originating from the book at all.
** Although the film emphasizes military service as a requirement to earn citizenship, in the novel many forms of social work and service to the community also lead to citizenship. The general concept is "if you're willing to sacrifice for the good of society, then you're the kind of person that should be allowed to have a say in how it's run."
** It does pretty strongly support coporal and capital punishment, along with {{violence really is the answer}}, but that's hardly specific to fascism.



** The ''novel'' contains nothing that even really resembles fascism. It does depict that military service is necessary to gain the vote and serve in a couple of restricted professions like cops... but that has never been an element of any fascist state in the real world, let alone a defining characteristic, and the book makes the point that this is the ''only'' difference between a resident and a citizen. Residents otherwise have exactly the same rights as citizens. Elements of Fascism that are ''absent'' are legion - there is no Führer nor anything remotely like one, and whilst government is made of veterans the active military plays no part in government whatever (the right to vote doesn't kick in until they retire, because, as one of the characters mentions, otherwise the soldiers would all vote never to go to war). There is no state control of the economy, no state control of the media, the military is tiny and is largely ignored or despised by the population, questioning of authority is not only not repressed, it's carefully encouraged... really the society depicted is closer to a liberal democracy than anything. One reason fans of the book so disliked the movie was that every fascist element in it was tacked onto the story, not originating from the book at all.
** Although the film emphasizes military service as a requirement to earn citizenship, in the novel many forms of social work and service to the community also lead to citizenship. The general concept is "if you're willing to sacrifice for the good of society, then you're the kind of person that should be allowed to have a say in how it's run."
** It does pretty strongly support coporal and capital punishment, along with {{violence really is the answer}}, but that's hardly specific to fascism.
14th Sep '17 10:26:01 AM MarqFJA
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-->--'''Shas'O O'Mau'tel''',''Tau Empire'', ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''

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-->--'''Shas'O O'Mau'tel''',''Tau O'Mau'tel''', ''Tau Empire'', ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''
14th Sep '17 10:20:14 AM MarqFJA
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** ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': The [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orks]] live to fight and do a lot of conquering and subjugation... though the actual reason they fight is not to conquer, or to subjugate, or even to win, but [[BloodKnight because they love it]]. They're considered ''the comic relief'', and that should tell you everything else you need to know about the setting.

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** * ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': The [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orks]] live to fight and do a lot of conquering and subjugation... though the actual reason they fight is not to conquer, or to subjugate, or even to win, but [[BloodKnight because they love it]]. They're considered ''the comic relief'', and that should tell you everything else you need to know about the setting.
14th Sep '17 9:15:17 AM MarqFJA
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** According to Joshua, the Gua used to be peaceful beings, whose favorite pasttime was comtemplating the universe, until they were invaded by a violent race. This forced them to radically alter their society in order to fight off the invaders. The name Gua means "the power to overcome".

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** According to Joshua, the Gua used to be peaceful beings, whose favorite pasttime was comtemplating contemplating the universe, until they were invaded by a violent race. This forced them to radically alter their society in order to fight off the invaders. The name Gua means "the power to overcome".
12th Sep '17 3:50:22 AM Gess
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** The aforementioned doctrinal enemies, the Shadows, are Scary Darwinian Aliens. They share Vorlons' dedication to the upbringing business, but their approach is distinctly simpler: they go out there and start killing people, and also incite others to do the same. In spades. If their "trainees" are worth their salt, they'll mount a defence and repel the invaders, thereby becoming smarter and tougher. And if they don't, oh well, natural selection is a harsh mistress, and there are always other races.

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** The aforementioned doctrinal enemies, the Shadows, are Scary Darwinian Aliens. They share Vorlons' dedication to the upbringing business, but their approach is distinctly simpler: more straightforward: every thousand years they go out there in the galaxy and start killing people, and also incite others to do the same. In spades. If their "trainees" are worth their salt, they'll mount a defence and repel the invaders, thereby becoming smarter and tougher. And if they don't, oh well, natural selection is a harsh mistress, and there are always other races.
10th Sep '17 7:27:45 PM SkidTroper
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The most recent evolution of the trope (though despite being recent [[UnfortunateImplications it's also the most popular according to the list below]]). It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of [[TakeThat whatever expression of faith or religious beliefs the author dislikes. This is two sides of the same coin, the focus going from "promoting atheism" to "lampooning religion". [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalists hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]

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The most recent evolution of the trope (though despite being recent [[UnfortunateImplications it's also the most popular according to the list below]]). It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of [[TakeThat whatever expression of faith or religious beliefs the author dislikes. dislikes]]. This is two sides of the same coin, the focus going from "promoting atheism" to "lampooning religion". [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalists hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]
10th Sep '17 7:27:22 PM SkidTroper
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The most recent evolution of the trope (though despite being recent [[UnforuntateImplications it's also the most popular according to the list below]]). It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of [[TakeThat whatever expression of faith or religious beliefs the author dislikes. This is two sides of the same coin, the focus going from "promoting atheism" to "lampooning religion". [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]

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The most recent evolution of the trope (though despite being recent [[UnforuntateImplications [[UnfortunateImplications it's also the most popular according to the list below]]). It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of [[TakeThat whatever expression of faith or religious beliefs the author dislikes. This is two sides of the same coin, the focus going from "promoting atheism" to "lampooning religion". [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist Fundamentalists hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]
10th Sep '17 7:22:38 PM SkidTroper
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The most recent evolution of the trope. It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of [[TakeThat whatever expression of faith or religious beliefs the author dislikes regardless of whether its aggressive or benign (sometimes applied to being religious in and of itself)]]. This is essentially two sides of the same coin, the focus going from "promoting atheism" to "lampooning religion". [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]

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The most recent evolution of the trope. trope (though despite being recent [[UnforuntateImplications it's also the most popular according to the list below]]). It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of [[TakeThat whatever expression of faith or religious beliefs the author dislikes regardless of whether its aggressive or benign (sometimes applied to being religious in and of itself)]]. dislikes. This is essentially two sides of the same coin, the focus going from "promoting atheism" to "lampooning religion". [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]



** The Tau, often affectionately referred to as "Blue Space Commies", are mainly Communistic Conquistadores with a rather large helping of the FlatEarthAtheist analogue of Religious Fundamentalism.

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** The Tau, often affectionately referred to as "Blue Space Commies", are mainly Communistic Conquistadores with a rather large helping of the FlatEarthAtheist analogue of Religious Fundamentalism.Fundamentalism (or a softer version of militant atheism).



* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' has the Kett, who [[UpToEleven combined all four types]]. They represent "aliens as Nazis" due to their fixation with genetic purity, charismatic psychopath leader and an associated fixation with [[TheyWouldCutYouUp invasive scientific procedures]]. They represent "aliens as communists" through the [[CloneByConversion exaltation process]] making all non-kett into kett as an example of literal assimilation. They represent "aliens as religious fundamentalists" as the exaltation process is considered holy and some of their imagery and titles are directly ripped from real-life religions. They represent "aliens as conquistadors" as they have come to a new land to convert the native population and often times has had skirmishes with another foreign civilization.

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* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' has the Kett, who [[UpToEleven combined all four types]]. types]], particularly types 1 and 3. They represent "aliens as Nazis" due to their fixation with genetic purity, hating all non-kett, putting them in prison camps or death camps, charismatic psychopath leader and an associated fixation with [[TheyWouldCutYouUp invasive scientific procedures]]. They represent "aliens as communists" through the [[CloneByConversion exaltation process]] making all non-kett into kett as an example of literal assimilation. They represent "aliens as religious fundamentalists" as the exaltation process is considered holy and some of their imagery and titles are is directly ripped from real-life religions. religions, along with one title from Gnosticism (Archon) and two from Christianity (Cardinal and Primus). They represent "aliens as conquistadors" as they have come to a new land to convert the native population and often times has had skirmishes with another foreign civilization.
10th Sep '17 7:06:14 PM SkidTroper
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