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24th Mar '17 4:33:02 PM BillyDaRed
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*** According to WordOfGod, they're also a lot more [[InformedAttribute technologically advanced than the peoples of Ferelden]]. For instance, the Qunari are supposed to have developed gunpowder weapons such as cannons. [[FantasyGunControl While this is never shown and only rarely mentioned in-game]], this would definitely qualify them as ''[[OutsideGenreFoe Aliens as Conquistadors]]'' (or at least ''[[DecadeDissonance Aliens as Ottomans]]'') as well.
** The term "Qunari" isn't even the name of their race, but, rather, it refers to anyone who follows the Qun. The name of their race ''was'' "Kossith," but they're so dogmatic that they haven't used that term in centuries, at least. It's just an example of how devoted they are: their philosophy sees no difference between the grey skinned horned giants and spindly elves, so they do not even have a name for their own race. Even "Kossith" isn't the name of their race. It's the philosophy that predated the Qun.

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*** According to WordOfGod, they're also a lot more [[InformedAttribute technologically advanced than the peoples of Ferelden]]. For instance, the Qunari are supposed to have developed gunpowder weapons such as cannons. [[FantasyGunControl While this is never shown and only rarely mentioned in-game]], in-game]]. Combined with their plans to spread across Thedas, this would definitely also qualify them as ''[[OutsideGenreFoe Aliens as Conquistadors]]'' (or at least ''[[DecadeDissonance Aliens as Ottomans]]'') as well.
** The term "Qunari" isn't even the name of their race, but, rather, it refers to anyone who follows the Qun. The name of their race ''was'' "Kossith," but they're so dogmatic that they haven't used that term in centuries, at least. It's just an example of how devoted they are: their philosophy sees no difference between the grey skinned horned giants and spindly elves, so they do not even have a name for their own race. Even "Kossith" isn't the name of their race. It's the philosophy that predated the Qun.



** ''VideoGames/MassEffectAndromeda'' adds the Kett. The Kett titles, social structure [[spoiler: and reproduction center]] evokes a considerable amount of religious imagery, though they more closely resemble a {{cult}}. Given [[spoiler:their [[CloneByConversion reproduction method]]]] they could be likened to a BreedingCult.

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** ''VideoGames/MassEffectAndromeda'' adds ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' has the Kett. The Kett titles, social structure [[spoiler: and reproduction center]] evokes a considerable amount of religious imagery, though they more closely resemble a {{cult}}. Given [[spoiler:their [[CloneByConversion reproduction method]]]] they could be likened to a BreedingCult.
24th Mar '17 4:25:44 PM BillyDaRed
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** Necrons. Once an ancient and technologically sophisticated race, now a SealedEvilInACan in a particularly nightmarish way at the command of the C'Tan Star Gods. TheJuggernaut, {{Determinator}}, CosmicHorror, and just barely shy of a race of {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s.

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** Necrons. Once Prior to the recton. Then they were an ancient and technologically sophisticated race, now a SealedEvilInACan in a particularly nightmarish way at the command of the C'Tan Star Gods. TheJuggernaut, {{Determinator}}, CosmicHorror, and just barely shy of a race of {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s.



** Tau are, sometimes, an ''inversion'' of this subtrope. They're {{Flat Earth Atheist}}s, and have stated [[VideoGame/DawnOfWar in some materials]] that they don't really mind people being religious as long as they serve the Greater Good. (This being 40K, religious tolerance in this form is actually suicidal - [[ReligionOfEvil Chaos cults anyone]]?) While they are fanatically devoted to the Greater Good, generally speaking, this is usually depicted as a positive trait.

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** Tau are, sometimes, an ''inversion'' of this subtrope. They're {{Flat Earth Atheist}}s, and have stated [[VideoGame/DawnOfWar in some materials]] that they don't really mind people being religious as long as they serve the Greater Good. (This being 40K, religious tolerance in this form is actually suicidal (since they lack the discretion to make some religions acceptable but not others) - [[ReligionOfEvil Chaos cults anyone]]?) While they are fanatically devoted to the Greater Good, generally speaking, this is usually depicted as a positive trait.


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** ''VideoGames/MassEffectAndromeda'' adds the Kett. The Kett titles, social structure [[spoiler: and reproduction center]] evokes a considerable amount of religious imagery, though they more closely resemble a {{cult}}. Given [[spoiler:their [[CloneByConversion reproduction method]]]] they could be likened to a BreedingCult.
24th Mar '17 4:17:01 PM BillyDaRed
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The most recent evolution of the trope. It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of the [[SinisterMinister most tragic and extreme forms of human anti-social devotion]]. [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]

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The most recent evolution of the trope. It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of [[TakeThat whatever expression of faith or religious beliefs the author dislikes (sometimes being to applied to an entire religion or being religious in and of itself)]] or the [[SinisterMinister most tragic and extreme forms of human anti-social devotion]].devotion in real-life]]. [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]
24th Mar '17 4:12:35 PM BillyDaRed
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The most recent evolution of the trope. It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]]," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of the [[SinisterMinister most tragic and extreme forms of human anti-social devotion]]. [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]

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The most recent evolution of the trope. It's a step forward that SpeculativeFiction can now depict alien religion as extending beyond "advanced = [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions atheistic]]; primitive = [[GodGuise fooled into worshiping anyone with a PDA]]," PDA]] or worshiping a supernatural higher power," but it's also a step backward in that the new category of alien religion is more often than not just a [[AuthorTract thinly veiled allegory]] of the [[SinisterMinister most tragic and extreme forms of human anti-social devotion]]. [[ScaryAmoralReligion The Alien as Religious Fundamentalist hates humans because their god/gods told them to.]]
5th Mar '17 10:16:08 AM nombretomado
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* A subset of Skrulls now claim that the Earth belongs to them - as per their religious prophecies - laying the foundations for the ''Secret Invasion'' CrisisCrossover. They don't represent the entire species, however: during the Comicbook/{{Runaways}} / YoungAvengers crossover, Xavin refers to them as extremists (the Skrulls on his / her home planet find religion boring).
* MarvelComics has a race called the Uncreated. They know themselves to have been created by a PhysicalGod or [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens godlike alien.]] This gave them a massive inferiority complex, so they rose up and killed the being. They then launched an atheistic jihad against the rest of the cosmos, wiping out anyone who would not recant all religious belief. The Starjammers defeated them by tricking them into believing their "god" had returned. The Uncreated fleet committed suicide.

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* A subset of Skrulls now claim that the Earth belongs to them - as per their religious prophecies - laying the foundations for the ''Secret Invasion'' CrisisCrossover. They don't represent the entire species, however: during the Comicbook/{{Runaways}} / YoungAvengers ComicBook/YoungAvengers crossover, Xavin refers to them as extremists (the Skrulls on his / her home planet find religion boring).
* MarvelComics Creator/MarvelComics has a race called the Uncreated. They know themselves to have been created by a PhysicalGod or [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens godlike alien.]] This gave them a massive inferiority complex, so they rose up and killed the being. They then launched an atheistic jihad against the rest of the cosmos, wiping out anyone who would not recant all religious belief. The Starjammers defeated them by tricking them into believing their "god" had returned. The Uncreated fleet committed suicide.
22nd Feb '17 5:57:35 PM Martine34
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All [[TropesAreTools but the best writers]] end up giving in to this to some extent. Some actively revel in it.

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All [[TropesAreTools but the best writers]] end up giving in to this to some extent. Some of the best writers actively revel in it.
it. After all, it may be a story about aliens, but it is intended for a human audience(usually).
1st Feb '17 6:17:30 AM ShorinBJ
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* The Goa'uld and their followers in ''Series/StargateSG1'' fit this trope pretty well but the Ori fit it even better, all the way down to disputes over the meaning of symbolic passages in the very King James-sounding Book of Origin. The Goa'uld aren't so much dogmatic as create dogma around themselves to control their underlings. Even so, many Goa'uld believe their own propaganda. ([[MagnificentBastard Ba'al]] is that more dangerous because he doesn't. In the ''Continuum'' film, he convinces [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Teal'c]] to join him by promising him freedom for all Jaffa, as he knows that has been Teal'c's life-long dream. A god would, instead, demand obedience.)

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* The Goa'uld and their followers in ''Series/StargateSG1'' fit this trope pretty well but the Ori fit it even better, all the way down to disputes over the meaning of symbolic passages in the very King James-sounding Book of Origin. The Goa'uld aren't so much dogmatic as create dogma around themselves to control their underlings. Even so, many Goa'uld believe their own propaganda. ([[MagnificentBastard Ba'al]] is that more dangerous because [[GenreSavvy he doesn't. doesn't]]. In the ''Continuum'' film, he convinces [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Teal'c]] to join him by promising him freedom for all Jaffa, as he knows that has been Teal'c's life-long lifelong dream. A god would, instead, demand obedience.)
24th Jan '17 7:08:10 AM SLOOGOVS
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* Like Warhammer, in ''{{Rifts}}'' it is Humans who fit the mold, with the xenophobic, expansionist Coalition States. And, like the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' example in Television, this is entirely deliberate, with Emperor Prosek consciously emulating ThoseWackyNazis.

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* Like Warhammer, in ''{{Rifts}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Rifts}}'' it is Humans who fit the mold, with the xenophobic, expansionist Coalition States. And, like the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' example in Television, this is entirely deliberate, with Emperor Prosek consciously emulating ThoseWackyNazis.



* The alien Pod People from the 1956 ''InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers'' are an obvious allegory for Communism with all the replacements being devoid of emotion as well as being driven to infiltrate the rest of humanity and take them over as well. Apparently [[AccidentalAesop this was unintentional]]. Ironically, some interpretations have the aliens as representing [=McCarthyism=], and its need to crush anything perceived as too different.

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* The alien Pod People from the 1956 ''InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers'' ''Film/InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers'' are an obvious allegory for Communism with all the replacements being devoid of emotion as well as being driven to infiltrate the rest of humanity and take them over as well. Apparently [[AccidentalAesop this was unintentional]]. Ironically, some interpretations have the aliens as representing [=McCarthyism=], and its need to crush anything perceived as too different.



* Literature/TheTripods, with all humans being "capped" by mind-control devices at puberty to assimilate them, although the humans so assimilated [[spoiler:don't become part of the alien culture, but slaves to it, making it either an imperfect analogy or [[StrawmanPolitical an extra advanced one]].]]

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* Literature/TheTripods, ''Literature/TheTripods'', with all humans being "capped" by mind-control devices at puberty to assimilate them, although the humans so assimilated [[spoiler:don't become part of the alien culture, but slaves to it, making it either an imperfect analogy or [[StrawmanPolitical an extra advanced one]].]]



* Certain subtleties indicate the Autobots might be like this in [[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]], namely Optimus' "cog in the great Autobot machine" speech and the fact that the guys put out on space bridge repair duty all seem to be ones who either violated or disregarded conformist Autobot patriotism.

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* Certain subtleties indicate the Autobots might be like this in [[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]], ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]'', namely Optimus' "cog in the great Autobot machine" speech and the fact that the guys put out on space bridge repair duty all seem to be ones who either violated or disregarded conformist Autobot patriotism.



* The Idirans in [[Creator/IainBanks Iain M. Banks]]'s [[Literature/TheCulture Culture]] novels. The Idirans are more like imperialists than xenophobes, however; they want to conquer the galaxy so that they can improve it. The Chelgrians too, to some extent, with the addition that their heaven is a real place that their technology will take them when they die.

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* The Idirans in [[Creator/IainBanks Iain M. Banks]]'s [[Literature/TheCulture Culture]] ''[[Literature/TheCulture Culture]]'' novels. The Idirans are more like imperialists than xenophobes, however; they want to conquer the galaxy so that they can improve it. The Chelgrians too, to some extent, with the addition that their heaven is a real place that their technology will take them when they die.



* In SA Swann's Literature/{{Apotheosis}} series, the rogue alien {{AI}} turned nanocloud Adam wants everyone to worship him and undergo conversion into NanoMachines, or die.

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* In SA Swann's Literature/{{Apotheosis}} ''Literature/{{Apotheosis}}'' series, the rogue alien {{AI}} turned nanocloud Adam wants everyone to worship him and undergo conversion into NanoMachines, or die.



* The Rigelatins from [[VideoGame/DukeNukem Duke Nukem II]] game are rather nasty. Their leader presents himself as the [[CardCarryingVillain "evil conqueror"]] and their method to achieve victory is to kidnap Duke and [[MindRape steal his brain patterns]]. This process would leave Duke in a [[AndIMustScream paralyzed state of constant pain]]. "We'd kill you, you see, but our [[ReligionOfEvil religion]] prevents the interruption of suffering."

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* The Rigelatins from [[VideoGame/DukeNukem ''[[VideoGame/DukeNukem Duke Nukem II]] II]]'' game are rather nasty. Their leader presents himself as the [[CardCarryingVillain "evil conqueror"]] and their method to achieve victory is to kidnap Duke and [[MindRape steal his brain patterns]]. This process would leave Duke in a [[AndIMustScream paralyzed state of constant pain]]. "We'd kill you, you see, but our [[ReligionOfEvil religion]] prevents the interruption of suffering."



* The humans in Film/{{Avatar}}. They sound much like 18th-19th century Americans talking about Native Americans as they describe the Na'vi (blue-skinned aliens they're trying to conqueror) as "savages" and "barbarians".

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* The humans in Film/{{Avatar}}.''Film/{{Avatar}}''. They sound much like 18th-19th century Americans talking about Native Americans as they describe the Na'vi (blue-skinned aliens they're trying to conqueror) as "savages" and "barbarians".



* Another [[Creator/IainBanks Iain M. Banks]] [[Literature/TheCulture Culture]] example: the Affront. They appropriated this name from the Culture after deciding that since it suits them so well, they might as well just take it. Their entire civilization is based on Might Makes Right, and they are vicious and jovial in equal proportion.

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* Another [[Creator/IainBanks Iain M. Banks]] [[Literature/TheCulture Culture]] ''[[Literature/TheCulture Culture]]'' example: the Affront. They appropriated this name from the Culture after deciding that since it suits them so well, they might as well just take it. Their entire civilization is based on Might Makes Right, and they are vicious and jovial in equal proportion.



* Humans are (very obviously) this in the novel/short story collection "Literature/TheMartianChronicles."

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* Humans are (very obviously) this in the novel/short story collection "Literature/TheMartianChronicles."''Literature/TheMartianChronicles.''



* The Hierarchy in UniverseAtWar who have ruthlessly conquered thousand of other worlds, strip mined them of all resources, and wiped out any life forms that got in their way.

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* The Hierarchy in UniverseAtWar ''videoGame/UniverseAtWar'' who have ruthlessly conquered thousand of other worlds, strip mined them of all resources, and wiped out any life forms that got in their way.



* The Vasari SinsOfASolarEmpire a race of advance space faring aliens who arrived in trader space to plunder resources of Trader planets and enslave their populace. The Vasari use to be a large interstellar empire , but they are threaten by an unknown enemy that has destroyed their strongest fleets, and they have no idea who or what they are. So they leave their worlds and make a run for it, but when they arrive in trader space, they end up in a stalemate with the [[TheFederation TEC]] and the [[ChurchMilitant Advent]], and the unknown enemy is getting closer.

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* The Vasari SinsOfASolarEmpire ''VideoGame/SinsOfASolarEmpire'' a race of advance space faring aliens who arrived in trader space to plunder resources of Trader planets and enslave their populace. The Vasari use to be a large interstellar empire , but they are threaten by an unknown enemy that has destroyed their strongest fleets, and they have no idea who or what they are. So they leave their worlds and make a run for it, but when they arrive in trader space, they end up in a stalemate with the [[TheFederation TEC]] and the [[ChurchMilitant Advent]], and the unknown enemy is getting closer.



* The Ancients in {{Traveller}} were Scary Scientific Aliens. They experimented with other races like a curious teen-nerd watching his ant farm and squishing one every once in a while just to see how the others react.

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* The Ancients in {{Traveller}} ''TabletopGame/{{Traveller}}'' were Scary Scientific Aliens. They experimented with other races like a curious teen-nerd watching his ant farm and squishing one every once in a while just to see how the others react.
16th Jan '17 2:03:11 AM Luppercus
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* The [[Series/{{Teletubbies}} Teletubbies expy]] in ''WesternAnimation/MenInBlack'' episode "The Star System Syndrome" act like extreme MoralGuardians kidnapping and imprisoning other alien actors (the expies of ''Film/{{Alien}}'', ''Film/{{Predator}}'' and ''Series/{{Alf}}'') for their violent (and in the case of Alf gross) behavior. Even when is establish in-universe that they are just actors. They still think they are bad examples.
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