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22nd Jul '16 11:06:16 PM M84
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** The best part is that they've doing this for so long that they don't even remember ''why''. When they were asked their own [[ArmorPiercingQuestion questions meant to determine identity and purpose]] "Who are you" and "What do you want", they had no answers.

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** The best part is that they've been doing this for so long that they don't even remember ''why''. When they were asked their own [[ArmorPiercingQuestion questions meant to determine identity and purpose]] "Who are you" and "What do you want", they had no answers.
22nd Jul '16 11:05:42 PM M84
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** The best part is that they've doing this for so long that they don't even remember ''why''. When they were asked their own [[ArmorPiercingQuestion questions meant to determine identity and purpose]] "Who are you" and "What do you want", they had no answers.
17th Jul '16 2:29:45 PM Discar
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*** According to WordOfGod, they're also a lot more [[InformedAttribute technologically advanced than the peoples of Ferelden]]. For instance, the Qunari are supposed to have developed gunpowder weapons such as cannons. [[FantasyGunControl While this is never shown and only rarely mentioned in-game]], this would definitely qualify them as ''[[OutsideContextVillain Aliens as Conquistadors]]'' (or at least ''[[DecadeDissonance Aliens as Ottomans]]'') as well.

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*** According to WordOfGod, they're also a lot more [[InformedAttribute technologically advanced than the peoples of Ferelden]]. For instance, the Qunari are supposed to have developed gunpowder weapons such as cannons. [[FantasyGunControl While this is never shown and only rarely mentioned in-game]], this would definitely qualify them as ''[[OutsideContextVillain ''[[OutsideGenreFoe Aliens as Conquistadors]]'' (or at least ''[[DecadeDissonance Aliens as Ottomans]]'') as well.
8th Jul '16 7:12:54 PM Fireblood
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** The ''novel'' contains nothing that even really resembles Fascism. It does depict that military service is necessary to gain the vote and serve in a couple of restricted professions like cops... but that has never been an element of any fascist state in the real world, let alone a defining characteristic, and the book makes the point that this is the ''only'' difference between a resident and a citizen. Residents otherwise have exactly the same rights as citizens. Elements of Fascism that are ''absent'' are legion - there is no Fuhrer nor anything remotely like one, and whilst government is made of veterans the active military plays no part in government whatever (the right to vote doesn't kick in until they retire, because, as one of the characters mentions, otherwise the soldiers would all vote never to go to war). There is no state control of the economy, no state control of the media, the military is tiny and is largely ignored or despised by the population, questioning of authority is not only not repressed, it's carefully encouraged... really the society depicted is closer to a liberal democracy than anything. One reason fans of the book so disliked the movie was that every fascist element in it was tacked onto the story, not originating from the book at all.

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** The ''novel'' contains nothing that even really resembles Fascism.fascism. It does depict that military service is necessary to gain the vote and serve in a couple of restricted professions like cops... but that has never been an element of any fascist state in the real world, let alone a defining characteristic, and the book makes the point that this is the ''only'' difference between a resident and a citizen. Residents otherwise have exactly the same rights as citizens. Elements of Fascism that are ''absent'' are legion - there is no Fuhrer nor anything remotely like one, and whilst government is made of veterans the active military plays no part in government whatever (the right to vote doesn't kick in until they retire, because, as one of the characters mentions, otherwise the soldiers would all vote never to go to war). There is no state control of the economy, no state control of the media, the military is tiny and is largely ignored or despised by the population, questioning of authority is not only not repressed, it's carefully encouraged... really the society depicted is closer to a liberal democracy than anything. One reason fans of the book so disliked the movie was that every fascist element in it was tacked onto the story, not originating from the book at all.



** It does pretty strongly support coporal and capital punishment, along with {{violence really is the answer}}, but that's hardly specific to fascism.



** The clone alien Taurans in ''Literature/TheForeverWar'' have a HiveMind which makes communication with the aliens impossible for humankind [[spoiler:until humanity develops its own hive mind through cloning, whereupon it's swiftly determined that humanity caused the forever war due to its own beligerance and its military industrial complex seeking a reason to justify its existence. The 1000-year long war is explicitly dedicated in-story as a monument to human stupidity.]]
** Subverted again in ''Literature/ForeverPeace''. The humans [[spoiler:develop a technology that lets them share memories in real time. The first clinical test of the device on a dozen psychopaths and murderers led to them rapidly developing a HiveMind and turning pacifist. The military backers of the technology freak out and try to destroy all traces of the experiment. They fail.]] Joe Haldeman explicitly states, repeatedly, that he sees 'a radical increase in empathy' to be absolutely critical to humanity's survival in the modern age. Haldeman portrays communism positively. (''Forever Peace'' doesn't contain aliens but it's the spiritual successor to ''The Forever War'' which does contain aliens.)

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** The clone alien Taurans in ''Literature/TheForeverWar'' have a HiveMind which makes communication with the aliens impossible for humankind [[spoiler:until humanity develops its own hive mind through cloning, whereupon it's swiftly determined that humanity caused the forever war due to its own beligerance belligerence and its military industrial complex seeking a reason to justify its existence. The 1000-year long war is explicitly dedicated in-story as a monument to human stupidity.]]
** Subverted again in ''Literature/ForeverPeace''. The humans [[spoiler:develop a technology that lets them share memories in real time. The first clinical test of the device on a dozen psychopaths and murderers led to them rapidly developing a HiveMind and turning pacifist. The military backers of the technology freak out and try to destroy all traces of the experiment. They fail.]] Joe Haldeman explicitly states, repeatedly, that he sees 'a radical increase in empathy' to be absolutely critical to humanity's survival in the modern age. Haldeman portrays communism positively. positively (''Forever Peace'' doesn't contain aliens but it's the spiritual successor to ''The Forever War'' which does contain aliens.)aliens).



* The Borg from ''Franchise/StarTrek'', with assimilation. Taken even further in ''Star Trek: Destiny'', where it is revealed [[spoiler: that the Borg are a corruption of a near-Utopian society.]] In the original series, the Klingons represent the Soviet Union and the Red Chinese, with the Romulans as 'the honourable enemy'. And yet it's the Federation whose economy most closely mirrors Marx's idea of a socialistic democracy where everyone's needs are satisfied equally (not necessarily the Soviet implementation of that idea). The episode where a 20th century capitalist is [[HumanPopsicle defrosted]], Picard is disgusted that he is concerned with accumulating wealth. Then again, clean, cheap energy and replicators may do that to a society.

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* The Borg from ''Franchise/StarTrek'', with assimilation. Taken even further in ''Star Trek: Destiny'', where it is revealed [[spoiler: that the Borg are a corruption of a near-Utopian society.]] In the original series, the Klingons represent the Soviet Union and Union,m the Romulans the Red Chinese, with the Romulans as 'the honourable honorable enemy'. And yet it's the Federation whose economy most closely mirrors Marx's idea of a socialistic democracy where everyone's needs are satisfied equally (not necessarily the Soviet implementation of that idea). The episode where a 20th century capitalist is [[HumanPopsicle defrosted]], Picard is disgusted that he is concerned with accumulating wealth. Then again, clean, cheap energy and replicators may do that to a society. The terms may not quite apply. Post-scarcity would be the clearest parallel.
18th Jun '16 3:00:35 AM Gess
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** The Vorlons are Scary Didactic Aliens. Think of your worst school teacher: yeah, the one with horned-rimmed spectacles, wisped together hair, tightened lips and a punishing ruler in her hand. Now give her millions of years of experience that convince her that she's the only one out there who knows how to bring up a green and callow race, and you will get a picture of a typical Vorlon. The lengths they go to in order to ensure absolute obedience and reverence from their unsuspecting students include tampering with your genetics to cause you perceive them as divine entities, genetically engineering your species to produce telepaths to fight their doctrinal enemies and leaving you to deal with the social ramifications on your own, obliterating your whole planet for assisting their doctrinal enemies even if you were forced into it or it was done by a rogue element, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking talking to you in an insufferably aloof and mysterious manner]].
** The aforementioned doctrinal enemies, the Shadows, are Scary Darwinian Aliens. Their approach to the whole upbringing business is distinctly simpler and less demanding: they get out there and start killing things. In spades. If their trainees are worth their salt, they'll think of something to drive them off, thereby making them smarter and tougher. And if they don't, oh well, natural selection is a harsh bitch and there are always other Younger Races.

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** The Vorlons are Scary Didactic Aliens. Think of your worst school teacher: yeah, the one with horned-rimmed spectacles, wisped together hair, tightened lips and a punishing ruler in her hand. Now give her millions of years of experience that convince her that she's the only one out there who knows how They see it as their duty to bring up a the green and callow race, and you will get a picture races, the cause they adher to with the worst qualities of a typical Vorlon. The stereotypical SadistTeacher, backed up by a TimeAbyss of experience and unfathomably advanced technology. They always know better, and the lengths they go to in order to ensure absolute obedience and reverence from their unsuspecting students include tampering with your genetics to cause you people perceive them as divine entities, genetically engineering your other species to produce telepaths to fight their Vorlons' doctrinal enemies and leaving you them to deal with the social ramifications on your their own, obliterating your whole planet entire planets for assisting their said doctrinal enemies even if you they were forced into it or it was done by a rogue element, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking talking to you people in an insufferably aloof and mysterious manner]].
** The aforementioned doctrinal enemies, the Shadows, are Scary Darwinian Aliens. Their approach They share Vorlons' dedication to the whole upbringing business business, but their approach is distinctly simpler and less demanding: simpler: they get go out there and start killing things.people. In spades. If their trainees "trainees" are worth their salt, they'll think of something to drive them off, mount a defence and repel the invaders, thereby making them becoming smarter and tougher. And if they don't, oh well, natural selection is a harsh bitch mistress, and there are always other Younger Races.races.
** Basically, the entire galaxy-spanning war between the two vastly superior species and the countless others they dragged into it, is fought over the disagreement over the teaching methods.
12th Jun '16 2:08:52 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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12th Jun '16 2:08:44 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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Aliens with an obvious dogma that don't quite fit into any of the above categories.

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Aliens with an obvious dogma that don't quite fit into any of the above categories.
categories, or that fit into more than one.
11th Jun '16 12:22:26 AM Morgenthaler
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* Humans are (very obviously) this in the novel/short story collection "TheMartianChronicles."

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* Humans are (very obviously) this in the novel/short story collection "TheMartianChronicles."Literature/TheMartianChronicles."
8th Jun '16 11:30:26 PM TimberWolf65
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** In addition, ''Stellaris'' also features "Fallen Empires;" hyper-advanced galactic superpowers which can spawn in any game, provided there is still room for them after meeting the player's parameters. They are implied in universe to be well past their prime, yet they are still forces to be reckoned with, due in no small part to spawning with late-game technology and rather intimidating fleets. There are four types of Fallen Empire, each with an ideology based on the fanatical forms of certain ethics players can choose from while designing their own empires. These are:
*** "Militant Isolationists" are the "fanatic xenophobe" variant of Fallen Empire. They are almost entirely apathetic toward the myriad of fledgling states cropping up around the galaxy, and they are interested only in their own species and maintaining the borders of what remains of their empire. They become irate, however, if/when these empires attempt to colonise systems close to their own borders. At this point, they will demand the offending colony be abandoned, and if it isn't they may well force the upstart expansionist to leave.
*** "Holy Guardians" are the "fanatic spiritualist" variant of Fallen Empire. They are similar to the Isolationists, but their dogma comes with a religious spin; rather than attempting to dissuade expansion toward their own empire, their ire is reserved for those who attempt to colonise "tomb worlds" and their holy worlds, which can be identified as special "Gaia" worlds which are both very large and 100% "habitable" regardless of a species' homeworld trait. As with the Isolationists, attemting to colonise these worlds will prompt them to demand the colonies be abandoned, and persisting may escalate the conflict.
*** "Keepers of Knowledge" are the "fanatic materialist" variant of Fallen Empire. Essentially, they have taken it upon themseelves to oversee the technological advancement of all the younger galactic states. In terms of how this affects gameplay, Keepers will become irate with empires who research certain "dangerous" technologies, such as artificial intelligence. Doing so will prompt them to demand policies be adjusted to forbid the application of these technologies. Persisting may prompt them to attack.
*** "Enigmatic Observers" are the "fanatic xenophile" variant of Fallen Empire. They are arguably the only benevolent example in that their defining ideology is their intense fascination with alien life and their respect for the sovereignty of surrounding nations, they are nevertheless both scary and dogmatic. Dogmatic because their ideology will prompt them to intervene if/when sapient rights are violated, whether that be because sapient species are being either enslaved or purged. Scary because they have the endgame tech to discourage players from roleplaying their own scary dogmatic aliens.
20th May '16 2:30:43 PM Doug86
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* The Ascendants from the StarTrekNovelVerse certainly count. Their entire culture is dedicated to a crusade that will see them reconnect with their gods, the True (who are the Wormhole Aliens, known to Bajor as the Prophets and to the peaceful Eav'oq as the Siblings). The Ascendants destroy all who worship falsely and commit blasphemy against the True. They do not appear to have a problem with non-worshippers, however. The Redeemers are another culture of religious fundamentalists; indeed, the only members of their species left are this, as most were wiped out by the Redeemer virus the survivors later used to cower subjugated (converted, "saved") peoples. The Holy Order of the Kinshaya appears to be a military theocracy, with crusades against the Klingon "demons", though given Klingon attempts to destroy Kinshaya worlds they are somewhat more sympathetic than most fundamentalists.

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* The Ascendants from the StarTrekNovelVerse Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse certainly count. Their entire culture is dedicated to a crusade that will see them reconnect with their gods, the True (who are the Wormhole Aliens, known to Bajor as the Prophets and to the peaceful Eav'oq as the Siblings). The Ascendants destroy all who worship falsely and commit blasphemy against the True. They do not appear to have a problem with non-worshippers, however. The Redeemers are another culture of religious fundamentalists; indeed, the only members of their species left are this, as most were wiped out by the Redeemer virus the survivors later used to cower subjugated (converted, "saved") peoples. The Holy Order of the Kinshaya appears to be a military theocracy, with crusades against the Klingon "demons", though given Klingon attempts to destroy Kinshaya worlds they are somewhat more sympathetic than most fundamentalists.
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