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16th Nov '17 11:35:08 PM md30
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** As well as these the game now (as of 5th edition) features a sawed-off, or rather a short barrelled version, of the Defiance T-250 shotgun. The Defiance may not have the best stats but it still packs a decent punch is the standard cheap, versatile and street legal shotgun option. The short barrel option cuts down on range and a little on hitting power (putting it on par with the most damaging pistols) while making the weapon something that could be feasibly hidden. It's advisable to have clothing that makes this work (the lined coat for instance is a trenchcoat that actually gives you a bonus to this) as well as a few points in the palming skill but if you can pull it off it's a nice way to scare the heck out of someone and ruin their neat plans they had for your defeat.

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** As well as these the game now (as of 5th edition) features a sawed-off, or rather a short barrelled version, of the Defiance T-250 shotgun. The Defiance may not have the best stats but it still packs a decent punch is the standard cheap, versatile and street legal shotgun option. The short barrel option cuts down on range and a little on hitting power (putting it on par with the most damaging pistols) while making the weapon something that could be feasibly hidden. It's advisable to have To do so successfully you'll want clothing that makes this work (the lined coat for instance is a trenchcoat that actually gives you a bonus to this) as well as a few points in the palming skill skill, but if you can pull it off it's a nice good way to scare the heck out of someone and ruin their neat plans they had for your defeat.
16th Nov '17 11:32:49 PM md30
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** As well as these the game now (as of 5th edition) features a sawed-off, or rather a short barrelled version, of the Defiance T-250 shotgun. The Defiance may not have the best stats but it still packs a decent punch is the standard cheap, versatile and street legal shotgun option. The short barrel option cuts down on range and a little on hitting power (putting it on par with the most damaging pistols) while making the weapon something that could be feasibly hidden. It's advisable to have clothing that makes this work (the lined coat for instance is a trenchcoat that actually gives you a bonus to this) as well as a few points in the palming skill but if you can pull it off it's a nice way to scare the heck out of someone and ruin their neat plans they had for your defeat.
24th Oct '17 9:51:08 AM anybodyever
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In real life, [[AwesomeButImpractical sawed-off shotguns aren't very practical]]. Contrary to popular belief, shortening the barrel of a shotgun has little effect on the spread of the shot. Spread of shot is actually purposely limited with a 'choke' inside the very tip of the barrel. Sawing off 2 inches or 20 inches has basically the same effect. Shortening the barrel has different effects depending on the era. Until the advent of high quality smokeless gunpowder, longer barrels on shotguns allowed for more velocity, and a sawed-off shotgun would have reduced power because of the reduced velocity. Modern powders lose extremely little velocity even when the barrel is cut down to a foot long. However the biggest problem with sawed-off shotguns is when the stock is cut down to a pistol grip, making the weapon either extremely hard to aim, or, if aimed properly, likely to recoil straight into the shooter's teeth.

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In real life, [[AwesomeButImpractical sawed-off shotguns aren't very practical]]. Contrary to popular belief, shortening the barrel of a shotgun has little effect on the spread of the shot. Spread of shot is actually purposely limited with a 'choke' inside the very tip of the barrel. Sawing off 2 inches or 20 inches has basically the same effect. Shortening the barrel has different effects depending on the era. Until the advent of high quality smokeless gunpowder, longer barrels on shotguns allowed for more velocity, and a sawed-off shotgun would have reduced power because of the reduced velocity. Modern powders lose extremely little velocity even when the barrel is cut down to a foot long. [[note]]Strictly speaking, longer barrels do somewhat increase muzzle velocity because the propellant has that much longer to "push" the projectile. However, shotgun ammunition, particularly pellets, lose velocity rapidly enough that this doesn't really matter.[[/note]] However the biggest problem with sawed-off shotguns is when the stock is cut down to a pistol grip, making the weapon either extremely hard to aim, or, if aimed properly, likely to recoil straight into the shooter's teeth.
21st Sep '17 10:31:23 AM TheWildWestPyro
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* Sawn off-shotguns are [[UsefulNotes/AustralianGunPolitics are banned in Australia]] since the firearms legislation was revised in 1996 in the aftermath of the Port Arthur Massacre. However, some sawn-off shotguns still remain in private hands due to not being registered even prior to 1996 and registering them afterwards leads to confiscation of the gun. One such shotgun was used in the deadliest terrorist attack on Australian soil in 2014.

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* Sawn off-shotguns are [[UsefulNotes/AustralianGunPolitics are banned in Australia]] since the firearms legislation was revised in 1996 in the aftermath of the Port Arthur Massacre. However, some sawn-off shotguns still remain in private hands due to not being registered even prior to 1996 and registering them afterwards leads to confiscation of the gun. [[http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/lindt-cafe-siege-survivor-stands-tall-as-man-moniss-gun-appears-at-inquest-20150902-gjdn5q.html One such shotgun shotgun]] was used in the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis deadliest terrorist attack on Australian soil in 2014.2014]].
21st Aug '17 10:03:53 AM thatmadork
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* Craftable in ''VideoGame/ProjectZomboid''. Take a regular shotgun, take a saw to it, get the sawed-off shotgun. Damage and range go down, but so does the shotgun's considerable weight, and the death arc gets wider too.
15th Aug '17 6:30:10 AM Sleeping_Beauty
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* The SLY 2020 from ''VideoGame/GoldeneyeWii'' is one, and is the only shotgun in the game to be this. It's the most powerful shotgun in the game, has good range and uses a magazine as opposed to the other pump shotguns using individual shells. The downsides to it however, is that its accuracy is lower than the other shotguns due to it being sawn off, its magazine capacity is the lowest with 7 (though the use of High-Cap Mag extends the SLY's magazine size to 9 rounds) and it has no iron sights.
8th Jul '17 9:51:16 AM nombretomado
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** They weren't the only ones. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_shotgun#History Also taken directly]] from TheOtherWiki: "During the trench warfare of the Gallipoli Campaign, Major Stephen Midgley of the Australian 5th Light Horse Regiment was widely known to use a sawn-off double barrelled shotgun while leading his troops, the weapon's effectiveness resulting in Turkish officers complaining that it was not a 'weapon of war' under international law after Midgley took one Turkish soldier's head "clean off his shoulders". Midgley was ordered by an Australian general to cease using his shotgun and switch to a conventional rifle and bayonet, to which the Major was "bitterly peeved"." Don't fuck with Australia.

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** They weren't the only ones. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_shotgun#History Also taken directly]] from TheOtherWiki: Wiki/TheOtherWiki: "During the trench warfare of the Gallipoli Campaign, Major Stephen Midgley of the Australian 5th Light Horse Regiment was widely known to use a sawn-off double barrelled shotgun while leading his troops, the weapon's effectiveness resulting in Turkish officers complaining that it was not a 'weapon of war' under international law after Midgley took one Turkish soldier's head "clean off his shoulders". Midgley was ordered by an Australian general to cease using his shotgun and switch to a conventional rifle and bayonet, to which the Major was "bitterly peeved"." Don't fuck with Australia.
10th Jun '17 3:27:48 PM Gemser
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->''Sawed-off shotgun, hand on the pump''
-->-- '''Cypress Hill, ''Hand on the pump'''''
10th Jun '17 3:14:27 PM nombretomado
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** The US Supreme Court ruled this law was legal in 1939, in the landmark case of ''United States v. Miller'', 307 U.S. 174. Of course only the prosecution showed up as the defendant was too poor to show up, and was dead before the ruling came down. Also, the ruling was based upon faulty information as to whether a short-barrelled shotgun was used by any national militias. It's also been a point of contention whether two Supreme Court justices who were WorldWarOne veterans (but never in the trenches; one was an artillery officer and the other an Army lawyer) were personally aware of the military usage of short-barreled shotguns, regardless of it never having been introduced into evidence.

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** The US Supreme Court ruled this law was legal in 1939, in the landmark case of ''United States v. Miller'', 307 U.S. 174. Of course only the prosecution showed up as the defendant was too poor to show up, and was dead before the ruling came down. Also, the ruling was based upon faulty information as to whether a short-barrelled shotgun was used by any national militias. It's also been a point of contention whether two Supreme Court justices who were WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI veterans (but never in the trenches; one was an artillery officer and the other an Army lawyer) were personally aware of the military usage of short-barreled shotguns, regardless of it never having been introduced into evidence.
17th May '17 3:38:14 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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This trope is prominent in British shows, where the sawed off shotgun remains the weapon of choice for the LondonGangster, or the villains in any police procedural, particularly if it involves an ArmedBlag. This is mainly due to the difficulty of obtaining handguns in the UK, while shotguns are still legally available. Incidentally, British English prefers "sawn-off" (the past participle) and American English "sawed-off" (the past preterite, which, [[HaveAGayOldTime while sounding perfectly fine to American ears]], sounds like [[TheProblemWithPenIsland something else]] to British ones - though it still works pretty well, considering the context).

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This trope is prominent in British shows, where the sawed off shotgun remains the weapon of choice for the LondonGangster, or the villains in any police procedural, particularly if it involves an ArmedBlag. This is mainly due to the difficulty of obtaining handguns in the UK, while shotguns are still legally available. Incidentally, British English prefers "sawn-off" (the past participle) and American English "sawed-off" (the past preterite, which, [[HaveAGayOldTime [[DidNotDoTheBloodyResearch while sounding perfectly fine to American ears]], sounds like [[TheProblemWithPenIsland something else]] to British ones - -- though it still works pretty well, considering the context).
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