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17th Feb '18 3:50:14 PM thatother1dude
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* In ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'', both sides report to Vic at Red/Blue Command.

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* In ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'', both sides report to Vic at Red/Blue Command. [[spoiler:The Red and Blue conflict is really just a fake war to give the [[PrivateMilitaryContractors Freelancers]] [[TestedOnHumans stages for combat trials]].]]
28th Jan '18 5:01:20 PM nombretomado
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* In 1999, Wrestling/{{WW|E}}F featured a long and convoluted storyline about Wrestling/TheUndertaker and his [[PowerStable Ministry Of Darkness]] attempting to seize control of the WWF from [[HeelFaceTurn former bad guy]] Wrestling/VinceMcMahon under the orders of a mysterious figure known only as "The Higher Power". This "Higher Power" turned out to be... Vince [=McMahon=]. The MinistryOfDarkness then merged with Wrestling/TheCorporation to become the Corporate Ministry, and about five months of storyline was [[ShaggyDogStory thrown out the window]].

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* In 1999, Wrestling/{{WW|E}}F featured a long and convoluted storyline about Wrestling/TheUndertaker and his [[PowerStable Ministry Of Darkness]] attempting to seize control of the WWF from [[HeelFaceTurn former bad guy]] Wrestling/VinceMcMahon under the orders of a mysterious figure known only as "The Higher Power". This "Higher Power" turned out to be... Vince [=McMahon=]. The MinistryOfDarkness Wrestling/MinistryOfDarkness then merged with Wrestling/TheCorporation to become the Corporate Ministry, and about five months of storyline was [[ShaggyDogStory thrown out the window]].
31st Dec '17 10:01:58 PM nombretomado
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* ''HardboiledWonderlandAndTheEndOfTheWorld'' has two opposing factions, the Calcutecs that are paid to guard information, and the Semiotecs that steal and sell it. It's heavily implied that both organizations might be in cahoots, though, as with many things in the book, it's never revealed.

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* ''HardboiledWonderlandAndTheEndOfTheWorld'' ''Literature/HardboiledWonderlandAndTheEndOfTheWorld'' has two opposing factions, the Calcutecs that are paid to guard information, and the Semiotecs that steal and sell it. It's heavily implied that both organizations might be in cahoots, though, as with many things in the book, it's never revealed.
7th Dec '17 11:35:15 PM Medinoc
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A subtrope of PlayingBothSides. May involve the MoleInCharge. Compare XanatosGambit if the one doing the running benefits regardless of who wins or if anyone wins at all.

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A subtrope of PlayingBothSides. May involve the MoleInCharge.MoleInCharge or ResistanceAsPlanned. Compare XanatosGambit if the one doing the running benefits regardless of who wins or if anyone wins at all.
29th Oct '17 9:42:22 PM Malady
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* Tanya Huff's ''ConfederationOfValor'' series has this as a reveal in the last book: A heretofore unknown shapeshifting alien race started an intergalactic war just to study how the different species would behave, like mice in a labyrinth.

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* Tanya Huff's ''ConfederationOfValor'' ''Literature/ConfederationOfValor'' series has this as a reveal in the last book: A heretofore unknown shapeshifting alien race started an intergalactic war just to study how the different species would behave, like mice in a labyrinth.
28th Oct '17 5:16:54 PM Actua11y
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A conflict is going on. It might be a shooting war or just a fierce rivalry; it might be only important to some of the characters or important to nearly everyone in the setting. However, it turns out that while the subordinates on opposite sides feel very strongly about it, the leadership on either sides aren't enemies. They might even be the same person! Normally, you'd expect someone in that position to attempt to defuse the conflict. But they don't, they encourage it, not because of HonorBeforeReason, but because it is to their political advantage to keep the conflict going for the moment.

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A conflict is going on. It might be a shooting war or just a fierce rivalry; it might be only important to some of the characters or important to nearly everyone in the setting. However, it turns out that while the subordinates on opposite sides feel very strongly about it, the leadership on either sides side aren't enemies. They might even be the same person! Normally, you'd expect someone in that position to attempt to defuse the conflict. But they don't, they encourage it, not because of HonorBeforeReason, but because it is to their political advantage to keep the conflict going for the moment.



* In ''ComicBook/{{Sillage}}'', the heroine lands on a planet locked in eternal war against machines. The inhabitants would have died years ago had it not been for the regular deliveries of food and supplies in large containers, though nobody knows who sends them. As Nävis investigates, she eventually discovers the AI running the robots is also the one responsible for the supply drops, as ages ago it was a military AI (they're sentient in this universe), so bored by peace it basically started running a real-life RTS, giving its opponents food so as to keep the game going.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Sillage}}'', the heroine lands on a planet locked in an eternal war against machines. The inhabitants would have died years ago had it not been for the regular deliveries of food and supplies in large containers, though nobody knows who sends them. As Nävis investigates, she eventually discovers the AI running the robots is also the one responsible for the supply drops, as ages ago it was a military AI (they're sentient in this universe), so bored by peace it basically started running a real-life RTS, giving its opponents food so as to keep the game going.



* In ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the resistance turns out to be run by the central government. Furthermore, the three world governments seem to be encouraging a state of constant warfare among them in order to better control their own populations - it's quite possible and often theorized that they are all really ruled by the same group, although this is never directly spelled out.

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* In ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the resistance turns out to be run by the central government. Furthermore, the three world governments seem to be encouraging a state of constant warfare among them in order to better control their own populations - it's populations--it's quite possible and often theorized that they are all really ruled by the same group, although this is never directly spelled out.



* In 1999, Wrestling/{{WW|E}}F featured a long and convoluted storyline about Wrestling/TheUndertaker and his [[PowerStable Ministry Of Darkness]] attempting to seize control of the WWF from [[HeelFaceTurn former bad guy]] Wrestling/VinceMcMahon under the orders of a mysterious figure known only as "The Higher Power". This "Higher Power" turned out to be... Vince [=McMahon=]. The MinistryOfDarkness then merged with Wrestling/TheCorporation to become the Corporate Ministry, and about five months of storyline were [[ShaggyDogStory thrown out the window]].

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* In 1999, Wrestling/{{WW|E}}F featured a long and convoluted storyline about Wrestling/TheUndertaker and his [[PowerStable Ministry Of Darkness]] attempting to seize control of the WWF from [[HeelFaceTurn former bad guy]] Wrestling/VinceMcMahon under the orders of a mysterious figure known only as "The Higher Power". This "Higher Power" turned out to be... Vince [=McMahon=]. The MinistryOfDarkness then merged with Wrestling/TheCorporation to become the Corporate Ministry, and about five months of storyline were was [[ShaggyDogStory thrown out the window]].



* In the CardGame ''TabletopGame/RaceForTheGalaxy'', with the "Rebels vs. Imperium" extension it is possible for the same player to control both the Rebel alliance and vital parts of the Imperium government. And they ''should'', because their sources of victory points overlap: Holding lots of Rebel military worlds.

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* In the CardGame ''TabletopGame/RaceForTheGalaxy'', with the "Rebels vs. Imperium" extension it is possible for the same player to control both the Rebel alliance Alliance and vital parts of the Imperium government. And they ''should'', because their sources of victory points overlap: Holding lots of Rebel military worlds.



** In the backstory [[spoiler:the Templars were behind both the Allies and the Axis during World War 2. Churchill, Hitler, Stalin and FDR were ''all'' part of the Order.]]
* In ''VideoGame/{{Headhunter}}'', the head of the criminal organisation also turns out to be the one in charge of the Anti-Crime Network.
* It's hard to tell how many sides there are in ''VideoGame/XenoSaga'' due to a GambitPileup of impressive complexity, but [[spoiler:Wilhelm]] is in charge of all but one of them - the party.

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** In the backstory [[spoiler:the Templars were behind both the Allies and the Axis during World War 2. Churchill, Hitler, Stalin Stalin, and FDR were ''all'' part of the Order.]]
* In ''VideoGame/{{Headhunter}}'', the head of the criminal organisation organization also turns out to be the one in charge of the Anti-Crime Network.
* It's hard to tell how many sides there are in ''VideoGame/XenoSaga'' due to a GambitPileup of impressive complexity, but [[spoiler:Wilhelm]] is in charge of all but one of them - the them--the party.



* Admiral Tolwyn in ''VideoGame/WingCommander IV'', indirectly. He claims to favor peace while the Black Lance forces under his command carry out a FalseFlagOperation to incriminate the Border worlds.

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* Admiral Tolwyn in ''VideoGame/WingCommander IV'', indirectly. He claims to favor peace while the Black Lance forces under his command carry out a FalseFlagOperation to incriminate the Border worlds.Worlds.
27th Sep '17 12:50:06 PM SeptimusHeap
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* The main plot of ''BatmanReturns'': The Penguin has his gang (to which he appears to have no connection whatsoever in the public's mind) commit random acts of violence throughout Gotham City in order to make the city's current mayor look weak, while simultaneously running for mayor himself and claiming he's the only one who can restore order (and, FromACertainPointOfView, he's telling the truth!). One of his allies even refers to "the Gulf of Tonkin" and "the Reichstag fire", both real-life events that might suggest to naïve viewers that both were [[FalseFlagOperation False Flag Operations]], when in fact they genuinely happened and were only exploited afterward.

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* The main plot of ''BatmanReturns'': ''Film/BatmanReturns'': The Penguin has his gang (to which he appears to have no connection whatsoever in the public's mind) commit random acts of violence throughout Gotham City in order to make the city's current mayor look weak, while simultaneously running for mayor himself and claiming he's the only one who can restore order (and, FromACertainPointOfView, he's telling the truth!). One of his allies even refers to "the Gulf of Tonkin" and "the Reichstag fire", both real-life events that might suggest to naïve viewers that both were [[FalseFlagOperation False Flag Operations]], when in fact they genuinely happened and were only exploited afterward.
2nd Jul '17 11:02:55 AM nombretomado
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* In 1999, Wrestling/{{WW|E}}F featured a long and convoluted storyline about TheUndertaker and his [[PowerStable Ministry Of Darkness]] attempting to seize control of the WWF from [[HeelFaceTurn former bad guy]] VinceMcMahon under the orders of a mysterious figure known only as "The Higher Power". This "Higher Power" turned out to be... VinceMcMahon. The MinistryOfDarkness then merged with Wrestling/TheCorporation to become the Corporate Ministry, and about five months of storyline were [[ShaggyDogStory thrown out the window]].

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* In 1999, Wrestling/{{WW|E}}F featured a long and convoluted storyline about TheUndertaker Wrestling/TheUndertaker and his [[PowerStable Ministry Of Darkness]] attempting to seize control of the WWF from [[HeelFaceTurn former bad guy]] VinceMcMahon Wrestling/VinceMcMahon under the orders of a mysterious figure known only as "The Higher Power". This "Higher Power" turned out to be... VinceMcMahon.Vince [=McMahon=]. The MinistryOfDarkness then merged with Wrestling/TheCorporation to become the Corporate Ministry, and about five months of storyline were [[ShaggyDogStory thrown out the window]].
25th Jun '17 8:06:13 PM SSJMagus
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* During the 2016 US Presidential Election, some conspiracy prone commentators wondered if Donald Trump was being deliberately outrageous in his comments to undermine fellow Republican candidates and turn voters on the fence towards Hilary Clinton (Trump having given to the Clintons in previous campaigns being a prime piece of evidence). It died down as the General Election neared and Trump was shown to be as aggressive and outrageous against Clinton as he had been against any Republican contender, though it did get a nod in some of his more political missteps. Ultimately, if this was the play, it WentHorriblyWrong.

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* During the 2016 US Presidential Election, some conspiracy prone commentators wondered if Donald Trump was being deliberately outrageous in his comments to undermine fellow Republican candidates and turn voters on the fence towards Hilary Clinton (Trump having given to the Clintons in previous campaigns being a prime piece of evidence). It died down as the General Election neared and Trump was shown to be as aggressive and outrageous against Clinton as he had been against any Republican contender, though it did get a nod in some of his more political missteps. Ultimately, if this was the play, it WentHorriblyWrong. Though believers in the conspiracy theory ''still'' insist that Trump and Clinton were conspiring together, regardless of all evidence of both political incompatibility and personal animosity between them, with the premise being that a Trump presidency was an acceptable Plan B for them (or whatever shadowy cabal of lizard-men they were working for).
20th Jun '17 1:02:12 PM 20person
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* In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequel trilogy, Palpatine [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready ends up in charge of both]] the Republic as Supreme Chancellor and the Separatists as Darth Sidious. As chancellor, the conflict is his means of securing total and eternal power and destroying the Jedi Knights. As Sidious, he provides the external threat used to justify his expansion of government power. Given he ran both sides of the conflict, this effectively means [[XanatosGambit the outcome of the war was completely irrelevant]], as no matter who won he'd rule the galaxy and wipe out the Jedi, the war itself was just a means to an end.

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* In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequel trilogy, Palpatine [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready ends up in charge of both]] the Republic as Supreme Chancellor and the Separatists as Darth Sidious. As chancellor, Chancellor, the conflict is his means of securing total and eternal power and destroying the Jedi Knights. Order. As Sidious, he (through his apprentice Count Dooku) provides the external threat used to justify his expansion of government power. Given he ran both sides of the conflict, this effectively means [[XanatosGambit the outcome of the war was completely irrelevant]], as no matter who won he'd rule the galaxy and wipe out the Jedi, the war itself was just a means to an end.
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