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16th Mar '17 8:55:51 PM TheCuza
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* ''Polaris Snocross'' had TheComputerIsACheatingBastard levels of rubberbanding, complained about quite extensively in the ''WebVideo/RosssGameDungeon'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYotAMLOtf4 episode about the game]]. It essentially becomes impossible to win tournaments due to racers getting ludicrous speed boosts and perfect handling, sometimes even teleporting short distances to get a better spot to maneuver. Even digging into the game files directly to cripple the AI through variable alteration doesn't entirely get rid of it; Scott himself recorded an instance of lobotomized AI still zooming by at the literal last second at faster speeds than most airplanes can achieve just to deny him first place.

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* ''Polaris Snocross'' had TheComputerIsACheatingBastard levels of rubberbanding, complained about quite extensively in the ''WebVideo/RosssGameDungeon'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYotAMLOtf4 episode about the game]]. It essentially becomes impossible to win tournaments due to racers getting ludicrous speed boosts and perfect handling, sometimes even teleporting short distances to get a better spot to maneuver. maneuver, and also near-instant recovery from being knocked off their snowmobile. Even digging into the game files directly to cripple the AI through variable alteration doesn't entirely get rid of it; Scott himself recorded an instance of at 19:02 in the episode, a lobotomized AI racer still zooming by zooms past Ross at the literal last second second, at faster speeds than most airplanes can achieve achieve, just to deny him first place.place. Oh, and of course you have to win the tournaments to unlock the vast majority of tracks in the game. Ross believes that he, and anyone watching the episode, are probably the only people outside of the dev team to ever see them.
5th Mar '17 10:18:20 PM tsstevens
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** If you thought the previous versions or ''Madden'' were bad then ''2K17'' is the true grand master of the '''''NO!!! BLEEPING!!! WAY!!!''''' mode. Backstage brawls are a great way to farm VC points, the in game currency, however after a few wins the game will show why it is the MostTriumphantExample of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. Reversals will be switched off for you and you'll lose in two moves. That is, [[SpitefulAI when the opponent chooses to finish the match. When they have a finisher and just keep irish whipping you then you may as well just restart, nothing you can say or do will make a difference.

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** If you thought the previous versions or ''Madden'' were bad then ''2K17'' is the true grand master of the '''''NO!!! BLEEPING!!! WAY!!!''''' mode. Backstage brawls are a great way to farm VC points, the in game currency, however after a few wins the game will show why it is the MostTriumphantExample of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. Reversals will be switched off for you and you'll lose in two moves. That is, [[SpitefulAI when the opponent chooses to finish the match. ]] When they have a finisher and just keep irish whipping you then you may as well just restart, nothing you can say or do will make a difference.
5th Mar '17 3:42:45 PM tsstevens
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** If you thought the previous versions or ''Madden'' were bad then ''2K17'' is the true grand master of the '''''NO!!! BLEEPING!!! WAY!!!''' mode. Backstage brawls are a great way to farm VC points, the in game currency, however after a few wins the game will show why it is the MostTriumphantExample of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. Reversals will be switched off for you and you'll lose in two moves. That is, [[SpitefulAI when the opponent chooses to finish the match. When they have a finisher and just keep irish whipping you then you may as well just restart, nothing you can say or do will make a difference.

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** If you thought the previous versions or ''Madden'' were bad then ''2K17'' is the true grand master of the '''''NO!!! BLEEPING!!! WAY!!!''' WAY!!!''''' mode. Backstage brawls are a great way to farm VC points, the in game currency, however after a few wins the game will show why it is the MostTriumphantExample of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. Reversals will be switched off for you and you'll lose in two moves. That is, [[SpitefulAI when the opponent chooses to finish the match. When they have a finisher and just keep irish whipping you then you may as well just restart, nothing you can say or do will make a difference.
5th Mar '17 3:41:35 PM tsstevens
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** If you thought the previous versions or ''Madden'' were bad then ''2K17'' is the true grand master of the '''''NO!!! FUCKING!!! WAY!!!''' mode. Backstage brawls are a great way to farm VC points, the in game currency, however after a few wins the game will show why it is the MostTriumphantExample of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. Reversals will be switched off for you and you'll lose in two moves. That is, [[SpitefulAI when the opponent chooses to finish the match. When they have a finisher and just keep irish whipping you then you may as well just restart, nothing you can say or do will make a difference.

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** If you thought the previous versions or ''Madden'' were bad then ''2K17'' is the true grand master of the '''''NO!!! FUCKING!!! BLEEPING!!! WAY!!!''' mode. Backstage brawls are a great way to farm VC points, the in game currency, however after a few wins the game will show why it is the MostTriumphantExample of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. Reversals will be switched off for you and you'll lose in two moves. That is, [[SpitefulAI when the opponent chooses to finish the match. When they have a finisher and just keep irish whipping you then you may as well just restart, nothing you can say or do will make a difference.
5th Mar '17 3:41:14 PM tsstevens
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** If you thought the previous versions or ''Madden'' were bad then ''2K17'' is the true grand master of the '''''NO!!! FUCKING!!! WAY!!!''' mode. Backstage brawls are a great way to farm VC points, the in game currency, however after a few wins the game will show why it is the MostTriumphantExample of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. Reversals will be switched off for you and you'll lose in two moves. That is, [[SpitefulAI when the opponent chooses to finish the match. When they have a finisher and just keep irish whipping you then you may as well just restart, nothing you can say or do will make a difference.
5th Feb '17 6:55:47 PM Lopiny
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* ''Polaris Snocross'' had TheComputerIsACheatingBastard levels of rubberbanding, complained about quite extensively in the ''WebVideo/RosssGameDungeon'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYotAMLOtf4 episode about the game]].

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* ''Polaris Snocross'' had TheComputerIsACheatingBastard levels of rubberbanding, complained about quite extensively in the ''WebVideo/RosssGameDungeon'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYotAMLOtf4 episode about the game]]. It essentially becomes impossible to win tournaments due to racers getting ludicrous speed boosts and perfect handling, sometimes even teleporting short distances to get a better spot to maneuver. Even digging into the game files directly to cripple the AI through variable alteration doesn't entirely get rid of it; Scott himself recorded an instance of lobotomized AI still zooming by at the literal last second at faster speeds than most airplanes can achieve just to deny him first place.
2nd Feb '17 6:36:43 AM DarkHunter
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* Teal'c faces a Rubberband AI in an episode of ''Series/StargateSG1'' - every time it looks like he's winning, the game throws in a new twist. New twists include more enemies (and making those enemies tougher by making the usual method of killing them ineffective and giving one of them the power to turn invisible), and having [=NPCs=] who are supposed to be on Teal'c's side suddenly turn on him at the worst possible moment.

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* Teal'c faces a Rubberband AI in an episode of ''Series/StargateSG1'' - every time it looks like he's winning, the game throws in a new twist. New twists include more enemies (and making those enemies tougher by making the usual method of killing them ineffective and giving one of them the power to turn invisible), and having [=NPCs=] who are supposed to be on Teal'c's side suddenly turn on him at the worst possible moment.
moment. It's eventually revealed that this was unintentional: the game was based on Teal'c's own mind, and Teal'c believed, deep down, that his fight was ultimately a fruitless one. The game was throwing impossible scenarios at him because Teal'c himself subconsciously believed his fight was impossible to win.
2nd Feb '17 6:31:25 AM DarkHunter
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* Many of the ''VideoGame/SoulSeries'' games did this... Arcade mode of ''Soul Calibur II'' would CRUSH you if you got 2-0 victories 3 or more times in a row. I remember being hit by [[{{Stripperific}} Ivy's]] various [[UselessUsefulSpell uber moves]] 4 times in a direct row, when most players have to practice for 3 hours to work out one of those moves. Cervantes's various teleport-jump moves would work constantly, and he'd use them constantly, when they only worked about 1/3 of the time for me, with minimum effectiveness. Case of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard, too.

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* Many of the ''VideoGame/SoulSeries'' games did this... Arcade mode of ''Soul Calibur II'' would CRUSH you if you got 2-0 victories 3 or more times in a row. I remember being hit by [[{{Stripperific}} Ivy's]] various [[UselessUsefulSpell uber moves]] 4 times in a direct row, when most players have to practice for 3 hours to work out one of those moves. Cervantes's various teleport-jump moves would work constantly, and he'd use them constantly, when they only worked about 1/3 of the time for me, with minimum effectiveness. Case of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard, too.



** The {{Tekken}} games also do this. Win a certain amount of matches (sometimes as little as two, though your streak can be as high as twenty) and the game seemingly becomes a gambling machine, setting itself to win no matter what you do.

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** * The {{Tekken}} games also do this. Win a certain amount of matches (sometimes as little as two, though your streak can be as high as twenty) and the game seemingly becomes a gambling machine, setting itself to win no matter what you do.
18th Jan '17 9:55:46 PM Arha
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* It can be quite frustrating when doing Goron Races in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask'' because no matter how well or poorly you do the racers will always be rocketing in front of you and then falling behind, meaning only the last few seconds really matter. On the other hand, even if you're terrible and keep crashing the AI won't get very far ahead of you. Presumably the other racers stopped to laugh at you.
12th Jan '17 5:09:50 PM Geodude6
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* Once you control a majority of territories on the map in ''[[{{VideoGame/PokemonConquest}} Pokemon Conquest]]'' (e.g. nine of 17, five of eight, four of seven, etc.) the opposing warlords will [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard jump the levels of its mons to match yours]]. Except it doesn't work correctly: the level jump is decided by your strongest nation (regardless of how many people are in there) and how many nations you have adjacent to their territories and how strong their allies get. Which means if say you have someone surrounded on all sides with 6 warriors in your strongest nation with a strength of 1500 and they have 4 people their levels will jump up to match yours but because it's split between 4 instead of 6, they're a hell of a lot harder to beat. On the other hand, this can fail spectacularly if it messes up and instead they'll be at half your strength instead.
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