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9th Feb '17 12:25:33 AM Nakuyabi
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* The TropeCodifier is, of course, a certain notorious incident in the history of English Church-State relations in the twelfth century. [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]] was frustrated with Archbishop Thomas Becket, his former friend, and said something like (according to popular tradition) "Will no one rid me of this troublesome [or turbulent] priest?" or (according to a contemporary biographer) "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?" A couple of Mooks decided to take care of it themselves, by killing Becket. Henry II took it badly, as did many in England. The reason for Henry's frustration, namely Becket defying the wishes of the king who had nominated him [[note]]Henry II had been laying the foundations of the English legal system (which would, in its turn, become the foundation for the legal system of half the world). The Church objected to being expected, distinctly against the custom of the time, to obey national laws, in one of the pivotal clashes between church and state[[/note]], had alienated many who already regarded Henry as an outsider (neither an Englishman or even a Norman, but an ''Angevin'') who was subverting local custom and concentrating too much power in the central government. Becket's personal popularity and the fact that he was discovered to be wearing a hairshirt under his clothing (a rather serious act of asceticism, as hairshirts are about as comfortable as a shirt made of sandpaper) only added to the outrage that the national leader of the Church had been savagely and shamelessly hacked to death in front of a church altar; Henry had to perform public penance over the issue and Becket rapidly became St. Thomas.

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* The TropeCodifier is, of course, a certain notorious incident in the history of English Church-State relations in the twelfth century. A raging-drunk [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]] was frustrated with Archbishop Thomas Becket, his former friend, and said something like (according to popular tradition) "Will no one rid me of this troublesome [or turbulent] priest?" or (according to a contemporary biographer) "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?" A couple of Mooks decided to take care of it themselves, by killing Becket. Henry II took it badly, as did many in England. The reason for Henry's frustration, namely Becket defying the wishes of the king who had nominated him [[note]]Henry II had been laying the foundations of the English legal system (which would, in its turn, become the foundation for the legal system of half the world). The Church objected to being expected, distinctly against the custom of the time, to obey national laws, in one of the pivotal clashes between church and state[[/note]], had alienated many who already regarded Henry as an outsider (neither an Englishman or even a Norman, but an ''Angevin'') who was subverting local custom and concentrating too much power in the central government. Becket's personal popularity and the fact that he was discovered to be wearing a hairshirt under his clothing (a rather serious act of asceticism, as hairshirts are about as comfortable as a shirt made of sandpaper) only added to the outrage that the national leader of the Church had been savagely and shamelessly hacked to death in front of a church altar; Henry had to perform public penance over the issue and Becket rapidly became St. Thomas.


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** While Hitler was hardly oblivious, the Holocaust being intended as a favor to him was real enough, which gives the lie to so very many of the lower-level Nazis' later claims that they were JustFollowingOrders. Hitler didn't give his underlings a lot of specific orders, and he didn't have to; his officers mostly just instructed their minions to "work toward Hitler" i.e. do whatever they thought he would want them to do for him. That the Holocaust proved to be their very accurate assessment of what he wanted absolves neither him nor them of their atrocities.
7th Dec '16 3:19:45 PM DarkHunter
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* ''WebOriginal/HonestTrailers'' did this in their ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' trailer, poking fun at the {{Challenge Gamer}}s the series tends to attract.

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* ''WebOriginal/HonestTrailers'' ''WebVideo/HonestTrailers'' did this in their ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' trailer, poking fun at the {{Challenge Gamer}}s the series tends to attract.
7th Dec '16 3:18:05 PM DarkHunter
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* ''WebOriginal/HonestTrailers'' did this in their ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' trailer, poking fun at the {{Challenge Gamer}}s the series tends to attract.
-->'''Epic Voice Guy''': [You beat the game?] Well, good for you! Let's see you beat it with a ''VideoGame/RockBand'' controller, then we'll talk!\\
''[cut to a video clip of a player doing exactly that]''\\
'''Epic Voice Guy''': Okay, um... wow.
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24th Nov '16 10:34:19 AM Valiona
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', Yosuke signs up the girls of the party for the school festival's beauty pageant without their consent, thus angering them, since they aren't allowed to back out even if they didn't choose to sign up. The next day, Yosuke finds out that he, the PlayerCharacter and Kanji have all been signed up for the crossdressing pageant, at least partly as retaliation. He confronts Chie over this, but eventually submits to it.
-->'''Yosuke''': We all end up in the same boat, without our consent... What kinda joke is this...?
-->'''Chie''': Uhh... the exact same joke you pulled on us!
30th Oct '16 2:11:41 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Theatre/RichardII'', Bolingbroke (aka HenryIV) says, "Have I no friend will rid me of this living fear?" and Exton interprets this as an order to kill the already defeated King Richard. Henry develops a serious GuiltComplex about this and tries to [[TheAtoner atone]] [[ValuesDissonance by launching a crusade]].

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* In ''Theatre/RichardII'', Bolingbroke (aka HenryIV) Theatre/HenryIV) says, "Have I no friend will rid me of this living fear?" and Exton interprets this as an order to kill the already defeated King Richard. Henry develops a serious GuiltComplex about this and tries to [[TheAtoner atone]] [[ValuesDissonance by launching a crusade]].
19th Oct '16 6:05:28 PM Kalaong
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* In the ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' short "Expiration Date", Soldier flies into a rage that his team can't teleport bread anymore after being shown bread with tumors. Engineer replies that he "can teleport as much bread as [he] like[s]" to calm him down. [[spoiler: Soldier spends the ''entire'' [[TooDumbToLive three days of living teleporting so much bread that it creates a gargantuan bread monster.]]]]

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* In the ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' short "Expiration Date", "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLlLQ3LmZWU Expiration Date]]", Soldier flies into a rage that his team can't teleport bread anymore after being shown bread with tumors. Engineer replies that he "can teleport as much bread as [he] like[s]" to calm him down. [[spoiler: Soldier spends the ''entire'' [[TooDumbToLive three days of living teleporting so much bread that it creates a gargantuan bread monster.]]]]
10th Oct '16 2:51:39 PM falcon2484
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* In an episode of ''Michael Hayes'', a radical right-wing radio talk show host (who rails on the airwaves about government corruption) tries to use this as a defense when one of his listeners murders an ATF agent, and U.S. Attorney Hayes brings the host up on charges for soliciting the murder. [[spoiler:His defense is destroyed when Hayes proves not only that he knew the murderer, but met with him personally just a day before the deed was done.]]
21st Sep '16 10:14:11 AM kyeo
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* In ''Film/TheShining'', Jack is feeling the effects of his alcohol withdrawal as the months wear on, and after stumbling into the (emptied out) hotel bar, puts his face in his hands. He bitterly mumbles out, "I'd sell my Goddamn soul for just a glass of beer..." and looks up to see his old bartender Lloyd standing behind the counter. Lloyd immediately begins supplying Jack with alcohol, after which point he becomes deranged and violent toward his family.
19th Sep '16 7:35:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''[[RealmOfTheElderlings Mad Ship]]'', after being constantly mistreated by Kyle, his rather terrible father, for a book and a half, Wintrow cries out in anguish to the pirate Kennit that he wished someone would make his father just disappear. He's smart enough to make it clear that he specifically does ''not'' want his father dead, just gone. Still, he didn't actually ''want'' Kennit to drag Kyle out of bed in the middle of the night a few days later and grant his wish, imprisoning Kyle in a secret dungeon few people even know exists, nor is he pleased to discover his father missing.
* Faking one of these and then killing the underling "responsible" is suggested as a way of eliminating political enemies in ''ThePrince''. It's one of the few strategies in the book with a "seriously, don't really do this" disclaimer.

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* In ''[[RealmOfTheElderlings ''[[Literature/RealmOfTheElderlings Mad Ship]]'', after being constantly mistreated by Kyle, his rather terrible father, for a book and a half, Wintrow cries out in anguish to the pirate Kennit that he wished someone would make his father just disappear. He's smart enough to make it clear that he specifically does ''not'' want his father dead, just gone. Still, he didn't actually ''want'' Kennit to drag Kyle out of bed in the middle of the night a few days later and grant his wish, imprisoning Kyle in a secret dungeon few people even know exists, nor is he pleased to discover his father missing.
* Faking one of these and then killing the underling "responsible" is suggested as a way of eliminating political enemies in ''ThePrince''.''Literature/ThePrince''. It's one of the few strategies in the book with a "seriously, don't really do this" disclaimer.
31st Aug '16 1:34:07 PM IamTheCaligula
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-->'''[[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Sukuna]]''': SEIJAAAA!!\\

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-->'''[[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Sukuna]]''': Shinmyoumaru]]''': SEIJAAAA!!\\
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