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7th Sep '17 12:32:36 PM CosmicFerret
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* During the "Velocity 9" arc of ''TheFlash'', Vandal Savage explains the addictive effect of the Velocity 9 drug, saying that he just has to suggest one of the addicts kill another and he would do so. Then, an addict kills another and Savage coldly explains that he was being rhetorical.

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* During the "Velocity 9" arc of ''TheFlash'', ''ComicBook/TheFlash'', Vandal Savage explains the addictive effect of the Velocity 9 drug, saying that he just has to suggest one of the addicts kill another and he would do so. Then, an addict kills another and Savage coldly explains that he was being rhetorical.
2nd Sep '17 5:04:48 AM VicGeorge2011
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** King David is on the run from his son, who has usurped the throne, and remarks apparently to himself that he misses drinking water from his hometown well. In this case the desire is genuine but he doesn't expect it to actually happen. But one of his best warriors overheard, gathered a few other mighty men together, and broke through enemy lines to bring back Bethlehem well water, and the King was appalled that anyone would actually risk his life for that.

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** King As recorded in 2nd Samuel chapter 23 (and also in 1st Chronicles chapter 11), David is on was in the run from his son, who has usurped stronghold in the throne, cave of Adullam while the Philistine garrison was in Bethlehem, and remarks apparently to himself that he misses drinking water from his hometown well. In this case the desire is genuine but he doesn't expect it to actually happen. But one of his best warriors overheard, gathered a few other mighty men together, and broke through enemy lines to bring back Bethlehem well water, and the King was appalled that anyone would actually risk his life for that.
31st Aug '17 5:11:46 PM DarkHunter
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** God would occasionally invoke this when He wanted to teach His people a lesson. Such as the time the Israelites were too frightened to conquer Canaan, even with God on their side, and declared that they wished they'd died in the desert rather than face this battle. So God lead them in circles in the desert until every man who had said that had actually died in the desert. In another case, the general Gideon declared that if God brought him victory in battle, he would sacrifice the first thing he saw at his home when he returned as thanks. The first thing he saw was his own daughter (it is disputed whether he literally sacrificed her or if she was sent to work as a temple maiden and therefore made unmarriable, as God was generally very much against HumanSacrifice). Even today many Christians will caution against swearing an oath to God unless you really, ''really'' mean what you say.

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** God would occasionally invoke this when He wanted to teach His people a lesson. Such as the time the Israelites were too frightened to conquer Canaan, even with God on their side, and declared that they wished they'd died in the desert rather than face this battle. So God lead them in circles in the desert until every man who had said that had actually died in the desert. In another case, the general Gideon Jephthah declared that if God brought him victory in battle, he would sacrifice the first thing he saw at his home when he returned as thanks. The first thing he saw was his own daughter (it is disputed whether he literally sacrificed her or if she was sent to work as a temple maiden and therefore made unmarriable, as God was generally very much against HumanSacrifice). Even today many Christians will caution against swearing an oath to God unless you really, ''really'' mean what you say.
31st Aug '17 5:00:19 PM DarkHunter
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* There's even a version of this in Literature/TheBible. King David is on the run from his son, who has usurped the throne, and remarks apparently to himself that he misses drinking water from his hometown well. In this case the desire is genuine but he doesn't expect it to actually happen. But one of his best warriors overheard, gathered a few other mighty men together, and broke through enemy lines to bring back Bethlehem well water, and the King was appalled that anyone would actually risk his life for that.

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* There's even a version of this in Literature/TheBible. Literature/TheBible:
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King David is on the run from his son, who has usurped the throne, and remarks apparently to himself that he misses drinking water from his hometown well. In this case the desire is genuine but he doesn't expect it to actually happen. But one of his best warriors overheard, gathered a few other mighty men together, and broke through enemy lines to bring back Bethlehem well water, and the King was appalled that anyone would actually risk his life for that.that.
** God would occasionally invoke this when He wanted to teach His people a lesson. Such as the time the Israelites were too frightened to conquer Canaan, even with God on their side, and declared that they wished they'd died in the desert rather than face this battle. So God lead them in circles in the desert until every man who had said that had actually died in the desert. In another case, the general Gideon declared that if God brought him victory in battle, he would sacrifice the first thing he saw at his home when he returned as thanks. The first thing he saw was his own daughter (it is disputed whether he literally sacrificed her or if she was sent to work as a temple maiden and therefore made unmarriable, as God was generally very much against HumanSacrifice). Even today many Christians will caution against swearing an oath to God unless you really, ''really'' mean what you say.
13th Aug '17 1:22:33 PM cordychase
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* In ''Series/Preacher2016'', Jesse runs afoul of this several times after receiving the Voice, which compels people to obey him. For example, he tells a parishioner to "be brave and open his heart" when talking to his overbearing mother. Cue the parishioner taking a knife to his chest in the middle of a nursing home. [[spoiler: He also accidentally sends Eugene to Hell in a moment of anger.]]
13th Aug '17 1:17:10 PM cordychase
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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', vengeance demons thrive around this sort of thing.

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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', vengeance demons thrive around this sort of thing.thing, taking it as literally and gorily as possible. For example: a girl, humiliated by her boyfriend in front of his fraternity brothers, yells, "I wish you would all know what it's like to have your heart ripped out!" Anya, trying to get back in her boss's good graces, pops in and relieves everyone but the girl of their hearts. Messily.
6th Jul '17 2:45:26 PM DarkHunter
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'''Shepard:''' [exasperated] Conrad, I'm building an ancient, Prothean, dark energy device to stop the Reapers. Can you help with ''that''?\\

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'''Shepard:''' [exasperated] ''[exasperated]'' Conrad, I'm building an ancient, Prothean, dark energy device to stop the Reapers. Can you help with ''that''?\\



'''Shepard:''' [[{{Beat}} [long pause]]] ... [[SarcasmFailure Really?]]

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'''Shepard:''' [[{{Beat}} ''[[{{Beat}} [long pause]]] ...pause]]]'' ... [[SarcasmFailure Really?]]
30th Apr '17 5:54:58 PM nombretomado
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* In one ''{{Touhou}}'' {{yonkoma}} by Finnish doujin artist setz, [[LittlePeople Shinmyoumaru Sukuna]] muses to [[InterfaceScrew Seija Kijin]] as they're lying down in the grass, looking at clouds, that it would be interesting to see an upside down tree. Cue {{beat}} panel followed by this line:

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* In one ''{{Touhou}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' {{yonkoma}} by Finnish doujin artist setz, [[LittlePeople Shinmyoumaru Sukuna]] muses to [[InterfaceScrew Seija Kijin]] as they're lying down in the grass, looking at clouds, that it would be interesting to see an upside down tree. Cue {{beat}} panel followed by this line:
9th Apr '17 1:34:50 PM nombretomado
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* Invoked in ''SailorNothing''. The AlphaBitch Ami has been a thorn in the side for the heroes for all of the story, with pretty much all of them having some sort of grudge against her. [[spoiler:Thus, in order to show the heroes just what it means to ''hate'' somebody, [[TheDragon Argon]] decides to [[FateWorseThanDeath give them what they want]], or ''thought'' they want until they actually saw what it entailed.]]

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* Invoked in ''SailorNothing''.''Literature/SailorNothing''. The AlphaBitch Ami has been a thorn in the side for the heroes for all of the story, with pretty much all of them having some sort of grudge against her. [[spoiler:Thus, in order to show the heroes just what it means to ''hate'' somebody, [[TheDragon Argon]] decides to [[FateWorseThanDeath give them what they want]], or ''thought'' they want until they actually saw what it entailed.]]
9th Feb '17 12:25:33 AM Nakuyabi
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* The TropeCodifier is, of course, a certain notorious incident in the history of English Church-State relations in the twelfth century. [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]] was frustrated with Archbishop Thomas Becket, his former friend, and said something like (according to popular tradition) "Will no one rid me of this troublesome [or turbulent] priest?" or (according to a contemporary biographer) "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?" A couple of Mooks decided to take care of it themselves, by killing Becket. Henry II took it badly, as did many in England. The reason for Henry's frustration, namely Becket defying the wishes of the king who had nominated him [[note]]Henry II had been laying the foundations of the English legal system (which would, in its turn, become the foundation for the legal system of half the world). The Church objected to being expected, distinctly against the custom of the time, to obey national laws, in one of the pivotal clashes between church and state[[/note]], had alienated many who already regarded Henry as an outsider (neither an Englishman or even a Norman, but an ''Angevin'') who was subverting local custom and concentrating too much power in the central government. Becket's personal popularity and the fact that he was discovered to be wearing a hairshirt under his clothing (a rather serious act of asceticism, as hairshirts are about as comfortable as a shirt made of sandpaper) only added to the outrage that the national leader of the Church had been savagely and shamelessly hacked to death in front of a church altar; Henry had to perform public penance over the issue and Becket rapidly became St. Thomas.

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* The TropeCodifier is, of course, a certain notorious incident in the history of English Church-State relations in the twelfth century. A raging-drunk [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]] was frustrated with Archbishop Thomas Becket, his former friend, and said something like (according to popular tradition) "Will no one rid me of this troublesome [or turbulent] priest?" or (according to a contemporary biographer) "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?" A couple of Mooks decided to take care of it themselves, by killing Becket. Henry II took it badly, as did many in England. The reason for Henry's frustration, namely Becket defying the wishes of the king who had nominated him [[note]]Henry II had been laying the foundations of the English legal system (which would, in its turn, become the foundation for the legal system of half the world). The Church objected to being expected, distinctly against the custom of the time, to obey national laws, in one of the pivotal clashes between church and state[[/note]], had alienated many who already regarded Henry as an outsider (neither an Englishman or even a Norman, but an ''Angevin'') who was subverting local custom and concentrating too much power in the central government. Becket's personal popularity and the fact that he was discovered to be wearing a hairshirt under his clothing (a rather serious act of asceticism, as hairshirts are about as comfortable as a shirt made of sandpaper) only added to the outrage that the national leader of the Church had been savagely and shamelessly hacked to death in front of a church altar; Henry had to perform public penance over the issue and Becket rapidly became St. Thomas.


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** While Hitler was hardly oblivious, the Holocaust being intended as a favor to him was real enough, which gives the lie to so very many of the lower-level Nazis' later claims that they were JustFollowingOrders. Hitler didn't give his underlings a lot of specific orders, and he didn't have to; his officers mostly just instructed their minions to "work toward Hitler" i.e. do whatever they thought he would want them to do for him. That the Holocaust proved to be their very accurate assessment of what he wanted absolves neither him nor them of their atrocities.
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