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5th Sep '17 10:14:59 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'', Genesis was a pretentious VillainSue[=/=]CreatorsPet that the audience was supposed to feel sorry for because of his [[YourDaysAreNumbered terminal illness]]. ''Loads'' of readers found Genesis a ton more likeable in ''FanFic/TheFifthAct'', after [[PeggySue Cloud]] prevents him from JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope via curing him. After gaining a new lease on life, Genesis grows to become kind and less fatalistic. He grows out of his resentment of his friends, realizing that he could have lost them forever if he had died. He tones down his pretentiousness after his self-confidence grows after he attempts to befriend Cloud. Even his constant quoting of "Loveless" is used rather tastefully, particularly with how the ''[[ShowWithInAShow Loveless]]'' play and its unfinished nature is one of the story's major themes and how other characters also reference it.

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* In ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'', Genesis was a pretentious VillainSue[=/=]CreatorsPet CreatorsPet that the audience was supposed to feel sorry for because of his [[YourDaysAreNumbered terminal illness]]. ''Loads'' of readers found Genesis a ton more likeable in ''FanFic/TheFifthAct'', after [[PeggySue Cloud]] prevents him from JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope via curing him. After gaining a new lease on life, Genesis grows to become kind and less fatalistic. He grows out of his resentment of his friends, realizing that he could have lost them forever if he had died. He tones down his pretentiousness after his self-confidence grows after he attempts to befriend Cloud. Even his constant quoting of "Loveless" is used rather tastefully, particularly with how the ''[[ShowWithInAShow Loveless]]'' play and its unfinished nature is one of the story's major themes and how other characters also reference it.



* Roboute Guilliman in ''Literature/HorusHeresy''. After that disastrous Ultramarines codex plunged the Chapter into MarySue territory, Guilliman became fandom's chief Scrappy, with his very own mocking meme of "Spiritual Liege". In ''Heresy'' books, however, he's portrayed as responsible, paying attention to the common mortals, intelligent and actually critical of his [[BigBookOfWar Codex Astartes]], earning him more sympathy of the fans.
* Another victim of the Ultramarine codex, Cato Sicarius, finally got redeemed in ''Literature/SpaceMarineBattles''. Pre-planned as TheAce, he came across more like GloryHound MarySue until book ''Veil of Darkness'' came and turned him into rather sympathetic BrokenAce. It helps that it was the first time we've ever seen inside of his mind.

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* Roboute Guilliman in ''Literature/HorusHeresy''. After that disastrous Ultramarines codex plunged the Chapter into MarySue CreatorsPet territory, Guilliman became fandom's chief Scrappy, with his very own mocking meme of "Spiritual Liege". In ''Heresy'' books, however, he's portrayed as responsible, paying attention to the common mortals, intelligent and actually critical of his [[BigBookOfWar Codex Astartes]], earning him more sympathy of the fans.
* Another victim of the Ultramarine codex, Cato Sicarius, finally got redeemed in ''Literature/SpaceMarineBattles''. Pre-planned as TheAce, he came across more like GloryHound MarySue until book ''Veil of Darkness'' came and turned him into rather sympathetic BrokenAce. It helps that it was the first time we've ever seen inside of his mind.



** Not everyone would [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks agree with that]]. Yes, the Necrons did have a reputation as a bit of a VillainSue, but many people did like the scary EldritchAbomination and EnigmaticMinion aspects of their lore, and flipped out when these were removed. The general consensus of the [[FanNickname Oldcrons vs. Newcrons]] debate seems to be "Newcron game mechanics and units are better, but Oldcron lore and their general theme is better". The Forgeworld Imperial Armour release: Fall of Orpheus helped as well, by demonstrating that it was quite possible to keep many of the enigmatic horror elements that made the Oldcron fans loved, while still keeping with the new fluff.

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** Not everyone would [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks agree with that]]. Yes, the Necrons did have a reputation as a bit of a VillainSue, but many Many people did like the scary EldritchAbomination and EnigmaticMinion aspects of their lore, and flipped out when these were removed. The general consensus of the [[FanNickname Oldcrons vs. Newcrons]] debate seems to be "Newcron game mechanics and units are better, but Oldcron lore and their general theme is better". The Forgeworld Imperial Armour release: Fall of Orpheus helped as well, by demonstrating that it was quite possible to keep many of the enigmatic horror elements that made the Oldcron fans loved, while still keeping with the new fluff.
5th Sep '17 10:06:35 AM Wildstar93
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** Speaking of Berrynose, his mom Daisy had been seen by many fans to be useless and refusing to fight and hunt. But come ''The Last Hope'' in ''Omen Of The Stars'', and she's seen [[TookALevelInBadass beating up a Dark Forest cat for getting near the nursery]], and fans started warming up to her. As of ''A Vision Of Shadows'', Daisy is not only the oldest nursery queen, but she's also seen hunting and fighting like the other Clan cats.
2nd Aug '17 3:08:39 PM infernape612
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* In ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'', Genesis was a pretentious VillainSue[=/=]CreatorsPet that the audience was supposed to feel sorry for because of his [[YourDaysAreNumbered terminal illness]].''Loads'' of readers found Genesis a ton more likeable in ''FanFic/TheFifthAct'', after [[PeggySue Cloud]] prevents him from JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope via curing him. After gaining a new lease on life, Genesis grows to become kind and less fatalistic. He grows out of his resentment of his friends, realizing that he could have lost them forever if he had died. He tones down his pretentiousness after his self-confidence grows after he attempts to befriend Cloud. Even his constant quoting of "Loveless" is used rather tastefully, particularly with how the ''[[ShowWithInAShow Loveless]]'' play and its unfinished nature is one of the story's major themes and how other characters also reference it.

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* In ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'', Genesis was a pretentious VillainSue[=/=]CreatorsPet that the audience was supposed to feel sorry for because of his [[YourDaysAreNumbered terminal illness]]. ''Loads'' of readers found Genesis a ton more likeable in ''FanFic/TheFifthAct'', after [[PeggySue Cloud]] prevents him from JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope via curing him. After gaining a new lease on life, Genesis grows to become kind and less fatalistic. He grows out of his resentment of his friends, realizing that he could have lost them forever if he had died. He tones down his pretentiousness after his self-confidence grows after he attempts to befriend Cloud. Even his constant quoting of "Loveless" is used rather tastefully, particularly with how the ''[[ShowWithInAShow Loveless]]'' play and its unfinished nature is one of the story's major themes and how other characters also reference it.
22nd Jul '17 3:02:49 PM Gregzilla
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* ComicBook/ThePunisher has had three failed movie adaptions and among comic book fans was widely seen as a dated relic of the TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, despite predating it by about 15 years. Then came his stint in the second season of the critically acclaimed ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'' Netflix series, which heavily emphasized his moral ambiguity, leaving both characters and viewers skeptical about where the lines between understanding him, sympathizing with him, and/or condoning his actions lay. A particularly powerful performance by Creator/JonBernthal also gave it emotional weight that the previous ones lacked. This has had the effect of winning over both mainstream audiences and comic fans alike. He was eventually even greenlit for [[Series/ThePunisher his own show]].

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* ComicBook/ThePunisher has had three failed movie adaptions and among comic book fans was widely seen as a dated relic of the TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, despite predating it by about 15 years. Then came his stint in the second season of the critically acclaimed ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'' Netflix series, which heavily emphasized his moral ambiguity, leaving both characters and viewers skeptical about where the lines between understanding him, sympathizing with him, and/or condoning his actions lay. A particularly powerful performance by Creator/JonBernthal also gave it emotional weight that the previous ones lacked. This has had the effect of winning over both mainstream audiences and comic fans alike. He was eventually even greenlit for [[Series/ThePunisher [[Series/ThePunisher2017 his own show]].
21st Jul '17 10:39:12 AM merotoker
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* ''Deepest Descent'' by Succubus Yuri is a KingdomHearts story on Fanfiction.net. They made Kairi more than just a [[SatelliteLoveInterest girlfriend to the main character]]. She actually uses her new Keyblade in real combat. Though she still lacks in personality, she isn't afraid to take hits from dangerous foes. There are other good stories where she does have a developed personality, but this story has managed to [[TookALevelInBadass turn her into a force to be reckoned with]].

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* ''Deepest Descent'' by Succubus Yuri is a KingdomHearts Franchise/KingdomHearts story on Fanfiction.net. They made Kairi more than just a [[SatelliteLoveInterest girlfriend to the main character]]. She actually uses her new Keyblade in real combat. Though she still lacks in personality, she isn't afraid to take hits from dangerous foes. There are other good stories where she does have a developed personality, but this story has managed to [[TookALevelInBadass turn her into a force to be reckoned with]].



* The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse book ''Literature/TheCourtshipOfPrincessLeia'' had an exceedingly two-dimensional, generic froth-at-the-mouth-when-things-go-wrong bad [[VillainOfTheWeek villain-of-the-book]]. Warlord Zsinj was also [[FatBastard visibly overweight]], petty, and [[FatIdiot rather stupid]]. In the early books in the ''Comicbook/XWingSeries'', set before ''Courtship'', which don't show him directly, he's said to be cautious and opportunistic, and a character believes he's more dangerous than the notes on his file indicate. In the later Creator/AaronAllston books of that series he's a major character, a canny warlord who uses ObfuscatingStupidity despite knowing that plenty of the people he worked with can see through the act. He's still evil, but entertainingly and memorably so. In fact Zsinj was stated as being perhaps the most powerful third party in the galaxy, after the Empire and the New Republic. This means he was considered more powerful than the Hutts (who run a massive criminal empire), the Hapes Consortium (a high-tech amazon royalty with a very powerful military), and Kuat (a group of planets that's essentially a single ''massive'' shipyard). His biggest problem was his inability to properly administer his sector -- he was a military officer, not a good politician.

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* The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse book ''Literature/TheCourtshipOfPrincessLeia'' had an exceedingly two-dimensional, generic froth-at-the-mouth-when-things-go-wrong bad [[VillainOfTheWeek villain-of-the-book]]. Warlord Zsinj was also [[FatBastard visibly overweight]], petty, and [[FatIdiot rather stupid]]. In the early books in the ''Comicbook/XWingSeries'', set before ''Courtship'', which don't show him directly, he's said to be cautious and opportunistic, and a character believes he's more dangerous than the notes on his file indicate. In the later Creator/AaronAllston books of that series he's a major character, a canny warlord who uses ObfuscatingStupidity despite knowing that plenty of the people he worked with can see through the act. He's still evil, but entertainingly and memorably so. In fact Zsinj was stated as being perhaps the most powerful third party in the galaxy, after the Empire and the New Republic. This means he was considered more powerful than the Hutts (who run a massive criminal empire), the Hapes Consortium (a high-tech amazon Amazon royalty with a very powerful military), and Kuat (a group of planets that's essentially a single ''massive'' shipyard). His biggest problem was his inability to properly administer his sector -- he was a military officer, not a good politician.



* In ''TheHeroesOfOlympus'', Jason was seen by many as a bland and uninteresting character, especially compared to the rest of the Seven. In ''The House of Hades'' he finally gets some CharacterDevelopment, and his [[BigBrotherInstinct treatment of Nico]] [[spoiler:after Jason finds out about his crush on Percy]] in particular endeared him to readers.

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* In ''TheHeroesOfOlympus'', ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'', Jason was seen by many as a bland and uninteresting character, especially compared to the rest of the Seven. In ''The House of Hades'' he finally gets some CharacterDevelopment, and his [[BigBrotherInstinct treatment of Nico]] [[spoiler:after Jason finds out about his crush on Percy]] in particular endeared him to readers.



** Pathfinder's take on Soulknife (via third party publisher Dreamscarred Press) ''finally'' reworked it to such a point that it was actually a viable choice by letting it wear medium armor, giving it full base attack bonus and good hit die, having its signature ability ''actually scale properly'', giving it a bunch of archetypes that let their mind blade be a LaserSword, EnergyBow, ElementalPunch, [[StormOfBlades a slew of]] [[FlyingWeapon floating blades]], and more, and giving it a bunch of 'blade skills' that function a lot like rogue talents.

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** Pathfinder's take on Soulknife (via third party publisher Dreamscarred Press) ''finally'' reworked it to such a point that it was actually a viable choice by letting it wear medium armor, giving it full base attack bonus and good hit die, having its signature ability ''actually scale properly'', giving it a bunch of archetypes that let their mind blade be a LaserSword, LaserBlade, EnergyBow, ElementalPunch, [[StormOfBlades a slew of]] [[FlyingWeapon floating blades]], and more, and giving it a bunch of 'blade skills' that function a lot like rogue talents.



** Not everyone would [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks agree with that]]. Yes, the Necrons did have a reputation as a bit of a VillainSue, but many people did like the scary CosmicHorror and EnigmaticMinion aspects of their lore, and flipped out when these were removed. The general consensus of the [[FanNickname Oldcrons vs. Newcrons]] debate seems to be "Newcron game mechanics and units are better, but Oldcron lore and their general theme is better". The Forgeworld Imperial Armour release: Fall of Orpheus helped as well, by demonstrating that it was quite possible to keep many of the enigmatic horror elements that made the Oldcron fans loved, while still keeping with the new fluff.

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** Not everyone would [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks agree with that]]. Yes, the Necrons did have a reputation as a bit of a VillainSue, but many people did like the scary CosmicHorror EldritchAbomination and EnigmaticMinion aspects of their lore, and flipped out when these were removed. The general consensus of the [[FanNickname Oldcrons vs. Newcrons]] debate seems to be "Newcron game mechanics and units are better, but Oldcron lore and their general theme is better". The Forgeworld Imperial Armour release: Fall of Orpheus helped as well, by demonstrating that it was quite possible to keep many of the enigmatic horror elements that made the Oldcron fans loved, while still keeping with the new fluff.
22nd Apr '17 8:43:22 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* In ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' Corelle is a case of [[BigBrotherBully BigSisterBully]] at the beginning of the novel. However, after she gets severely punished for her misbehaviour [[spoiler: the punishment consists of having taken away everything she owns, except for her working clothes and guns]] she redeems herself by not whining about the punishment and protecting Jerin. At one point she even rescues him from dancing with a woman who embarrasses him, and comes up with a witty retort when the woman, who is a noble, objects.

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* In ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' Corelle is a case of [[BigBrotherBully BigSisterBully]] Big Sister Bully]] at the beginning of the novel. However, after she gets severely punished for her misbehaviour [[spoiler: the punishment consists of having taken away everything she owns, except for her working clothes and guns]] she redeems herself by not whining about the punishment and protecting Jerin. At one point she even rescues him from dancing with a woman who embarrasses him, and comes up with a witty retort when the woman, who is a noble, objects.
22nd Apr '17 5:01:21 AM FoxBluereaver
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* In ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'', one of the most notable examples of this is Iris, who was considered Ash's least popular female companion in the anime, being given a more interesting portrayal and background, which was ''very'' well-received by the readers. The author has stated that he will try to do the same with other characters, like Cameron.
1st Apr '17 4:32:59 PM MyFinalEdits
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*** While Lifegain *by itself* isn't good, *Commander 2013* introduced Oloro, a card that allows Lifegain *even if you didn't cast the card*, which can only be prevented once by a blue counter that must be able to stop activated abilities or with a Red Enchantment. While it's only 2 life in a format where everyone starts at 40, there's many ways to use/abuse it well given how Oloro allows both White and Black cards, both users of Life while also having accesses of blue.

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*** ** While Lifegain *by itself* by itself isn't good, *Commander 2013* Commander 2013 introduced Oloro, a card that allows Lifegain *even even if you didn't cast the card*, card, which can only be prevented once by a blue counter that must be able to stop activated abilities or with a Red Enchantment. While it's only 2 life in a format where everyone starts at 40, there's many ways to use/abuse it well given how Oloro allows both White and Black cards, both users of Life while also having accesses of blue.
1st Apr '17 1:55:44 PM MisterMasterPorky
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** Green as a color. Its creatures have been powered up and cheapened over the years (compare [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=186321 Terra Stomper]] to [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83977 Force of Nature]], for example). In Rise of the Eldrazi, it has an affinity-like ability where Khalni Hydra gets cheaper for each green creature you control.

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** Green as a color. Its creatures have been powered up and cheapened over the years (compare [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=186321 Terra Stomper]] to [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83977 Force of Nature]], for example). In Rise of the Eldrazi, it has an affinity-like ability where Khalni Hydra gets cheaper for each green creature you control. It has gotten to the point where in Modern, blue is considered the worst color while green is one of the best.



** Poison. The entire purpose of Scars of Mirrodin, Mirrodin Besieged, and New Phyrexia. Instead of "When CARDNAME damages a player, that player gets a poison counter.", infect creatures do damage equal to their power in poison counters, making it mutable, and more deadly. Although this has caused a bit of a BrokenBase in the Magic community, as there are plenty of people who absolutely ''hate'' the powerful Infect creatures running about Standard.
** Lifegain. Historically seen as weak, but [[LifeDrain lifelink]] creatures and equipment, and cards where lifegain is a side effect made it playable. Life payment made it useful.

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** Poison. The entire purpose While originally Poison was seen as too weak of a way to win, this was changed when Posion became a major mechanic of Scars of Mirrodin, Mirrodin Besieged, and New Phyrexia. Instead of "When CARDNAME damages a player, that player gets a poison counter.", infect creatures do damage to players equal to their power in poison counters while also dealing it to creatures as -1/-1 counters, making it mutable, and more deadly. Although this has caused a bit of a BrokenBase in the Magic community, as there are plenty of people who absolutely ''hate'' the powerful Infect creatures running about Standard.
** Lifegain. Historically seen as weak, but [[LifeDrain lifelink]] creatures and equipment, and cards where lifegain is a side effect made it playable. Life payment made also makes it useful.useful.
*** While Lifegain *by itself* isn't good, *Commander 2013* introduced Oloro, a card that allows Lifegain *even if you didn't cast the card*, which can only be prevented once by a blue counter that must be able to stop activated abilities or with a Red Enchantment. While it's only 2 life in a format where everyone starts at 40, there's many ways to use/abuse it well given how Oloro allows both White and Black cards, both users of Life while also having accesses of blue.
** Superfriends was mostly a fringe Commander deck archetype that revolved around trying to get a lot of Planeswalkers on the Battlefield. It gained an extreme amount of support when *Commander 2016* introduced Atraxa, a commander that has the ability to add a counter of any type to any permanent or player. Combined with Doubling Season, which doubles the amount of Loyalty counters a 'Walker can start with, one can easily activate abilities that usually would take a few turns (if nothing is damaging the Planeswalker) to happen almost instantly.
22nd Mar '17 12:21:10 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12290311/6/The-Black-Emperor The Black Emperor]]'' does this for [[Franchise/CodeGeass Nina Einstein]]. Thanks to [[ForWantOfANail things playing out differently than they did in canon]], she's making an effort to grow out of her xenophobia and isn't obsessed with Princess Euphemia. The reception to these changes has been ''very'' positive. [[spoiler:Joining the Black Knights and getting a Geass only helped in this regard]].

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12290311/6/The-Black-Emperor net/s/12290311/1/The-Black-Emperor The Black Emperor]]'' does this for [[Franchise/CodeGeass Nina Einstein]]. Thanks to [[ForWantOfANail things playing out differently than they did in canon]], she's making an effort to grow out of her xenophobia and isn't obsessed with Princess Euphemia. The reception to these changes has been ''very'' positive. [[spoiler:Joining the Black Knights and getting a Geass only helped in this regard]].
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