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24th Oct '17 7:22:36 PM nombretomado
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When it comes to equipment designed and produced by the [[ChineseWithChopperSupport Peoples Liberation Army]] (as opposed to imported or licensed hardware) the usual methodology is to reset the number and add a "C" too the front of one of the above designations. For example: The CSS-4 (Chinese designation Dongfeng 5), which was the first true Chinese ICBM.

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When it comes to equipment designed and produced by the [[ChineseWithChopperSupport [[UsefulNotes/ChineseWithChopperSupport Peoples Liberation Army]] (as opposed to imported or licensed hardware) the usual methodology is to reset the number and add a "C" too the front of one of the above designations. For example: The CSS-4 (Chinese designation Dongfeng 5), which was the first true Chinese ICBM.
21st Oct '17 3:02:28 PM nombretomado
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* In the second book of the ''Literature/TheThirdWorldWar'', a section is devoted to an Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) version of the Il-76 "Candid" transport plane, called the Il-76C or "Cooker". Just before the war kicks off in the Central Region of NATO (i.e. WestGermany), one has to make an emergency landing at a Polish airport. The Polish ground crew nick the operating manuals and pass them to UsefulNotes/{{NATO}}. As the crew don't wish to feel the wrath of their superiors for losing the documents, they don't report the theft and NATO is able to render the "Cooker" ineffective.

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* In the second book of the ''Literature/TheThirdWorldWar'', a section is devoted to an Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) version of the Il-76 "Candid" transport plane, called the Il-76C or "Cooker". Just before the war kicks off in the Central Region of NATO (i.e. WestGermany), UsefulNotes/WestGermany), one has to make an emergency landing at a Polish airport. The Polish ground crew nick the operating manuals and pass them to UsefulNotes/{{NATO}}. As the crew don't wish to feel the wrath of their superiors for losing the documents, they don't report the theft and NATO is able to render the "Cooker" ineffective.
7th Oct '17 9:40:01 PM nombretomado
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** The Hind was featured in the ''Rambo'' series, ''Red Dawn'' and ''BloodDiamond'', among other films, and ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3'' went so far as to 'reveal' that Big Boss came up with the name "Hind". It also inspired the LAAT transport gunships in the ''StarWars'' prequels.

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** The Hind was featured in the ''Rambo'' series, ''Red Dawn'' and ''BloodDiamond'', ''Film/BloodDiamond'', among other films, and ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3'' went so far as to 'reveal' that Big Boss came up with the name "Hind". It also inspired the LAAT transport gunships in the ''StarWars'' prequels.
6th Oct '17 11:17:51 AM SSJMagus
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** It will likely always be known as the Backfire in the west because of the strange nature of its actual name. The "M" at the end stands for modern and is absolutely critical because the Tu-22 without the M is a completely different (and crappy) aircraft, with its own reporting name "Blinder". The Soviets didn't want to shill out and award Tupolev with the money to design a new plane so they just gave him enough to modernize the Tu-22. [[LoopholeAbuse Tupolev designed a new aircraft anyway and it was designated the Tu-22M, technically a variant of the Tu-22.]]

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** It will likely always be known as the Backfire in the west because of the strange nature of its actual name. The "M" at the end stands for modern and is absolutely critical because the Tu-22 without the M is a completely different (and crappy) aircraft, with its own reporting name "Blinder". The Soviets didn't want to shill out and award Tupolev with the money to design a new plane so they just gave him enough to modernize the Tu-22. [[LoopholeAbuse Tupolev designed a new aircraft anyway and it was designated the Tu-22M, technically a variant of the Tu-22.]]]] Some western sources also mistakenly believed that the production models ([=Tu-22M2=] "Backfire-B" onward), which were significantly improved from the prototype and pre-production aircraft, had the separate designation of Tu-26. This was not the case, but the error spread widely enough to further confuse the issue of the plane's Soviet designation.



* "Firefox" - The fictitious reporting name for the [=MiG-31=] from the [[Literature/{{Firefox}} book (and film) of the same name]], which was [[VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory Very Loosely Based]] on contemporary rumours that the new aircraft would be some kind of SovietSuperScience-powered GameBreaker. The RealLife [=MiG-31=], which looks nothing like the plane in the movie, has the reporting name "Foxhound" -- it's an interceptor with a Mach 2.8 top speed, the ability to climb to the edge of space, an advanced PESA radar and 10 missiles. Undergoing upgrades to become a multi-role aircraft.

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* "Firefox" - The fictitious reporting name for the [=MiG-31=] from the [[Literature/{{Firefox}} book (and film) of the same name]], which was [[VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory Very Loosely Based]] on contemporary rumours that the new aircraft would be some kind of SovietSuperScience-powered GameBreaker. The RealLife [=MiG-31=], which looks nothing like the plane in the movie, has the reporting name "Foxhound" -- it's an interceptor with a Mach 2.8 top speed, the ability to climb to the edge of space, an advanced PESA radar and 6 to 10 missiles.missiles depending on the type carried. Undergoing upgrades to become a multi-role aircraft.



* "Foxbat" - The [=MiG-25=] interceptor aircraft. Capable of reaching a blistering Mach 3.2 and an altitude of over 80,000 feet, but had a very short range and wasn't very maneuverable, as the Americans learned when a Soviet pilot defected with one of them (when they were done with it, they gave it back to the USSR. In over 60 boxes). It sacrificed a lot of combat ability for its phenomenal performance, but it was nevertheless the only aircraft able to cause trouble to SR-71 flights, and fast enough to outrun many air-to-air missiles.

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* "Foxbat" - The [=MiG-25=] interceptor aircraft. Capable of reaching a blistering Mach 3.2 and an altitude of over 80,000 feet, but had a very short range and wasn't very maneuverable, as the Americans learned when a Soviet pilot defected with one of them (when they were done with it, they gave it back to the USSR. In over 60 boxes). It sacrificed a lot of combat ability for its phenomenal performance, but it was nevertheless the only aircraft able to cause trouble to SR-71 flights, and fast enough to outrun many air-to-air missiles. The above-mentioned "Foxhound" is a greatly-improved evolution of the "Foxbat" design.



All submarine classes are named, in random order, for a letter in the MilitaryAlphabet (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc..). When they ran out, the next class was named "Akula" ("shark" in Russian). It should be noted that the same name was actually given by the Soviets to what the West called the "Typhoon", which causes some confusion among sub spotters. The Cold War ended before more classes came out post-"Graney". These are sub-divided with a Roman numeral afterwards, such as "Delta IV" for the Delfin type of Soviet SSBN.

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All submarine classes are named, in random order, for a letter in the MilitaryAlphabet (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc..). When they ran out, the next class was named "Akula" ("shark" in Russian). It should be noted that the same name was actually given by the Soviets to what the West called the "Typhoon", which causes some confusion among sub spotters. The Cold War ended before more classes came out post-"Graney". The intention was to continue using fish names, but since Russia has been somewhat less secretive about the introduction of new submarines (publicly announcing the names of each new sub while it's under construction) NATO has simply used the name of the first ship as the reporting name. These are sub-divided with a Roman numeral afterwards, afterwards for modified versions, such as "Delta IV" for the Delfin type of Soviet SSBN.
SSBN. Though in at least one case (the "Echo I" and "Echo II") the Soviets considered them to actually be separate classes; Project 659 for the former and Project 675 for the latter despite their extreme similarity.



Surface ship classes have a variety of different names. A ship might go from temporary designations, to Russian words beginning with "K" to "first in class" names (rendered in "''italics''" here), which the Soviet Union and Russia don't actually do, tending to use names of birds for their bigger ships (and in all cases using a Project number; when a name is also used for the class it's appended after the number). There were also "shipyard first sited" names for more minor vessels, as well as Russian diminutives, bird names...

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Surface ship classes have a variety of different names. A ship might go from temporary designations, to Russian words beginning with "K" (for "korabl", Russian for "warship") to "first in class" names (rendered in "''italics''" here), which the Soviet Union and Russia don't actually do, tending to use names of birds for their bigger ships (and in all cases using a Project number; when a name is also used for the class it's appended after the number). number; Project numbers are not sequential and sometimes are reused, so the bird names can also serve a disambiguation purpose). Additionally, the ship NATO ''thought'' was the first of the class isn't always the ''actual'' class leader.[[note]]For example, the Type 7U destroyer was known in the West as thhe ''Soobrazitelnyy'' class, but that was actually the third Type 7U built; the first was ''Storozhevoi''.[[/note]] There were also "shipyard first sited" names for more minor vessels, vessels (this was standard for destroyers at the very start of the Cold War, until it occurred to NATO that the Soviets had a finite number of shipyards and this would've resulted in lots of repeat names), as well as Russian diminutives, bird names...
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Fast attack craft, both torpedo boats and the succeeding missile boats, were given the Russian names of insects. Which is another potential cause of confusion because the Soviets themselves ''also'' named their boats after insects, but naturally didn't choose the same insects as NATO.



* -N- as a middle designator is for a naval system, for the example the P-120 Malakhit/SS-N-9 "Siren" anti-shipping missile. It does not designate a naval version of the land-based missile with the same number: the ship-based version of the 9K33 Osa/SA-8 "Gecko" is called the 9K33M Osa-M/SA-N-4 "Gecko". However, when a naval missile is a variant of a land-based one they ''will'' always have the same reporting name. Variants of the same missile are ''always'' the same (with letter suffixes to denote which variant), with the exception of missiles that have both surface- and air-launched versions.

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* -N- as a middle designator is for a naval system, for the example the P-120 Malakhit/SS-N-9 "Siren" anti-shipping missile. It does not designate a naval version of the land-based missile with the same number: the ship-based version of the 9K33 Osa/SA-8 "Gecko" is called the 9K33M Osa-M/SA-N-4 "Gecko". However, when a naval missile is a variant of a land-based one they ''will'' always have the same reporting name. Variants of the same missile are ''always'' the same reporting name (with letter suffixes to denote which variant), with the exception of missiles that have both surface- and air-launched versions.



* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', the Zeon refer to the titular HumongousMecha and its carrier as "White Devil" and "Trojan Horse" respectively before learning their true names from Cozun Graham. Oddly, the Guncannon and Guntank apparently don't get reporting names and are simply refered to as "The Red One" and "You Call That A Mobile Suit?". The Core Fighters are referred to as "Mosquitoes" more than once, but this may simply be an insult. On the other side, the Zeon MS, especially the Zakus are often referred to as "Cyclops" by the Feddies due to their [[CyberCyclops distinctive optic sensors]], but this may just be a colloquialism, as the Zakus, at least had been known since before the start of the war. And up until episode 19 (near the halfway point of the anime and the 11th month of the One Year War) that Zeon ''had'' any operational mobile suits that weren't Zakus. [[LightningBruiser Doms]] are also refered to as "Skirts" at first due to their distinctive armor.

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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', the Zeon refer to the titular HumongousMecha and its carrier as "White Devil" and "Trojan Horse" respectively before learning their true names from Cozun Graham. Oddly, the Guncannon and Guntank apparently don't get reporting names and are simply refered referred to as "The Red One" and "You Call That A Mobile Suit?". The Core Fighters are referred to as "Mosquitoes" more than once, but this may simply be an insult. On the other side, the Zeon MS, especially the Zakus are often referred to as "Cyclops" by the Feddies due to their [[CyberCyclops distinctive optic sensors]], but this may just be a colloquialism, as the Zakus, at least had been known since before the start of the war. And up until episode 19 (near the halfway point of the anime and the 11th month of the One Year War) that Zeon ''had'' any operational mobile suits that weren't Zakus. [[LightningBruiser Doms]] are also refered to as "Skirts" at first due to their distinctive armor.
7th Sep '17 6:02:04 PM BattleMaster
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** One Clan, Diamond Shark, started using the names themselves when making successor designs for the old Omnimechs. So the heavier variant of the Timber Wolf is the Mad Cat II.

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** One Clan, Diamond Shark, started using the names themselves when making successor designs for the old Omnimechs. So the heavier variant of the Timber Wolf is the Mad Cat Mk II.
15th Jul '17 10:10:24 AM nombretomado
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A similar system was used for Japanese aircraft during WorldWarII. "Zeke" referred to the Mitsubishi [=A6M=] Reisen fighter more commonly known as the "Zero".[[note]]Unlike most Japanese aircraft, the [=A6M=] series had a Japanese military designation ("Type 0 Carrier Fighter", due to entering service in Imperial Year 2600 or 1940) that was known to the US military. As a result, it ended up with the well-known nickname of "Zero" (incidentally, it had the same nickname among Japanese pilots) and as a result its reporting name was rarely used.[[/note]] (Although when a new version, the [=A6M3=], was issued, the Allies, unaware that it was a new iteration of the Zero, gave it initially the reporting name "Hap." However, [[ExecutiveMeddling General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold wasn't too thrilled with the name]], and it was changed in ''extremely'' short order to "Hamp.") The naming scheme was a mostly simple one, with fighters being given male names (Zeke, Oscar, Rufe), bombers/recon planes given female names (Betty, Dinah), trainers being named after kinds of trees (Maple, Ash), and a rocket-powered kamikaze guided bomb being quite appropriately referred to as "Baka" [[note]]"Idiot" in Japanese language[[/note]]. In case anyone's wondering about the choice of names here, the officer who selected most of these codenames, Captain Frank T. [=McCoy=], was from the DeepSouth and chose the names he was most familiar with.

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A similar system was used for Japanese aircraft during WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. "Zeke" referred to the Mitsubishi [=A6M=] Reisen fighter more commonly known as the "Zero".[[note]]Unlike most Japanese aircraft, the [=A6M=] series had a Japanese military designation ("Type 0 Carrier Fighter", due to entering service in Imperial Year 2600 or 1940) that was known to the US military. As a result, it ended up with the well-known nickname of "Zero" (incidentally, it had the same nickname among Japanese pilots) and as a result its reporting name was rarely used.[[/note]] (Although when a new version, the [=A6M3=], was issued, the Allies, unaware that it was a new iteration of the Zero, gave it initially the reporting name "Hap." However, [[ExecutiveMeddling General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold wasn't too thrilled with the name]], and it was changed in ''extremely'' short order to "Hamp.") The naming scheme was a mostly simple one, with fighters being given male names (Zeke, Oscar, Rufe), bombers/recon planes given female names (Betty, Dinah), trainers being named after kinds of trees (Maple, Ash), and a rocket-powered kamikaze guided bomb being quite appropriately referred to as "Baka" [[note]]"Idiot" in Japanese language[[/note]]. In case anyone's wondering about the choice of names here, the officer who selected most of these codenames, Captain Frank T. [=McCoy=], was from the DeepSouth and chose the names he was most familiar with.
8th Jul '17 9:37:14 AM nombretomado
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** According to references in TheOtherWiki, the Russian pilots liked the NATO reporting name so much (they found the [=MiG=]-29 to be rather "pivotal") that they started using the Fulcrum name themselves. This was somewhat common for Soviet aircraft; they didn't have official names, just model numbers, so if the pilots hadn't already come up with their own nickname (see next entry), they'd likely adopt the NATO reporting name.

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** According to references in TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, the Russian pilots liked the NATO reporting name so much (they found the [=MiG=]-29 to be rather "pivotal") that they started using the Fulcrum name themselves. This was somewhat common for Soviet aircraft; they didn't have official names, just model numbers, so if the pilots hadn't already come up with their own nickname (see next entry), they'd likely adopt the NATO reporting name.
2nd May '17 10:24:13 PM SAMAS
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** One Clan, Diamond Shark, started using the names themselves when making successor designs for the old Omnimechs. So the heavier variant of the Timber Wolf is the Mad Cat II.
22nd Feb '17 6:42:49 PM LinTaylor
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** The M9E used by the good guys is named "Gernsback" for author Hugo Gernsback, as an in-universe LampshadeHanging on the fact that HumongousMecha are still regarded as "science fiction weapons" even by the people who operate them.

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*** Later in the novels, Sosuke ends up piloting an old-model Savage for a group of pit fighters. He paints it white and navy and dubs it the "Crossbow" because "It's not as good as an Arbalest", a reference that goes over the heads of his new friends.
** The M9E [=M9E=] used by the good guys is named "Gernsback" for author Hugo Gernsback, as an in-universe LampshadeHanging on the fact that HumongousMecha are still regarded as "science fiction weapons" even by the people who operate them.
19th Jan '17 4:49:40 AM Morgenthaler
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** Similarily, the various [[BugWar Tyranid]] creatures are only ever referred to by their Imperial reporting names due to the fact that the 'Nids don't have any kind of [[StarfishLanguage language that humans or other intelligent life are capable of comprehending]]. The imperial names, gathered from different encounters all over the galaxy, don't really have a common theme, except that many sound vaguely like dinosaur names, and some are Latin names for things from the Romans: Lictors were public bodyguards for Roman magistrates, Carnifexes were executioners for the lower classes, it also means Butcher as in the job description. On the other hand, the Tyranid ''Hive Fleets'' follow a clear ThemeNaming scheme that draws upon the names of monsters and {{eldritch abomination}}s from ancient long-dead mythologies and legends (from in-universe POV, which includes 20th/21st-century fiction), e.g. [[Literature/TheBible Behemoth]], {{Kraken|AndLeviathan}}, [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Hydra]], [[Myth/NorseMythology Jormungandr]], and [[CthulhuMythos Dagon]], with some being named after fearsome prehistoric animals, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon Magalodon]] [sic].

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** Similarily, the various [[BugWar Tyranid]] creatures are only ever referred to by their Imperial reporting names due to the fact that the 'Nids don't have any kind of [[StarfishLanguage language that humans or other intelligent life are capable of comprehending]]. The imperial names, gathered from different encounters all over the galaxy, don't really have a common theme, except that many sound vaguely like dinosaur names, and some are Latin names for things from the Romans: Lictors were public bodyguards for Roman magistrates, Carnifexes were executioners for the lower classes, it also means Butcher as in the job description. On the other hand, the Tyranid ''Hive Fleets'' follow a clear ThemeNaming scheme that draws upon the names of monsters and {{eldritch abomination}}s from ancient long-dead mythologies and legends (from in-universe POV, which includes 20th/21st-century fiction), e.g. [[Literature/TheBible Behemoth]], {{Kraken|AndLeviathan}}, [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Hydra]], [[Myth/NorseMythology Jormungandr]], and [[CthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Dagon]], with some being named after fearsome prehistoric animals, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon Magalodon]] [sic].
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