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26th Nov '17 5:45:28 PM nombretomado
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* [[IconOfRebellion Sun Yat-sen]], the first President of the [[UsefulNotes/ImperialChina post-imperial]] [[TheRepublic Republic of China]], was very reluctant to rule as President due to a [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre feeling of inadequacy]] and thus presented the title to [[SleazyPolitician Yuan Shikai]], a prominent figure in the Chinese military that had previously worked for the pre-revolutionary Qing Dynasty. Shortly after being appointed President, Shikai ruled China [[TheGeneralissimo as an autocratic despot]], relying heavily on 'local elites' (i.e. warlords) in the various provinces to maintain order and stability. After having created a short-lived [[TheEmperor Empire with himself as Emperor,]] Shikai died in 1916, [[RevolvingDoorRevolution culminating in a]] [[BalkanizeMe balkanization of China]] into various warlord states. Sun died in 1925, both his successors - the left-leaning Wang Jingwei of the Nationalist Party, and '[[DirtyCommies Red General]]' (later [[TheGeneralissimo Generalissimo]]) UsefulNotes/ChiangKaiShek of the National Revolutionary Army - lacking his reluctance to rule in favor of their burning senses of ambition.

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* [[IconOfRebellion Sun Yat-sen]], the first President of the [[UsefulNotes/ImperialChina [[ImperialChina post-imperial]] [[TheRepublic Republic of China]], was very reluctant to rule as President due to a [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre feeling of inadequacy]] and thus presented the title to [[SleazyPolitician Yuan Shikai]], a prominent figure in the Chinese military that had previously worked for the pre-revolutionary Qing Dynasty. Shortly after being appointed President, Shikai ruled China [[TheGeneralissimo as an autocratic despot]], relying heavily on 'local elites' (i.e. warlords) in the various provinces to maintain order and stability. After having created a short-lived [[TheEmperor Empire with himself as Emperor,]] Shikai died in 1916, [[RevolvingDoorRevolution culminating in a]] [[BalkanizeMe balkanization of China]] into various warlord states. Sun died in 1925, both his successors - the left-leaning Wang Jingwei of the Nationalist Party, and '[[DirtyCommies Red General]]' (later [[TheGeneralissimo Generalissimo]]) UsefulNotes/ChiangKaiShek of the National Revolutionary Army - lacking his reluctance to rule in favor of their burning senses of ambition.
28th Oct '17 12:36:00 PM OlmoJV
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* In ''FanFic/TheVow'', after [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2 Lord Shen's]] father dies, he passes the stewardship of Gongmen City to [[SwansASwimming Lady Lianne]], Shen's former fiancée. She's not quite willing to rule the city, feeling it to be a form of betrayal towards Shen and his family, but the citizens hold a great deal of respect for [[ShoutOut the swan]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSwanPrincess princess]] known for her beauty and kindness. She offers the city's stewardship for the Masters' Council, but they refuse it out of respect. It's arranged that Lianne governs and rules the city, while the Masters serve as protectors and advisers. For the next twenty years [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask Lianne keeps Gongmen City in the state of peace and prosperity while suffering for the past]]. She sleeps in her old guestroom instead of the rulers' bedchamber and never uses the high lord's throne, considering herself to be merely a temporary holder of the reins of power until the true ruler returns.

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* In ''FanFic/TheVow'', ''Fanfic/TheVow'', after [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2 Lord Shen's]] father dies, he passes the stewardship of Gongmen City to [[SwansASwimming Lady Lianne]], Shen's former fiancée. She's not quite willing to rule the city, feeling it to be a form of betrayal towards Shen and his family, but the citizens hold a great deal of respect for [[ShoutOut the swan]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSwanPrincess princess]] known for her beauty and kindness. She offers the city's stewardship for the Masters' Council, but they refuse it out of respect. It's arranged that Lianne governs and rules the city, while the Masters serve as protectors and advisers. For the next twenty years [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask Lianne keeps Gongmen City in the state of peace and prosperity while suffering for the past]]. She sleeps in her old guestroom instead of the rulers' bedchamber and never uses the high lord's throne, considering herself to be merely a temporary holder of the reins of power until the true ruler returns.
28th Oct '17 11:48:39 AM RedScharlach
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** Carrot is ''probably'' the heir to the throne of Anhk-Morpork[[note]]the books have never provided unequivocable proof, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong, and enough people ''think'' he is that whether it's actually true is neither here nor there.[[/note]] but refuses to claim the position of king. He would be a great king but feels that it would be for the wrong reasons -- he has a preternatural aura of command (people just do what he says; this is probably related to the probably-the-true-king thing), but thinks that "is good at being obeyed" is a terrible reason to be obeyed, and he wants people to do the right thing because it is right and not because a king ordered it. He'd probably accept the position if there was no other way to save the city, but it hasn't been necessary as yet.

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** Carrot is ''probably'' the heir to the throne of Anhk-Morpork[[note]]the books have never provided unequivocable unequivocal proof, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong, and enough people ''think'' he is that whether it's actually true is neither here nor there.[[/note]] but refuses to claim the position of king. He would be a great king but feels that it would be for the wrong reasons -- he has a preternatural aura of command (people just do what he says; this is probably related to the probably-the-true-king thing), but thinks that "is good at being obeyed" is a terrible reason to be obeyed, and he wants people to do the right thing because it is right and not because a king ordered it. He'd probably accept the position if there was no other way to save the city, but it hasn't been necessary as yet.



* King Roland from ''Literature/TheEyesOfTheDragon'' is a fairly decent king, but has little interest in the position, and would rather concentrate on his true passion, hunting, where he truly is in his element. Still, he takes on the responsibilities of kingship, because his people needs him. The same goes for both his sons technically, though only one of them is fit to rule. His eldest son Peter is kind, intelligent and takes after his mother, while his youngest son Thomas is slow, plain and unfortunatly inherited all his fathers bad traits. Neither really ''wants'' to be king, but both end up on the throne at different points, Thomas a puppet under the scheming court magician Flagg, and Peter after Flagg's treachery is exposed and Thomas abdicates to hunt him down.

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* King Roland from ''Literature/TheEyesOfTheDragon'' is a fairly decent king, but has little interest in the position, and would rather concentrate on his true passion, hunting, where he truly is in his element. Still, he takes on the responsibilities of kingship, because his people needs him. The same goes for both his sons technically, though only one of them is fit to rule. His eldest son Peter is kind, intelligent and takes after his mother, while his youngest son Thomas is slow, plain and unfortunatly unfortunately inherited all his fathers bad traits. Neither really ''wants'' to be king, but both end up on the throne at different points, Thomas a puppet under the scheming court magician Flagg, and Peter after Flagg's treachery is exposed and Thomas abdicates to hunt him down.
11th Oct '17 3:43:11 PM TheWildWestPyro
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* [[IconOfRebellion Sun Yat-sen]], the first President of the [[UsefulNotes/ImperialChina post-imperial]] [[TheRepublic Republic of China]], was very reluctant to rule as President due to a [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre feeling of inadequacy]] and thus presented the title to [[SleazyPolitician Yuan Shikai]], a prominent figure in the Chinese military that had previously worked for the pre-revolutionary Qing Dynasty. Shortly after being appointed President, Shikai ruled China [[TheGeneralissimo as an autocratic despot]], relying heavily on 'local elites' (i.e. warlords) in the various provinces to maintain order and stability. After having created a short-lived [[TheEmperor Empire with himself as Emperor,]] Shikai died in 1916, [[RevolvingDoorRevolution culminating in a]] [[BalkanizeMe balkanization of China]] into various warlord states. Sun died in 1925, both his successors - the left-leaning Wang Jingwei of the Nationalist Party, and '[[DirtyCommies Red General]]' (later [[TheGeneralissimo Generalissimo]]) UsefulNotes/ChiangKaiShek of the National Revolutionary Army - lacking his reluctance to rule in favour of both men's burning senses of ambition.

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* [[IconOfRebellion Sun Yat-sen]], the first President of the [[UsefulNotes/ImperialChina post-imperial]] [[TheRepublic Republic of China]], was very reluctant to rule as President due to a [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre feeling of inadequacy]] and thus presented the title to [[SleazyPolitician Yuan Shikai]], a prominent figure in the Chinese military that had previously worked for the pre-revolutionary Qing Dynasty. Shortly after being appointed President, Shikai ruled China [[TheGeneralissimo as an autocratic despot]], relying heavily on 'local elites' (i.e. warlords) in the various provinces to maintain order and stability. After having created a short-lived [[TheEmperor Empire with himself as Emperor,]] Shikai died in 1916, [[RevolvingDoorRevolution culminating in a]] [[BalkanizeMe balkanization of China]] into various warlord states. Sun died in 1925, both his successors - the left-leaning Wang Jingwei of the Nationalist Party, and '[[DirtyCommies Red General]]' (later [[TheGeneralissimo Generalissimo]]) UsefulNotes/ChiangKaiShek of the National Revolutionary Army - lacking his reluctance to rule in favour favor of both men's their burning senses of ambition.
11th Oct '17 3:42:41 PM TheWildWestPyro
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* [[IconofRebellion Sun Yat-sen]], the first President of the [[UsefulNotes/ImperialChina post-imperial]] [[TheRepublic Republic of China]], was very reluctant to rule as President due to a [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre feeling of inadequacy]] and thus presented the title to [[SleazyPolitician Yuan Shikai]], a prominent figure in the Chinese military that had previously worked for the pre-revolutionary Qing Dynasty. Shortly after being appointed President, Shikai ruled China [[TheGeneralissimo as an autocratic despot]], relying heavily on 'local elites' (i.e. warlords) in the various provinces to maintain order and stability. After having created a short-lived [[TheEmperor Empire with himself as Emperor,]] Shikai died in 1916, [[RevolvingDoorRevolution culminating in a]] [[BalkanizeMe balkanization of China]] into various warlord states. Sun died in 1925, both his successors - the left-leaning Wang Jingwei of the Nationalist Party, and '[[DirtyCommies Red General]]' UsefulNotes/ChiangKaiShek of the National Revolutionary Army - lacking his reluctance to rule in favour of burning senses of ambition.

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* [[IconofRebellion [[IconOfRebellion Sun Yat-sen]], the first President of the [[UsefulNotes/ImperialChina post-imperial]] [[TheRepublic Republic of China]], was very reluctant to rule as President due to a [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre feeling of inadequacy]] and thus presented the title to [[SleazyPolitician Yuan Shikai]], a prominent figure in the Chinese military that had previously worked for the pre-revolutionary Qing Dynasty. Shortly after being appointed President, Shikai ruled China [[TheGeneralissimo as an autocratic despot]], relying heavily on 'local elites' (i.e. warlords) in the various provinces to maintain order and stability. After having created a short-lived [[TheEmperor Empire with himself as Emperor,]] Shikai died in 1916, [[RevolvingDoorRevolution culminating in a]] [[BalkanizeMe balkanization of China]] into various warlord states. Sun died in 1925, both his successors - the left-leaning Wang Jingwei of the Nationalist Party, and '[[DirtyCommies Red General]]' (later [[TheGeneralissimo Generalissimo]]) UsefulNotes/ChiangKaiShek of the National Revolutionary Army - lacking his reluctance to rule in favour of both men's burning senses of ambition.
3rd Oct '17 12:46:14 PM BeerBaron
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* Subverted with Martin Septim in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'': [[spoiler:had he actually become TheEmperor, he would very likely be even better than his father, since he never wanted to become one in the first place. Additionally, his experience as a dark priest and later, a poor monk would certainly make him care for his subjects a lot.]] [[PlayerPunch Alas...]]

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** In the series' backstory, the corrupt Yokudan ([[{{Precursors}} ancestors]]) of the Redguards) Emperor, Hira, sought to consolidate power by wiping out the Ansei, a Yokudan [[TheOrder order]] of "Sword Singers/Saints" who were each a MasterSwordsman capable of [[SpontaneousWeaponCreation generating a "Shehai" spirit-sword]]. Facing elimination, the Ansei sought out the greatest of their order, the legendary Frandar Hunding. When his son, Divad, and the Ansei came to him, Frandar initially refused to lead them in battle against the Emperor. It was only after five hours of debate that he reluctantly agreed to become their leader, and it is said that, even though he was victorious, [[TheChainsOfCommanding he struggled with that decision and many others he made as leader later in life]].
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Subverted with [[HiddenBackupPrince Martin Septim Septim]] in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'': [[spoiler:had ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''. [[spoiler:Had he actually become TheEmperor, he would very likely be even better than [[TheGoodKing his father, father]], since he never wanted to become one in the first place. Additionally, his experience experiences as a dark priest [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedra]] worshiper and later, a poor monk monk, would certainly make him care for his subjects a lot.]] [[PlayerPunch Alas...]]Alas]], it [[HeroicSacrifice was not meant to be]].
25th Sep '17 10:37:04 AM Kurush
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* In '''[[LiveActionTV/WestWing]]''', Toby Ziegler in Season 6 firmly believes that it is due to this trope that Matt Santos, the Democratic nominee that Josh Lyman picked for the position of President, was a horrible choice. To become President, one must have a drive, the ambition to have the job and Toby didn't see Matt have it, as he had announced his resignation from Congress. [[spoiler:Matt ends up becoming the President and it's implied he was very good at it]].
24th Sep '17 6:29:09 AM RoninMacbeth
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** In general, this is {{Deconstructed}} by the series. Rulers who don't want to rule don't always have a sense of duty to compensate for lack of incentive to govern well, or even at all. For every Stannis Baratheon there are many more [[AdiposeRex Robert Baratheon]]s or [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Tytos Lannister]]s. Say what you will about [[TheEvilChancellor Tywin Lannister]], but he actually wanted power, and so he used it well.

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** In general, this is {{Deconstructed}} by the series. Rulers who don't want to rule don't always have a sense of duty to compensate for lack of incentive to govern well, or even at all. For every Stannis Baratheon there are many more [[AdiposeRex Robert Baratheon]]s or [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Tytos Lannister]]s. Say what you will about [[TheEvilChancellor [[EvilChancellor Tywin Lannister]], but he actually wanted power, and so he used it well.
24th Sep '17 6:27:54 AM RoninMacbeth
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** In general, this is {{Deconstructed}} by the series. Rulers who don't want to rule don't always have a sense of duty to compensate for lack of incentive to govern well, or even at all. For every Stannis Baratheon there are many more [[AdiposeRex Robert Baratheon]]s or [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Tytos Lannister]]s. Say what you will about [[TheEvilChancellor Tywin Lannister]], but he actually wanted power, and so he used it well.
14th Sep '17 9:26:19 PM PaulA
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* In Julian May's Galactic Milieu series, the job of Dirigent (ruler of a planet) is traditionally given to someone who doesn't want it.

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* In Julian May's Galactic Milieu ''Literature/GalacticMilieu'' series, the job of Dirigent (ruler of a planet) is traditionally given to someone who doesn't want it.
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