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28th May '16 8:07:47 PM nombretomado
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* ''VideoGame/LunarEternalBlue'' has this with Leo... but averts it in that Leo appears to be LevelGrinding at the same rate as the protagonist, and when they duel one on one, Leo only has about 288 HP... around the same as he did when they teamed up. But the PlayStation version undoes this by giving Leo about 750 HP for the duel.

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* ''VideoGame/LunarEternalBlue'' has this with Leo... but averts it in that Leo appears to be LevelGrinding at the same rate as the protagonist, and when they duel one on one, Leo only has about 288 HP... around the same as he did when they teamed up. But the PlayStation UsefulNotes/PlayStation version undoes this by giving Leo about 750 HP for the duel.
27th May '16 6:04:13 AM MrItty
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* In ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'', Wanda Maximoff (aka Scarlet Witch) is able to take down every member of the Avengers (except Hawkeye), by using her telepathic abilities to induce fear and visions of longing or forboding. Once she joins the team and is fighting alongside [[spoiler: Team Cap]] in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', she never once uses this power, neither against the villains nor the other half of the Avengers. She instead restrains herself to merely using telekinesis to throw whatever objects are laying around, and to contain an explosion.
24th May '16 8:20:39 PM nombretomado
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** In the PS3 remake the final team arena battle pits you against the party members you don't currently have with you. Not only do they have boss class hp and stats now, but they break the party size limit to attack you with ALL unused members making the match 4 against 5. The party seemingly puts more effort in friendly arena match than against the guys that want to destroy the world.

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** In the PS3 [=PS3=] remake the final team arena battle pits you against the party members you don't currently have with you. Not only do they have boss class hp and stats now, but they break the party size limit to attack you with ALL unused members making the match 4 against 5. The party seemingly puts more effort in friendly arena match than against the guys that want to destroy the world.
14th May '16 4:45:22 PM Jacob175
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* Aki, of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' suffers from this. When she first appears, she tended to utilize intelligent and tactical moves that allowed her to dominate most of her fights, took blows without flinching or breaking stride, and had enough psychic power to destroy city blocks. Even against [[InvincibleHero Yusei]], she manages to keep her matches almost frighteningly close. Then she gained control of her powers and turned good. Upon this, she spent most of her Duels struggling against opponents she would have decimated, screamed whenever she got hit or lost, and seemed all too content to sit on the sidelines. She also largely dropped the Token comboes, Field Spell use, and Burn tactics that had once defined her strategy, in favor of simply [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer using Black Rose Dragon as a beatstick.]] This [[DesignatedVictim wasn't helped]] by the decision to [[BroughtDownToNormal remove her powers outright]], nor by the general switch to a Duelling format which she (almost inexplicably) had no experience in.

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* Aki, Aki of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' suffers from this. When she first appears, she tended to utilize intelligent and tactical moves that allowed her to dominate most of her fights, took blows without flinching or breaking stride, and had enough psychic power to destroy city blocks. Even against [[InvincibleHero Yusei]], she manages to keep her matches almost frighteningly close. Then she gained control of her powers and turned good. Upon this, she spent most of her Duels struggling against opponents she would have decimated, screamed whenever she got hit or lost, and seemed all too content to sit on the sidelines. She also largely dropped the Token comboes, combos, Field Spell use, and Burn tactics that had once defined her strategy, in favor of simply [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer using Black Rose Dragon as a beatstick.]] This [[DesignatedVictim wasn't helped]] by the decision to [[BroughtDownToNormal remove her powers outright]], nor by the general switch to a Duelling format which she (almost inexplicably) had no experience in.


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* ''VideoGame/RakenzarnTales'' plays it pretty straight. Even in friendly fights, your party members will be packing five-digit HP they didn't have five seconds before. One of Alleyne's training fights at least attempts to handwave it by saying she used forest magic to help out Kanon and Nowa for their fight against Kyuu.
* ''VideoGame/{{Lunarosse}}'' zig-zags this trope a little. Elijah and Milo are actually stronger when they join up, but that's to keep them up to date as they join much later than their boss fight. Sonia and Abel play it straight, having noticeably less HP when they join. A justified example is [[spoiler:Noel, who only fights the party when possessed by his SuperpoweredEvilSide, who wouldn't hold back against the good guys.]]
30th Mar '16 6:11:38 AM Joylock
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Ultima VII Part II}}'', Selina the sorceress briefly joins with you early in the quest, is absolutely worthless at doing anything, and teleports out when the going gets tough. Later on, she turns up as an antagonist, and is surprisingly effective at that.

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Ultima VII Part II}}'', Selina the sorceress briefly joins with you early in the quest, is absolutely worthless at doing anything, and teleports out when the going gets tough. Later on, she turns up as an antagonist, and is surprisingly effective at that. You later find out that she was working against you from the very beginning, and was presumably half-assing it while she was in your party.
15th Jan '16 9:20:50 PM Kuruni
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* In ''Anime/{{Beyblade}}'', just about anyone who fought the Bladebreakers and reformed. The most egregious examples in this editor's mind are the Saint Shields, who provided a legitimate challenge for our heroes when they fought them, but were thrown aside by the BigBad, and Tala, who got demoted from BigBad in the first season to Kai's second banana in the third. Then he got seriously wounded when fighting the good fight.
11th Jan '16 1:28:15 PM StFan
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* Vision from ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'': As a villain he is able to take on multiple Avengers at once, easily trouncing them, phasing away from or getting too dense for every attack. As a hero- Frequently surprised and knocked down, despite clearly still demonstrating the abilities.

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* Vision from ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'': ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'': As a villain he is able to take on multiple Avengers at once, easily trouncing them, phasing away from or getting too dense for every attack. As a hero- Frequently hero... frequently surprised and knocked down, despite clearly still demonstrating the abilities.
29th Dec '15 3:13:55 PM Demetrios
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* Friction with new, untrusting allies as well as feelings of personal guilt and shame can leave TheHero's new buddy handicapped by insecurity.

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* [[ForgivenButNotForgotten Friction with new, untrusting allies allies]] as well as [[BeingEvilSucks feelings of personal guilt and shame shame]] can leave TheHero's new buddy handicapped by insecurity.
27th Dec '15 2:40:03 PM delta1
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* Inverted in ''[[Videogame/Starcraft1 Starcraft: Brood War]]'' in the Zerg mission where you betray and kill Duke and Fenix. Since you're playing as the bad guys here, this technically means you are the one being "un-redeemed" rather than your former friends. In any case, you fight somebody who was previously on your team, and Fenix in particular has much stronger stats than when you controlled him.

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* Inverted in ''[[Videogame/Starcraft1 ''[[Videogame/StarCraftI Starcraft: Brood War]]'' in the Zerg mission where you betray and kill Duke and Fenix. Since you're playing as the bad guys here, this technically means you are the one being "un-redeemed" rather than your former friends. In any case, you fight somebody someone who was previously on your team, team is now your enemy, and Fenix in particular has much stronger stats than when you controlled him.
27th Dec '15 2:35:13 PM delta1
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* Lampshaded in ''VideoGame/CthulhuSavesTheWorld'', where [[TalkingSword Sharp]]'s in-combat description is "Has a much higher max HP now than he will in a couple minutes." Also inverted, as he initially sees Cthulhu as the villain ([[EldritchAbomination With good reason]]).

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* Lampshaded in ''VideoGame/CthulhuSavesTheWorld'', where [[TalkingSword Sharp]]'s Sharpe]]'s in-combat description is "Has a much higher max HP now than he will in a couple minutes." Also inverted, as he initially sees Cthulhu as the villain ([[EldritchAbomination With good reason]]).


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* Inverted in ''[[Videogame/Starcraft1 Starcraft: Brood War]]'' in the Zerg mission where you betray and kill Duke and Fenix. Since you're playing as the bad guys here, this technically means you are the one being "un-redeemed" rather than your former friends. In any case, you fight somebody who was previously on your team, and Fenix in particular has much stronger stats than when you controlled him.
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