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25th Aug '16 7:36:48 AM StFan
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* While "redemption" is probably overstating the matter, Lady in the ''Literature/BlackCompany'' novels is a lot less powerful as a protagonist than she ever was as an EvilOverlord. Justified because her reign was ended by her being BroughtDownToNormal, meaning that she pretty much had to relearn all of her magical skills from scratch during the books where she was a main character. That said, once she regains a certain level of power she's ''still'' the most powerful individual protagonist, even if she's a lot less of a heavyweight than she was [[spoiler: though leeching power off Kina probably helped]].

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* While "redemption" is probably overstating the matter, Lady in the ''Literature/BlackCompany'' ''Literature/TheBlackCompany'' novels is a lot less powerful as a protagonist than she ever was as an EvilOverlord. Justified because her reign was ended by her being BroughtDownToNormal, meaning that she pretty much had to relearn all of her magical skills from scratch during the books where she was a main character. That said, once she regains a certain level of power she's ''still'' the most powerful individual protagonist, even if she's a lot less of a heavyweight than she was [[spoiler: though leeching power off Kina probably helped]].



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9th Aug '16 12:14:17 PM Ripburger
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* Inverted in the first two ''VideoGame/XCom'' games. Your mooks are inaccurate (even with training) and stupid... but when they get their brains sucked out and replaced with green alien goo they become much more capable, accurate and dangerous. "Durrr, I'm shooting at something I can't even see on the other side of a bookshelf, and ignoring the thing sneaking up on me." (wet slurping noises) "BoomHeadshot! BoomHeadshot! BoomHeadshot!"

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* Inverted in the first two ''VideoGame/XCom'' games.''[[{{VideoGame/XCOM}} X-COM]]'' games (''[[VideoGame/XCOMUFODefense UFO]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/XCOMTerrorFromTheDeep TFFD]]''). Your mooks are inaccurate (even with training) and stupid... but when they get their brains sucked out and replaced with green alien goo they become much more capable, accurate and dangerous. "Durrr, I'm shooting at something I can't even see on the other side of a bookshelf, and ignoring the thing sneaking up on me." (wet slurping noises) "BoomHeadshot! BoomHeadshot! BoomHeadshot!"
3rd Jul '16 9:54:57 AM Silverblade2
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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'':
** [[spoiler:Walhart]] has several skills on higher difficulties (Aegis and Prescience in Hard, those two, Rightful King and Pavise in Lunatic) that he inexplicably loses by Paralogue 19 where you can recruit him and only retains his base skill Conquest. He only can relearn Pavise if reclassed into a General but all others skill are lost.
** Downplayed with [[spoiler:Aversa]] in Lunatic Mode who loses the [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard ennemy only skill]] Hit Rate +10 and has weaker stats in Paralogue 22 when she joins you. On the other hand she has learned Relief and Rally Movement.
1st Jul '16 11:57:26 PM rufusluciusivan
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* ''VideoGame/{{Lunarosse}}'' zig-zags this trope a little. Elijah and Milo are actually stronger when they join up, but that's to keep them up to date as they join much later than their boss fight. Sonia and Abel play it straight, having noticeably less HP when they join. A justified example is [[spoiler:Noel, who only fights the party when possessed by his SuperpoweredEvilSide, who wouldn't hold back against the good guys.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Lunarosse}}'' zig-zags this trope a little. Elijah and Milo are actually stronger when they join up, but that's to keep them up to date as they join much later than their boss fight. Sonia and Sonia, the Tierkreis, Abel and Marina play it straight, having noticeably less HP when they join. A justified example is [[spoiler:Noel, who only fights the party when possessed by his SuperpoweredEvilSide, who wouldn't hold back against the good guys.]]
28th May '16 8:07:47 PM nombretomado
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* ''VideoGame/LunarEternalBlue'' has this with Leo... but averts it in that Leo appears to be LevelGrinding at the same rate as the protagonist, and when they duel one on one, Leo only has about 288 HP... around the same as he did when they teamed up. But the PlayStation version undoes this by giving Leo about 750 HP for the duel.

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* ''VideoGame/LunarEternalBlue'' has this with Leo... but averts it in that Leo appears to be LevelGrinding at the same rate as the protagonist, and when they duel one on one, Leo only has about 288 HP... around the same as he did when they teamed up. But the PlayStation UsefulNotes/PlayStation version undoes this by giving Leo about 750 HP for the duel.
27th May '16 6:04:13 AM MrItty
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* In ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'', Wanda Maximoff (aka Scarlet Witch) is able to take down every member of the Avengers (except Hawkeye), by using her telepathic abilities to induce fear and visions of longing or forboding. Once she joins the team and is fighting alongside [[spoiler: Team Cap]] in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', she never once uses this power, neither against the villains nor the other half of the Avengers. She instead restrains herself to merely using telekinesis to throw whatever objects are laying around, and to contain an explosion.
24th May '16 8:20:39 PM nombretomado
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** In the PS3 remake the final team arena battle pits you against the party members you don't currently have with you. Not only do they have boss class hp and stats now, but they break the party size limit to attack you with ALL unused members making the match 4 against 5. The party seemingly puts more effort in friendly arena match than against the guys that want to destroy the world.

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** In the PS3 [=PS3=] remake the final team arena battle pits you against the party members you don't currently have with you. Not only do they have boss class hp and stats now, but they break the party size limit to attack you with ALL unused members making the match 4 against 5. The party seemingly puts more effort in friendly arena match than against the guys that want to destroy the world.
14th May '16 4:45:22 PM Jacob175
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* Aki, of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' suffers from this. When she first appears, she tended to utilize intelligent and tactical moves that allowed her to dominate most of her fights, took blows without flinching or breaking stride, and had enough psychic power to destroy city blocks. Even against [[InvincibleHero Yusei]], she manages to keep her matches almost frighteningly close. Then she gained control of her powers and turned good. Upon this, she spent most of her Duels struggling against opponents she would have decimated, screamed whenever she got hit or lost, and seemed all too content to sit on the sidelines. She also largely dropped the Token comboes, Field Spell use, and Burn tactics that had once defined her strategy, in favor of simply [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer using Black Rose Dragon as a beatstick.]] This [[DesignatedVictim wasn't helped]] by the decision to [[BroughtDownToNormal remove her powers outright]], nor by the general switch to a Duelling format which she (almost inexplicably) had no experience in.

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* Aki, Aki of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' suffers from this. When she first appears, she tended to utilize intelligent and tactical moves that allowed her to dominate most of her fights, took blows without flinching or breaking stride, and had enough psychic power to destroy city blocks. Even against [[InvincibleHero Yusei]], she manages to keep her matches almost frighteningly close. Then she gained control of her powers and turned good. Upon this, she spent most of her Duels struggling against opponents she would have decimated, screamed whenever she got hit or lost, and seemed all too content to sit on the sidelines. She also largely dropped the Token comboes, combos, Field Spell use, and Burn tactics that had once defined her strategy, in favor of simply [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer using Black Rose Dragon as a beatstick.]] This [[DesignatedVictim wasn't helped]] by the decision to [[BroughtDownToNormal remove her powers outright]], nor by the general switch to a Duelling format which she (almost inexplicably) had no experience in.


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* ''VideoGame/RakenzarnTales'' plays it pretty straight. Even in friendly fights, your party members will be packing five-digit HP they didn't have five seconds before. One of Alleyne's training fights at least attempts to handwave it by saying she used forest magic to help out Kanon and Nowa for their fight against Kyuu.
* ''VideoGame/{{Lunarosse}}'' zig-zags this trope a little. Elijah and Milo are actually stronger when they join up, but that's to keep them up to date as they join much later than their boss fight. Sonia and Abel play it straight, having noticeably less HP when they join. A justified example is [[spoiler:Noel, who only fights the party when possessed by his SuperpoweredEvilSide, who wouldn't hold back against the good guys.]]
30th Mar '16 6:11:38 AM Joylock
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Ultima VII Part II}}'', Selina the sorceress briefly joins with you early in the quest, is absolutely worthless at doing anything, and teleports out when the going gets tough. Later on, she turns up as an antagonist, and is surprisingly effective at that.

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Ultima VII Part II}}'', Selina the sorceress briefly joins with you early in the quest, is absolutely worthless at doing anything, and teleports out when the going gets tough. Later on, she turns up as an antagonist, and is surprisingly effective at that. You later find out that she was working against you from the very beginning, and was presumably half-assing it while she was in your party.
15th Jan '16 9:20:50 PM Kuruni
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* In ''Anime/{{Beyblade}}'', just about anyone who fought the Bladebreakers and reformed. The most egregious examples in this editor's mind are the Saint Shields, who provided a legitimate challenge for our heroes when they fought them, but were thrown aside by the BigBad, and Tala, who got demoted from BigBad in the first season to Kai's second banana in the third. Then he got seriously wounded when fighting the good fight.
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