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12th Mar '17 7:27:38 AM NESBoy
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* Cyril Sneer in ''WesternAnimation/TheRaccoons''. In the first four TV specials is a ruthless maniac prone to cruelty and greed. In the series starts menacing but a little more moderate, more like TheScrooge to eventually evolve into what was basically and AntiHero and a regular ally of the raccoons when it matters. Like in the next to last episode "The One That Got Away!" in which he helps arresting a CorruptCorporateExecutive [[GreenAesop polluting a pond]].
-->'''Cedric''': [[IsntItIronic That's my dad, the environmental crusader]].

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* Cyril Sneer in ''WesternAnimation/TheRaccoons''. In the first four TV specials is a ruthless maniac prone to cruelty and greed. In the series starts menacing but a little more moderate, more like TheScrooge to eventually evolve into what was basically and an AntiHero and a regular ally of the raccoons when it matters. Like in the next to last episode "The One That Got Away!" in which he helps arresting a CorruptCorporateExecutive [[GreenAesop polluting a pond]].
-->'''Cedric''': [[IsntItIronic [[{{Irony}} That's my dad, the environmental crusader]].
24th Feb '17 8:52:59 PM Luppercus
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* Rataxes in ''WesternAnimation/{{Babar}}'': He was at first a ruthless warlord in the first movie taking elephants for slave labor. In the series Rataxes is presented as a jerk, but still a loving father, husband and even friend (acknowledging [[SycophanticServant Basil]] as his best friend), with a deep rivalry against elephants but still committed to peace and with some heroic moments once in a while.
6th Feb '17 10:06:58 PM Luppercus
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* Cyril Sneer in ''WesternAnimation/TheRaccoons''. In the first four TV specials is a ruthless maniac prone to cruelty and greed. In the series starts menacing but a little more moderate, more like TheScrooge to eventually evolve into what was basically and AntiHero and a regular ally of the raccoons when it matters.

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* Cyril Sneer in ''WesternAnimation/TheRaccoons''. In the first four TV specials is a ruthless maniac prone to cruelty and greed. In the series starts menacing but a little more moderate, more like TheScrooge to eventually evolve into what was basically and AntiHero and a regular ally of the raccoons when it matters. Like in the next to last episode "The One That Got Away!" in which he helps arresting a CorruptCorporateExecutive [[GreenAesop polluting a pond]].
-->'''Cedric''': [[IsntItIronic That's my dad, the environmental crusader]].
6th Feb '17 5:15:07 AM Luppercus
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* Cyril Sneer in ''WesternAnimation/TheRaccoons''. In the first four TV specials is a ruthless maniac prone to cruelty and greed. In the series starts menacing but a little more moderate, more like TheScrooge to eventually evolve into what was basically and AntiHero and a regular ally of the raccoons when it matters.
3rd Jan '17 7:22:01 AM SteveMB
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* In ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', any time Kim's {{sidekick}} [[ThisLoserIsYou Ron]] is turned evil (through AppliedPhlebotinum each time, and which, [[StatusQuoIsGod naturally]], always resets by the end of the episode), he turns out to be a frighteningly effective and ''evil'' MadScientist, to the point of ''intimidating Shego into backing down''.
-->'''Hego''': ''[seeing Ron turn evil]'' How bad can he be?
-->'''Shego''': ''[clearly terrified]'' You'd be... surprised.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', any time ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible''
** Both times
Kim's {{sidekick}} [[ThisLoserIsYou Ron]] is Ron was turned evil (through AppliedPhlebotinum each time, and which, [[StatusQuoIsGod naturally]], always resets by the end of the episode), AppliedPhlebotinum, he turns out to be became a frighteningly effective and ''evil'' evil MadScientist, to the point of ''intimidating Shego into backing down''.
down''. When he [[StatusQuoIsGod was returned to normal]] he reverted to [[ThisLoserIsYou his usual self]].
-->'''Hego''': ''[seeing Ron turn evil]'' How bad can he be?
-->'''Shego''':
be?\\
'''Shego''':
''[clearly terrified]'' You'd be... surprised.surprised.
** When Shego was [[MirrorMoralityMachine temporarily turned good]] in "Stop Team Go", she lost her edge and became a noticeably less effective fighter.
31st Dec '16 9:41:58 AM wllw
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* Magus in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' was an incredibly badass boss, but when he joins you, he has significantly less HP (going from 6666 to ''at most'' 999), and he has to relearn all but three of his spells. This could be explained by having his powers weakened by a Masamune beating and drained by [[BigBad Lavos]], while the discrepancy in the stats are explained by simple game mechanics and ratios: [[HealthDamageAsymmetry enemies and bosses have more HP, but the main characters do more damage]]. However, if you choose to fight him a second time, he uses all these awesome spells against you.

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* Magus in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' was an incredibly badass boss, but when he joins you, he has significantly less HP (going from 6666 to ''at most'' 999), and he has to relearn all but three of his spells. This could be is explained by having his powers weakened by a Masamune beating and drained by [[BigBad Lavos]], while since if you choose to fight him again he only uses the three spells he starts with if you recruit him. Meanwhile, the discrepancy in the stats are explained by simple game mechanics and ratios: [[HealthDamageAsymmetry enemies and bosses have more HP, but the main characters do more damage]]. However, if you choose to fight him a second time, he uses all these awesome spells against you.damage]].
9th Dec '16 8:15:01 PM BattleMaster
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* ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' has Fall-From-Grace, a succubus cleric who joins your party as TheMedic. She retains the elemental resistances of the tanar'ri, but she lacks the immunity to non-magical weapons and innate spellcasting ability that succubi normally have in 2nd edition D&D. No in-game explanation for why she lacks these abilities is ever given.
20th Nov '16 4:07:37 AM Morgenthaler
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** Double subverted with Siren. When she changes sides and becomes Cure Beat, she's quite {{Badass}} and crushes the MonsterOfTheWeek easily two or three times, even finishing them off herself! After a dozen or so episodes later, she's the one getting defeated by a single MonsterOfTheWeek and Cure Rhythm and Melody have to bail ''her'' out.
** Cure Muse is a neutral-to-good example, but otherwise she plays it awfully straight. She spends half the series being a MysteriousProtector and a {{Badass}}, but the very first battle she's in after joining the main girls, it ''begins'' with her getting punched off by the MonsterOfTheWeek. Then her Special Move is ineffective and is told she has to rely in others. She eventually kills the MonsterOfTheWeek on her ''second'' try, but not before making it clear this trope is in effect. At least Ellen ''was'' awesome for a while!

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** Double subverted with Siren. When she changes sides and becomes Cure Beat, she's quite {{Badass}} badass and crushes the MonsterOfTheWeek easily two or three times, even finishing them off herself! After a dozen or so episodes later, she's the one getting defeated by a single MonsterOfTheWeek and Cure Rhythm and Melody have to bail ''her'' out.
** Cure Muse is a neutral-to-good example, but otherwise she plays it awfully straight. She spends half the series being a MysteriousProtector and a {{Badass}}, badass, but the very first battle she's in after joining the main girls, it ''begins'' with her getting punched off by the MonsterOfTheWeek. Then her Special Move is ineffective and is told she has to rely in others. She eventually kills the MonsterOfTheWeek on her ''second'' try, but not before making it clear this trope is in effect. At least Ellen ''was'' awesome for a while!



* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'': Poor, poor, Char Aznable. As the infamous Red Comet of Zeon, he made many Federation soldiers wet their pants and was the only one to be able to go toe to toe with Amuro Ray. Once he took up the moniker of [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Quattro Bajina]], he was finding himself getting owned all over the place, culminating in Haman Karn nearly killing him. Come ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'', Char's back to being evil and being a {{Badass}}. Though this mostly has to do with his available equipment. As Quattro in Zeta he's neither the main character nor the rival, and they get the flashy toys. As Quattro the only unit they had to give him was the decent but not especially powerful Hyaku Shiki while the titular Zeta Gundam went to main character Kamille, where as in Zeon he had access to their powerful mobile armors and high speed mobile suits. When he goes back to Zeon he's the rival again and he gets the Sazabi with extreme firepower and remote weapons as a result.

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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'': Poor, poor, Char Aznable. As the infamous Red Comet of Zeon, he made many Federation soldiers wet their pants and was the only one to be able to go toe to toe with Amuro Ray. Once he took up the moniker of [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Quattro Bajina]], he was finding himself getting owned all over the place, culminating in Haman Karn nearly killing him. Come ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'', Char's back to being evil and being a {{Badass}}.badass. Though this mostly has to do with his available equipment. As Quattro in Zeta he's neither the main character nor the rival, and they get the flashy toys. As Quattro the only unit they had to give him was the decent but not especially powerful Hyaku Shiki while the titular Zeta Gundam went to main character Kamille, where as in Zeon he had access to their powerful mobile armors and high speed mobile suits. When he goes back to Zeon he's the rival again and he gets the Sazabi with extreme firepower and remote weapons as a result.



* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d by [[Wrestling/KevinNash Diesel]] after he got beat by Wrestling/BretHart for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE World Heavyweight Title]]. Diesel claimed that he lost his edge while trying to be Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's latest reimagining of Wrestling/HulkHogan, and that he was going back to being the {{Badass}} that effortlessly cleared rings during battle royals. He then became a [[WildCard Tweener]] that gradually transitioned into a full-blown {{Heel}}.

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* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d by [[Wrestling/KevinNash Diesel]] after he got beat by Wrestling/BretHart for the [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwe-h.html WWE World Heavyweight Title]]. Diesel claimed that he lost his edge while trying to be Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's latest reimagining of Wrestling/HulkHogan, and that he was going back to being the {{Badass}} badass that effortlessly cleared rings during battle royals. He then became a [[WildCard Tweener]] that gradually transitioned into a full-blown {{Heel}}.



* Magus in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' was an incredibly {{Badass}} boss, but when he joins you, he has significantly less HP (going from 6666 to ''at most'' 999), and he has to relearn all but three of his spells. This could be explained by having his powers weakened by a Masamune beating and drained by [[BigBad Lavos]], while the discrepancy in the stats are explained by simple game mechanics and ratios: [[HealthDamageAsymmetry enemies and bosses have more HP, but the main characters do more damage]]. However, if you choose to fight him a second time, he uses all these awesome spells against you.

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* Magus in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' was an incredibly {{Badass}} badass boss, but when he joins you, he has significantly less HP (going from 6666 to ''at most'' 999), and he has to relearn all but three of his spells. This could be explained by having his powers weakened by a Masamune beating and drained by [[BigBad Lavos]], while the discrepancy in the stats are explained by simple game mechanics and ratios: [[HealthDamageAsymmetry enemies and bosses have more HP, but the main characters do more damage]]. However, if you choose to fight him a second time, he uses all these awesome spells against you.



* Similarly, in fellow Capcom game ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 3'', the playable version of Vergil (accessible in the Special Edition) lacks moves that the boss version can do. However, playable Vergil does get some moves his boss incarnations don't, and the series also tends to make Dante, the hero, far more {{Badass}} than any evil counterpart.

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* Similarly, in fellow Capcom game ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 3'', the playable version of Vergil (accessible in the Special Edition) lacks moves that the boss version can do. However, playable Vergil does get some moves his boss incarnations don't, and the series also tends to make Dante, the hero, far more {{Badass}} badass than any evil counterpart.
3rd Nov '16 6:21:34 PM Gamermaster
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** Vivio in ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]''. In Strikers, she goes toe-to-toe with Nanoha an experienced solider wielding latest in technomagical hardware. When she gets her own series, she's struggling against juvenile civilians in martial arts tournaments. It's explained that Nanoha damaged her Linker Core when they fought but it comes across as a blatant nerf to stop Vivio from curbstomping everyone.

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** Vivio in ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]''. In Strikers, she goes toe-to-toe with Nanoha Nanoha, an experienced solider wielding latest in technomagical hardware. When she gets her own series, she's struggling against juvenile civilians in martial arts tournaments. It's explained that Nanoha damaged her Linker Core when they fought but it comes across as a blatant nerf to stop Vivio from curbstomping everyone.
26th Oct '16 1:30:02 AM Sammettik
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* Averted in WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic. Most, if not all the characters when they HeelFaceTurn keep the same power level and some [[Inverted get even MORE powered up]] [[RedemptionPromotion after their turn to good]]. Case in point, Discord and Starlight Glimmer. After their turn to good, they're still a RealityWarper and a powerful magician respectively. The only demotion anyone got was Babs Seed's [[ExactWords demotion]] [[DemotedToExtra to a mere background character with a very weak send off]].

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* Averted in WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic. ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. Most, if not all the characters when they HeelFaceTurn keep the same power level and some [[Inverted [[InvertedTrope get even MORE powered up]] [[RedemptionPromotion after their turn to good]]. Case in point, Discord and Starlight Glimmer. After their turn to good, they're still a RealityWarper and a powerful magician respectively. The only demotion anyone got was Babs Seed's [[ExactWords demotion]] [[DemotedToExtra to a mere background character with a very weak send off]].
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