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20th Sep '17 2:42:43 AM Silverblade2
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** Long-time adversary SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} is one of the most powerful mutants in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse... except when he switches sides. He's still impressive, but 'standard team member' strength rather than 'guy who has curb-stomped the lot of them ''repeatedly''' strength. Justified, up to a point, by the fact that [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity using his powers at high levels messes with Magneto's brain chemistry and makes him act crazy]]. In other words, when he's on the hero side (and therefore at his sanest) he needs to hold himself back to avoid going over the edge again.

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** Long-time adversary SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} is one of the most powerful mutants in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse... except when he switches sides. He's still impressive, but 'standard team member' strength rather than 'guy who has curb-stomped the lot of them ''repeatedly''' strength. Justified, up to a point, by the fact that [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity using his powers at high levels messes with Magneto's brain chemistry and makes him act crazy]]. In other words, when he's on the hero side (and therefore at his sanest) he needs to hold himself back to avoid going over the edge again.
19th Sep '17 11:26:15 AM Pr1A
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* ''[[VideoGame/FreeSpace Descent: Freespace]]'' does this with a ship: Dragon-class fighter is notorious of being absolutely nightmare to fight against due it's ridiculous speed, maneuverability and small size. In one mission, you get to fly a captured Dragon... except it's been gimped to the point of being rougly equivalent (or arguably ''worse'') to the Terran's own Apollo, a rather unimpressive JackOfAllStats fighter which has been made mostly obsolete by more specialized craft at this point of the game.
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* ''[[VideoGame/FreeSpace Descent: Freespace]]'' does this with a ship: Dragon-class fighter is notorious of being absolutely nightmare [[DemonicSpiders an absolute nightmare]] to fight against due it's ridiculous speed, maneuverability and small size. In one mission, you get to fly a captured Dragon... except it's been gimped to the point of being rougly equivalent (or arguably ''worse'') to the Terran's own Apollo, a rather unimpressive JackOfAllStats fighter which has been made mostly obsolete by more specialized craft at this point of the game.
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19th Sep '17 11:21:18 AM Pr1A
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* ''[[VideoGame/FreeSpace Descent: Freespace]]'' does this with a ship: Dragon-class fighter is notorious of being absolutely nightmare to fight against due it's ridiculous speed, maneuverability and small size. In one mission, you get to fly a captured Dragon... except it's been gimped to the point of being rougly equivalent (or arguably ''worse'') to the Terran's own Apollo, a rather unimpressive JackOfAllStats fighter which has been made mostly obsolete by more specialized craft at this point of the game.
14th Aug '17 5:26:24 PM armogohma
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An alternative, especially in series where the main characters are constantly getting stronger, is that the former villain only ''seems'' weaker, because the good guys have [[SoLastSeason caught up to him in strength]] and he along with his new allies are facing stronger opponents. So basically, VillanForgotToLevelGrind would be in play. This example shows up in alot of shonen anime.

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An alternative, especially in series where the main characters are constantly getting stronger, is that the former villain only ''seems'' weaker, because the good guys have [[SoLastSeason caught up to him in strength]] and he along with his new allies are facing stronger opponents. So basically, VillanForgotToLevelGrind VillainForgotToLevelGrind would be in play. This example shows up in alot of shonen anime.
10th Jul '17 3:58:27 PM DVB
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** Possibly justified since it was using these capabilities that kicked off the conflict in Age of Ultron in the first place. Hell, she's downright ''horrified'' when she realizes that the whole affair was indirectly her fault since it caused cracks on the team, and of course [[spoiler: leading Tony to create Ultron out of fear and paranoia.]] Using it on the heroes would not only be highly immoral, but it's likely it would not be approved by anyone, especially the Cap. As for villains, look back to Age Of Ultron. If doing her mind work on some heroes led to them making highly questionable choices out of good intent, what affect would it have on villanious individuals?
10th Jul '17 3:53:16 PM DVB
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An alternative, especially in series where the main characters are constantly getting stronger, is that the former villain only ''seems'' weaker, because the good guys have [[SoLastSeason caught up to him in strength]] and he along with his new allies are facing stronger opponents.

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An alternative, especially in series where the main characters are constantly getting stronger, is that the former villain only ''seems'' weaker, because the good guys have [[SoLastSeason caught up to him in strength]] and he along with his new allies are facing stronger opponents.
opponents. So basically, VillanForgotToLevelGrind would be in play. This example shows up in alot of shonen anime.



* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', nearly all of Goku's allies were at least [[TheRival rivals]] to him, and frequently outright villains, when first introduced, and were credible threats to him. But after DefeatMeansFriendship kicked in, they were quickly [[CantCatchUp left in the dust]] by Goku.

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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', nearly all of Goku's allies were at least [[TheRival rivals]] to him, and frequently outright villains, when first introduced, and were credible threats to him. But after DefeatMeansFriendship kicked in, they were quickly [[CantCatchUp left in the dust]] by Goku. Though this is more because they weren't able to keep up to the stronger villains being faced ahead.


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** Ironically inverted in the Tournament arc for the Chrome Dome empire. His former [[TheDragon right-hand Katsu]] reappeared in the tournament. Despite having a very capable technique, Jelly Jiggler defeated him in a ''single move.''
1st Jul '17 9:50:29 AM littlebeeper
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** Downplayed with [[spoiler:Aversa]] in Lunatic Mode who loses the [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard ennemy only skill]] Hit Rate +10 and has weaker stats in Paralogue 22 when she joins you. On the other hand she has learned Relief and Rally Movement.

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** Downplayed with [[spoiler:Aversa]] in Lunatic Mode who loses the [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard ennemy enemy only skill]] Hit Rate +10 and has weaker stats in Paralogue 22 when she joins you. On the other hand she has learned Relief and Rally Movement.
21st Jun '17 2:46:49 PM Linneus
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Compare GoodIsBoring and GoodIsImpotent. See also the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil. Frequently accompanied by BadassDecay and/or VillainDecay. RedemptionPromotion is the opposite of this trope.

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Compare GoodIsBoring and GoodIsImpotent. See also the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil. Frequently accompanied by BadassDecay and/or VillainDecay.VillainDecay and in video games, you'll likely see a few SecretAIMoves. RedemptionPromotion is the opposite of this trope.


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* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'':
** Justifying this trope makes up the opening to the game. Alucard, having chosen to renounce Dracula's ways prior to the start of the game, storms the castle with a few extremely powerful weapons, obliterating every single one of the first enemies in a single hit. The moment he meets Death and it's revealed what's going on, Death steals all of the weapons and in the next room, the character who was mowing through giant beasts in a single sword swipe is now resorting to ''punching a slow, weak zombie to death'' just for a short sword.
** Inverted with Richter, whose powers as a vampire hunter would seem to prove very useful against Alucard when he's under the control of Shaft, but Richter is not particularly powerful or difficult as the DiscOneFinalBoss. When unlocked as a playable character, however, he becomes a DifficultButAwesome LightningBruiser who has an array of extremely powerful moves that can be chained together at speeds much greater than he ever pulls off during the boss fight.
1st Jun '17 1:56:57 PM CountDorku
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* Omnitron-X in ''TabletopGame/SentinelsOfTheMultiverse'' is theoretically more advanced than the various Omnitrons you face in play, but has less power because it needs to coexist with other heroes in the co-operative game: its components break more easily, its removal effects do less damage and destroy less, its plating is more limited and only lowers, rather than eliminates, damage, and it can't create drones. A JustifiedTrope, though: Omnitron is a factory. Cosmic Omnitron is the size of a large vehicle. Omnitron-X is basically a mechanical human. There isn't ''space'' for drone factories or enormous railguns, so it has to make do with what it can fit on a humanoid form.
30th May '17 2:24:43 PM Prometheus117
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': When Juvia and Gajeel join the Fairy Tail Guild post Tower of Heaven arc, they go from being S-Class Phantom Lord mages to be regular Fairy Tail mages. It's worth noting that S-Class is a rank decided by individual guild masters and not a calculation of power (although if you make S-Class you tend to be pretty dang strong), but going by [[TournamentArc Grand Magic Game]] standards Fairy Tail S class wizards are significantly more powerful than those of other guilds.

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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': When Juvia and Gajeel join the Fairy Tail Guild post Tower of Heaven arc, they go from being S-Class Phantom Lord mages to be regular Fairy Tail mages. It's worth noting that S-Class is a rank decided by individual guild masters and not a calculation of power (although if you make S-Class you tend to be pretty dang strong), strong, and Juvia herself was considered a candidate for the Fairy Tail S-Class Exam while Gajeel, while certainly strong enough to qualify, was still under suspicion for his actions against the guild during the Fairy-Phantom war), but going by [[TournamentArc Grand Magic Game]] standards Fairy Tail S class S-class wizards are significantly more powerful than those of other guilds.guilds.
** Panther Lily went from being [[BadassNormal strong enough to fight Gajeel in a one-on-one despite lacking any real offensive Magic aside from flight and his BFS]] as a villain during the Edolas arc to being far less effective in combat after it. This is {{justified}} however in that he lost the ability to maintain his [[OneWingedAngel Battle form]] constantly like in Edolas and can only maintain for a limited time before he returns to his [[SleepModeSize true tiny form]]. On the occasions he can cut loose before he runs out of time, he's still just as dangerous. His {{BFS}} was destroyed during said arc as well and it took him awhile to find [[MorphWeapon a new one that could change size with him]].
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