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26th Apr '16 2:11:34 AM konekootome
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* In ''FanFic/MyMirrorSwordAndShield'' Suzaku returns Lelouch's feelings, but as his [[TimeTravel future adoptive father]] points out Suzaku is in no position to refuse. As Emperor, Lelouch could execute him if he felt like it and [[SleepingWithTheBoss is Suzaku's boss.]] And Suzaku [[MealTicket depends on Lelouch's patronage for protection]] and shelter while his time machine is fixed.
25th Apr '16 5:12:49 PM MsChibi
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It can also be a discussion about whether or not a certain character is able to consent to a certain thing in the first place. The character might be [[{{Lolicon}} too young]] or [[NaiveEverygirl inexperienced]], [[DrugsAreBad drugged down]], intellectually challenged, [[ButLiquorIsQuicker extremely drunk]], suffering from StockholmSyndrome or similar. It might also have to do with [[UnequalRelationship the nature of the relationship]]: [[SleepingWithTheBoss a boss and an employee]], [[DoctorsOrders a health care worker and a patient]], [[ParentalIncest a parent and child (even if said child is fully grown)]], [[HotForStudent a teacher and student]], [[SexyPriest a clergyperson and a member of his/her congregation]], or something along those lines.

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It can also be a discussion about whether or not a certain character is able to consent to a certain thing in the first place. The character might be [[{{Lolicon}} too young]] or [[NaiveEverygirl inexperienced]], [[DrugsAreBad drugged down]], intellectually challenged, [[ButLiquorIsQuicker extremely drunk]], suffering from StockholmSyndrome or similar. It might also have to do with [[UnequalRelationship [[UnequalPairing the nature of the relationship]]: [[SleepingWithTheBoss a boss and an employee]], [[DoctorsOrders a health care worker and a patient]], [[ParentalIncest a parent and child (even if said child is fully grown)]], [[HotForStudent a teacher and student]], [[SexyPriest a clergyperson and a member of his/her congregation]], or something along those lines.
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25th Apr '16 5:11:51 PM MsChibi
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It can also be a discussion about whether or not a certain character is able to consent to a certain thing in the first place. The character might be too young or inexperienced, drugged down, suffering from StockholmSyndrome or similar.

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It can also be a discussion about whether or not a certain character is able to consent to a certain thing in the first place. The character might be [[{{Lolicon}} too young young]] or inexperienced, [[NaiveEverygirl inexperienced]], [[DrugsAreBad drugged down, down]], intellectually challenged, [[ButLiquorIsQuicker extremely drunk]], suffering from StockholmSyndrome or similar.
similar. It might also have to do with [[UnequalRelationship the nature of the relationship]]: [[SleepingWithTheBoss a boss and an employee]], [[DoctorsOrders a health care worker and a patient]], [[ParentalIncest a parent and child (even if said child is fully grown)]], [[HotForStudent a teacher and student]], [[SexyPriest a clergyperson and a member of his/her congregation]], or something along those lines.
21st Apr '16 5:53:16 PM Eievie
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* Type A: Sure, there was consent... but how free was it, really?
* Type B, popularly known as Dub Con (dubious consent): The plot would have you think consent was granted -- but was it, really?

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* Type A: '''Type A:''' Sure, there was consent... consent… but how free was it, really?
* Type B, '''Type B''', popularly known as Dub Con '''Dub Con''' (dubious consent): The plot would have you think consent was granted -- but granted--but was it, really?



** And in TheMovie, [[spoiler:Akio has a FreakOut when he realizes that Anthy — who'd he'd thought was unconscious — was awake for at least part of while he was raping her after [[SlippingAMickey slipping her drugs in her drink]]. Anthy tries to calm him down and tell him that she's okay with it, but he stabs her in the chest before [[DrivenToSuicide throwing himself out the window]].]]

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** And in TheMovie, [[spoiler:Akio has a FreakOut when he realizes that Anthy — who'd Anthy--who'd he'd thought was unconscious — was unconscious--was awake for at least part of while he was raping her after [[SlippingAMickey slipping her drugs in her drink]]. Anthy tries to calm him down and tell him that she's okay with it, but he stabs her in the chest before [[DrivenToSuicide throwing himself out the window]].]]



* Not even sexual but let's just say that the God(dess) of Stories incarnation of Loki is very bad at this whole consent thing, for [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard example]] it's one thing assuming that your best friend trusts you and would be okay with you trying to save her. But if she's also willing to tell you their life story... she sure as Hel would like to have a warning before you use that story to turn her into magical jewellery to accomplish that goal.

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* Not even sexual but let's just say that the God(dess) of Stories incarnation of Loki is very bad at this whole consent thing, for [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard example]] it's one thing assuming that your best friend trusts you and would be okay with you trying to save her. But if she's also willing to tell you their life story... story… she sure as Hel would like to have a warning before you use that story to turn her into magical jewellery to accomplish that goal.



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* In ''Fanfic/ADifferentMedius'',[[spoiler: Azurai's marriage to Iratu]] is definitely an example, the former making a sarcastic remark, and the latter thinking [[spoiler: it's a proposal]]. [[spoiler: Iratu also jokingly "threatens" to eat Azurai if he doesn't go through with it. Azurai can't tell whether it's a joke, and doesn't care to find out.]]
* In ''Fanfic/AnAnthemForShelteredBays'' the fifteen-year old [[OurMermaidsAreDifferent Eren]] enters a romantic and sexual relationship with Levi but Eren depends on Levi for virtually everything since he can't get back home, forced to become human and Levi would not allow him to leave anyways. To Levi's credit, he actually does realize this and is repentant for it.
* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10487650/2/Advanced-Theory-Dualism Advanced Theory]]'', Sora makes a fake confession to Riku to get back at him for being a jerk to Sora's friends. Which backfires [[GoneHorriblyRight because Riku accepts the confession and admits to having feelings for Sora.]] In Riku's excitement he pressures Sora to have sex with him because Sora was afraid of hurting Riku's feelings with the truth. While Sora never [[DateRape calls it rape]], he admits to feeling tainted by the experience. To Riku's credit, he picks up on this and makes sure to check for Sora's consent.

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* In ''Fanfic/ADifferentMedius'',[[spoiler: Azurai's ''Fanfic/ADifferentMedius'',[[spoiler:Azurai's marriage to Iratu]] is definitely an example, the former making a sarcastic remark, and the latter thinking [[spoiler: it's [[spoiler:it's a proposal]]. [[spoiler: Iratu [[spoiler:Iratu also jokingly "threatens" to eat Azurai if he doesn't go through with it. Azurai can't tell whether it's a joke, and doesn't care to find out.]]
* In ''Fanfic/AnAnthemForShelteredBays'' the fifteen-year 15-year old [[OurMermaidsAreDifferent Eren]] enters a romantic and sexual relationship with Levi but Eren depends on Levi for virtually everything since he can't get back home, forced to become human and Levi would not allow him to leave anyways. To Levi's credit, he actually does realize this and is repentant for it.
* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10487650/2/Advanced-Theory-Dualism Advanced Theory]]'', Sora makes a fake confession to Riku to get back at him for being a jerk to Sora's friends. Which backfires [[GoneHorriblyRight because Riku accepts the confession and admits to having feelings for Sora.]] Sora]]. In Riku's excitement he pressures Sora to have sex with him because Sora was afraid of hurting Riku's feelings with the truth. While Sora never [[DateRape calls it rape]], he admits to feeling tainted by the experience. To Riku's credit, he picks up on this and makes sure to check for Sora's consent.



* ''Film/UnderTheSkin'': The man who takes the alien in after he finds her on the bus has sex with her, and he thinks she is a traumatized / mentally challenged human woman, which would make it debatable whether she could give informed consent. While she seems fine with this, it also doesn't look like she knows what sex even ''is'' exactly, pushing him off her after he apparently ejaculates to examine herself. Thus it seems doubtful that she actually knew what was going on. So from either of their perspectives it's problematic.
* ''Film/IndecentProposal''. A billionaire offers a couple one million dollars for one night with the wife, who has already turned down his advances earlier in the film. At this point, the couple is broke, having blown all their money on a venture to Las Vegas to try and ''make'' money (which they initially did before foolishly deciding to return to the casino and make even more, rather than quitting while they were ahead). After much discussion, they decide to go ahead with it. The billionaire takes the wife to his yacht, but sensing her discomfort with the arrangement, offers to flip a coin and release her from the deal if she wins. However, he wins, and. . .cue SexyDiscretionShot. It's obvious that at no time does she want to sleep with this guy but does so only out of desperation and some twisted sense of obligation. And even worse, later in the film, it turns out that the coin in question was rigged, meaning that the billionaire would have won no matter what, and making his actions look really sleazy in hindsight.

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* ''Film/UnderTheSkin'': The man who takes the alien in after he finds her on the bus has sex with her, and he thinks she is a traumatized / mentally traumatized/mentally challenged human woman, which would make it debatable whether she could give informed consent. While she seems fine with this, it also doesn't look like she knows what sex even ''is'' exactly, pushing him off her after he apparently ejaculates to examine herself. Thus it seems doubtful that she actually knew what was going on. So from either of their perspectives it's problematic.
* ''Film/IndecentProposal''. A billionaire offers a couple one million dollars for one night with the wife, who has already turned down his advances earlier in the film. At this point, the couple is broke, having blown all their money on a venture to Las Vegas to try and ''make'' money (which they initially did before foolishly deciding to return to the casino and make even more, rather than quitting while they were ahead). After much discussion, they decide to go ahead with it. The billionaire takes the wife to his yacht, but sensing her discomfort with the arrangement, offers to flip a coin and release her from the deal if she wins. However, he wins, and. . .and… cue SexyDiscretionShot. It's obvious that at no time does she want to sleep with this guy but does so only out of desperation and some twisted sense of obligation. And even worse, later in the film, it turns out that the coin in question was rigged, meaning that the billionaire would have won no matter what, and making his actions look really sleazy in hindsight.



* In ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'', which is in many ways a RomanceNovel with [[StereotypeFlip gender roles reversed]], not-yet-sixteen-year-old Jerin Whistler is seduced by Princess Ren, who [[EatingTheEyeCandy feels him up]] despite his inarticulate protests and stated desire to [[VirginTension remain pure]]. She takes his arousal as more important than what he's saying; he even wonders how much force he can use to get away from a princess without getting in trouble, but soon rationalizes that this might be his only chance to be intimate with someone who's not a Brindle and participates happily. He says no and she backs off while he's still a TechnicalVirgin. When his sister learns about this she is initially '''furious''' with Ren for raping her brother but cools a little as he tries to explain.

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* In ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'', which is in many ways a RomanceNovel with [[StereotypeFlip gender roles reversed]], not-yet-sixteen-year-old not-yet-16-year-old Jerin Whistler is seduced by Princess Ren, who [[EatingTheEyeCandy feels him up]] despite his inarticulate protests and stated desire to [[VirginTension remain pure]]. She takes his arousal as more important than what he's saying; he even wonders how much force he can use to get away from a princess without getting in trouble, but soon rationalizes that this might be his only chance to be intimate with someone who's not a Brindle and participates happily. He says no and she backs off while he's still a TechnicalVirgin. When his sister learns about this she is initially '''furious''' with Ren for raping her brother but cools a little as he tries to explain.



** Daenerys is part of an arranged marriage with barbarian warlord Khal Drogo. On their wedding night, Drogo seeks her consent and she does verbally give it, but it's still problematic for a few reasons. She's far younger than any modern age of consent. It's not clear that he would have accepted a "no" had she given one. And even if he would have, her brother and (abusive) guardian since infancy, Viserys, makes it very clear that she would face terrible consequences for failing to please Drogo. After their wedding night, Drogo, who hails from a culture in which MaritalRapeLicense is the standard, does not bother even going through the motions of seeking consent.
** In the {{Backstory}} [[spoiler:Lysa Tully's relationship with Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish]] has elements of this, as both times she slept with him, he was either [[DudeShesLikeInAComa passed out drunk or drugged, near-death, and hallucinating because of a nasty, feverish wound]], and at least once believed that he was actually with [[spoiler:Lysa's sister, Catelyn]]. It's unclear how aware she was of just how out-of-it he was on these occasions, but it's clear it left him pretty traumatized.
** While [[spoiler:Jon Snow]] was ''attracted'' to [[spoiler:Ygritte]], he intended to stay true to his VowOfCelibacy. She blackmails him into having sex with her -- defending him against those who suspect him (correctly) of being a FakeDefector by claiming he's her lover, and then when he tries to thank her, telling him that she [[MetaphoricallyTrue wasn't lying: she'd only left out the fact that it hasn't started yet]]. Left with no choice other than to be exposed, [[spoiler:Jon]] has sex with her, and becomes pretty enthusiastic over time, but this doesn't negate or justify the blackmail, and it comes off a little like NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.

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** Daenerys is part of an arranged marriage ArrangedMarriage with barbarian warlord Khal Drogo. On their wedding night, Drogo seeks her consent and she does verbally give it, but it's still problematic for a few reasons. She's far younger than any modern age of consent.13, and he's his 20s. It's not clear that he would have accepted a "no" had she given one. And even if he ''he'' would have, her brother and (abusive) guardian since infancy, Viserys, makes it very clear that she Daenerys would face terrible consequences for failing to please Drogo. After their wedding night, Drogo, who Drogo--who hails from a culture in which MaritalRapeLicense is the standard, does standard--does not bother even going through the motions of seeking consent.
consent, and does rape her several times.
** In the {{Backstory}} {{Backstory}}, [[spoiler:Lysa Tully's relationship with bedding of Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish]] has elements of this, as both times she slept with him, he was either [[DudeShesLikeInAComa passed out drunk or drugged, near-death, and hallucinating because of a nasty, feverish wound]], and at least once [[BedTrick believed that he was actually with [[spoiler:Lysa's Lysa's sister, Catelyn]]. It's unclear how aware she Lysa was of just how out-of-it he was on these occasions, but it's clear it left him pretty traumatized.
** While [[spoiler:Jon Snow]] Snow was ''attracted'' ''[[ButIWouldReallyEnjoyIt attracted]]'' to [[spoiler:Ygritte]], Ygritte, he intended to stay true to his VowOfCelibacy. She blackmails {{blackmail}}s him into having sex with her -- defending her--defending him against those who suspect him (correctly) of being a FakeDefector by claiming he's her lover, and lover. She then when he tries to thank her, telling him that she [[MetaphoricallyTrue wasn't lying: she'd only left out the fact that tells Jon it's MetaphoricallyTrue: She just lied by saying it hasn't started yet]]. had ''already'' happened. Left with no choice other than to be exposed, [[spoiler:Jon]] Jon has sex with her, and her. He becomes pretty enthusiastic over time, but this doesn't negate or justify the blackmail, and it comes off a little like NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.]]



* In ''Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey'', Ana is told that being Christian's sub is up to her, and that she can negotiate the terms of their contract if she wishes. When she sends him an e-mail, joking that she wants their deal to be off (before she even signed the contract), Grey goes to her apartment, ties her to the bed, and has sex with her until she changes her mind. Whenever she tries to renegotiate anything of the contract, he tries to talk her out of it.

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* In ''Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey'', ''Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey'': Ana is told that being Christian's sub is up to her, and that she can negotiate the terms of their contract if she wishes. When she sends him an e-mail, joking that she wants their deal to be off (before she even signed the contract), Grey goes to her apartment, ties her to the bed, and has sex with her until she changes her mind. Whenever she tries to renegotiate anything of the contract, he tries to talk her out of it.



* In ''[[Literature/TheElminsterSeries Elminster: The Making of a Mage]]'', while he's a thief, Elminster and his partner Farl hide a prostitute ([[DudeShesLikeInAComa unconscious at the time]]) in the bedroom of a [[{{Crossdresser}} cross-dressing]] baker from the wrath of her clients (whom they just robbed), stroking both of them so they'll have sex after waking up - just for laughs apparently. The pair end up {{happily married}}, yes, but {{what the hell hero}}?

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* In ''[[Literature/TheElminsterSeries Elminster: The Making of a Mage]]'', while he's a thief, Elminster and his partner Farl hide a prostitute ([[DudeShesLikeInAComa unconscious at the time]]) in the bedroom of a [[{{Crossdresser}} cross-dressing]] baker from the wrath of her clients (whom they just robbed), stroking both of them so they'll have sex after waking up - just up--just for laughs apparently. The pair end up {{happily married}}, yes, but {{what the hell hero}}?



* In ''Literature/TheOdyssey'', Odysseus' extramarital relations with Circe and Calypso have shades of this. He became Circe's bed-mate because that was one of the conditions she demanded in exchange for helping him get back home. He became Calypso's partner because he was stranded on her island, and saying no to a deity is usually a pretty bad idea. In his heart he was always devoted to his wife Penelope.

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* In ''Literature/TheOdyssey'', ''Literature/TheOdyssey'': Odysseus' extramarital relations with Circe and Calypso have shades of this. He became Circe's bed-mate because that was one of the conditions she demanded in exchange for helping him get back home. He became Calypso's partner because he was stranded on her island, and saying no to a deity is usually a pretty bad idea. In his heart he was always devoted to his wife Penelope.



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* The Actives of the ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'' all technically volunteered to allow their bodies to be imprinted with artificially designed personalities to be rented out for five years, with signed contracts to prove it. However, the volunteers range from an otherwise mentally sound veteran looking for a cure for his PTSD in exchange for work at the Dollhouse, to convicts promised a shortened prison sentence or newly accused criminals facing jail, to a paranoid schizophrenic [[spoiler:who was actually being drugged by a jealous stalker to induce her mental illness]]. The circumstances meant that the people had little choice but to consent and that some of them might not be considered mentally fit to consent at all, making the voluntary nature of the Actives dubious. Even more than that, the very concept of giving a consent to ''literally everything for five years in advance with no possibility of retraction'' seems highly questionable in itself, looking suspiciously like indentured slavery.

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* The Actives of the ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'' ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'' all technically volunteered to allow their bodies to be imprinted with artificially designed personalities to be rented out for five years, with signed contracts to prove it. However, the volunteers range from an otherwise mentally sound veteran looking for a cure for his PTSD in exchange for work at the Dollhouse, to convicts promised a shortened prison sentence or newly accused criminals facing jail, to a paranoid schizophrenic [[spoiler:who was actually being drugged by a jealous stalker to induce her mental illness]]. The circumstances meant that the people had little choice but to consent and that some of them might not be considered mentally fit to consent at all, making the voluntary nature of the Actives dubious. Even more than that, the very concept of giving a consent to ''literally everything for five years in advance with no possibility of retraction'' seems highly questionable in itself, looking suspiciously like indentured slavery.



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* In VideoGame/MassEffect2, on Illium, 'Indentured Servitude' (which Shepard calls slavery) is an accepted form of employment, particularly for those who accrue large debts. A mini-quest involves a young quarian who is forced to sell herself into indentured servitude/slavery as the only way to escape her debts. Synthetic Insights refuses to hire her with that contract because they view it as immoral, [[GreyAndGrayMorality but her contract holder seems to genuinely care for her]] and wants the quarian to land on her feet.

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* In VideoGame/MassEffect2, on Illium, 'Indentured Servitude' "Indentured Servitude" (which Shepard calls slavery) is an accepted form of employment, particularly for those who accrue large debts. A mini-quest involves a young quarian who is forced to sell herself into indentured servitude/slavery as the only way to escape her debts. Synthetic Insights refuses to hire her with that contract because they view it as immoral, [[GreyAndGrayMorality but her contract holder seems to genuinely care for her]] and wants the quarian to land on her feet.



** Morrigan's [[DeusSexMachina ritual]] falls into a very, very grey (no pun intended) area. Nobody involved in it is thrilled about being there--even a male Warden romancing Morrigan can express his doubts, and vice versa--and the premise, "You/Alistair/Loghain will die unless you/Alistair/Loghain sleep(s) with me", makes consent... well, questionable. Morrigan isn't the one responsible for the dying part--she's offering an out, in fact--and she simply leaves if the ritual is refused, but the whole situation is definitely uncomfortable. DummiedOut content that can be restored with mods on PC has it play out quite differently in the context of a romance, more like a traditional PreClimaxClimax.

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** Morrigan's [[DeusSexMachina ritual]] falls into a very, very grey (no pun intended) area. Nobody involved in it is thrilled about being there--even a male Warden romancing Morrigan can express his doubts, and vice versa--and the premise, "You/Alistair/Loghain will die unless you/Alistair/Loghain sleep(s) with me", makes consent... consent… well, questionable. Morrigan isn't the one responsible for the dying part--she's offering an out, in fact--and she simply leaves if the ritual is refused, but the whole situation is definitely uncomfortable. DummiedOut content that can be restored with mods on PC has it play out quite differently in the context of a romance, more like a traditional PreClimaxClimax.



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* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' had "[[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030101 one rule]]" Dr. Beetle agreed on as a vassal of Baron Wulfenbach, very reasonable, but very no-nonsense overlord of the whole Europe.
--> '''Dr. Beetle''': A pledge made under duress is ''worthless'', Wulfenbach! [...] ''You'' were in control then.
--> '''Klaus''': And ''now''? ''(background has several of his [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots clanks]] pointing at Beetle [[{{BFG}} machineguns about the size of Beetle himself]])''
--> '''Dr. Beetle''': ''(reveals his hand)'' Now ''I'' am in control!

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* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' had "[[http://www."
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girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030101 one rule]]" "one rule"]] Dr. Beetle agreed on as a vassal of Baron Wulfenbach, very reasonable, but very no-nonsense overlord of the whole Europe.
--> '''Dr.-->'''Dr. Beetle''': A pledge made under duress is ''worthless'', Wulfenbach! [...] ''You'' were in control then.
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'''Klaus''': And ''now''? ''(background has several of his [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots clanks]] pointing at Beetle [[{{BFG}} machineguns about the size of Beetle himself]])''
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'''Dr. Beetle''': ''(reveals his hand)'' Now ''I'' am in control!



* In {{Transformers}} fanfic ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8845297/1/Are-You-There-Primus-It-s-Me-Starscream Are You There Primus? It's Me Starscream,]]'' he needs to persuade an OC to stop hating him and design weapons for the Decepticon cause. So he induces some good old StockholmSyndrome. The consent is hideously dubious seeing as she's being held captive on the Nemesis, and it's practically LaserGuidedKarma that he goes on to fall prey to LimaSyndrome.

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* In {{Transformers}} fanfic ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8845297/1/Are-You-There-Primus-It-s-Me-Starscream Are You There Primus? It's Me Starscream,]]'' Starscream]]'', he needs to persuade an OC to stop hating him and design weapons for the Decepticon cause. So he induces some good old StockholmSyndrome. The consent is hideously dubious seeing as she's being held captive on the Nemesis, and it's practically LaserGuidedKarma that he goes on to fall prey to LimaSyndrome.



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* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'': In the first season, a [[HotGuysAreBastards devilishly handsome]] [[TallDarkAndHandsome Turkish ambassador]] and house guest sneaks into Mary's room in the middle of the night and pressures her into having sex against her protests. When she threatens to scream or ring the bell, he gently reminds her that she wouldn't since the mere presence of a man in her room (innocent or not, bidden or not) would destroy her reputation and marital prospects. While she does eventually give in, and later claims that he was her lover, one must wonder how consensual it was since she was clearly unwilling but felt she couldn't call for help without [[DefiledForever serious social repercussions]].

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* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'': In the first season, a [[HotGuysAreBastards devilishly handsome]] [[TallDarkAndHandsome Turkish ambassador]] and house guest sneaks into Mary's room in the middle of the night and pressures her into having sex against her protests. When she threatens to scream or ring the bell, he gently reminds her that she wouldn't since the mere presence of a man in her room (innocent or not, bidden or not) would destroy her reputation and marital prospects. While she does eventually give in, and later claims that he was her lover, one must wonder how consensual it was since she was clearly unwilling but felt she couldn't call for help without [[DefiledForever serious social repercussions]].there really isn't much consent in the original scene.
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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10487650/2/Advanced-Theory-Dualism Advanced Theory]]'', Riku and Sora have a sexual encounter after Sora makes a false love confession to Riku. Sora only went along with it despite not wanting it because he was afraid of hurting Riku's feelings with the truth. Sora even tells Riku that he didn't listen to him when Sora asked him to stop, but he's letting it slide for now and asks for Riku not to do it again. To Riku's credit, he does listen and learns to check for Sora's consent.

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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10487650/2/Advanced-Theory-Dualism Advanced Theory]]'', Riku and Sora have a sexual encounter after Sora makes a false love fake confession to Riku. Sora only went along with it despite not wanting it Riku to get back at him for being a jerk to Sora's friends. Which backfires [[GoneHorriblyRight because Riku accepts the confession and admits to having feelings for Sora.]] In Riku's excitement he pressures Sora to have sex with him because Sora was afraid of hurting Riku's feelings with the truth. While Sora even tells Riku that never [[DateRape calls it rape]], he didn't listen admits to him when Sora asked him to stop, but he's letting it slide for now and asks for Riku not to do it again. feeling tainted by the experience. To Riku's credit, he does listen picks up on this and learns makes sure to check for Sora's consent.
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* ''ComicBook/AfterlifeWithArchie'' has Cheryl and Jason being involved in {{twincest}} with each other. It's at first implied it's consensual (though Jason is a JealousClingyGuy with {{yandere}} tendencies) however later issues imply it wasn't 100% on Cheryl's side.

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* ''ComicBook/AfterlifeWithArchie'' has Cheryl and Jason being involved in {{twincest}} with each other. It's at first implied it's consensual (though Jason is a JealousClingyGuy CrazyJealousGuy with {{yandere}} tendencies) however later issues imply it wasn't 100% on Cheryl's side.
9th Apr '16 4:03:08 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''Manga/OyasumiPunpun'' uses this for FanDisservice. Punpun's and [[spoiler:Aiko's]] sexual scenes are uncomfortable for multiple reasons, including them both being deeply troubled individuals with {{Dark And Troubled Past}}s. Punpun is obsessed with [[spoiler:Aiko]] and their romance is depicted as unhealthy.
* ''Manga/BokuraNoHentai'' has this occur between [[spoiler:Marika]] and Tamura. [[spoiler:Marika]] has a crush on Tamura. He has emotional trauma due to [[spoiler:being sexually abused when he was younger]] and has a somewhat hypersexual nature as a result, and his only [[spoiler:consensual]] sexual experiences have been unpleasant. One scene has Tamura coming onto [[spoiler:Marika]] in a predatory manner and he touches [[spoiler:her]]. They're both barely teenagers, if that, and [[spoiler:Marika]] had limited sexual knowledge at the time. It's left vague how consensual it was but it causes a rift in their friendship for a while [[spoiler:and sparks an awakening in Marika's sexuality]]. A later chapter has the two attempting to have sex but nothing occurs when [[spoiler:Marika]] becomes frightened and stops it.



* WordOfGod confirms that the reason Terra of ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' was shown in a sexual relationship with the villain Slade Wilson, aka ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}, was to shock readers and emphasize how ''evil'' she was by showing that she was [[SlutShaming a slut]]. This falls flat when one remembers that Terra is 16 at the time while Slade is significantly older, and Terra honestly seems to think he loves her, meaning that rather than showing how evil she is it instead comes off as her being a young, confused girl who's being played by a[[note]]Possible, depending on the state.[[/note]] statutory rapist who wants to murder her teammates.
** The [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans cartoon]] version of this storyline, aside from being significantly sanitized for younger audiences, actually addresses this trope by showing their version of Terra as a confused, lonely girl who clearly is manipulated into evil actions, and just how freely she's committing those acts is actually discussed and used as a point of drama.

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* WordOfGod confirms that the reason Terra of ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' was shown in a sexual relationship with the villain Slade Wilson, aka ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}, was to shock readers and emphasize how ''evil'' she was by showing that she was [[SlutShaming a slut]]. This falls flat when one remembers that Terra is 16 at the time while Slade is significantly older, and Terra honestly seems to think he loves her, meaning that rather than showing how evil she is it instead comes off as her being a young, confused girl who's being played by a[[note]]Possible, depending on the state.[[/note]] statutory rapist who wants to murder her teammates.
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teammates. The [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans cartoon]] version of this storyline, aside from being significantly sanitized for younger audiences, actually addresses this trope by showing their version of Terra as a confused, lonely girl who clearly is manipulated into evil actions, and just how freely she's committing those acts is actually discussed and used as a point of drama.



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* At one point in LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya, Mikuru's future self gives Kyon permission to kiss her unconscious younger self. Even he wonders if that is ethical.

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* At one point in LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya, ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'', Mikuru's future self gives Kyon permission to kiss her unconscious younger self. Even he wonders if that is ethical.



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* ''ComicBook/AfterlifeWithArchie'' has Cheryl and Jason being involved in {{twincest}} with each other. It's at first implied it's consensual (though Jason is a JealousClingyGuy with {{yandere}} tendencies) however later issues imply it wasn't 100% on Cheryl's side.
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* Comes up in ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'', in Hanako Ikezawa's route: After Hanako and Hisao have [[TheirFirstTime very awkward first-time sex]], he notices that she never ''explicitly'' consented. Between that and her [[ShrinkingViolet very meek personality]], he ''deeply'' worries that this trope is in effect, and believes that he actually raped her. However, it's a subversion, since it's entirely consensual and even premeditated on her part, as she explains later.
* This trope is discussed in ''{{Webcomic/Megatokyo}}'' where Kimiko, the voice actress for a character in an ''eroge'' light novel, brings up that the situation in the novel she's voicing comes off as being emotionally manipulative and taking advantage of a girl who's not in a right state of mind. Her concerns are pretty much dismissed as being part of the industry and what the audience wants from the game.

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Comes up in ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'', in Hanako Ikezawa's route: After Hanako and Hisao have [[TheirFirstTime very awkward first-time sex]], he notices that she never ''explicitly'' consented. Between that and her [[ShrinkingViolet very meek personality]], he ''deeply'' worries that this trope is in effect, and believes that he actually raped her. However, it's a subversion, since it's entirely consensual and even premeditated on her part, as she explains later.
* This trope is discussed in ''{{Webcomic/Megatokyo}}'' where Kimiko, the voice actress for a character in an ''eroge'' light novel, brings up that the situation in the novel she's voicing comes off as being emotionally manipulative and taking advantage of a girl who's not in a right state of mind. Her concerns are pretty much dismissed as being part ** The [[WhatCouldHaveBeen beta version]] was even worse. One of the industry sex scenes involved Hisao having sex with Hanako while she was drugged on medication. It instantly [[DeathBySex leads to a]] BadEnding where Hanako gets upset and what the audience wants from the game.Hisao accidentally trips backwards, breaking his neck.


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* This trope is discussed in ''Webcomic/{{Megatokyo}}'' where Kimiko, the voice actress for a character in an ''eroge'' light novel, brings up that the situation in the novel she's voicing comes off as being emotionally manipulative and taking advantage of a girl who's not in a right state of mind. Her concerns are pretty much dismissed as being part of the industry and what the audience wants from the game.
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* In ''VideoGame/PhoenixWright: Trials and Tribulations'', Iris dated [[spoiler:Phoenix]] while [[BedTrick masquerading as]] her twin sister, [[spoiler:Dahlia]]. In this case, consent is questionable because 1) he'd only met [[spoiler:Dahlia]] once before the masquerade began, 2) [[spoiler:Dahlia]] actively manipulated Iris into doing it, and 3) he'd never even met Iris before, much less known that [[spoiler:Dahlia]] had a twin. Once the truth is revealed, he has no problem with considering Iris to be, for all intents and purposes, the girl he was dating.
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** In the {{Backstory}} [[spoiler:Lysa Tully's relationship with Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish]] has elements of this, as both times she slept with him, he was either [[DudeShesLikeInAComa passed out drunk or drugged, near-death, and hallucinating because of a nasty, feverish wound]], and at least once believed that he was actually with [[spoiler:Lysa's sister, Catelyn]]. It's unclear how aware she was of just how out-of-it Petyr was on these occasions, but it's clear it left him pretty traumatized.

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** In the {{Backstory}} [[spoiler:Lysa Tully's relationship with Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish]] has elements of this, as both times she slept with him, he was either [[DudeShesLikeInAComa passed out drunk or drugged, near-death, and hallucinating because of a nasty, feverish wound]], and at least once believed that he was actually with [[spoiler:Lysa's sister, Catelyn]]. It's unclear how aware she was of just how out-of-it Petyr he was on these occasions, but it's clear it left him pretty traumatized.
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