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24th Sep '17 2:28:37 PM Eddy1215
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** The Oracle gives Belkar a prophecy that Belkar will cause the death of at least one of the people on his hit list, which includes the Oracle. Belkar ends up giving a magical item to one such person, causing that person to use it to bite off more than they could chew and get killed, as well as annoying another enough to make a FaceHeelTurn resulting in death, and getting another sent back to [[FluffyCloudHeaven the Celestial planes]] as a result of a series of events where Belkar's involvement is a bit questionable. When Belkar and the Oracle meet again, he tries to pass this off as fulfillment; Belkar stabs him. "Worth a shot." [[spoiler: Of course the Oracle had [[CrazyPrepared already set up]] his revenge]]

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** The Oracle gives Belkar a prophecy that Belkar will cause the death of at least one of the people on his hit list, which includes the Oracle. Belkar ends up giving a magical item to one such person, causing that person to use it to bite off more than they could chew and get killed, as well as annoying another enough to make a FaceHeelTurn resulting in death, and getting another sent back to [[FluffyCloudHeaven the Celestial planes]] as a result of a series of events where Belkar's involvement is a bit questionable. When Belkar and the Oracle meet again, he tries to pass this off as fulfillment; Belkar stabs him. "Worth a shot." [[spoiler: Of [[spoiler:Of course the Oracle had [[CrazyPrepared already set up]] his revenge]]revenge and resurrection]].



9th Sep '17 8:51:27 AM timotaka
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* In ''VideoGame/UltimaVI'', a gargoyle prophecy states that the only way to prevent of the destruction of their people is by "sacrifice of the False Prophet". Most gargoyles believe this means they must sacrifice the False Prophet (and boy, do they try!), but in the end the situation is resolved by the False Prophet sacrificing something else entirely. One of the more philosophical gargoyles even points out that the prophecy might mean one of three things: the False Prophet is sacrificed, the False Prophet performs a sacrifice on another person, or the False Prophet sacrifices a valuable possession.

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* In ''VideoGame/UltimaVI'', a gargoyle prophecy states that the only way to prevent of the destruction of their people is by "sacrifice of the False Prophet". Most gargoyles believe this means they must sacrifice the False Prophet (and boy, do they try!), but in the end the situation is resolved by the False Prophet sacrificing something else entirely. One of the more philosophical gargoyles even points out that the wording of the prophecy might mean one of three things: the False Prophet is sacrificed, the False Prophet performs a sacrifice on another person, or the False Prophet sacrifices a valuable possession.
9th Sep '17 5:21:02 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** According to the Predictomancer Marie, a lot less is Fated than people think. As far as Fate is concerned, the vast majority of people and events simply don't matter and so the details are flexible. When Fate does care, her Predictions suddenly go from vague or twisty to being precise down to the second.
3rd Sep '17 11:33:11 AM LordInsane
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** For most of her life, Cersei Lannister has been haunted by a prophecy that she will become queen, only for a figure called "The ''Valonquar"'' to bring about her downfall (''"valonquar"'' being a High Valyrian word meaning "little brother"). As a result, she's suspicious of her younger brother [[TheUnfavorite Tyrion]] (a dwarf) for ''years'', seizing every possible opportunity to subject him to emotional abuse. And when [[spoiler: her son Prince Joffrey is assassinated]], she quickly jumps to the conclusion that Tyrion did it, and tries to have him executed. But her [[SelfFulfillingProphecy increasingly paranoid behavior]] gradually causes her twin brother Jaime (who is also [[{{Twincest}} her lover]]) to drift away from her, culminating in him [[spoiler: rebelling against her to free Tyrion]] and later [[spoiler: declining to come to her aid when she is imprisoned for adultery]]. Too late, Cersei remembers that Jaime was born a few minutes after she was, and is thus technically her "little brother" too. [[OhCrap Whoops.]]
** ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons'' twists the ''valonquar'' prophecy even further. After all of Cersei's paranoia over which one of her brothers will bring about her downfall, it's hinted that the prophecy may not even have referred to ''her'' "little brother". As it turns out, [[spoiler: Rhaegar Targaryen's son Prince Aegon (his second child) is [[NotQuiteDead still alive]]]], and [[spoiler: being groomed to retake the Iron Throne from Cersei]]. Note that [[spoiler: the Targaryens trace their lineage from Valyria]], so [[spoiler: the prophecy being in High Valyrian]] may have been a hint that [[spoiler: the ''valonquar'' was a Targaryen all along]].

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** For most of her life, Cersei Lannister has been haunted by a prophecy that she will become queen, only for a figure called "The ''Valonquar"'' ''Valonqar"'' to bring about her downfall (''"valonquar"'' (''"valonqar"'' being a High Valyrian word meaning "little brother"). As a result, she's suspicious of her younger brother [[TheUnfavorite Tyrion]] (a dwarf) for ''years'', seizing every possible opportunity to subject him to emotional abuse. And when [[spoiler: her son Prince Joffrey is assassinated]], she quickly jumps to the conclusion that Tyrion did it, and tries to have him executed. But her [[SelfFulfillingProphecy increasingly paranoid behavior]] gradually causes her twin brother Jaime (who is also [[{{Twincest}} her lover]]) to drift away from her, culminating in him [[spoiler: rebelling against her to free Tyrion]] and later [[spoiler: declining to come to her aid when she is imprisoned for adultery]]. Too late, Cersei remembers that Jaime was born a few minutes after she was, and is thus technically her "little brother" too. [[OhCrap Whoops.]]
** ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons'' twists the ''valonquar'' ''valonqar'' prophecy even further. After all of Cersei's paranoia over which one of her brothers will bring about her downfall, it's hinted that the prophecy may not even have referred to ''her'' "little brother". As it turns out, [[spoiler: Rhaegar Targaryen's son Prince Aegon (his second child) is [[NotQuiteDead still alive]]]], and [[spoiler: being groomed to retake the Iron Throne from Cersei]]. Note that [[spoiler: the Targaryens trace their lineage from Valyria]], so [[spoiler: the prophecy being in High Valyrian]] may have been a hint that [[spoiler: the ''valonquar'' was a Targaryen all along]]. To make it even more ambiguous, a discussion about another prophecy originally written in High Valyrian indicates the possibility that ''valonqar'' might be a ''gender-neutral'' word...
21st Aug '17 1:23:21 PM OlmoJV
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'' fanfic ''FanFic/TheVow'', the Soothsayer foretells that the marriage between Lord Shen and Lady Lianne will happen "beneath tears of snow". When it's attempted to be held in midwinter when real snow falls in Gongmen City, a snowfall never happens and the ceremony is interrupted with Shen's canon act of [[spoiler:mass murder]] being exposed. [[spoiler:When Shen and Lianne are finally married after so much pain 30 years later, he cries for the first time since his childhood and sheds tears that look snowy with their cloudiness and milky white coloring.]]

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'' fanfic ''FanFic/TheVow'', the Soothsayer foretells that the marriage between Lord Shen and Lady Lianne will happen "beneath tears of snow". When it's attempted to be held in midwinter when real snow falls in Gongmen City, a snowfall never happens and the ceremony is interrupted with Shen's canon act of [[spoiler:mass murder]] being exposed. [[spoiler:When Shen and Lianne are finally married after so much pain 30 thirty years later, he cries for the first time since his childhood and sheds tears that look snowy with their cloudiness and milky white coloring.]]
16th Aug '17 5:47:10 PM Amahn
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** The prequels are based on one of these, as Anakin Skywalker is prophesied to bring balance to the Force, which the Jedi believe is destroying the Sith and bringing peace to the galaxy. However, even that does not preclude him from falling to the Dark Side, slaughtering his fellow Jedi, and enslaving the galaxy ''first''. And if [[Film/TheForceAwakens Kylo Ren]] is anything to go by, the Prophecy doesn't mention that it ''stays'' balanced.\\\

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** The prequels are based on one of these, as Anakin Skywalker is prophesied to bring balance to the Force, which the Jedi believe is destroying the Sith and bringing peace to the galaxy. However, even that does not preclude him from falling to the Dark Side, slaughtering his fellow Jedi, and enslaving the galaxy ''first''. And if [[Film/TheForceAwakens Kylo Ren]] is anything to go by, the Prophecy doesn't mention that it ''stays'' balanced.\\\balanced.
*** The real problem lies in the Jedi's interpretation of "balance". For some reason they assume that "balance" means "eliminate the dark side", when to any normal person balance would indicate "equal on both sides". Which is exactly what Anakin did. Under the Jedi's rule they had forced the light side and nearly banished the dark, leaving it in the hands of only a few renegades. Anakin fixed this imbalance by reducing the Jedi to an equally small number forced to live in hiding.
10th Aug '17 2:41:26 PM DocJamore
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An alternate interpretation is that Anakin did, in betraying the Jedi, bring balance to the Force. Which sounds more balanced, hundreds of Jedi and two Sith, or two Jedi and Two Sith? Also, ultimately he destroys both the Jedi ''and'' the Sith, essentially pressing the reset button on the Jedi and Sith orders' millennia-long conflict and leaving both to be rebuilt from scratch.
30th Jul '17 12:18:21 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Happens all the time in ''Literature/TheUnderlandChronicles''. Then it is subverted in ''Gregor and the Code of Claw'', when Ripred points out that the prophecies could be loosely interpreted to cover a variety of situations, and that people are often adapting what happens in reality to fit the prophecy so that it is fulfilled (their society is strongly based around the prophecies their founder wrote). He then gets ''really'' GenreSavvy by deliberately giving himself a wound that will fulfill yet another prophecy.

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* Happens all the time in ''Literature/TheUnderlandChronicles''. Then it is subverted in ''Gregor and the Code of Claw'', when Ripred points out that the prophecies could be loosely interpreted to cover a variety of situations, and that people are often adapting what happens in reality to fit the prophecy so that it is fulfilled (their society is strongly based around the prophecies their founder wrote). He then gets ''really'' GenreSavvy by deliberately giving gives himself a wound that will fulfill yet another prophecy.



* Plot of the first few episodes of Season 3 of ''Series/TheVampireDiaries''. Klaus thinks he killed Elena as a necessary step to break his hybrid curse, which among other things should let him convert werewolves into hybrids like himself. It isn't working. The audience (and Stefan) know Elena survived, and think that's why Klaus's hybrids are dying. This is [[spoiler:confirmed by The Original Witch; turns out she was lying and Elena's blood was the key to successful hybrid transformation. Fortunately (sort of), Klaus [[GenreSavvy realizes the witch was lying and experiments before]] simply killing Elena again.]]

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* Plot of the first few episodes of Season 3 of ''Series/TheVampireDiaries''. Klaus thinks he killed Elena as a necessary step to break his hybrid curse, which among other things should let him convert werewolves into hybrids like himself. It isn't working. The audience (and Stefan) know Elena survived, and think that's why Klaus's hybrids are dying. This is [[spoiler:confirmed by The Original Witch; turns out she was lying and Elena's blood was the key to successful hybrid transformation. Fortunately (sort of), Klaus [[GenreSavvy realizes the witch was lying and experiments before]] before simply killing Elena again.]]
27th Jul '17 9:41:26 AM jean555
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* A somewhat meta example is pulled on the reader in FistOfTheMoon, as [[TimeTravel Chibi-Usa]] sees [[SailorMoon Usagi fawning over Mamoru.]]

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* A somewhat meta example is pulled on the reader in FistOfTheMoon, FanFic/FistOfTheMoon, as [[TimeTravel Chibi-Usa]] sees [[SailorMoon Usagi fawning over Mamoru.]]
24th Jul '17 10:58:56 AM KizunaTallis
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones''. Part of the arc for Stannis Baratheon is his and Mellisandre's belief that he is the "Prince That Was Promised", someone who is the world's MessiahArchetype sent by the [[GodOfGood Lord of Light]] to restore order to the world and become a king. However, [[spoiler: Stannis is betrayed by his army and killed after [[MoralEventHorizon sacrificing his daughter]] for a miracle. So far, the closest candidate is Jon Snow because his mother Lyanna made her brother, Ned Stark, promise to take care of him.]]

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones''. ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
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Part of the arc for Stannis Baratheon is his and Mellisandre's Melisandre's belief that he is the "Prince That Was Promised", someone who is the world's MessiahArchetype MessianicArchetype sent by the [[GodOfGood Lord of Light]] to restore order to the world and become a king. However, [[spoiler: Stannis is betrayed by his army and killed after [[MoralEventHorizon sacrificing his daughter]] for a miracle. miracle]]. After this, Melisandre goes to search for whoever else the prophecy may have referred to. So far, the closest candidate is Jon candidates include [[spoiler:Jon Snow because due to how his mother Lyanna made her brother, Ned Stark, promise to take care of him.]]him, and possibly Daenerys Targaryen due to how the original language of the prophecy used a gender neutral term of "ruler"]].
** Cersei was told by an oracle when she was young that she would marry a king, have three children [[OutlivingOnesOffspring she would outlive]], and rule as queen before another queen, younger and more beautiful, would come and depose her. Cersei believed that Margaery was the younger queen that would depose her and [[spoiler:gets her out of the way by killing her. However, all this does is push her last surviving child Tommen to [[DrivenToSuicide commit suicide]], she's crowned queen and Daenarys is on the way to Westeros to take back the Iron Throne]].



* [[https://garfield.com/comic/1983/02/05 This strip]]: {{Garfield}} read this from a fortune cookie fortune: "Today you will be whisked away to a large white building where all you have to do is lie in bed all day as lots of people pay attention to you and bring you food". As Garfield said it sounded "too good to be true", he failed to notice he was about to fall from the table.

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* [[https://garfield.com/comic/1983/02/05 This strip]]: {{Garfield}} ComicStrip/{{Garfield}} read this from a fortune cookie fortune: "Today you will be whisked away to a large white building where all you have to do is lie in bed all day as lots of people pay attention to you and bring you food". As Garfield said it sounded "too good to be true", he failed to notice he was about to fall from the table.
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