History Main / PrivatelyOwnedSociety

27th Jul '17 10:33:29 PM Fireblood
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* This was the cornerstone of the feudal system. The king was the one who actually owned the land, the lords were tenants, and the serfs subtenants, both of the latter allowed to use the land in exchange for payment (usually in the form of crops grown on the land, or services provided for the lord, and the lord provided services for the king in turn). In exchange, the lord was supposed to look after their basic needs and provide for their safety in times of trouble. In practice, the peasants tended to get the short end of the stick most of the time. In England it wasn't until 1660 that lords were made private owners of their lands. This was in fact bad for peasants, since it meant they could be evicted at will (previously they could neither be evicted ''or'' leave their lord's manor by law, though some fled poor conditions).

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* This was the cornerstone of the feudal system. The king was the one who actually owned the land, the lords were tenants, and the serfs subtenants, both of the latter allowed to use the land in exchange for payment (usually in the form of crops grown on the land, or services provided for the lord, and the lord provided services for the king in turn). In exchange, the lord was supposed to look after their basic needs and provide for their safety in times of trouble. In practice, the peasants tended to get the short end of the stick most of the time. In England it wasn't until 1660 that lords were made private owners of their lands. This was in fact bad for peasants, since it meant they could be evicted at will (previously they could neither be evicted ''or'' leave their lord's manor by law, though some fled poor conditions). After improved farming techniques needing less peasants were developed, increasing numbers got evicted and headed to the cities for survival. This helped to spur industrialization as they found work at handicrafts and later in factories.



* Some sources have argued that the infamous Kowloon Walled City was a de facto example of this.

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* Some sources have argued that the infamous Kowloon Walled City was a de facto ''de facto'' example of this.
10th Apr '17 1:08:09 PM nombretomado
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* ''SecondLife'' could be viewed as a virtual version of this trope.

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* ''SecondLife'' ''VideoGame/SecondLife'' could be viewed as a virtual version of this trope.
17th Feb '17 1:35:43 AM nekunni
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* UsefulNotes/{{Objectivism}}, Anarcho-Capitalism, and Classical Liberalism (aka "Libertarianism" in the USA) consider a society dominated by non-state actors to be ideal. This is because they all believe that property is the most important thing for people to be happy, and that [[WhatYouAreInTheDark the weak and the sick in society will not be (too badly) exploited if those entities are made to feel wholly responsible for their well-being]]. That is to say they truly believe that [[WhatYouAreInTheDark in the absence of a government giving food to starving people and treatment for the sick, private charities and corporations will have the resources and dedication to keep them all from dying]]. Though the three agree that The Free Market Will Provide (Prosperity For All), that there should be little to no government regulation of society and people's behavior, and no public efforts to save the sick or needy, they squabble over the details. However, Anarcho-Capitalism is the only one to envision a society with ''no government whatsoever''-that being where the whole 'Anarcho' bit comes from-but instead absolutely everything being run by syndicates or corporations[[note]] The possibility that these non-state actors could end up governing society in a manner little different to that of a, well, regular government is why Anarcho-Capitalists and Social/Communitarian Anarchists are so irreconcilably opposed to one another[[/note]]. The Objectivists and Classical Liberals think this would be a terrible idea because they're sure that a functional society requires a military and legal/justice system.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Objectivism}}, Anarcho-Capitalism, and Classical Liberalism (aka "Libertarianism" in the USA) consider a society dominated by non-state actors to be ideal. This is because they all believe that property is the most important thing for people to be happy, and that [[WhatYouAreInTheDark the weak and the sick in society will not be (too badly) exploited if those entities are made to feel wholly responsible for their well-being]]. That is to say they truly believe that [[WhatYouAreInTheDark in the absence of a government giving food to starving people and treatment for the sick, private charities and corporations will have the resources and dedication to keep them all from dying]]. Though the three agree that The Free Market Will Provide (Prosperity For All), that there should be little to no government regulation of society and people's behavior, and no public efforts to save the sick or needy, they squabble over the details. However, Anarcho-Capitalism is the only one to envision a society with ''no government whatsoever''-that being where the whole 'Anarcho' bit comes from-but instead absolutely everything being run by syndicates or corporations[[note]] The possibility that these non-state actors could end up governing society in a manner little different to that of a, well, regular government is why Anarcho-Capitalists and Social/Communitarian Anarchists are so irreconcilably opposed to one another[[/note]]. The Objectivists and Classical Liberals think this would be a terrible idea because they're sure that a functional society requires a military and legal/justice system.
28th Dec '16 9:03:53 PM Fireblood
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* King Leopold II of Belgium owned what is now the [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny Democratic Republic of Congo]] and considered it a business investment (that's right, he ''personally owned'' a country well over twice the size of France/Texas). The DRC is ... [[CrapsackWorld not doing so well now]]. To be fair, it didn't exactly do well back then, either. About that bad or worse—in 1900 the population was roughly half that estimated for 1800, after only fifteen years into his private rule in the [[BlatantLies "Congo Free State."]] Every hundredth slave had [[AnArmAndALeg their hands cut off]] [[MakeAnExampleOfThem for an "example" of what happened if you stole from the mines]]. That, plus mercenary troops [[RapePillageAndBurn burned and killed whole villages]] who resisted, along with the brutal slave trade. It ended in 1910 when Anglo-Irish diplomat Roger Casement exposed these atrocities, which prompted Belgium to nationalize the colony, making this better, though still bad. Sir Roger was awarded a medal by the King (i.e. the British King UsefulNotes/GeorgeV-''not'' Leopold, obviously) for his work and ironically he later got hanged for treason after his leadership role in the 1916 Easter Rising against British rule of Ireland.

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* King Leopold II of Belgium owned what is now the [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny Democratic Republic of Congo]] and considered it a business investment (that's right, he ''personally owned'' a country well over twice the size of France/Texas). The DRC is ... [[CrapsackWorld not doing so well now]]. To be fair, it didn't exactly do well back then, either. About that bad or worse—in 1900 the population was roughly half that estimated for 1800, after only fifteen years into his private rule in the [[BlatantLies "Congo Free State."]] Every hundredth slave had [[AnArmAndALeg their hands cut off]] [[MakeAnExampleOfThem for an "example" of what happened if you stole from the mines]]. That, plus mercenary troops [[RapePillageAndBurn burned and killed whole villages]] who resisted, along with the brutal slave trade. It ended in 1910 when Anglo-Irish diplomat Roger Casement exposed these atrocities, which prompted Belgium to nationalize the colony, making this better, though still bad. Sir Roger was awarded a medal by the King (i.e. the British King UsefulNotes/GeorgeV-''not'' George V-''not'' Leopold, obviously) for his work and ironically he later got hanged for treason after his leadership role in the 1916 Easter Rising against British rule of Ireland.



*** For exemple, among the Franks, the kingdoms were actually treated as a part of the estate and consequently divided among the heirs as would be any real or chattel property owned by a deceased person.
* The country of UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}} qualifies, if only because there is literally no government (at least, one that is capable of extending its writ beyond the capital city). Most of the country is ''de facto'' controlled by warlords, [[ChurchMilitant religious militias]], and [[RuthlessModernPirates pirates]], and disputes are settled by the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeer Xeer]]'', an [[AncientTradition ancient system of customary law]] that is based on property rights.
** Somalia is interesting because it's often cited by both proponents and detractors of deregulation and decentralization of government to support their respective viewpoints. On the one hand, the Somali economy is doing better than it was a couple of decades ago during the communist period, and better than many other African economies. On the other hand, it's not hard to do better than them when your annual GDP per capita is about $300 and there's pretty much no place to go but up. If anything it's a cautionary tale about the dangers of what can happen when government is [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny overly powerful and oppressive]] ''and'' being [[AnarchyIsChaos overly weak and ineffective.]]

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*** For exemple, example, among the Franks, the kingdoms were actually treated as a part of the estate and consequently divided among the heirs as would be any real or chattel property owned by a deceased person.
person. Over time this turned into primogeniture to avoid dividing the kingdom each time a king died, whose heirs then often tried to take each other's sections, causing numerous wars.
* The country of UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}} qualifies, if only because there is literally no government (at least, one that is capable of extending its writ control beyond the capital city). Most of the country is ''de facto'' controlled by warlords, [[ChurchMilitant religious militias]], and [[RuthlessModernPirates pirates]], and disputes are settled by the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeer Xeer]]'', an [[AncientTradition ancient system of customary law]] that is based on property rights.
rights. The official state government was established in exile with no input from the people, and has little support.
** Somalia is interesting because it's often cited by both proponents and detractors of deregulation and decentralization of government to support their respective viewpoints. On the one hand, the Somali Somalian economy is doing better than it was a couple of decades ago during the communist period, and better than many other African economies. On the other hand, it's not hard to do better than them when your annual GDP per capita is about $300 and there's pretty much no place to go but up. If anything it's a cautionary tale about the dangers of what can happen when government is [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny overly powerful and oppressive]] ''and'' being [[AnarchyIsChaos overly weak and ineffective.]]



* This was the cornerstone of the feudal system. The king was the one who actually owned the land, the lords were tenants, and the serfs subtenants, both of the latter allowed to use the land in exchange for payment (usually in the form of crops grown on the land, or services provided for the lord, and the lord provided services for the king in turn). In exchange, the lord was supposed to look after their basic needs and provide for their safety in times of trouble. In practice, the peasants tended to get the short end of the stick most of the time. In England it wasn't until 1660 that lords were made private owners of their lands. This was in fact bad for peasants, since it meant they could be evicted at will (previously they could neither be evicted ''or'' leave their lord's manor).
** The richest man ever in the Finnish history was the Drots (the highest ranking arbiter of law, think the Supreme Court, if the Supreme Court was one guy) of Sweden, Bo Jonsson Grip (d. 1386). He simply ''owned all of Finland''.

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* This was the cornerstone of the feudal system. The king was the one who actually owned the land, the lords were tenants, and the serfs subtenants, both of the latter allowed to use the land in exchange for payment (usually in the form of crops grown on the land, or services provided for the lord, and the lord provided services for the king in turn). In exchange, the lord was supposed to look after their basic needs and provide for their safety in times of trouble. In practice, the peasants tended to get the short end of the stick most of the time. In England it wasn't until 1660 that lords were made private owners of their lands. This was in fact bad for peasants, since it meant they could be evicted at will (previously they could neither be evicted ''or'' leave their lord's manor).manor by law, though some fled poor conditions).
** The richest man ever in the Finnish history was the Drots (the highest ranking arbiter of law, think the Supreme Court, if the Supreme Court was one guy) of Sweden, Bo Jonsson Grip (d. 1386). He simply ''owned all of Finland''.
10th Nov '16 5:26:35 PM nombretomado
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* JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Golden Age]]'', for the most part.

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* JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Golden Age]]'', for the most part.
17th Sep '16 12:30:58 PM JujuP
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* Corporations in ''TabletopGames/Cyberpunk'' have taken over various State functions, such as [[LawEnforcementInc police]], in their [[CompanyTown neighbourhoods]], after the States ceased to provide some services becauses of the various wars and economic crisis; they have even [[PrivateArmy private armies]].



* Corporatist Republics in ''VideoGame/CallToPower'' are described as countries where MegaCorps have taken over functions of their jurisdictions when these States started to collapse.



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong British]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong HongKong]] (and one could add the similar city state of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Macau Portuguese]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau Macau]], in its later years, came to be quite like this trope, and still is today.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong British]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong HongKong]] (and one could add the similar city state of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Macau Portuguese]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau Macau]], Macau]]), in its later years, came to be quite like this trope, and still is today.



** More importantly, Hong Kong actually has an ordinary public government. As does Macau.
* King Leopold II of Belgium owned what is now the [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny Democratic Republic of Congo]] and considered it a business investment (that's right, he ''personally owned'' a country well over twice the size of France/Texas). The DRC is ... [[CrapsackWorld not doing so well now]]. To be fair, it didn't exactly do well back then, either. About that bad or worse—in 1900 the population was roughly half that estimated for 1800, after only fifteen years into his private rule in the [[BlatantLies "Congo Free State."]] Every hundredth slave had their hands cut off [[MakeAnExampleOfThem for an "example" of what happened if you stole from the mines]]. That, plus mercenary troops burned and killed whole villages who resisted, along with the brutal slave trade. It ended in 1910 when Anglo-Irish diplomat Roger Casement exposed these atrocities, which prompted Belgium to nationalize the colony, making this better, though still bad. Sir Roger was awarded a medal by the King (i.e. the British King George V-''not'' Leopold, obviously) for his work and ironically he later got hanged for treason after his leadership role in the 1916 Easter Rising against British rule of Ireland.
* Many ancient political systems ran like this. Roman politicians had to discharge the duties of their office (except a few covered by the State treasury) with their own money, recouping the losses with plunder from military campaigns in the provinces. This worked fine when Rome was a single small city-state; it proved rather more problematic as the Empire expanded, leading to civil war and the end of the Republic. The police and fire services were also private originally in Ancient Rome. This had the problems you might expect: Crassus, who was one member of the ruling Triumvirate alongside Julius Caesar, got his famous riches in part by essentially extorting slum lords to sell him their apartment buildings ''when they were on fire.'' He would then have his slave fire brigade collapse the building (the common means of dousing a fire in those days) and rebuild it later, to great profit.

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** More importantly, Hong Kong actually ''actually'' has an ordinary public government. As does Macau.
* King Leopold II of Belgium owned what is now the [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny Democratic Republic of Congo]] and considered it a business investment (that's right, he ''personally owned'' a country well over twice the size of France/Texas). The DRC is ... [[CrapsackWorld not doing so well now]]. To be fair, it didn't exactly do well back then, either. About that bad or worse—in 1900 the population was roughly half that estimated for 1800, after only fifteen years into his private rule in the [[BlatantLies "Congo Free State."]] Every hundredth slave had [[AnArmAndALeg their hands cut off off]] [[MakeAnExampleOfThem for an "example" of what happened if you stole from the mines]]. That, plus mercenary troops [[RapePillageAndBurn burned and killed whole villages villages]] who resisted, along with the brutal slave trade. It ended in 1910 when Anglo-Irish diplomat Roger Casement exposed these atrocities, which prompted Belgium to nationalize the colony, making this better, though still bad. Sir Roger was awarded a medal by the King (i.e. the British King George V-''not'' UsefulNotes/GeorgeV-''not'' Leopold, obviously) for his work and ironically he later got hanged for treason after his leadership role in the 1916 Easter Rising against British rule of Ireland.
** Even later, after the Congo Free State became the Belgian Congo, corporations still had a large power over their mines, plantations and the [[CompanyTown living quarters]] of their workers: they provided them with schooling, healthcare and welfare (some even paid for the dowry of their male employees!)
*** Bakwanga (today Mbuji-Mayi) was build and owned by the [=MiBa=][[note]]For '''''Mi'''nière de '''Ba'''kwanga''[[/note]], who mined diamonds there, and sometimes ''destroyed buildings in order to access the gems''!
* Many ancient political systems ran like this. this.
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Roman politicians had to discharge the duties of their office (except a few covered by the State treasury) with their own money, recouping the losses with plunder from military campaigns in the provinces. This worked fine when Rome was a single small city-state; it proved rather more problematic as the Empire expanded, leading to civil war and the end of the Republic. The police and fire services were also private originally in Ancient Rome. Rome.
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This had the problems you might expect: Crassus, who was one member of the ruling Triumvirate alongside Julius Caesar, got his famous riches in part by essentially extorting slum lords to sell him their apartment buildings ''when they were on fire.'' He would then have his slave fire brigade collapse the building (the common means of dousing a fire in those days) and rebuild it later, to great profit. profit.
** In UsefulNotes/AncientGreece, the city magistrates had to fund their expenses with their own estates.
** The estates of the kilgs and the public treasury weren't really separate until the end of the Middle Ages.
*** For exemple, among the Franks, the kingdoms were actually treated as a part of the estate and consequently divided among the heirs as would be any real or chattel property owned by a deceased person.
2nd Aug '16 12:58:48 AM Fireblood
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** The richest man ever in the Finnish history was the Drots (the highest ranking arbiter of law, think the Supreme Court, if the Supreme Court was one guy) of Sweden, Bo Jonsson Grip (d. 1386). He simply ''owned the whole Finland''.

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** The richest man ever in the Finnish history was the Drots (the highest ranking arbiter of law, think the Supreme Court, if the Supreme Court was one guy) of Sweden, Bo Jonsson Grip (d. 1386). He simply ''owned the whole all of Finland''.
28th Jun '16 3:39:02 AM Morgenthaler
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* This is basically the premise of ''JenniferGovernment'' in which government's power has been so limited that it can only investigate crimes against life and property and only for those who can pay. Most of the plot highlights the problems with this; for example, it opens with someone being hired to murder a few people for their sneakers to give said sneakers some street cred and drive up sales. Then one of the victims, a little girl, dies because a bystander's attempt to call an ambulance gets delayed by the need to arrange payment. And so on.

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* This is basically the premise of ''JenniferGovernment'' ''Literature/JenniferGovernment'' in which government's power has been so limited that it can only investigate crimes against life and property and only for those who can pay. Most of the plot highlights the problems with this; for example, it opens with someone being hired to murder a few people for their sneakers to give said sneakers some street cred and drive up sales. Then one of the victims, a little girl, dies because a bystander's attempt to call an ambulance gets delayed by the need to arrange payment. And so on.



* In ''StarBridge'' by Jack Williamson and James Gunn, the entire human-occupied universe is essentially a Company Town for the Eron Corporation, which [[spoiler: thinks it]] controls the secret of the Tubes, the "star bridges" of the title.

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* In ''StarBridge'' ''Literature/StarBridge'' by Jack Williamson and James Gunn, the entire human-occupied universe is essentially a Company Town for the Eron Corporation, which [[spoiler: thinks it]] controls the secret of the Tubes, the "star bridges" of the title.
13th Dec '15 10:03:30 AM EDP
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* Many ancient political systems ran like this. Roman politicians had to discharge the duties of their office (except a few covered by the State treasury) with their own money, recouping the losses with plunder from military campaigns in the provinces. This worked fine when Rome was a single small city-state; it proved rather more problematic as the Empire expanded, leading to civil war and the end of the Republic. The police and fire services were also private originally in Ancient Rome. This had the problems you might expect: Croesus, who was one member of the ruling Triumvirate alongside Julius Caesar, got his famous riches in part by essentially extorting slum lords to sell him their apartment buildings ''when they were on fire.'' He would then have his slave fire brigade collapse the building (the common means of dousing a fire in those days) and rebuild it later, to great profit.

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* Many ancient political systems ran like this. Roman politicians had to discharge the duties of their office (except a few covered by the State treasury) with their own money, recouping the losses with plunder from military campaigns in the provinces. This worked fine when Rome was a single small city-state; it proved rather more problematic as the Empire expanded, leading to civil war and the end of the Republic. The police and fire services were also private originally in Ancient Rome. This had the problems you might expect: Croesus, Crassus, who was one member of the ruling Triumvirate alongside Julius Caesar, got his famous riches in part by essentially extorting slum lords to sell him their apartment buildings ''when they were on fire.'' He would then have his slave fire brigade collapse the building (the common means of dousing a fire in those days) and rebuild it later, to great profit.
11th Oct '15 1:27:57 PM Fireblood
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* 2077 on ''Series/{{Continuum}}'' is an example of this. The show avoids presenting it as an outright CrapsackWorld, but it's still not a terribly pleasant place for rather large numbers of people to live.
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* 2077 on ''Series/{{Continuum}}'' is an example of this. The show avoids presenting it as an outright CrapsackWorld, but it's still not a terribly pleasant place for rather large numbers of people to live. However, the rebels opposing it are [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized violent terrorists]].
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