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7th Jan '17 10:11:25 AM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler: The BigBad]] in ''Film/SkyCaptainAndTheWorldOfTomorrow'' is revealed to have died years (perhaps decades) before the story actually began. [[spoiler: A case of art imitating life, as he was played by Sir LaurenceOlivier, who had been dead for over a decade.]]

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* [[spoiler: The BigBad]] in ''Film/SkyCaptainAndTheWorldOfTomorrow'' is revealed to have died years (perhaps decades) before the story actually began. [[spoiler: A case of art imitating life, as he was played by Sir LaurenceOlivier, Creator/LaurenceOlivier, who had been dead for over a decade.]]
3rd Jan '17 1:23:06 PM Willbyr
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30th Dec '16 4:27:01 AM Gosicrystal
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* ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'':
** We learn the Ninth Man's identity after his gruesome death.
** Not to mention [[spoiler: The Captain.]]

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* ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'':
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In ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'', we learn the Ninth Man's [[spoiler:(and the Captain's)]] identity after his gruesome death.
** Not to mention [[spoiler: The Captain.]]
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** [[spoiler: Byrne Faraday]] in ''Investigations'' is noteworthy. In the course of investigating his murder we find out a lot about his personality and relationship with his [[spoiler: daughter Kay,]] but the full story about his past doesn't come out until near the end of the final case.
** Gregory Edgeworth became one by way of a flashback case in ''Investigations 2'', which fleshed out his personality a little more.
** The same game also has a very interesting case in [[spoiler: Horace Knightley]] who, while alive, is just a [[FlatCharacter flat]], {{Jerkass}}, [[spoiler: murderer]]. It's not until he [[spoiler: becomes a murder victim himself]] that you learn [[HiddenDepths there was a little more to him than that.]]
** Also contains a Zig-Zagging example in [[spoiler: Di-Jun Huang]] who you meet, very much alive, until... he dies [[spoiler: in the 5th case.]] You begin learning more about him in flashbacks after this, but they cumulate in TheReveal that [[spoiler: ''that'' Huang was just a body double, turns out the ''real'' Huang was a Posthumous Character [[DeadToBeginWith right from the start.]]]]

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** [[spoiler: Byrne [[spoiler:Byrne Faraday]] in ''Investigations'' ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'' is noteworthy. In the course of investigating his murder we find out a lot about his personality and relationship with his [[spoiler: daughter Kay,]] but the full story about his past doesn't come out until near the end of the final case.
** ''Ace Attorney Investigations 2'':
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Gregory Edgeworth became one by way of a flashback case in ''Investigations 2'', case, which fleshed out his personality a little more.
** The same game also has a very interesting case in [[spoiler: Horace Knightley]] who, *** [[spoiler:Horace Knightley]], while alive, is just a [[FlatCharacter flat]], {{Jerkass}}, [[spoiler: murderer]]. {{Jerkass}} [[spoiler:murderer]]. It's not until he [[spoiler: becomes [[spoiler:becomes a murder victim himself]] that you learn [[HiddenDepths there was a little more to him than that.]]
** Also contains a Zig-Zagging *** A zig-zagging example in [[spoiler: Di-Jun is [[spoiler:Di-Jun Huang]] who you meet, very much alive, until... he dies [[spoiler: in [[spoiler:in the 5th case.]] You begin learning more about him in flashbacks after this, but they cumulate in TheReveal that [[spoiler: ''that'' [[spoiler:''that'' Huang was just a body double, turns out the ''real'' Huang was a Posthumous Character [[DeadToBeginWith right from the start.]]]]
27th Dec '16 2:46:31 PM SnowyNix
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** Karen Lilica and Layla Heartfilia also count.

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** Karen Lilica Lilica, Rob, Ur, and Layla Heartfilia also count.count.
** [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] with [[spoiler: Zeref]].
16th Dec '16 8:55:29 AM Anicomicgeek
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* ''VideoGame/BatmanTheTelltaleSeries'' sees a greater focus on Thomas and Martha Wayne, and their legacy, which is the crux of the plot, [[spoiler:because unlike other versions, these versions underwent AdaptationalVillainy and were in league with crime boss Carmine Falcone and Gotham's corrupt mayor Hamilton Hill, with Thomas Wayne being a GreaterScopeVillain as his actions resulted in the existence of the Penguin and Lady Arkham (a similarly {{Adaptational Vil|lainy}}ified Vicki Vale), whose actions also means turn lead to bad publicity for Bruce and Harvey Dent's transformation into Two-Face.]]



* ''VideoGame/BatmanTheTelltaleSeries'' sees a greater focus on Thomas and Martha Wayne, and their legacy, which is the crux of the plot, [[spoiler:because unlike other versions, these versions underwent AdaptationalVillainy and were in league with crime boss Carmine Falcone and Gotham's corrupt mayor Hamilton Hill, with Thomas Wayne being a GreaterScopeVillain as his actions resulted in the existence of the Penguin and Lady Arkham (a similarly AdaptationalVil|lainy}}ified Vicki Vale), whose actions also means turn lead to bad publicity for Bruce and Harvey Dent's transformation into Two-Face.]]
16th Dec '16 8:52:12 AM Anicomicgeek
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* ''Fanfic/SOE2LoneHeirOfKrypton'': [[spoiler:''[[Franchise/{{Superman}} Kal-El's baby]]'']] was dead fourteen years before the beginning of the story, but it is because him Asuka has powers and it is because him Asuka decides using them altruistically and in the latter chapters she wonders if her biological father would approve of her.

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* ''Fanfic/SOE2LoneHeirOfKrypton'': [[spoiler:''[[Franchise/{{Superman}} Kal-El's baby]]'']] was dead fourteen years before the beginning of the story, but it is because of him Asuka has powers and it is because of him Asuka decides using them altruistically and in the latter chapters she wonders if her biological father would approve of her.



* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'': Amadeus Arkham, aka the Spirit of Arkham. Batman must collect journal entries of the founder of the Asylum throughout Arkham Island in a side mission, where we learn the secret history of Gotham's greatest prison and its chief doctor's eventual incarceration within his own institution.
* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'': In a similar nod to Amadeus' mission, Batman also searches for the journal entries of Cyrus Pinkney, another deceased founding father of Gotham.

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* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'': ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries'':
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Amadeus Arkham, aka the Spirit of Arkham. Batman must collect journal entries of the founder of the Asylum throughout Arkham Island in a side mission, where we learn the secret history of Gotham's greatest prison and its chief doctor's eventual incarceration within his own institution.
* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'': ** In a similar nod to Amadeus' mission, ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins''see Batman also searches search for the journal entries of Cyrus Pinkney, another deceased founding father of Gotham.


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* ''VideoGame/BatmanTheTelltaleSeries'' sees a greater focus on Thomas and Martha Wayne, and their legacy, which is the crux of the plot, [[spoiler:because unlike other versions, these versions underwent AdaptationalVillainy and were in league with crime boss Carmine Falcone and Gotham's corrupt mayor Hamilton Hill, with Thomas Wayne being a GreaterScopeVillain as his actions resulted in the existence of the Penguin and Lady Arkham (a similarly AdaptationalVil|lainy}}ified Vicki Vale), whose actions also means turn lead to bad publicity for Bruce and Harvey Dent's transformation into Two-Face.]]
8th Dec '16 9:22:04 AM StFan
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* In the anime version of ''Manga/{{Akira}}'', [[spoiler: the eponymous character himself has been dead for over three decades.]]



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* Simon "Gazerbeam" Pallidino from ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles''. He was recruited by Syndrome to battle a prototype Omnidroid, then somehow he learned of Syndrome's nefarious plan, as well as the password to Syndrome's computer system. He escaped the fortress, only to die in a cave (presumably killed by one of Syndrome's probe droids)--forseeing the end, he carved the password in the cave wall with his EyeBeams. ''All of this'' happens off-screen, prior to the main plot; all we see is Mr Incredible reading about Pallidino's disappearance in a newspaper article, then stumbling upon Gazerbeam's remains in the cave. [[ChekhovsGun The password Gazerbeam carved on the wall comes in handy.]]
** Gazerbeam is only seen alive in a flashback where he's a guest at the Parrs' wedding -- for about half a second.
* Mufasa and Scar in ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride''.

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* In the anime version of ''Manga/{{Akira}}'', [[spoiler:the eponymous character himself has been dead for over three decades.]]
* Simon "Gazerbeam" Pallidino from ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles''. He was recruited by Syndrome to battle a prototype Omnidroid, then somehow he learned of Syndrome's nefarious plan, as well as the password to Syndrome's computer system. He escaped the fortress, only to die in a cave (presumably killed by one of Syndrome's probe droids)--forseeing droids) -- forseeing the end, he carved the password in the cave wall with his EyeBeams. ''All of this'' happens off-screen, prior to the main plot; all we see is Mr Mr. Incredible reading about Pallidino's disappearance in a newspaper article, then stumbling upon Gazerbeam's remains in the cave. [[ChekhovsGun The password Gazerbeam carved on the wall comes in handy.]]
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]] Gazerbeam is only seen alive in a flashback where he's a guest at the Parrs' wedding -- for about half a second.
* %%* Mufasa and Scar in ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride''.



* [[spoiler: [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim Doc Hudson]]]] in ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars 2}}''.

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* %%* [[spoiler: [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim Doc Hudson]]]] in ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars 2}}''.



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* Alex, in ''Film/TheBigChill''. It's his suicide that sets the film in motion.
** Footage intended to be used as either flashbacks or the intro to the film was actually shot, with Creator/KevinCostner in the part, but ultimately not used.

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* Alex, in ''Film/TheBigChill''. It's his suicide that sets the film in motion.
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motion. Footage intended to be used as either flashbacks or the intro to the film was actually shot, with Creator/KevinCostner in the part, but ultimately not used.



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* In Creator/DavidEddings ''Literature/{{The Belgariad}}'', Garion's parents and Polgara's sister start as clues on Garion's identity.

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* In Creator/DavidEddings ''Literature/{{The Belgariad}}'', ''Literature/TheBelgariad'', Garion's parents and Polgara's sister start as clues on Garion's identity.



* Keifer Porter in ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' may have been dead for six years, but damned if his presence isn't still felt and his actions aren't still causing problems.

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Keifer Porter in ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' may have been dead for six years, but damned if his presence isn't still felt and his actions aren't still causing problems.



* [[Literature/AChristmasCarol "Marley was dead: to begin with. There is no doubt whatever about that."]] Marley sets off the entire plot of the book, but [[CharlesDickens Dickens]] wants you to know that Marley is very definitely dead before he ever makes an appearance.
* Captain Flint in ''Literature/TreasureIsland''.

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* [[Literature/AChristmasCarol ''Literature/AChristmasCarol'': "Marley was dead: to begin with. There is no doubt whatever about that."]] " Marley sets off the entire plot of the book, but [[CharlesDickens Dickens]] wants you to know that Marley is very definitely dead before he ever makes an appearance.
* %%* Captain Flint in ''Literature/TreasureIsland''.



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* In ''TarotCafe'', Pamela's mother [[BurnTheWitch was burned at the stake]] before the series begins, but she still shows up in Pamela's memories, a hallucination/dream, [[spoiler:and to give Pamela a hint when Pamela is exploring Hell.]] Arguably she sets off the events of the series, between taking Pamela to visit the "holy man" [[spoiler:who was really Belus]] and making her DealWithTheDevil in an effort to protect her daughter.

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* In ''TarotCafe'', ''Tarot Cafe'', Pamela's mother [[BurnTheWitch was burned at the stake]] before the series begins, but she still shows up in Pamela's memories, a hallucination/dream, [[spoiler:and to give Pamela a hint when Pamela is exploring Hell.]] Arguably she sets off the events of the series, between taking Pamela to visit the "holy man" [[spoiler:who was really Belus]] and making her DealWithTheDevil in an effort to protect her daughter.



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* ''Podcast/TheMagnusArchives'' has Gertrude Robinson, the previous archivist. She was responsible for the chaotic state of the archive, and seemingly for a great deal more. At the end of season 1 we find out that [[spoiler:she was shot, and her body is in the archive's basement.]]
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* ''Podcast/TheMagnusArchives'' has Gertrude Robinson, the previous archivist. She was responsible for the chaotic state of the archive, and seemingly for a great deal more. At the end of season 1 we find out that [[spoiler:she was shot, and her body is in the archive's basement.]]
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* The first student to die in v1 of ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' is a kid on the plane shot for wearing his hat sideways, due to [[BigBad Danya's]] hatred of "punks". From there to the very end of the game, this student is never mentioned again, or even named, until endgame when Adam reflects back on the student's execution and remembers how he had been back in school, finally revealing to the reader the character's name and personality. It finally comes full circle to the boy being shot just for wearing his hat sideways, giving the reader a whole new perspective on a boy who had originally just been [[ThrowawayCountry a throw away redshirt.]]

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* ''Podcast/TheMagnusArchives'' has Gertrude Robinson, the previous archivist. She was responsible for the chaotic state of the archive, and seemingly for a great deal more. At the end of season 1 we find out that [[spoiler:she was shot, and her body is in the archive's basement.]]
* The first student to die in v1 of ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' ''Roleplay/SurvivalOfTheFittest'' is a kid on the plane shot for wearing his hat sideways, due to [[BigBad Danya's]] hatred of "punks". From there to the very end of the game, this student is never mentioned again, or even named, until endgame when Adam reflects back on the student's execution and remembers how he had been back in school, finally revealing to the reader the character's name and personality. It finally comes full circle to the boy being shot just for wearing his hat sideways, giving the reader a whole new perspective on a boy who had originally just been [[ThrowawayCountry a throw away redshirt.]]



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* Hamato Yoshi in ''[[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003)]]'' is one of these. After appearing in occasional flashbacks, [[ADayInTheLimelight he is the focus]] of the series' hundredth episode.

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* Hamato Yoshi in ''[[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003)]]'' ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'' is one of these. After appearing in occasional flashbacks, [[ADayInTheLimelight he is the focus]] of the series' hundredth episode.
29th Nov '16 7:20:40 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* ''TabletopGames/{{Planescape}}'':
** Aoskar, the god of portals, tends to be mentioned a lot. Centuries ago, he tried to usurp the Lady of Pain's control over Sigil, and eventually she killed him, destroying his temple (which became the Athar's home) and presumably then stating her edict that deities were no longer allowed in the Cage. Since that time, while many have challenged her rule, none come close to succeeding.
** Cantrum, the founder and original leader of the Dark Eight, who was assassinated early on (some say by a heroic and mighty paladin, others say by an abishai who got lucky). Whatever the case, his death serves to remind devils that, no matter how strong you are, you are ''never'' invincible.
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23rd Nov '16 2:14:36 PM DrOO7
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* HelenKimble in ''Film/TheFugitive'', though unlike most characters mentioned here, she only gets a few flashbacks, but they're enough to establish that she and Dr. Kimble were HappilyMarried.

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* HelenKimble Helen Kimble in ''Film/TheFugitive'', though unlike most characters mentioned here, she only gets a few flashbacks, but they're enough to establish that she and Dr. Kimble were HappilyMarried.
13th Nov '16 11:48:03 PM NESBoy
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** Superintendent Chalmers's wife, Rosemary, was first mentioned at the very end of Season 16's "Pranksta Rap", with Chalmers saying she's very sick. She wasn't brought up again until Season 23's "Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts", where it is revealed that she had died.
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