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9th Aug '16 1:31:33 PM KingZeal
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* Whenever Dante of ''Franchise/DevilMayCry'' acquires a new weapon, he instantly has intimate knowledge of how it works, no matter its complexity or peculiarity, to the point where he can use the weapon ''far'' more competently than it was even intended to be within ''seconds'' of acquiring it. In the first game, it was implied that this was because [[EmpathicWeapon the weapons were sentient]] and were guiding his actions, or communicating to him. In the third installment, Dante's proficiency with his newly acquired weapons is due to the demons slain giving him their blessings in order to use their power. In ''Videogame/MarvelVsCapcom3'', Dante's character profile states that this is actually one of his specified superpowers--he can use ANY weapon, ''period'', the moment he touches it.

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* Whenever Dante of ''Franchise/DevilMayCry'' acquires a new weapon, he instantly has intimate knowledge of how it works, no matter its complexity or peculiarity, to the point where he can use the weapon ''far'' more competently than it was even intended to be within ''seconds'' of acquiring it. In the first game, it was implied that this was because [[EmpathicWeapon the weapons were sentient]] and were guiding his actions, or communicating to him. In the third installment, Dante's proficiency with his newly acquired weapons is due to the demons slain giving him their blessings in order to use their power. In ''Videogame/MarvelVsCapcom3'', Dante's character profile states that this is actually one of his specified superpowers--he can use ANY weapon, ''period'', the moment he touches it.
9th Aug '16 1:26:50 PM storymasterb
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''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' averts this trope in the case of Gilgamesh, who has a Noble Phantasm which amounts to a HyperspaceArsenal containing the prototype versions of every legendary weapon in history. Despite this, he can't actually use any of them effectively, he never trained in swordsmanship as he was a king, not a warrior, so he resorts to firing them as a StormOfBlades. [[spoiler: Shirou points this out in their final fight in the Unlimited Blade Works route as why Gilgamesh is just about the only Servant he could hope to defeat: Gilgamesh is so dependent on winning fights with barrages of swords that as soon as he fights someone who can do the same thing but even slightly faster, he's unable to match his opponent in close combat.]]

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* ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' averts this trope in the case of Gilgamesh, who has a Noble Phantasm which amounts to a HyperspaceArsenal containing the prototype versions of every legendary weapon in history. Despite this, he can't actually use any of them effectively, he never trained in swordsmanship as he was a king, not a warrior, so he resorts to firing them as a StormOfBlades. [[spoiler: Shirou points this out in their final fight in the Unlimited Blade Works route as why Gilgamesh is just about the only Servant he could hope to defeat: Gilgamesh is so dependent on winning fights with barrages of swords that as soon as he fights someone who can do the same thing but even slightly faster, he's unable to match his opponent in close combat.]]
9th Aug '16 1:26:31 PM storymasterb
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''Fate/StayNight'' averts this trope in the case of Gilgamesh, who has a Noble Phantasm which amounts to a HyperspaceArsenal containing the prototype versions of every legendary weapon in history. Despite this, he can't actually use any of them effectively, he never trained in swordsmanship as he was a king, not a warrior, so he resorts to firing them as a StormOfBlades. [[spoiler: Shirou points this out in their final fight in the Unlimited Blade Works route as why Gilgamesh is just about the only Servant he could hope to defeat: Gilgamesh is so dependent on winning fights with barrages of swords that as soon as he fights someone who can do the same thing but even slightly faster, he's unable to match his opponent in close combat.]]

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''Fate/StayNight'' ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' averts this trope in the case of Gilgamesh, who has a Noble Phantasm which amounts to a HyperspaceArsenal containing the prototype versions of every legendary weapon in history. Despite this, he can't actually use any of them effectively, he never trained in swordsmanship as he was a king, not a warrior, so he resorts to firing them as a StormOfBlades. [[spoiler: Shirou points this out in their final fight in the Unlimited Blade Works route as why Gilgamesh is just about the only Servant he could hope to defeat: Gilgamesh is so dependent on winning fights with barrages of swords that as soon as he fights someone who can do the same thing but even slightly faster, he's unable to match his opponent in close combat.]]
9th Aug '16 1:26:04 PM storymasterb
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''Fate/StayNight'' averts this trope in the case of Gilgamesh, who has a Noble Phantasm which amounts to a HyperspaceArsenal containing the prototype versions of every legendary weapon in history. Despite this, he can't actually use any of them effectively, he never trained in swordsmanship as he was a king, not a warrior, so he resorts to firing them as a StormOfBlades. [[spoiler: Shirou points this out in their final fight in the Unlimited Blade Works route as why Gilgamesh is just about the only Servant he could hope to defeat: Gilgamesh is so dependent on winning fights with barrages of swords that as soon as he fights someone who can do the same thing but even slightly faster, he's unable to match his opponent in close combat.]]
8th Aug '16 8:53:01 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* Similar to the ''Mass Effect'' example above, the Covenant in ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' have lots of tech superior to that of the UNSC. Luckily for humanity, they don't seem to understand it much better than we do. In the novel ''Literature/HaloFirstStrike'', Cortana manages to vastly improve the performance of a Covenant cruiser by fiddling with the settings and immediately gets yelled at by the Covenant AI for "blasphemy". Yes, the Covenant deliberately shoot themselves in the foot by even making their [=AIs=] constrained by religious dogma.

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* Similar to the ''Mass Effect'' example above, example, the Covenant in ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' have lots of tech superior to that of the UNSC. Luckily for humanity, they don't seem to understand it much better than we do. In the novel ''Literature/HaloFirstStrike'', Cortana manages to vastly improve the performance of a Covenant cruiser by fiddling with the settings and immediately gets yelled at by the Covenant AI for "blasphemy". Yes, the Covenant deliberately shoot themselves in the foot by even making their [=AIs=] constrained by religious dogma.
17th Jul '16 12:40:54 PM GhostlyBrony
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* In ''VideoGame/FarCry3'', Jason has no weapons training, yet he is an expert with every weapon he finds in the game.

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* In ''VideoGame/FarCry3'', Jason only has no weapons training, some marksmanship experience on the gun range prior to the events of the game, yet he is an expert with despite this he's able to use every weapon he finds in the game.game with little effort.
16th Jul '16 12:32:57 AM DoctorTItanX
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** Kenpachi Zaraki is the best example of subverting this trope. He owns a zanpakuto... but to him, it's just a normal sword. He makes up for the lack of zanpakuto abilities with monstrous strength and spiritual pressure. Similarly, lesser shinigami have zanpakuto without abilities, but it's implied that for most shinigami, gaining the abilities simply comes with time and effort, leading to a increase in rank and power.
** Potentially utilized in the latest arc [[spoiler: A Vandenreich member has literally stolen a bankai, and gloats on how he will kill his opponent with it. The ensuring attack is completely ineffective and he gets stomped in less than a second, and its pointed out that the attack was much less powerful than it was under its original owner.]]

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** Kenpachi Zaraki is the best example of subverting this trope. He owns a zanpakuto...Zanpakuto... but to him, it's just a normal sword. He makes up for the lack of zanpakuto Zanpakuto abilities with monstrous strength and spiritual pressure. Similarly, lesser shinigami have zanpakuto Zanpakuto without abilities, but it's implied that for most shinigami, gaining the abilities simply comes with time and effort, leading to a increase in rank and power.
** Potentially utilized in the latest arc [[spoiler: A Vandenreich member has literally stolen a bankai, Bankai, and gloats on how he will kill his opponent with it. The ensuring attack is completely ineffective and he gets stomped in less than a second, and its it's pointed out that the attack was much less powerful than it was under its original owner.]]
4th Jul '16 5:04:22 PM Zubon
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** This being the Ultimate Universe, things aren't quite that simple though. [[spoiler: His initial warning is true, he ''doesn't'' have super strength; this was later proved to be a side effect of a SuperSerum called [[ShoutOut Banshee]] that amplifies mutant powers. Without it, Colossus would have just been a metal man, too heavy (it's implied) to even breathe for any extended period of time. In true comic book form, they [[RetCon retconned]] this by saying this was why he was working for the Russian mob in the first place, they paid for (or were a meants of payment for) the drug. By the end of that arc, however, it seems that the super strength is now a permanent side effect, effectively keeping StatusQuoIsGod.]]

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** This being the Ultimate Universe, things aren't quite that simple though. [[spoiler: His initial warning is true, he ''doesn't'' have super strength; this was later proved to be a side effect of a SuperSerum called [[ShoutOut Banshee]] that amplifies mutant powers. Without it, Colossus would have just been a metal man, too heavy (it's implied) to even breathe for any extended period of time. In true comic book form, they [[RetCon retconned]] this by saying this was why he was working for the Russian mob in the first place, they paid for (or were a meants means of payment for) the drug. By the end of that arc, however, it seems that the super strength is now a permanent side effect, effectively keeping StatusQuoIsGod.]]



* Explicitely {{Averted}} in ''Series/BabylonFive'', where when you get a new alien technology you either have the original builders helping you or the initial efforts at using it are less than satisfactory (as shown when a Human fiddled with some devices from Ikarra and became a SuperSoldier hellbent on killing anyone who wasn't a pure Ikarran, with parameters decided by fanatics, and the ''[[CoolShip Excalibur]]'', who has some troubles any time she fires her WaveMotionGun). In fact the three groups known for being technology scavengers (Earth Alliance, Centauri Republic and Narn Regime) have the rather pragmatic approach to disasseble what they find, analyze and experiment on it in a safe location until they have a good understanding of what it does and how it works, and then build their own version.

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* Explicitely {{Averted}} in ''Series/BabylonFive'', where when you get a new alien technology you either have the original builders helping you or the initial efforts at using it are less than satisfactory (as shown when a Human fiddled with some devices from Ikarra and became a SuperSoldier hellbent on killing anyone who wasn't a pure Ikarran, with parameters decided by fanatics, and the ''[[CoolShip Excalibur]]'', who has some troubles any time she fires her WaveMotionGun). In fact the three groups known for being technology scavengers (Earth Alliance, Centauri Republic and Narn Regime) have the rather pragmatic approach to disasseble disassemble what they find, analyze and experiment on it in a safe location until they have a good understanding of what it does and how it works, and then build their own version.
10th Jun '16 3:15:02 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* [[AvertedTrope Conspicuous by its absence]] in ''Anime/{{Macross}}'', where barely understood higher technology acts like it. Multiple plot points involve the protagonists being forced to use a foolhardy technique or maneuver and having it blow up in their faces. [[spoiler:The CoolShip first takes off using alien antigravity generators, which proceed to tear through the hull and float off into the sky. The second attempt is done with ordinary engines. On the other hand, the crew then pulled off an extreme low altitude space fold jump to outmaneuver the Zentraedi, leaving the aliens astonished that their enemy could do something they thought impossible. The inexperienced and desperate Macross crew did not know that themselves and succeeded by pure luck.]] This actually works somewhat in their favor since their enemies are kept continually off guard with each stunt, unable to decide if their completely unpredictable enemies are pathetic amateurs or half-crazed tactical geniuses.

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* [[AvertedTrope Conspicuous by its absence]] in ''Anime/{{Macross}}'', ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'', where barely understood higher technology acts like it. Multiple plot points involve the protagonists being forced to use a foolhardy technique or maneuver and having it blow up in their faces. [[spoiler:The CoolShip first takes off using alien antigravity generators, which proceed to tear through the hull and float off into the sky. The second attempt is done with ordinary engines. On the other hand, the crew then pulled off an extreme low altitude space fold jump to outmaneuver the Zentraedi, leaving the aliens astonished that their enemy could do something they thought impossible. The inexperienced and desperate Macross ''Macross'' crew simply did not know that themselves and succeeded by pure luck.]] This actually works somewhat in their favor since their enemies are kept continually off guard with each stunt, unable to decide if their completely unpredictable enemies are pathetic amateurs or half-crazed tactical geniuses.



** This lack of understanding actually kicked off the plot. The crew of the Macross found out too late that the original owners of their ship had rigged it to fire its [[WaveMotionGun main cannon]] on the first Zentraedi ship that came in range, thus throwing humanity into a war with the aliens. [[spoiler: more to the point, the low altitude space fold jump mentioned above ended up bringing an ''entire island'' (with over 5000 civilians) along for the ride, out to around the orbit of Pluto (they had intended to jump behind the moon. WITHOUT the island, in case you were wondering). Better yet, the fold space generator that they had used to make the jump literally vanished into thin air during the maneuver.]]

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** This lack of understanding actually kicked off the plot. The crew of the Macross ''Macross'' found out too late that the original owners of their ship had rigged it to fire its [[WaveMotionGun main cannon]] on the first Zentraedi ship that came in range, thus throwing humanity into a war with the aliens. [[spoiler: more More to the point, the low altitude space fold jump mentioned above ended up bringing an ''entire island'' (with over 5000 civilians) along for the ride, out to around the orbit of Pluto (they had intended to jump behind the moon. WITHOUT the island, in case you were wondering). Better yet, the fold space generator that they had used to make the jump literally vanished into thin air during the maneuver.]]
21st May '16 8:54:33 AM erforce
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* Averted in ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}.'' On their first real job, the Busters end up causing a ton of damage to the hotel, including destroying a maid cart and completely wrecking a reserved dining room. [[WordOfGod Harold Ramis]] has gone on record for stating that the key was to portray the Ghostbusters as really trigger-happy and nervous when they're on their first bust.
* In ''StarWars Episode I: ThePhantomMenace'', Anakin Skywalker assumes that because Qui-Gon Jinn has a lightsaber, he must be a Jedi. When Qui-Gon jokingly retorts that he could have alternatively killed a Jedi and snatched the lightsaber, Anakin claims that no one would ever be able to kill a Jedi.

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* Averted in ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}.''Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}}.'' On their first real job, the Busters end up causing a ton of damage to the hotel, including destroying a maid cart and completely wrecking a reserved dining room. [[WordOfGod Harold Ramis]] has gone on record for stating that the key was to portray the Ghostbusters as really trigger-happy and nervous when they're on their first bust.
* In ''StarWars ''[[Film/ThePhantomMenace Star Wars Episode I: ThePhantomMenace'', The Phantom Menace]]'', Anakin Skywalker assumes that because Qui-Gon Jinn has a lightsaber, he must be a Jedi. When Qui-Gon jokingly retorts that he could have alternatively killed a Jedi and snatched the lightsaber, Anakin claims that no one would ever be able to kill a Jedi.
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