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16th Apr '16 8:42:52 PM Ramidel
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* ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'':
** The series crashed into the ceiling headlong when it went for a PostScriptSeason. They had already killed off the greatest warlord of the Century's End, Kenshiro's big brother and EvilCounterpart Raoh, and Kenshiro was already such an InvincibleHero that there was no way that they could either power him up any more or give him another credible challenge, but they had to try anyway. The Land of Shura arc was the result of their attempt to scale up Raoh; they created an EvilCounterpart ''style'' to Hokuto Shinken based on an evil version of ''[[KiAttacks touki]]'', and had Kaioh be [[spoiler: Kenshiro's ''biological'' older brother instead of his sempai]]. They also [[spoiler: made the Land of Shura be Kenshiro's birthplace]] in an attempt to rebuild the EmotionalTorque of the first series. General fan consensus is that it didn't quite work.
** The post-Shura arcs' [[AvertedTrope aversion]] of this trope demonstrates exactly why it's [[NecessaryWeasel necessary]]. After Kenshiro leaves the Land of Shura, the manga starts using villains who would have been [[MonsterOfTheWeek Punks of the Week]] in the ''first'' series (and in fact, the final villain was retconned into ''having been'' an ordinary GiantMook). While the series tries to [[ChangingOfTheGuard refocus on the younger supporting cast]], such as Ryu and Bat, inevitably Kenshiro is going to get involved in the fight, at which point the villains [[CatchPhrase don't even know that they're already dead]]. Even more than Land of Shura, these arcs are seen as a sign of terminal FranchiseZombie-ism.
14th Nov '15 5:04:52 AM starofjusticev21
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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as book 20 has Lone Wolf basically going ToHellAndBack, and if he'd actually killed Naar then any further books would just feel like mopping up the remianing dregs of evil.

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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as book 20 has Lone Wolf basically going ToHellAndBack, and if he'd actually killed Naar then any further books would just feel like mopping up the remianing remaining dregs of evil.
14th Nov '15 5:04:42 AM starofjusticev21
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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as book 20 has Lone Wolf basically going ToHellAndBack, and they'd hit the ceiling.

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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as book 20 has Lone Wolf basically going ToHellAndBack, and they'd hit if he'd actually killed Naar then any further books would just feel like mopping up the ceiling.remianing dregs of evil.
5th Nov '15 5:52:22 PM starofjusticev21
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* This seems to be the Modus Operandi for the StarWarsExpandedUniverse. Can't think of a plot? Introduce another seemingly forgotten Sith faction from nowhere and build them up to be the greatest threat the galaxy has ever known. Done to such an extreme that the most recent [[FateOfTheJedi main storyline series]] had Luke facing off against an EldritchAbomination that was made out to be stronger than the Emperor. For the record, the Emperor has been used as a benchmark for enemy power levels.

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* This seems to be the Modus Operandi for the StarWarsExpandedUniverse. Can't think of a plot? Introduce another seemingly forgotten Sith faction from nowhere and build them up to be the greatest threat the galaxy has ever known. Done to such an extreme that the most recent [[FateOfTheJedi main storyline series]] had Luke facing off against an EldritchAbomination that was made out to be stronger than the Emperor. For the record, the Emperor has been used as a benchmark for enemy power levels.PowerLevels.
5th Nov '15 5:02:14 AM starofjusticev21
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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as book 20 was already pushing credulity.

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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as book 20 was already pushing credulity.has Lone Wolf basically going ToHellAndBack, and they'd hit the ceiling.
4th Nov '15 7:54:29 AM HighCrate
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* One could argue this is what ultimately crippled ''{{Dragonball}} Z''. We go from a military commander who wants to be taller, to an evil demon king, to the proud and arrogant prince of Goku's race that can crush Goku and his friends with ease, to the ruler of the galaxies that ''commanded'' said prince, to a genetic amalgam created from various good and bad guys including said ruler, and the... what can probably be called abomination Majin Buu, who destroys planets and people for the hell of it. SerialEscalation has made it so the series is widely known for parody-level absurd power levels, where you could practically sneeze and destroy a planet, but put it back almost as easily. It's ''really'' not what Mr. Toriyama was going for back in the beginning...

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* One could argue this is what ultimately crippled ''{{Dragonball}} Z''. We In ''Manga/{{Dragonball}}'', we go from a military commander who wants to be taller, to an evil demon king, to the proud and arrogant prince of Goku's race that can crush Goku and his friends with ease, to the ruler of the galaxies that ''commanded'' said prince, to a genetic amalgam created from various good and bad guys including said ruler, and the... what can probably be called abomination Majin Buu, who destroys planets and people for the hell of it. SerialEscalation has made it so the series is widely known for parody-level absurd power levels, where you could practically sneeze and destroy a planet, but put it back almost as easily. It's ''really'' not what Mr. Toriyama was going for back in the beginning...



* ''OnePiece'' arguably comes with Plot Leveling built in. We start in the East Blue, the weakest of the four main seas. Then move up to the Grand Line, which lives up to its hype of being difficult to sail and survive. Finally, the sailors who travel across the Grand Line's second half, the New World, refer to the first half as "Paradise" out of comparison to the New World.

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* ''OnePiece'' arguably ''OnePiece'' comes with Plot Leveling built in. We start in the East Blue, the weakest of the four main seas. Then move up to the Grand Line, which lives up to its hype of being difficult to sail and survive. Finally, the sailors who travel across the Grand Line's second half, the New World, refer to the first half as "Paradise" out of comparison to the New World.
21st Sep '15 7:20:58 PM EcliptorCalrissian
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* One could argue this is what ultimately crippled ''{{Dragonball}} Z''. We go from a military commander who wants to be taller, to an evil demon king, to the proud and arrogant prince of Goku's race that can crush Goku and his friends with ease, to the ruler of the galaxies that ''commanded'' said prince, to a genetic amalgam created from various good and bad guys including said ruler, and the... what can probably be called abomination Majin Buu, who destroys planets and people for the hell of it.

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* One could argue this is what ultimately crippled ''{{Dragonball}} Z''. We go from a military commander who wants to be taller, to an evil demon king, to the proud and arrogant prince of Goku's race that can crush Goku and his friends with ease, to the ruler of the galaxies that ''commanded'' said prince, to a genetic amalgam created from various good and bad guys including said ruler, and the... what can probably be called abomination Majin Buu, who destroys planets and people for the hell of it. SerialEscalation has made it so the series is widely known for parody-level absurd power levels, where you could practically sneeze and destroy a planet, but put it back almost as easily. It's ''really'' not what Mr. Toriyama was going for back in the beginning...
11th Sep '15 6:16:16 PM starofjusticev21
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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as the tier used for book 20 was already pushing credulity.

to:

* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as the tier used for book 20 was already pushing credulity.
11th Sep '15 4:57:42 PM starofjusticev21
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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level.

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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', the first five books are all over the place, but the first twelve books ultimately formed a self-contained series that focused on dealing with the threat of the Darklords, a world-class threat that could conquer all Magnamund if not stopped. After this, the Grand Master series had to scale up from that, so they included [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands a third tier of Kai powers that had never been heard of before]] and made use of [[BiggerBad Naar]], the god of darkness [[TheManBehindTheMan who was behind the Darklords]], using minions who made the Darklords look like chumps and yet hadn't taken any part in the Darklords' ambition. After the Grand Master saga was completed and Lone Wolf became the Supreme Master, the game reversed course. Instead of creating [[SerialEscalation a fourth power tier]], it had [[ChangingOfTheGuard the player take on the role of one of Lone Wolf's apprentices]], who had Grand Master abilities (and a few new ones) but didn't actually deal with stuff on the Supreme Master's level. Forgivable, though, as the tier used for book 20 was already pushing credulity.
7th Sep '15 11:08:16 AM nombretomado
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** There was one significant attempt to avert this: the [[NewJediOrder Yhuuzan Vong]], an invading extra-galactic species with some pretty bizarre philosophy/theology and complete absence from the Force. [[BrokenBase No one agrees on how successful this was]].

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** There was one significant attempt to avert this: the [[NewJediOrder [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yhuuzan Vong]], an invading extra-galactic species with some pretty bizarre philosophy/theology and complete absence from the Force. [[BrokenBase No one agrees on how successful this was]].
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