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** ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice'': Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.



** ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice'': Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.

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** ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice'': ''Film/ForYourEyesOnly'': Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact Luigi Ferrara in line for a ski-lift.
** ''Film/LicenceToKill'': Bond meets Pam Bouvier
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** ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''. JamesBond is scheduled to meet with BondGirl Andrea Anders at a boxing venue so she can give him the Solex Agitator. When he gets there he finds her dead - murdered by Scaramanga.
** ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice''. Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.

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** ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''. ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun'': JamesBond is scheduled to meet with BondGirl Andrea Anders at a boxing venue so she can give him the Solex Agitator. When he gets there he finds her dead - murdered by Scaramanga.
** ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice''. ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice'': Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.match.
** ''Film/{{Skyfall}}'': Bond meets with Q at an art museum.
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* A favourite tactic of [[TheBourneTrilogy Jason Bourne]] who typically scouts out the area first and uses this to his advantage if his contact has been followed.

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* A favourite tactic of [[TheBourneTrilogy [[Film/TheBourneSeries Jason Bourne]] who typically scouts out the area first and uses this to his advantage if his contact has been followed.
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* Discussed in ''HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. Harry, Hermione and Ron have a secret meeting in a public location, but choose the most quiet area in the room to prevent anyone spying on them- this fails horribly and their plans are exposed. They are later told they should have chosen the loudest and noisiest place, because while they could never know if someone was ''watching'' them, in a noisy crowded place any spies would have trouble ''hearing'' them.

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* Discussed in ''HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. Harry, Hermione and Ron have a secret meeting in a public location, but choose the most quiet area in less-frequented Hog's Head over the room to prevent anyone spying on them- this fails horribly Three Broomsticks. Both the Order and their plans are exposed. They are later told they Umbridge learn what they're doing, making things that much harder. Sirius tells them should have chosen the loudest and noisiest place, Three Broomsticks, because while they could never know if someone was ''watching'' them, in a noisy crowded place any spies would have trouble ''hearing'' them.

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* Drug deals in ''BreakingBad'' take place in public places, but for another reason in addition to secrecy: if negotiations go badly, people are less likely to shoot each other in public in broad daylight. Walt, in the first drug deal he participates in, sets it in an abandoned junkyard because [[TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs that's where drug deals take place in the movies]].

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* Drug deals in ''BreakingBad'' ''Series/BreakingBad'' take place in public places, but for another reason in addition to secrecy: if negotiations go badly, people are less likely to shoot each other in public in broad daylight. Walt, in the first drug deal he participates in, sets it in an abandoned junkyard because [[TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs that's where drug deals take place in the movies]].
-->'''Jesse:''' This, this is like a non-criminal's idea of a meeting place. This is like, oh I saw this in a movie, look at me.
-->'''Tuco:''' What are we doing way the hell out here? What, did they close the mall or something?
-->'''Jesse:''' (meaningful look)

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* Also discussed in ''An H-Bomb for Alice'' by Ian Stewart when the British protagonist meets his ASIO counterpart in a noisy Australian pub. When he worries that someone might overhear them, the ASIO agent points out a young couple (each from rival political parties), and a businessman meeting with a trade unionist, and suggests that they may also be making an illicit deal, or just sharing a friendly drink, but it's impossible to tell.
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* In one episode of ''BurnNotice'', Michael and Fiona meet with a particularly GenreSavvy Mark of the Week in a hot tub at a public pool, which has the added benefit of making it more difficult for someone to wear a wire.
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Paradoxically, the best way to hide a secret meeting is often to hold it somewhere extremely public. Locations like this can be selected to be unpredictable to anyone who you might want to avoid, are almost certainly bug-free, and can provide a layer of plausible deniability when the people in question aren't supposed to be meeting each other at all.

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Paradoxically, [[HiddenInPlainSight the best way to hide a secret meeting is often to hold it somewhere extremely public.public]]. Locations like this can be selected to be unpredictable to anyone who you might want to avoid, are almost certainly bug-free, and can provide a layer of plausible deniability when the people in question aren't supposed to be meeting each other at all.
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* The first episode of ''[[GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex]]'' features two park bench meetings between Chief Aramaki and an associate in another government branch who needs his help.

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* The first episode of ''[[GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex]]'' ''GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'' features two park bench meetings between Chief Aramaki and an associate in another government branch who needs his help.
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* The first episode of ''[[GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex]]'' features two park bench meetings between Chief Aramaki and an associate in another government branch who needs his help.
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* In ''Literature/PayMeBug'', getting [[spoiler:Meaghan Sythe]] out of [[spoiler:Ur Voys]] requires a meeting in a bar. Unfortunately, she is seen there by other bar patrons, which allows Mavis' agents to connect her with the ''Fool's Errand''. Since they already suspect her of being part of the [[TheHeist theft]] of the [[MacGuffin artefact]], they naturally go after her, which sets up the [[StandardStarshipScuffle climactic battle]].
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* ''{{Shadowrun}}''.''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}''.
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[[caption-width-right:350:Nobody will notice us here!]]

Paradoxically, the best way to hide a secret meeting is often to hold it somewhere extremely public. Locations like this can be selected to be unpredictable to anyone who you might want to avoid, are almost certainly bug-free, and can provide a layer of plausible deniability when the people in question aren't supposed to be meeting each other at all.

The classic situation where this occurs is meetings between members of two different secret government agencies; in that case they're not only dodging eavesdroppers, they're also making it more difficult for either agency's goons to do anything untoward.

Stock locations for this kind of meeting include:
* A park bench.
* On the banks of a river, downstream from a bridge.
* In a noisy Italian restaurant.

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[[caption-width-right:350:Nobody will notice us here!]]

here!]]

Paradoxically, the best way to hide a secret meeting is often to hold it somewhere extremely public. Locations like this can be selected to be unpredictable to anyone who you might want to avoid, are almost certainly bug-free, and can provide a layer of plausible deniability when the people in question aren't supposed to be meeting each other at all.

all.

The classic situation where this occurs is meetings between members of two different secret government agencies; in that case they're not only dodging eavesdroppers, they're also making it more difficult for either agency's goons to do anything untoward.

untoward.

Stock locations for this kind of meeting include:
include:
* A park bench.
bench.
* On the banks of a river, downstream from a bridge.
bridge.
* In a noisy Italian restaurant.
restaurant.



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* In ''Anime/TheBigO'', Roger always met with his street informant Big Ear in a bar.
* There's an interesting example of this in ''Manga/DeathNote''. Misa is trying to find Light, so she sends a diary page to the task force saying that they should "show off their notebooks in Aoyama" on a certain day. On that day, Light goes to Aoyama with Matsuda and meets friends whom he hangs out with expecting to perform this trope. Misa, however, finds him first and leaves before he can see her.

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* {{Lampshaded}} in ''HotShots'', where a conspirator mentions that he finds public places to be the ''best'' place to have secret meetings. While they're at a boxing match.
* Parodied in the made-for-TV movie ''Two on a Bench'', which is about two people who strike up a conversation on a park bench and are consequently MistakenForSpies.
* Film/JamesBond
** ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''. JamesBond is scheduled to meet with BondGirl Andrea Anders at a boxing venue so she can give him the Solex Agitator. When he gets there he finds her dead - murdered by Scaramanga.
** ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice''. Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.
* In ''FatalInstinct'', a woman meets with her lover in a park to plot the death of her husband.
* In ''TheDeparted'', whenever state police [[MartinSheen Queenan]] and [[MarkWahlberg Dignam]] need to chat with [[LeonardoDiCaprio Costigan]], their mole in the mob, they meet him in some park/riverbank area. This worries Costigan, because if anyone sees him with them, he's pretty much dead.

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{{Manga}}]]
* In ''Anime/TheBigO'', Roger always met with his street informant Big Ear in a bar.
bar.
* There's an interesting example of this in ''Manga/DeathNote''. Misa is trying to find Light, so she sends a diary page to the task force saying that they should "show off their notebooks in Aoyama" on a certain day. On that day, Light goes to Aoyama with Matsuda and meets friends whom he hangs out with expecting to perform this trope. Misa, however, finds him first and leaves before he can see her.

her.

[[AC:Film -- Live Action]]
Action]]
* {{Lampshaded}} in ''HotShots'', where a conspirator mentions that he finds public places to be the ''best'' place to have secret meetings. While they're at a boxing match.
match.
* Parodied in the made-for-TV movie ''Two on a Bench'', which is about two people who strike up a conversation on a park bench and are consequently MistakenForSpies.
MistakenForSpies.
* Film/JamesBond
Film/JamesBond
** ''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''. JamesBond is scheduled to meet with BondGirl Andrea Anders at a boxing venue so she can give him the Solex Agitator. When he gets there he finds her dead - murdered by Scaramanga.
Scaramanga.
** ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice''. Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.
match.
* In ''FatalInstinct'', a woman meets with her lover in a park to plot the death of her husband.
husband.
* In ''TheDeparted'', whenever state police [[MartinSheen Queenan]] and [[MarkWahlberg Dignam]] need to chat with [[LeonardoDiCaprio Costigan]], their mole in the mob, they meet him in some park/riverbank area. This worries Costigan, because if anyone sees him with them, he's pretty much dead.



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* In ''TheSandbaggers'', most of Burnside's meetings with his American counterpart Jeff Ross happen while strolling in the park.
* ''{{Stargate SG-1}}'' has a few examples.
** General Hammond has a park meeting with one of his contacts who's so paranoid that he refuses to talk even while they're sitting on a park bench; they have to be actually walking before he'll say anything.
** Sam and her NID contact Malcolm Barrett first meet in his office, where he vocally denies having any interest in what she has to say while passing him a note that says to meet in the park instead.

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[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
* In ''TheSandbaggers'', most of Burnside's meetings with his American counterpart Jeff Ross happen while strolling in the park.
park.
* ''{{Stargate SG-1}}'' has a few examples.
examples.
** General Hammond has a park meeting with one of his contacts who's so paranoid that he refuses to talk even while they're sitting on a park bench; they have to be actually walking before he'll say anything.
anything.
** Sam and her NID contact Malcolm Barrett first meet in his office, where he vocally denies having any interest in what she has to say while passing him a note that says to meet in the park instead.



* In "[[http://abitoffryandlaurie.co.uk/sketches/spies_five Spies Five]]", an unaired sketch from ''ABitOfFryAndLaurie'', Tony and Control meet on a park bench because there's a mole in their department.
* Subverted in ''Series/ThirtyRock''. Jack meets Lenny, a private investigator played by SteveBuscemi, along the banks of the river, in view of the Queensborough Bridge. Lenny thanks Jack for driving out there, Jack says he doesn't mind because discretion is important. Lenny replies "Also, my gym is right over there."
* ''{{Spooks}}'': In seasons one and two, the characters frequently have meetings on the benches across from the Houses of Parliament.

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* In "[[http://abitoffryandlaurie.co.uk/sketches/spies_five Spies Five]]", an unaired sketch from ''ABitOfFryAndLaurie'', Tony and Control meet on a park bench because there's a mole in their department.
department.
* Subverted in ''Series/ThirtyRock''. Jack meets Lenny, a private investigator played by SteveBuscemi, along the banks of the river, in view of the Queensborough Bridge. Lenny thanks Jack for driving out there, Jack says he doesn't mind because discretion is important. Lenny replies "Also, my gym is right over there."
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* ''{{Spooks}}'': In seasons one and two, the characters frequently have meetings on the benches across from the Houses of Parliament.



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* ''{{Shadowrun}}''.
** In ''The Neo-Anarchists' Guide to Real Life'' it was recommended that runners meet with their Mr. Johnson (employer) at a public place such as a [=McHugh=]'s restaurant.
** Many of the adventures published for the game had runners meeting with their Mr. Johnson in public places such as restaurants, bars and nightclubs.

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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* ''{{Shadowrun}}''.
''{{Shadowrun}}''.
** In ''The Neo-Anarchists' Guide to Real Life'' it was recommended that runners meet with their Mr. Johnson (employer) at a public place such as a [=McHugh=]'s restaurant.
restaurant.
** Many of the adventures published for the game had runners meeting with their Mr. Johnson in public places such as restaurants, bars and nightclubs.

[[AC:VideoGames]]
nightclubs.

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* In the intro to ''{{Civilization}} IV'''s expansion, an image of Lincoln giving the Gettysburg address {{Match Cut}}s to his memorial, where two spies are passing along photos of Soviet missile sites.

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer is forced into working for the feds he meets his handler in a public park.

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* In the intro to ''{{Civilization}} ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}} IV'''s expansion, an image of Lincoln giving the Gettysburg address {{Match Cut}}s to his memorial, where two spies are passing along photos of Soviet missile sites.

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer is forced into working for the feds he meets his handler in a public park.
park.
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* Discussed in ''HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. Harry, Hermione and Ron have a secret meeting in a public location, but choose the most quiet area in the room to prevent anyone spying on them- this fails horribly and their plans are exposed. They are later told they should have chosen the loudest and noisiest place, because while they could never know if someone was ''watching'' them, in a noisy crowded place any spies would have trouble ''hearing'' them.
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* JamesBond
** ''TheManWithTheGoldenGun''. JamesBond is scheduled to meet with BondGirl Andrea Anders at a boxing venue so she can give him the Solex Agitator. When he gets there he finds her dead - murdered by Scaramanga.
** ''YouOnlyLiveTwice''. Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.

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* JamesBond
Film/JamesBond
** ''TheManWithTheGoldenGun''.''Film/TheManWithTheGoldenGun''. JamesBond is scheduled to meet with BondGirl Andrea Anders at a boxing venue so she can give him the Solex Agitator. When he gets there he finds her dead - murdered by Scaramanga.
** ''YouOnlyLiveTwice''.''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice''. Bond meets with his Japanese Secret Service contact at a sumo match.
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* There's an interesting example of this in ''DeathNote''. Misa is trying to find Light, so she sends a diary page to the task force saying that they should "show off their notebooks in Aoyama" on a certain day. On that day, Light goes to Aoyama with Matsuda and meets friends whom he hangs out with expecting to perform this trope. Misa, however, finds him first and leaves before he can see her.

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* There's an interesting example of this in ''DeathNote''.''Manga/DeathNote''. Misa is trying to find Light, so she sends a diary page to the task force saying that they should "show off their notebooks in Aoyama" on a certain day. On that day, Light goes to Aoyama with Matsuda and meets friends whom he hangs out with expecting to perform this trope. Misa, however, finds him first and leaves before he can see her.
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* Subverted in ''ThirtyRock''. Jack meets Lenny, a private investigator played by SteveBuscemi, along the banks of the river, in view of the Queensborough Bridge. Lenny thanks Jack for driving out there, Jack says he doesn't mind because discretion is important. Lenny replies "Also, my gym is right over there."

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* Subverted in ''ThirtyRock''.''Series/ThirtyRock''. Jack meets Lenny, a private investigator played by SteveBuscemi, along the banks of the river, in view of the Queensborough Bridge. Lenny thanks Jack for driving out there, Jack says he doesn't mind because discretion is important. Lenny replies "Also, my gym is right over there."
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* Spies meet contacts in parks because they're difficult to bug.

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* Spies meet contacts in parks because they're difficult to bug.bug.
** Or sometimes in coffee shops.
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* A favourite tactic of [[TheBourneTrilogy Jason Bourne]] who typically scouts out the area first and uses this to his advantage if his contact has been followed.
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* In ''TheBigO'', Roger always met with his street informant Big Ear in a bar.

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* In ''TheBigO'', ''Anime/TheBigO'', Roger always met with his street informant Big Ear in a bar.
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* In the intro to ''{{Civilization}} IV'''s expansion, an image of Lincoln giving the Gettysburg address {{Match Cut}}s to his monument, where two spies are passing along photos of Soviet missile sites.

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* In the intro to ''{{Civilization}} IV'''s expansion, an image of Lincoln giving the Gettysburg address {{Match Cut}}s to his monument, memorial, where two spies are passing along photos of Soviet missile sites.
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* In the intro to ''{{Civilization}} IV'''s expansion, an image of Lincoln giving the Gettysburg address {{Match Cut}}s to his monument, where two spies are passing along photos of Soviet missile sites.
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* ''TheSimpsons'': When Homer is forced into working for the feds he meets his handler in a public park.

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* ''TheSimpsons'': ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When Homer is forced into working for the feds he meets his handler in a public park.
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* Drug deals in ''BreakingBad'' take place in public places, but for another reason in addition to secrecy: if negotiations go badly, people are less likely to be shot in public in broad daylight. Walt, in the first drug deal he participates in, sets it in an abandoned junkyard because [[TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs that's where drug deals take place in the movies]].

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* Drug deals in ''BreakingBad'' take place in public places, but for another reason in addition to secrecy: if negotiations go badly, people are less likely to be shot shoot each other in public in broad daylight. Walt, in the first drug deal he participates in, sets it in an abandoned junkyard because [[TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs that's where drug deals take place in the movies]].
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* Drug deals in ''BreakingBad'' take place in public places, but for another reason in addition to secrecy: if negotiations go badly, people are less likely to be shot in public in broad daylight. Walt, in the first drug deal he participates in, sets it in an abandoned junkyard because [[TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs that's where drug deals take place in the movies]].
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* In ''StargateAtlantis'', Sheppard meets his ex-wife -- who works for the Department of Homeland Security -- on a park bench, in order to ask her to illegally dig up some classified information for him.
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Of course, while this kind of meeting decreases the odds of being noticed by the specific people you're trying to avoid, it substantially increases the odds that your conversation will be overheard by random passers-by. This is generally [[PoseOfSilence glossed over]], though sometimes it's nodded at by selecting an exceptionally loud meeting place, or by having the characters speak in TroubleEntendre.

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Of course, while this kind of meeting decreases the odds of being noticed by the specific people you're trying to avoid, it substantially increases the odds that your conversation will be overheard by random passers-by. This is generally [[PoseOfSilence glossed over]], though sometimes it's nodded at by selecting an exceptionally loud meeting place, or by having the characters speak in TroubleEntendre.some way that appears innocuous: TroubleEntendre, TalkingThroughTechnique, SpySpeak, or the like.
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Of course, while this kind of meeting decreases the odds of being noticed by the specific people you're trying to avoid, it substantially increases the odds that your conversation will be overheard by random passers-by. This is generally [[PoseOfSilence glossed over]], though sometimes it's nodded at by selecting an exceptionally loud meeting place.

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Of course, while this kind of meeting decreases the odds of being noticed by the specific people you're trying to avoid, it substantially increases the odds that your conversation will be overheard by random passers-by. This is generally [[PoseOfSilence glossed over]], though sometimes it's nodded at by selecting an exceptionally loud meeting place. place, or by having the characters speak in TroubleEntendre.

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