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11th Jan '17 8:46:52 AM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TotalWar'':
** In ''VideoGame/RomeTotalWar'', Carthage. Historically, Carthage at their height dominated the western Mediterranean and was an equal of the Roman Republic militarily and economically. The three Punic Wars fought between the two nations were the largest wars that had ever taken place at the time and lasted over a century. Carthaginian forces under Hannibal threatened the heart of Rome in a way no other outside force would for hundreds of years after. In-game, however, Carthage is significantly inferior to the Roman forces in just about every way. Only Carthage's highest-tier units like the Sacred Band heavy infantry beat out their Roman equivalents, and it's rather rare for Carthage to last long enough in the campaign to recruit them in significant numbers. Carthage is also lacking archer units of any sort (though this appears to be due to a bug, as they exist in the game files which can be easily modded to add them into the game). Essentially, if you're hoping to rewrite history by leading Carthage to victory over Rome, be prepared for a much tougher task than you might expect.
** In ''VideoGame/ThirdAgeTotalWar'', several factions qualify, but perhaps most egregiously, Gondor. Minas Tirith doesn't even have a grain exchange, and there is no place in Gondor that begins the game with the ability to train it's primary troops, or even a standing army of any kind! The closest is a bunch of scattered militias, which are capable but not exactly what you'd expect from one of the greatest kingdoms of Middle Earth, a shadow of it's former glory or not.
13th Dec '16 3:45:37 PM agigabyte
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** ''VideoGame/{{XCOMEnemyUnknown}} and its sequel avert this. Your soldiers have a standard 70% Chance to hit, and generally good chances to avoid panicking. The former is amazing by real life standards and the latter is good as well, considering that the game takes place in an alien invasion.
25th Nov '16 12:22:42 PM Morgenthaler
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** Sephiroth, for that matter, massively averts this when he is briefly on your team for a flashback sequence (where "SOLDIER First Class" Cloud is yet weaker still); he is literally invincible, has high-level magic attacks that can destroy entire teams of enemies with ease, and is strong enough to kill a dragon in two hits (although at higher levels, you can kill those dragons in one). He is so powerful that you don't actually control him at all- he attacks on his own, and he's there partly to showcase what a {{Badass}} he is, and partly just to show you up. He will sometimes kill ''every'' on-screen enemy before you have a chance to do ''anything''.

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** Sephiroth, for that matter, massively averts this when he is briefly on your team for a flashback sequence (where "SOLDIER First Class" Cloud is yet weaker still); he is literally invincible, has high-level magic attacks that can destroy entire teams of enemies with ease, and is strong enough to kill a dragon in two hits (although at higher levels, you can kill those dragons in one). He is so powerful that you don't actually control him at all- he attacks on his own, and he's there partly to showcase what a {{Badass}} badass he is, and partly just to show you up. He will sometimes kill ''every'' on-screen enemy before you have a chance to do ''anything''.
26th Oct '16 4:12:33 AM Kazmahu
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** Then this gets completely defied by the Greil Mercenaries when they make their grand return in ''Radiant Dawn''. FamedInStory and the heroes of the previous game, they'd be a disappointment if they were anything less that absolute badasses more powerful than any other unit you have... so they're absolute badasses more powerful than any other unit you have. Despite the enemies scaling appropriately, the Greil Mercenaries have a ''much'' easier time with combat than any of the previous groups you control, and their chapters are made difficult mostly by virtue of [[EscortMission escortees]] or [[TimedMission time limits]]. Even once perspective shifts back to the other teams and they get enough experience to reach the same level, the Dawn Brigade and Royal Knights will struggle to outclass the Greil Mercenaries.
21st Oct '16 11:44:47 AM DuneTheWanderer
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* VideoGame/GodEater 2: Rage Burst introduces Livie, a remarkably experienced God Eater who is used as a one-woman kill squad whenever a God Eater goes missing in the field. She can sync up with ANY God Arc, something exclusive to her and her alone due to her unique biology. But when she is forced onto your party, she has next to no Personal Abilities and the ones she has are inefficient and not that good at keeping herself alive in combat.
14th Oct '16 5:00:33 AM chan_jkh
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* In ''Franchise/Chaos Rings'' III. Al is introduced as a high ranking explorer. When he's brought into the party he's not much stronger than the rest of the team. One of the other members in the party actually calls him out on this, and he responds that he's high ranking because of his experience, not raw power.

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* In ''Franchise/Chaos Rings'' ''Franchise/ChaosRings'' III. Al is introduced as a high ranking explorer. When he's brought into the party he's not much stronger than the rest of the team. One of the other members in the party actually calls him out on this, and he responds that he's high ranking because of his experience, not raw power.
14th Oct '16 5:00:13 AM chan_jkh
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* In ''Franchise / Chaos Rings'' III. Al is introduced as a high ranking explorer. When he's brought into the party he's not much stronger than the rest of the team. One of the other members in the party actually calls him out on this, and he responds that he's high ranking because of his experience, not raw power.

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* In ''Franchise / Chaos ''Franchise/Chaos Rings'' III. Al is introduced as a high ranking explorer. When he's brought into the party he's not much stronger than the rest of the team. One of the other members in the party actually calls him out on this, and he responds that he's high ranking because of his experience, not raw power.
14th Oct '16 4:59:51 AM chan_jkh
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* In ''Franchise / Chaos Rings'' III. Al is introduced as a high ranking explorer. When he's brought into the party he's not much stronger than the rest of the team. One of the other members in the party actually calls him out on this, and he responds that he's high ranking because of his experience, not raw power.
16th Aug '16 9:39:03 AM htuttle
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* ''VideoGame/{{X-COM}}'' is infamous for this. Your troops, [[InformedAbility supposedly drawn from the best of Earth's special forces]], are pathetic chumps who stormtroopers could give a run for their money. Of course, one could argue that the aliens are just that good at their job...

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* ''VideoGame/{{X-COM}}'' ''VideoGame/{{XCOM}}'' is infamous for this. Your troops, [[InformedAbility supposedly drawn from the best of Earth's special forces]], are pathetic chumps who stormtroopers could give a run for their money. Of course, one could argue that the aliens are just that good at their job... if your soldiers didn't constantly panic and drop their weapons.
26th Jul '16 10:43:46 PM Gingerkitteh
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* Continuing with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'', we have the character Beatrix. Being the general of an entire army, she can take quite a few hits from the party before she falls, [[spoiler: and in fact [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose can't be defeated at all]]]]. However, in the short time you fight alongside her, she is just about as strong as just any other party member, and it shouldn't take more than a few hits to K.O. her. Of course; she doesn't have as much health as she appeared to have .
** Though this is in part due to a glitch; her HP, stats and '''abilities''' are identical to when she's a foe (save for the plot-convinience version of stock break she uses to end the battle), save a glitch in her two strongest attacks mean they don't register as special attacks rather than regular attacks. thus going from awesome to fail...
** However, Steiner can actually learn Beatrix's moves - including [[ThatOneMove Shock]] (Which was pretty much an instant-kill attack). By the time you get Shock, it's actually ''stronger'' in your hands than when ''Beatrix'' uses it due to mixture of the aforementioned glitch as well as the fact that Steiner's stats will get higher.

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* Continuing with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'', we have the character Beatrix. Being the general of an entire army, she can take quite a few hits from the party before she falls, [[spoiler: and in fact [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose can't be defeated at all]]]]. However, in the short time you fight alongside her, she is just about as strong as just any other party member, and it shouldn't take more than a few hits to K.O. her. Of course; she doesn't have as much health as she appeared to have .have.
** Though this is in part due to a glitch; her HP, stats and '''abilities''' are identical to when she's a foe (save for the plot-convinience plot-convenient version of stock break Stock Break she uses to end the battle), save a battle). A glitch in her two strongest attacks mean they don't register as special attacks rather than regular attacks. thus going from awesome to fail...
attacks, greatly reducing her usefulness.
** However, Steiner can actually learn Beatrix's moves - including [[ThatOneMove Shock]] (Which (which was pretty much an instant-kill attack). By the time you get Shock, it's actually ''stronger'' in your hands than when ''Beatrix'' uses it due to mixture of the aforementioned glitch as well as the fact that Steiner's stats will get higher.
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