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16th Jul '16 5:23:07 AM Sabrewing
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* In ''VideoGame/PhantasyStarI'', your ally Odin has a reputation as a "man of great strength." He's weaker than all your other party members, including the SquishyWizard.

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* In ''VideoGame/PhantasyStarI'', your ally Odin has a reputation as a "man of great strength." He's weaker than all your other party members, including the SquishyWizard.SquishyWizard, although he ''can'' use the [[InfinityPlusOneSword Laser Gun]].
13th Jul '16 1:21:11 AM Morgenthaler
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** Similarly, you meet [[RedHeadedHero Jake]] [[CoolShades Armitage]] from the SNES game. You see, the problem is that by the end of the SNES game, Jake was a {{Badass}} decker-shaman that ''fought a Great Dragon and won''. Here, he's only a bit more powerful than your fresh-out-the-new-game-screen character, and he's just a mage. When you meet him again much later he's still not much better than you'll be then.

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** Similarly, you meet [[RedHeadedHero Jake]] [[CoolShades Jake Armitage]] from the SNES game. You see, the problem is that by the end of the SNES game, Jake was a {{Badass}} badass decker-shaman that ''fought a Great Dragon and won''. Here, he's only a bit more powerful than your fresh-out-the-new-game-screen character, and he's just a mage. When you meet him again much later he's still not much better than you'll be then.
4th Jul '16 12:59:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* At Ostagar in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', it takes an ogre and several waves of darkspawn forces to finish [[TheObiWan Duncan]] off in a cutscene. In the Fade sequence, it takes you a couple of minutes at most (to kill Duncan). Justified in that [[spoiler:it's not really him, but a demon guarding the main boss of the level]].

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* At Ostagar in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', it takes an ogre and several waves of darkspawn forces to finish [[TheObiWan Duncan]] Duncan off in a cutscene. In the Fade sequence, it takes you a couple of minutes at most (to kill Duncan). Justified in that [[spoiler:it's not really him, but a demon guarding the main boss of the level]].
5th Jun '16 3:00:27 PM Shishkahuben
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** The penultimate chapter in 7, Victory Or Death, introduces Renault, a mysterious, high-level Bishop with rare equipment and the ability to heal numerous units at once - initially, he may be seen as a godsend thanks to the [[RespawningEnemies continuous stream of high-level, dangerous enemies]] present in the level. However, his magical abilities are absolutely atrocious, implied through [[RelationshipValues support conversations]] to be because Renault was a former mercenary who renounced his violent ways and embraced religion as [[TheAtoner penance.]] The process of discovering this, unfortunately, requires bringing a ''seriously'' underpowered character into [[BossRush the most dangerous part of the game.]]
13th Mar '16 6:59:35 PM Gallimaufry
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* Ulfric Stormcloak in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', should the player pursue the Imperial questline. The game practically turns Ulfric into a king-slaying, [[LoudOfWar Thu'um throwing]], MemeticBadass, if dialogue is to be believed. Yet when an Imperial-Alligned Dragonborn storms his castle, his own [[TheDragon Dragon]] is harder to kill than him. The meta reason takes this trope literally. Up until patch 1.6, all [=NPCs=] were leveled based on when the player first encounters them. And Ulfric is the 3rd character you see in the opening sequence. So, you were essentially fighting what would be a challenging enemy, ''if you were at level 1''. Even with the patch to buff his health, his outfit possesses a whopping '''7''' armor rating (the weakest item in the weakest armor set in the game gives an 8), so any decently-skilled character will wipe the floor with him. Humorously, if one uses the console to spawn Torygg (the king he murdered) and set them to attack each other, Torygg will win most of the time, even if Ulfric shouts him down.

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Ulfric Stormcloak in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', Stormcloak, should the player pursue the Imperial questline. The game practically turns Ulfric into a king-slaying, [[LoudOfWar Thu'um throwing]], MemeticBadass, if dialogue is to be believed. Yet when an Imperial-Alligned Dragonborn storms his castle, his own [[TheDragon Dragon]] is harder to kill than him. The meta reason takes this trope literally. Up until patch 1.6, all [=NPCs=] were leveled based on when the player first encounters them. And Ulfric is the 3rd character you see in the opening sequence. So, you were essentially fighting what would be a challenging enemy, ''if you were at level 1''. Even with the patch to buff his health, his outfit possesses a whopping '''7''' armor rating (the weakest item in the weakest armor set in the game gives an 8), so any decently-skilled character will wipe the floor with him. Humorously, if one uses the console to spawn Torygg (the king he murdered) and set them to attack each other, Torygg will win most of the time, even if Ulfric shouts him down.


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** Several of the Daedric artifacts are talked up as world-shakingly powerful, which they don't live up to. The Rueful Axe is described by its creator as "incredibly powerful" and gaurds will remark on how it could cut through ''gods''. While it's got good base damage, it's far from the most dangerous of its type, and its enchantment adds stamina damage, which is hardly that exciting. Similarly, the Ebony Blade is said to drive its wielders mad (hard to make that happen with the player character) and is talked up as being incredibly dangerous because it's used to kill its wielder's friends "as they smile at you". It does not have any particular extra offensive effects specifically against friendlies (other than a ritual to power it up) - and even if it did, that wouldn't be very useful since your friends are not a major threat. Every other weapon is just as good at hurting friendly targets, if that's what you want to do.
22nd Feb '16 10:29:48 AM WanderingBrowser
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* A rare TabletopGames example is Van Richten, the famous monster hunter of ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}''; Van Richten literally ''wrote the book'' on hunting monsters, with a career of adventuring and monster killing spanning decades and dozens of monsters, from vampires to mummies to werebeasts to ghosts to golems to ancient dead and worse besides. And what level is he when you meet him in the 2e adventure of "Bleak House"? A whopping ''level three''. Even considering that in the days of AD&D, levels were harder to gain, and that Van Richten lived his career by the creedo of "kill smarter, not fight harder"[[note]]he would research his targets before fighting them, allowing him to negate many of their strengths and amplify their weaknesses, so as to minimize their ability to fight him back, something he encourages in his guidebooks[[/note]], that's still distinctly underwhelming. One of the fan sourcebooks includes an array of differently leveled Van Richten's, aiming to portray him what he would have been "more realistically".
15th Feb '16 7:07:41 PM DarkastKiller
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** Adray, praised as a great magician and swordsman, Fayt absolutely destroys him in swordplay and Sophia outclasses him in magic to the point of seeming like a Goddess by comparison. Justified as she had [[spoiler: genetic engineering for that purpose]] and Fayt had been training with videogames his whole life and [[spoiler: had the destructive gene]]
16th Jan '16 12:31:30 PM ShorinBJ
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* This applies to half of the main characters in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The former guardians Lulu, Wakka, and Auron supposedly had all completed most or all of the pilgrimage, and LevelGrinding that entails, prior to the beginning of the game, but all start at effectively level 1. The monsters at the Calm Lands, which all three Guardians supposedly made it to, could have killed all three guardians with a sneeze it at the beginning of the game.

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* This applies to half of the main characters in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The former guardians Lulu, Wakka, and Auron supposedly had all completed most or all of the pilgrimage, and LevelGrinding that entails, prior to the beginning of the game, but all start at effectively level 1. The monsters at the Calm Lands, which all three Guardians supposedly made it to, could have killed all three guardians with a sneeze it at the beginning of the game.
6th Jan '16 7:25:12 PM nombretomado
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* Luna, from ''VideoGame/SoulCalibur 3'''s Chronicles of the Sword Mode, is a recurring boss from the first half of the mode who wields the titular ''SoulCalibur''. She joins 2 chapters before the end, is average level, has a class with unexceptional growth rates AND she has the ONLY moveset in the entire game without a known [[AIBreaker anti-AI move]], near required against Chronicles of the Sword's [[TheAIIsACheatingBastard cheating AI]]

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* Luna, from ''VideoGame/SoulCalibur 3'''s Chronicles of the Sword Mode, is a recurring boss from the first half of the mode who wields the titular ''SoulCalibur''.''[=SoulCalibur=]''. She joins 2 chapters before the end, is average level, has a class with unexceptional growth rates AND she has the ONLY moveset in the entire game without a known [[AIBreaker anti-AI move]], near required against Chronicles of the Sword's [[TheAIIsACheatingBastard cheating AI]]
31st Dec '15 11:39:44 PM Papaga
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*** The seventh game has a fair number of characters who avert this. Marcus, who is the greatest knight of Pherae is considered the best character in the game, Vaida, the strongest Dragon Knight of Bern is a massive MightyGlacier who trivialized basically every remaining tough chapters in the game, and Pent, who is the Legendary Mage General of Etruria manage to avert this trope to such extent, that his joining chapter involves him being a OneManArmy.

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*** The seventh game has a fair number of characters who avert this. Marcus, who despite being a "Jagen" (a pre-promote who you get very early and is very powerful at first, but is outclassed later on) manages to be solid fighter for most of the greatest knight of Pherae game. Vaida is considered the best character in the game, Vaida, the strongest Dragon Knight of Bern is a massive a MightyGlacier who trivialized basically every remaining tough chapters in the game, (even if she's a huge case of RedemptionDemotion), and Pent, who is the Legendary Mage General of Etruria manage manages to avert this trope to such extent, an extent that his joining chapter involves him being a OneManArmy.
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