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5th Dec '17 10:12:59 AM Theriocephalus
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[[caption-width-right:300:Fearsome, majestic, and...[[RecordNeedleScratch wait]], what's #5 called again?]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:Fearsome, majestic, and... [[RecordNeedleScratch wait]], what's #5 called again?]]
23rd Nov '17 11:26:48 AM AnoneMouseJr
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* ''FanFic/ThePiecesLieWhereTheyFell'': Wind Breaker is a classic griffon with the front of a bird of prey (though he's colored more like a falcon than an eagle) and the back of a lion. Griffons are also described as having two different subspecies, mountain griffons and the smaller valley griffons, Wind Breaker being the latter type.
18th Oct '17 6:51:24 PM Theriocephalus
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** While [[https://magiccards.info/hou/en/122.html Majestic Myriarch]], from ''Hour of Devastation'', is technically typed as a chimera rather than a griffin, its appearance -- a lion with the head of a raptorial bird and a pair of translucent energy wings -- still gives across the impression of a griffon. With a cobra for a tail.
16th Oct '17 12:34:15 PM ElSquibbonator
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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E5GriffonTheBrushOff Griffon the Brush-off]]" has Rainbow Dash's friend from flight school, Gilda the Griffon. It turns out she's a BitchInSheepsClothing who has an aversion to all of the ponies except Rainbow Dash for being "uncool". [[GeniusBonus Remember what was said in the introduction, about how griffins were said to be ''hostile toward horses''?]]

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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E5GriffonTheBrushOff Griffon the Brush-off]]" has Rainbow Dash's friend from flight school, Gilda the Griffon. It turns out she's a BitchInSheepsClothing who has an aversion to all of the ponies except Rainbow Dash for being "uncool". [[GeniusBonus Remember what was said in the introduction, about how griffins were said to be ''hostile hostile toward horses''?]]horses?]]
16th Oct '17 12:32:54 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a few, but since [[AllThereInTheManual their native country is on a different hemisphere]] they're generally not very familiar to most of the pony citizens. Biologically, they're Classical Griffons without the "ears". No horse-eating Griffons here.
** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E5GriffonTheBrushOff Griffon the Brush-off]]" has Rainbow Dash's friend from flight school, Gilda the Griffon. It turns out she's a BitchInSheepsClothing who has an aversion to all of the ponies except Rainbow Dash for being "uncool", so at least at some level maintaining an aversion to horses. Or maybe she's just possessive, who knows?

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a few, but since [[AllThereInTheManual their native country is on a different hemisphere]] they're generally not very familiar to most of the pony citizens. Biologically, they're Classical Griffons without the "ears". No horse-eating Griffons here.\n
** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E5GriffonTheBrushOff Griffon the Brush-off]]" has Rainbow Dash's friend from flight school, Gilda the Griffon. It turns out she's a BitchInSheepsClothing who has an aversion to all of the ponies except Rainbow Dash for being "uncool", so at least at some level maintaining an aversion "uncool". [[GeniusBonus Remember what was said in the introduction, about how griffins were said to horses. Or maybe she's just possessive, who knows?be ''hostile toward horses''?]]
15th Oct '17 7:52:02 PM Theriocephalus
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* The '''Hippogriff''', which resembles a gryphon with the body and back limbs of a horse[[labelnote:*]]Nothing to do with hippopotamuses, "hippo" is Greek for "horse" AndNowYouKnow[[/labelnote]] instead of a lion, was made newly popular by Creator/JKRowling--but was otherwise already well established in [[UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance Renaissance lore]] due to its use in Ludovico Ariosto's epic ''Orlando Furioso''. It seems originally to have been meant as an extravagant joke, since "to breed gryphons with horses" was used as a metaphor for an impossible task (since gryphons '''ate''' horses). This meant its appearance was sort of a variant of CueTheFlyingPigs. Nowadays, though, it's become synonymous with [[Franchise/HarryPotter certain teenage wizards]]. Other ungulates might be used instead of horses.

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* The '''Hippogriff''', which resembles a gryphon with the body and back limbs of a horse[[labelnote:*]]Nothing to do with hippopotamuses, "hippo" is Greek for "horse" AndNowYouKnow[[/labelnote]] instead of a lion, was made newly popular by Creator/JKRowling--but Creator/JKRowling, but was otherwise already well established in [[UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance Renaissance lore]] due to its use in Ludovico Ariosto's epic ''Orlando Furioso''.Furioso''[[labelnote:*]]Hippogriffs appear or are mentioned sporadically in works before the ''Orlando'', but both their popularity and their nature and appearance in later works are very much due to their appearance in Ariosto's epic[[/labelnote]]. It seems originally to have been meant as an extravagant joke, since "to breed gryphons with horses" was used as a metaphor for an impossible task (since gryphons '''ate''' horses). This meant its appearance was sort of a variant of CueTheFlyingPigs. Nowadays, though, it's become synonymous with [[Franchise/HarryPotter certain teenage wizards]]. Other ungulates might be used instead of horses.
14th Oct '17 2:59:45 PM Theriocephalus
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** [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 The movie]] also includes hippogriffs, which appear to be a totally separate species. They're referred to as half pony and half eagle and tend towards light body colors and crests of colorful feathers, and their nature as chimeric creatures is less visibly obvious than the griffons' is, as their bird and mammal parts are the same color and don't stand out much against each other. [[spoiler:They used to live on the island of Mt. Aris in the far south, but when the Storm King rose to power their queen used the power of an enchanted pearl to transform them into [[OurMermaidsAreDifferent seaponies]], so that they could hide under the sea where they would be safe.]]

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** [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 The movie]] also includes hippogriffs, which appear to be a totally separate species. They're referred to as half pony and half eagle and tend towards light body colors and crests of colorful feathers, and their feathers. Their nature as chimeric creatures is less visibly obvious than the griffons' is, as their bird and mammal parts are the same color and don't stand out much against each other. [[spoiler:They used to live on the island of Mt. Aris in the far south, but when the Storm King rose to power their queen used the power of an enchanted pearl to transform them into [[OurMermaidsAreDifferent seaponies]], so that they could hide under the sea where they would be safe.]]
14th Oct '17 2:58:34 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a few, but since [[AllThereInTheManual their native country is on a different hemisphere]] they're generally not very familiar to most of the pony citizens. Biologically, they're Classical Griffons without the "ears". No horse eating Griffons here, or at least not any ''more''. Many fan works postulate that relations with Equestria were not always so cordial, and this has yet to be definitively {{Jossed}}.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a few, but since [[AllThereInTheManual their native country is on a different hemisphere]] they're generally not very familiar to most of the pony citizens. Biologically, they're Classical Griffons without the "ears". No horse eating horse-eating Griffons here, or at least not any ''more''. Many fan works postulate that relations with Equestria were not always so cordial, and this has yet to be definitively {{Jossed}}.here.



** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E24MysteryOnTheFriendshipExpress MMMystery on the Friendship Express]]" includes Gustave [=LeGrand=]. He is [[FrenchCuisineIsHaughty a baker with a thick French accent]] who comes off initially [[FrenchJerk as a jerk]], but then again so do his baking contest opponents. Strangely, [[NonMammalianHair he has a mustache on his beak]].

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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E24MysteryOnTheFriendshipExpress MMMystery on the Friendship Express]]" includes Gustave [=LeGrand=].le Grand. He is [[FrenchCuisineIsHaughty a baker with a thick French accent]] who comes off initially [[FrenchJerk as a jerk]], but then again so do his baking contest opponents. Strangely, [[NonMammalianHair he has a mustache on his beak]].
14th Oct '17 1:35:48 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' has long included the griffon and the hippogriff as part of its many, many monsters. The Hieracosphinx, mentioned in the page image, has been a semi-regular monster which is here depicted as an AlwaysChaoticEvil variant of the [[RiddlingSphinx sphinx]] that can be mistaken for a griffon quite easily, due to having an eagle's head and wings on a lion's body. It's an AlwaysMale race that reproduces by raping the AlwaysFemale gynosphinxes.

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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'':
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has long included the griffon and the hippogriff as part of its many, many monsters. Generally, griffons are intelligent creatures capable of either speaking human languages or at least understanding them, while hippogriffs are animals. Both are used as mounts, although obviously riders have very different relationships with a sapient griffon steed than with a hippogriff mount. Griffons prey on horses, and in some settings this includes a sense of animosity towards hippogriffs as well. Some further variants exist, such as Rimefire griffins with elemental affinity for both [[AnIcePerson ice]] and [[PlayingWithFire fire]].
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The Hieracosphinx, mentioned in the page image, has been a semi-regular monster which is here depicted as an AlwaysChaoticEvil variant of the [[RiddlingSphinx sphinx]] that can be mistaken for a griffon quite easily, due to having an eagle's head and wings on a lion's body. It's an AlwaysMale race that reproduces by raping the AlwaysFemale gynosphinxes.
14th Oct '17 1:27:07 PM Theriocephalus
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* The '''Wingless Gryphon''', also called the '''Minoan Gryphon''', '''Alces''', '''Keythong''' and '''Demigryph''', depicted as either a regular gryphon without wings or an eagle-headed lion. The exact name used tending to depend on context and the precise anatomy of the creature. "Minoan gryphon" tends to be restricted to gryphons in the artwork of the Minoan civilization of Crete. The alces and keythong originate in medieval heraldry, with the keythong being distinguished by spikes or thorns replacing the wings. "Demigryph" is a more recent term and tends to be applied in fantasy fiction to all wingless gryphons, although those depicted with spikes sprouting from their shoulders are still typically called keythongs.

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* The '''Wingless Gryphon''', also called the '''Minoan Gryphon''', '''Alces''', '''Keythong''' and '''Demigryph''', depicted as either a regular gryphon without wings or an eagle-headed lion. The exact name used tending tends to depend on context and the precise anatomy of the creature. "Minoan gryphon" tends to be restricted to gryphons in the artwork of the Minoan civilization of Crete. The alces and keythong originate in medieval heraldry, with the keythong being distinguished by spikes or thorns replacing the wings. "Demigryph" is a more recent term and tends to be applied in fantasy fiction to all wingless gryphons, although those depicted with spikes sprouting from their shoulders are still typically called keythongs.
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