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24th Mar '17 2:14:05 AM MinisterOfSinister
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* ComicBook/{{Raven}} of ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' is half-demon/half-human who must control her emotions lest her demonic side be set free.

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* ComicBook/{{Raven}} of ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' is half-demon/half-human who must control her emotions lest her demonic side be set free. Her ArchnemesisDad Trigon the Terrible is a mighty [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lord]] and BigRedDevil with ExtraEyes and stag horns.
18th Mar '17 3:37:37 PM Dravencour
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** FallenAngels (Christian) or evil {{Djinn}} (Islam) that rebelled against {{Heaven}} and were cast down to {{Hell}}, or the creations of these same beings, created to help lead humanity astray and/or torment them.

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** FallenAngels (Christian) or evil {{Djinn}} [[OurGeniesAreDifferent Jinn]] (Islam) that rebelled against {{Heaven}} and were cast down to {{Hell}}, or the creations of these same beings, created to help lead humanity astray and/or torment them.
18th Mar '17 3:31:20 PM Dravencour
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Demonic names are quite a bit looser than those for Angels, though in the west, they often take inspiration from Hebrew and biblical sources, or the Literature/ArsGoetia.

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Demonic names are quite a bit looser than those for Angels, though in the west, they often take inspiration from Hebrew and Hebrew, biblical or mythological sources, or as well as the Literature/ArsGoetia.
17th Mar '17 3:41:13 PM Dravencour
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*** Can a demon be [[HollywoodExorcism exorcised]] from its host, or is death the only way to get the demon out? Is it possible to BeatTheCurseOutOfThem, or will doing so just end up with the host hurt or worse?

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*** Can a demon be [[HollywoodExorcism exorcised]] from its host, or is death the only way to get the demon out? Is it possible to BeatTheCurseOutOfThem, [[BeatTheCurseOutOfHim beat the curse out of them]], or will doing so trying to do this just end up with the host hurt or worse?
17th Mar '17 3:40:09 PM Dravencour
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*** Can a demon be [[HollywoodExorcism exorcised]] from its host, or is death the only way to get the demon out?

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*** Can a demon be [[HollywoodExorcism exorcised]] from its host, or is death the only way to get the demon out?
out? Is it possible to BeatTheCurseOutOfThem, or will doing so just end up with the host hurt or worse?
17th Mar '17 3:22:19 PM Dravencour
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Demons in western fiction tend, by default, to be of a vaguely Abrahamic nature, most often [[BigRedDevil red or black with horns, hooves, and maybe a tail]]. They're generally found torturing the souls of those that wind up in Hell, making [[DealWithTheDevil deals with mortals in order to claim their souls for the pit]], and are usually on the side of Evil, often opposing Angels.

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Demons in western fiction tend, by default, to be of a vaguely Abrahamic nature, most often [[BigRedDevil red or black with horns, hooves, and maybe a tail]]. They're generally found torturing the souls of those that wind up in Hell, {{Hell}}, making [[DealWithTheDevil deals with mortals in order to claim their souls for the pit]], and are usually on the side of Evil, often opposing Angels.
17th Mar '17 3:21:53 PM Dravencour
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'''What do they look like?'''
* Pretty indistinguishable from Humans, except maybe PointyEars, [[AmazingTechnicolorPopulation unnatural skin colors]], horns and a tail, and/or CuteLittleFangs
* [[DivinelyAppearingDemons Almost indistinguishable]] from [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angels]]
* Kind of like [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]]
* Human men [[ManOfWealthAndTaste dressed in expensive looking black suits]] with a goatee and/or thinly trimmed moustache.
* [[EvilIsSexy Human women scantily clad]] [[HellBentForLeather in black leather]]
* {{Big Red Devil}}s
* {{Living Shadow}}s with GlowingEyesOfDoom
* {{Eldritch Abomination}}s
* [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Anything they want]]
* Different in the case of different individuals.
* Or they may not be able to take physical form on this world, preferring DemonicPossession

'''What is the difference between demons and devils?'''
* None; the two names are synonymous.
* {{Satan}} is ''the'' Devil, demons are his minions.
* A devil is a type of demon.
* Devils are tiny, like goblins or gremlins, whereas demons are big and muscly (or overly elaborate and shocking in appearance).
* Devils are charming while demons are plain ugly as sin (or vice versa).
* [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Demons are Chaotic Evil; devils are Lawful Evil]].
* Demons are monstrous {{Eldritch Abomination}}s; devils are humanoid {{Fallen Angel}}s.
* [[TabletopGame/{{Rifts}} No real difference, they just each have their own hellish planes of existence]].
* [[Literature/MythAdventures Demons are interdimensional travellers, Devils (or rather, Deveels) are Cutthroat Merchants]].
* [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Devil is a title demons and other nasty things can earn if they are strong enough]].
* Devils are immortal, demons can be killed.
* Whatever the hell the author wants it to be, and he may as well drop daemons in there just for the Hell of it.

'''What are your demons' common powers?'''
* [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Shapeshifting]]
* [[DemonicPossession Possession]]
* [[MoreThanMindControl Temptation]]
* {{P|layingWithFire}}yrokinesis
** {{Hellfire}}
* [[EmotionEater Feeding off negative emotions]]
* [[SoulEating Eating people's souls]]
* [[FightingAShadow Avatar Projection]]
* Unlimited, since they can do or give you [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor anything you want]]... [[DealWithTheDevil in exchange for your soul]]
* Or just plain screwing with reality as we know it (generally the way of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s)

'''What are your demons' common weaknesses?'''
* [[SeekingSanctuary Cannot enter a Church]]
* A cross or [[HolyBurnsEvil holy water]]
* ThePowerOfLove (and or ThePowerOfFriendship)
* [[WeakenedByTheLight Light]]
* Faith
* Scorn
* ExactWords
* Magical or holy weapons
* Good old fashioned steel or firepower
* Closing the portal from whence they came upon this world (through magical means or otherwise)
** Could be immortal and thus invulnerable when used in conjunction with this trope (or not)
* [[HollywoodExorcism Exorcism]] by a priest or other holy individual
* A pentagram, used to ward off or contain demons and evil spirits
* An upside down incantation bowl (otherwise know as a devil trap)
* [[WeaksauceWeakness A line of salt, chalk or other powdered substance]]

'''Miscellaneous'''
* Are they naturally evil? [[AscendedDemon Can they turn good]]?
* What are their motives?
* Can [[DemonOfHumanOrigin humans become demons]]?
* Can they truly be killed, or does killing them merely [[FightingAShadow send them back to Hell or their home dimension]]?
* And what about all those half-demon/{{Half Human Hybrid}}s?

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\n* '''What do they look like?'''
* ** Pretty indistinguishable from Humans, except maybe PointyEars, [[AmazingTechnicolorPopulation unnatural skin colors]], horns and a tail, and/or CuteLittleFangs
* ** [[DivinelyAppearingDemons Almost indistinguishable]] from [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angels]]
* ** Kind of like [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]]
* ** Human men [[ManOfWealthAndTaste dressed in expensive looking black suits]] with a goatee and/or thinly trimmed moustache.
* ** [[EvilIsSexy Human women scantily clad]] [[HellBentForLeather in black leather]]
* ** {{Big Red Devil}}s
* ** {{Living Shadow}}s with GlowingEyesOfDoom
* ** {{Eldritch Abomination}}s
* ** [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Anything they want]]
* ** Different in the case of different individuals.
* ** Or they may not be able to take physical form on this world, preferring DemonicPossession

* '''What is the difference between demons and devils?'''
* ** None; the two names are synonymous.
* ** {{Satan}} is ''the'' Devil, demons are his minions.
* ** A devil is a type of demon.
* ** Devils are tiny, like goblins or gremlins, whereas demons are big and muscly (or overly elaborate and shocking in appearance).
* ** Devils are charming while demons are plain ugly as sin (or vice versa).
* ** [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Demons are Chaotic Evil; devils are Lawful Evil]].
* ** Demons are monstrous {{Eldritch Abomination}}s; devils are humanoid {{Fallen Angel}}s.
* ** [[TabletopGame/{{Rifts}} No real difference, they just each have their own hellish planes of existence]].
* ** [[Literature/MythAdventures Demons are interdimensional travellers, Devils (or rather, Deveels) are Cutthroat Merchants]].
* ** [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Devil is a title demons and other nasty things can earn if they are strong enough]].
* ** Devils are immortal, demons can be killed.
* ** Whatever the hell the author wants it to be, and he may as well drop daemons in there just for the Hell of it.

* '''What are your demons' common powers?'''
* ** [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Shapeshifting]]
* ** [[DemonicPossession Possession]]
* ** [[MoreThanMindControl Temptation]]
* ** {{P|layingWithFire}}yrokinesis
** *** {{Hellfire}}
* ** [[EmotionEater Feeding off negative emotions]]
* ** [[SoulEating Eating people's souls]]
* ** [[FightingAShadow Avatar Projection]]
* ** Unlimited, since they can do or give you [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor anything you want]]... [[DealWithTheDevil in exchange for your soul]]
* ** Or just plain screwing with reality as we know it (generally the way of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s)

* '''What are your demons' common weaknesses?'''
* ** [[SeekingSanctuary Cannot enter a Church]]
* ** A cross or [[HolyBurnsEvil holy water]]
* ** ThePowerOfLove (and or ThePowerOfFriendship)
* ** [[WeakenedByTheLight Light]]
* ** Faith
* ** Scorn
* ** ExactWords
* ** Magical or holy weapons
* ** Good old fashioned steel or firepower
* ** Closing the portal from whence they came upon this world (through magical means or otherwise)
** *** Could be immortal and thus invulnerable when used in conjunction with this trope (or not)
* ** [[HollywoodExorcism Exorcism]] by a priest or other holy individual
* ** A pentagram, used to ward off or contain demons and evil spirits
* ** An upside down incantation bowl (otherwise know as a devil trap)
* ** [[WeaksauceWeakness A line of salt, chalk or other powdered substance]]

* '''Miscellaneous'''
* ** Are they naturally evil? [[AscendedDemon Can they turn good]]?
* ** What are their motives?
* ** Can [[DemonOfHumanOrigin humans become demons]]?
* ** Can they truly be killed, or does killing them merely [[FightingAShadow send them back to Hell or their home dimension]]?
* ** And what about all those half-demon/{{Half Human Hybrid}}s?
17th Mar '17 3:19:41 PM Dravencour
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'''Demon'''
# An evil [[OurSpiritsAreDifferent spirit]] or supernatural being (generic)
** ''synonyms'': devil, fiend
# {{Fallen Angel}}s who rebelled against {{God}} (Christian)
** ...or, the disembodied spirits of formerly-living half-[[OurAngelsAreDifferent Angel]]/HalfHumanHybrids (called "{{Nephilim}}", [[LostInTranslation meaning]] "Fallen Ones" and "Marvelous Ones")
** ...creations of Fallen Angels (Christian again) or Evil Jinn (Islam) created to help lead humanity astray and or torment them [[note]]Technically Nephilim are their "[[DoubleEntendre creations]]" so this and the above are not mutually exclusive[[/note]]
# a lesser or inferior god or spirit (Greek); see Obake[=/=]{{Youkai}}, OurFairiesAreDifferent, OurGeniesAreDifferent
# [[BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil a damaging spirit, as opposed to a creating or defending spirit]] (Egyptian)
# a d'''a'''emon; ask Creator/{{Aristotle}} for the details; see GoodAngelBadAngel, SpiritAdvisor

'''Where do your demons live?'''
* In {{Hell}} (especially of the [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Fire and Brimstone variety]])
* In a more generic Underworld BeneathTheEarth, such as the Abyss
* Another plane of existence altogether
* Anywhere they want

'''Who do your demons work for?'''
* {{Satan}} or perhaps some other religious devil-figure.
** Fallen angels or wicked jinn in general
* A god, especially a {{god of evil}} like [[Myth/EgyptianMythology Apep]].
* Any BigBad who knows the incantation to summon and control them, or even the good guys
* Themselves
* [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Even bigger and badder demons]] (e.g. Demon Princes in ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'')
* [[EldritchAbomination An incomprehensible unknown force]] (the horror!)

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'''Demon'''
# An
Demons. Devils. Fiends. They're all over the place in storyland, but no two authors portray them in exactly the same way.

Demons in western fiction tend, by default, to be of a vaguely Abrahamic nature, most often [[BigRedDevil red or black with horns, hooves, and maybe a tail]]. They're generally found torturing the souls of those that wind up in Hell, making [[DealWithTheDevil deals with mortals in order to claim their souls for the pit]], and are usually on the side of Evil, often opposing Angels.

Demonic names are quite a bit looser than those for Angels, though in the west, they often take inspiration from Hebrew and biblical sources, or the Literature/ArsGoetia.

The prospective demon has many options available for customization:

* '''What ''are'' demons, exactly?'''
** The most generic definition would be any
evil [[OurSpiritsAreDifferent spirit]] or injurious spirit or supernatural being (generic)
being. {{Vampire}}s and {{Werewol|f}}ves are often lumped in with this definition, as are TheFairFolk at their worst and even [[DragonsAreDemonic Dragons]]. Obake and {{Youkai}} from Japanese folklore, as well as evil {{Djinn}} from Arabic/Islamic folklore, are also prime candidates.
** ''synonyms'': devil, fiend
# {{Fallen Angel}}s
Monsters or other beings native to {{Hell}} or some other Underworld, as opposed to the souls of the dead who wind up there.
** FallenAngels (Christian) or evil {{Djinn}} (Islam) that
rebelled against {{God}} (Christian)
** ...or,
{{Heaven}} and were cast down to {{Hell}}, or the creations of these same beings, created to help lead humanity astray and/or torment them.
** The
disembodied spirits of formerly-living half-[[OurAngelsAreDifferent Angel]]/HalfHumanHybrids (called "{{Nephilim}}", [[LostInTranslation meaning]] "Fallen Ones" {{Nephilim}} (meaning Fallen Ones or Marvelous Ones), HalfHumanHybrids of angels and "Marvelous Ones")
** ...
humans.
** The
creations of Fallen Angels (Christian again) or Evil Jinn (Islam) created to help lead humanity astray and or torment them [[note]]Technically Nephilim are their "[[DoubleEntendre creations]]" so this and the above are a [[JerkassGods malevolent god]], if not mutually exclusive[[/note]]
# a lesser or inferior god or spirit (Greek); see Obake[=/=]{{Youkai}}, OurFairiesAreDifferent, OurGeniesAreDifferent
# [[BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil a damaging spirit, as opposed to a creating or defending spirit]] (Egyptian)
# a d'''a'''emon; ask Creator/{{Aristotle}} for the details; see GoodAngelBadAngel, SpiritAdvisor

'''Where do your demons live?'''
* In {{Hell}} (especially of the [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Fire and Brimstone variety]])
* In a more generic Underworld BeneathTheEarth, such as the Abyss
* Another
an outright GodOfEvil.
** {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that come from some other
plane of existence altogether
entirely.

* Anywhere '''Are they want

'''Who do your
physical or spiritual?''' - Physical demons are quite common in any work for?'''
* {{Satan}}
that features TheLegionsOfHell invading the mortal realm, and make it quite easier for a prospective {{Demon Slay|ing}}er to either slay them or perhaps some send them back to Hell or their native realm. It is also quite common in ParanormalRomance and in any work where people make a DealWithTheDevil. Spiritual demons, on the other religious devil-figure.
hand, lend themselves more toward works of a supernatural or horror bent, engaging in DemonicPossession.
** Fallen angels or wicked jinn in general
* A god, especially a {{god of evil}} like [[Myth/EgyptianMythology Apep]].
* Any BigBad who knows
If you decide to go the incantation possession route, you also have to summon determine how this possession manifests:
*** Do they just take over the bodies of their hosts, or do they [[TransformationOfThePossessed make a few changes to said body along the way?]]
*** What makes a human or other creature vulnerable to possession,
and control them, how can someone be protected against this?
*** Can possession be resisted given a sufficiently strong will,
or even is there NoSavingThrow? Lesser demons are more apt to be resistable, while greater demons may be able to take anyone over no matter how powerful they are.
*** Can a demon possess dead creatures or inanimate objects, and if so, what happens to them?
*** Is a demon limited to just one body at a time, or can it possess more than one?
*** Can a demon stay in someone's body indefinitely, or is there a tendency to [[PossessionBurnout burn out
the good guys
* Themselves
* [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Even bigger
bodies they use?]]
*** Can a demon BodySurf or otherwise voluntarily leave the body of its host, or does something have to happen before they can leave?
*** Do possessed people have [[AlternateIdentityAmnesia no memory of what happened]] when the demon was in control, or [[AndIMustScream can they see
and badder demons]] (e.g. Demon Princes in ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'')
* [[EldritchAbomination An incomprehensible unknown force]] (the horror!)
hear everything?]]
*** Can a demon be [[HollywoodExorcism exorcised]] from its host, or is death the only way to get the demon out?

12th Mar '17 4:59:09 PM nombretomado
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* WordOfGod says that the ''TabletopGame/{{Mortasheen}}'' equivalent to demons are The Devilbirds, birds that have been psychically charged with certain emotions and must [[EmotionEater eat said emotions for sustenance]], tending to do it in the most horrifying ways possible.


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* WordOfGod says that the ''WebOriginal/{{Mortasheen}}'' equivalent to demons are The Devilbirds, birds that have been psychically charged with certain emotions and must [[EmotionEater eat said emotions for sustenance]], tending to do it in the most horrifying ways possible.
4th Mar '17 7:41:57 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* A god, especially a {{god of evil}} like Apep.

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* A god, especially a {{god of evil}} like Apep.[[Myth/EgyptianMythology Apep]].
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