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16th Aug '16 8:03:17 AM kundoo
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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', Lord Renly and Ser Loras' relationship is theoretically a [[SecretRelationship secret]] given that the setting is based on the middle ages where [[DeliberateValuesDissonance homosexuality wasn't exactly approved of]], but not only does nearly the whole court know about it, even a couple of random Lannister soldiers halfway across Westeros from them were joking about it in one episode. Considering that Margaery is still a virgin three weeks after marrying Renly and that Loras is quite commonly seen entering his tent at nighttime, they really shouldn't have been surprised. This continues even after [[spoiler: Renly's death]]. The Tyrell's a very powerful family that can easily shifts the balance of power in the kingdom so anyone with any political savvy avoids discussing Loras Tyrell's sexual preferences. Joffrey makes a massive political faux pas when he publicly brings up Renly's homesexuality. Everyone knows about it but only someone as thoughtless as Joffrey would bring it up in the presence of the Tyrells.

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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', Lord Renly and Ser Loras' relationship is theoretically a [[SecretRelationship secret]] given that the setting is based on the middle ages where [[DeliberateValuesDissonance homosexuality wasn't exactly approved of]], but not only does nearly the whole court know about it, even a couple of random Lannister soldiers halfway across Westeros from them were joking about it in one episode. Considering that Margaery is still a virgin three weeks after marrying Renly and that Loras is quite commonly seen entering his tent at nighttime, they really shouldn't have been surprised. This continues even after [[spoiler: Renly's death]]. The Tyrell's a very powerful family that can easily shifts the balance of power in the kingdom so anyone with any political savvy avoids discussing Loras Tyrell's sexual preferences. Joffrey makes a massive political faux pas when he publicly brings up Renly's homesexuality.homosexuality. Everyone knows about it but only someone as thoughtless as Joffrey would bring it up in the presence of the Tyrells.
10th Aug '16 9:31:40 PM PaulA
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** This was subverted by actor Richard Chamberlain when he was outed by ''Out Magazine'' in the 1980s. At the time, the magazine was operating under the policy that no homosexual had the right to stay in the closet, for the good of the gay community, and were basing a lot of their sales on "shocking" outings of closeted gay celebrities. By the time they got around to Chamberlain, ''Out'' was getting pretty arrogant about it. This backfired on them when they "exposed" Chamberlain (who had just come off the astoundingly successful ''[[Literature/AsianSaga Shogun]]'' mini-series) as gay. Chamberlain responded that he never hid his homosexuality, confirmed that everyone he ever worked with knew about it, and didn't see why the magazine was making such a big deal. ''Out's'' sales plummeted.

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** This was subverted by actor Richard Chamberlain when he was outed by ''Out Magazine'' in the 1980s. At the time, the magazine was operating under the policy that no homosexual had the right to stay in the closet, for the good of the gay community, and were basing a lot of their sales on "shocking" outings of closeted gay celebrities. By the time they got around to Chamberlain, ''Out'' was getting pretty arrogant about it. This backfired on them when they "exposed" Chamberlain (who had just come off the astoundingly successful ''[[Literature/AsianSaga Shogun]]'' ''Literature/{{Shogun}}'' mini-series) as gay. Chamberlain responded that he never hid his homosexuality, confirmed that everyone he ever worked with knew about it, and didn't see why the magazine was making such a big deal. ''Out's'' sales plummeted.
2nd Aug '16 8:47:50 AM Stealth
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* PlayedForComedy in the ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' universe. The teams may ''think'' that they're being all sneaky and secretive in their dealings, but they often get spectators in the form of locals who live near their 'secret' bases, who just want to watch two teams of idiots blow each other up.
28th Jul '16 2:08:47 PM margdean56
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* In 2014, we all learned the shocking truth about the NSA: they spy on people. Electronically! Lots of people had a suspicion or already knew that they were being spied by the NSA and other entities (from various nations in the world). The part people ''didn't'' knew was the extent of the various programs of surveillance and data storage, which was (and is) relatively massive.

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* In 2014, we all learned the shocking truth about the NSA: they spy on people. Electronically! Lots of people had a suspicion or already knew that they were being spied by the NSA and other entities (from various nations in the world). The part people ''didn't'' knew know was the extent of the various programs of surveillance and data storage, which was (and is) relatively massive.



* A lot of cycling transfers are this. The UCI rules state that a rider transffering from one [=ProTeam=] (World Tour) to another team is not allowed to conclude (i.e. sign) a contract before the 1st of August, and the rider and new team are not allowed to talk about it in the media, while the old team can state that the rider will leave after the season. This leads to high profile transfers being open secrets. Everyone knows that rider A transfers to team X (e.g. Landa to Sky for the 2016 season), but it's not officially known before the late stages of the season.

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* A lot of cycling transfers are this. The UCI rules state that a rider transffering transferring from one [=ProTeam=] (World Tour) to another team is not allowed to conclude (i.e. sign) a contract before the 1st of August, and the rider and new team are not allowed to talk about it in the media, while the old team can state that the rider will leave after the season. This leads to high profile transfers being open secrets. Everyone knows that rider A transfers to team X (e.g. Landa to Sky for the 2016 season), but it's not officially known before the late stages of the season.



* Rituals of [[BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats Freemasons]]. Masonic lodges started to operate openly 1717 and the first masonic expose was published 1724. Conspiracy nuts and just plain curious love to publish (and read) the so called "secrets", but members still refuse to discuss them with outsiders because they have promised not to and masons consider themselves as [[IGaveMyWord man of their word]]. Also just reading the ritual instead of participating in it cannot give proper context.

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* Rituals of [[BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats Freemasons]]. Masonic lodges started to operate openly in 1717 and the first masonic expose exposé was published in 1724. Conspiracy nuts and the just plain curious love to publish (and read) the so called "secrets", but members still refuse to discuss them with outsiders because they have promised not to and masons consider themselves as [[IGaveMyWord man men of their word]]. Also just reading the ritual instead of participating in it cannot give proper context.
28th Jul '16 1:57:26 PM margdean56
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* Israel's strategy is not unique. Pakistan had something similar. From the time [[UsefulNotes/PakAttack Pakistan became a nuclear power]] [[note]] depending on how you describe nuclear capability, Pakistan had the ability to detonate a nuclear weapon in the late 1970's, a working deliverable bomb design in the early 1980's and a miniaturised weapons sometime later [[/note]] till the first official [[note]] it has now emerged that at least some tests in China in the late 1980's and early 1990's were actually Pakistani tests [[/note]] test in 1998,Pakistan officially denied it had a nuclear weapon. Those strange, heavily guarded magazines which mysteriously appeared outside major bases and which looked exactly like magazines which have no use but to house nukes? Oh just some chicken farmers silo. The tenders given to local companies for the manufacture special fuzes which was only were used on warheads? Please, it's a research project.And that's not a Plutonium processing plant, it's a training center (which it actually also was). The Pakistani strategy worked like a charm. As long as Pakistan did not wave its capability openly, the US could continue to support it. Its very existence meant that New Delhi and Moscow would not try anything that Pakistan would not like. In 1998, the Indians tested and, well, suddenly Pakistan's strategy no longer was viable.

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* Israel's strategy is not unique. Pakistan had something similar. From the time [[UsefulNotes/PakAttack Pakistan became a nuclear power]] [[note]] depending on how you describe nuclear capability, Pakistan had the ability to detonate a nuclear weapon in the late 1970's, 1970s, a working deliverable bomb design in the early 1980's 1980s and a miniaturised weapons sometime later [[/note]] till the first official [[note]] it has now emerged that at least some tests in China in the late 1980's 1980s and early 1990's 1990s were actually Pakistani tests [[/note]] test in 1998,Pakistan 1998, Pakistan officially denied it had a nuclear weapon. Those strange, heavily guarded magazines which mysteriously appeared outside major bases and which looked exactly like magazines which have no use but to house nukes? Oh Oh, just some chicken farmers farmer's silo. The tenders given to local companies for the manufacture of special fuzes fuses which was were only were used on warheads? Please, it's a research project.project. And that's not a Plutonium plutonium processing plant, it's a training center (which it actually also was). The Pakistani strategy worked like a charm. As long as Pakistan did not wave its capability openly, the US could continue to support it. Its very existence meant that New Delhi and Moscow would not try anything that Pakistan would not like. In 1998, the Indians tested and, well, suddenly Pakistan's strategy no longer was viable.



** The base's existence was still considered a secret until it was ''sued'' over deaths from improper disposal of toxic waste, at which point [[ImplausibleDeniability the jig was basically up.]] Though that lawsuit was thrown out by executive order to prevent any details about Groom Lake appearing in court. Though this did lead to the CIA declassifying a number of documents relating to Area 51's history in 2013, meaning that the US Government has ''finally'' officially acknowledged that the base exists.
** Area 51 in Nevada has always [[LampshadeHanging hung its own lampshade]]. It's on Google Earth, for crying out loud. [[RefugeInAudacity Official government policy]] before the mid-90s was to refuse to acknowledge in any way that the [[BlatantLies massive restricted area (with barb-wire fences and armed soldiers patrolling it)]] actually contained one damned thing. It was only revealed when the base was ''sued'' for causing [[NightmareFuel a horrifying and almost completely unknown disease]] in several workers by ''[[NoOSHACompliance burning toxic waste on site]]'' and refusing to give their doctors information about the unidentified substance even though it might have saved their lives. A story that almost disappeared behind claims of alien saucers.

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** The base's existence was still considered a secret until it was ''sued'' over deaths from improper disposal of toxic waste, at which point [[ImplausibleDeniability the jig was basically up.]] Though that lawsuit was thrown out by executive order to prevent any details about Groom Lake appearing in court. Though this This did lead to the CIA declassifying a number of documents relating to Area 51's history in 2013, meaning that the US Government has ''finally'' officially acknowledged that the base exists.
** Area 51 in Nevada has always [[LampshadeHanging hung its own lampshade]]. It's on Google Earth, for crying out loud. [[RefugeInAudacity Official government policy]] before the mid-90s was to refuse to acknowledge in any way that the [[BlatantLies massive restricted area (with barb-wire barbed-wire fences and armed soldiers patrolling it)]] actually contained one damned thing. It was only revealed when the base was ''sued'' for causing [[NightmareFuel a horrifying and almost completely unknown disease]] in several workers by ''[[NoOSHACompliance burning toxic waste on site]]'' and refusing to give their doctors information about the unidentified substance even though it might have saved their lives. A story that almost disappeared behind claims of alien saucers.



* One of the amusing effects, such as that of the existence of Groom Lake, is that if information is classified, people covered by security laws or similar confidentiality rules, are not allowed to talk about it until it's specifically declassified, even if everyone else already knows about the information.

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* One of the amusing effects, such as that of the existence of Groom Lake, is that if information is classified, people covered by security laws or similar confidentiality rules, rules are not allowed to talk about it until it's specifically declassified, even if everyone else already knows about the information.



* In-N-Out is far from the only place that has a 'secret' menu or secret items. Many places have some sort of product that isn't on the menu but can still be made. Probably the most well known is the [=Mc10:35=], a [=McDonalds=] product that combines the Egg [=McMuffin=] and the [=McDouble=], only available in the short time period when breakfast is ending and lunch is beginning. Do note, however, that not every store of a given fast food or cafe chain will be aware of so-called secret menus and attempting to order a "secret menu" item at your local Starbucks is something of a barista BerserkButton--you're often advised to simply list the modifications that make up the item.

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* In-N-Out is far from the only place that has a 'secret' menu or secret items. Many places have some sort of product that isn't on the menu but can still be made. Probably the most well known is the [=Mc10:35=], a [=McDonalds=] product that combines the Egg [=McMuffin=] and the [=McDouble=], only available in the short time period when breakfast is ending and lunch is beginning. Do note, however, that not every store of a given fast food or cafe café chain will be aware of so-called secret menus and attempting to order a "secret menu" item at your local Starbucks is something of a barista BerserkButton--you're often advised to simply list the modifications that make up the item.
28th Jul '16 1:45:15 PM margdean56
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28th Jul '16 10:11:31 AM PatPayne
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* The ChurchOfHappyology has several of these, but the most notable is the OT-3 material (the notorious "Xenu story"[[note]] It holds that a good deal of contemporary human suffering and unconscious human behavior is caused by the lingering spirits of humans murdered by Xenu, a malevolent galactic emperor who attacked Earth with hydrogen bombs in the distant past.[[/note]]). Ask any Happyologist, and they will claim never to have heard of the story in question. Officially, [[MysteryCult only long-time Church members can have it "revealed" to them]] after paying for a certain number of auditing sessions, and the Church's public relations department refrains from mentioning or acknowledging it in any statements to the general public about their doctrine and practices. This is despite the fact that the Church has discussed it in court, their current leader, David Miscavige, alluded to it in an interview on Nightline, recordings exist on Website/YouTube of Creator/LRonHubbard discussing it, countless books and television programs have discussed it without libel action being taken and literally every ex-Happyologist who reached OT-3 confirms it. So much has already been leaked to the public and spread by word of mouth that it's now the ''only'' thing that many people know about the religion.

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* The ChurchOfHappyology has several of these, but the most notable is the OT-3 material (the notorious "Xenu story"[[note]] It holds that a good deal of contemporary human suffering and unconscious human behavior is caused by the lingering spirits of humans murdered by Xenu, a malevolent galactic emperor who attacked Earth with hydrogen bombs in the distant past. Amazingly, this is the truncated and relatively sane version. The full version of OT3, as recounted by ''SouthPark'' is MindScrew mixed with SoBadItsGood and BigLippedAlligatorMoment.[[/note]]). Ask any Happyologist, and they will claim never to have heard of the story in question. Officially, [[MysteryCult only long-time Church members can have it "revealed" to them]] after paying for a certain number of auditing sessions, and the Church's public relations department refrains from mentioning or acknowledging it in any statements to the general public about their doctrine and practices. This is despite the fact that the Church has discussed it in court, their current leader, David Miscavige, alluded to it in an interview on Nightline, recordings exist on Website/YouTube of Creator/LRonHubbard discussing it, countless books and television programs have discussed it without libel action being taken and literally every ex-Happyologist who reached OT-3 confirms it. So much has already been leaked to the public and spread by word of mouth that it's now the ''only'' thing that many people know about the religion.
24th Jul '16 3:22:03 PM JamesAustin
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* The ChurchOfHappyology has several of these, but the most notable is the OT-3 material (the notorious "Xenu story"[[note]] It holds that a good deal of contemporary human suffering and unconscious human behavior is caused by the lingering spirits of humans murdered by Xenu, a malevolent galactic emperor who attacked Earth with hydrogen bombs in the distant past.[[/note]]). Ask any Happyologist, and they will claim never to have heard of the story in question. Officially, [[MysteryCult only long-time Church members can have it "revealed" to them]] after paying for a certain number of auditing sessions, and the Church's public relations department refrains from mentioning or acknowledging it in any statements to the general public about their doctrine and practices. This is despite the fact that the Church has discussed it in court, their current leader, David Miscavige, alluded to it in an interview on Nightline, recordings exist on Youtube of LRonHubbard discussing it, countless books and television programs have discussed it without libel action being taken and literally every ex-Happyologist who reached OT-3 confirms it. So much has already been leaked to the public and spread by word of mouth that it's now the ''only'' thing that many people know about the religion.

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* The ChurchOfHappyology has several of these, but the most notable is the OT-3 material (the notorious "Xenu story"[[note]] It holds that a good deal of contemporary human suffering and unconscious human behavior is caused by the lingering spirits of humans murdered by Xenu, a malevolent galactic emperor who attacked Earth with hydrogen bombs in the distant past.[[/note]]). Ask any Happyologist, and they will claim never to have heard of the story in question. Officially, [[MysteryCult only long-time Church members can have it "revealed" to them]] after paying for a certain number of auditing sessions, and the Church's public relations department refrains from mentioning or acknowledging it in any statements to the general public about their doctrine and practices. This is despite the fact that the Church has discussed it in court, their current leader, David Miscavige, alluded to it in an interview on Nightline, recordings exist on Youtube Website/YouTube of LRonHubbard Creator/LRonHubbard discussing it, countless books and television programs have discussed it without libel action being taken and literally every ex-Happyologist who reached OT-3 confirms it. So much has already been leaked to the public and spread by word of mouth that it's now the ''only'' thing that many people know about the religion.
24th Jul '16 1:06:14 PM DaibhidC
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* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', when Agatha learns that a royal wedding between two secret [[UndergroundCity underground kingdoms]] has brought diplomats from all across Europa, she understandably questions in what sense these are "secret" underground kingdoms. Wooster explains that a large number of people simply [[ArbitrarySkepticism refuse to believe they exist]].
14th Jul '16 5:39:05 AM Creidiki
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* Rituals of [[BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats Freemasons]]. Masonic lodges started to operate openly 1717 and the first masonic expose was published 1724. Conspiracy nuts and just plain curious love to publish (and read) the so called "secrets", but members still refuse to discuss them with outsiders because they have promised not to and masons consider themselves as [[IGaveMyWord man of their word]]. Also just reading the ritual instead of participating in it cannot give proper context.
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